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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2011, Downing 19!

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chenwfng
post Jun 23 2011, 04:09 PM

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Eh, I see it says RM250 in a single receipt not RM50 la...
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post Jun 23 2011, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 23 2011, 11:38 AM)
If Hulk goes anywhere now, it will be to Chelsea.

Thing is not about signing players purely on reputation but players who will fit into King Kenny's system. You mentioned Hulk and Cavani but why? Just because they had a good season? I haven't seen them play much so I can't comment. Dalglish had made good decisions when he was manager last and I trust his instincts. Downing may not be world class (though Mozzie may disagree), but he is adept to the Premiership and he is left footed. We don't have many of those around. With foreign players, it's always a gamble. Will they be able to adapt to the physical nature of the league? Will the get homesick? Will their families be able to settle in to life in England, especially Liverpool which is the Malaysian equivalent of say... Johor? Mascherano's wife anyone? Dalglish is making what I consider to be safe signings, mostly - players who he knows can or have already adapted.
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In my opinion, Hulk & Cavani can easily adapt to Kenny's pass and move system. Both can go deep to get the ball, both have pace (like Downing), even Hulk can play both wings and as striker, both are physically strong, good finisher and decisive. Not just because they had a good season and help their respective club achieve Champions League football, won cup final, etc but i think they're fit on what our owner look for, young highly rated footballer ( i know both are not Brits tho ). homesick? i suppose not.. but maybe yes.. they know themselves.. with Suarez on our side, surely Cavani can adapt to Liverpool environment. Same goes to Hulk, with Lucas and Aurelio will make him feel at home. Mascherano is history. Well, Kenny surely know whats best for the team..

well, just my opinion.. cool2.gif

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QUOTE(chenwfng @ Jun 23 2011, 04:09 PM)
Eh, I see it says RM250 in a single receipt not RM50 la...
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RM250 is for contest to score a chance to win match ticket and training passes.

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QUOTE(account_manager @ Jun 23 2011, 04:09 PM)
In my opinion, Hulk & Cavani can easily adapt to Kenny's pass and move system. Both can go deep to get the ball, both have pace (like Downing), even Hulk can play both wings and as striker, both are physically strong and decisive. Not just because they had a good season and help their respective club achieve Champions League football, won cup final, etc but i think they're fit on what our owner look for, young highly rated footballer ( i know both are not Brits tho ). homesick? i suppose not.. but maybe yes.. they know themselves.. with Suarez on our side, surely Cavani can adapt to Liverpool environment. Same goes to Hulk, with Lucas and Aurelio will make him feel at home. Mascherano is history. Well, Kenny surely know whats best for the team..

well, just my opinion..  cool2.gif
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Cool. I just haven't seen enough of them to know if they'll be a hit in the Premiership but you need to take risks sometimes. Thing about signing forwards now is that we already have Carrol and Suarez in our books. N'Gog may or may not leave but you get the feeling that a world class forward may not be content in a rotation. Not saying that either Hulk or Cavani are world class but I'm thinking whoever it is, expectations need to be managed. We don't need a bunch of primadonas demanding for first team football which is why I keep saying that a player's attitude is to be given as much consideration as his ability. Samuel Eto for example is world class but his attitude stinks.

In terms of environment I've always wondered how players from Spain settled. From a country boasting beautiful beaches filled with lovely women working on their tans, the warm sun and delightful cuisine to the gloomy overcast sky above Albert Dock. Big difference here in itself. Also let's not forget the high income tax in England either. If someone were to trade all that for Liverpool, they must really love Liverpool.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 23 2011, 04:26 PM)
Cool. I just haven't seen enough of them to know if they'll be a hit in the Premiership but you need to take risks sometimes. Thing about signing forwards now is that we already have Carrol and Suarez in our books. N'Gog may or may not leave but you get the feeling that a world class forward may not be content in a rotation. Not saying that either Hulk or Cavani are world class but I'm thinking whoever it is, expectations need to be managed. We don't need a bunch of primadonas demanding for first team football which is why I keep saying that a player's attitude is to be given as much consideration as his ability. Samuel Eto for example is world class but his attitude stinks.

In terms of environment I've always wondered how players from Spain settled. From a country boasting beautiful beaches filled with lovely women working on their tans, the warm sun and delightful cuisine to the gloomy overcast sky above Albert Dock. Big difference here in itself. Also let's not forget the high income tax in England either. If someone were to trade all that for Liverpool, they must really love Liverpool.
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they must really love Liverpool

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KD emphasizes on team unity & togetherness and it makes sense that he prefers British based players. If players are feeling comfortable and able to relate to each other, that will certainly helps when they're playing. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 23 2011, 04:02 PM)
Like some folk here, I've been privileged enough to have witnessed the start of Gerrard's career and hopefully it's end here at LFC. Don't take the discussion out of context here. No one is suggesting flogging him off. The question is what do we do if a large offer comes in? Do we issue a "hands-off" response or do we consider it? Do we think about the number of younger, quality players we can bring to the club? I want Gerrard to stay as much as the next guy but is anyone really indispensable these days? Your response is no doubt out of sentiment but in the modern football world, can we base decisions purely on sentiment? When the mancs sold out to the yanks, did we not say they were selling their souls? Well what are we doing now? Fact of the matter is that we've not made as much money as we could have because we wanted to 'protect' the club and keep it within the 'family' for as long as we could. My point is that for the long term interest of the club, we cannot make decisions based purely on sentiment when the club is now being run like a business. You reckon that John Henry will base his decisions purely on sentiment?

I'd love for Stevie to end his career here but to completely ignore offers is to me, being naive.

Before I go on, first let me reiterate that I love Stevie as much as the next guy but that doesn't mean he is untouchable. Him sulking because he was surrounded by "mediocrity" is not an excuse, not when you are club captain and represent what the club stands for. You'll Never Walk Alone? What does this mean in this context? It means to me that even if other players are not up to the task, it is your duty to inspire them and to raise their game, not turn around wishing you had better team mates. Yes, it's frustrating, heck I'd be frustrated but I'm not captain of Liverpool Football Club am I? A captain's job isn't just to bark instructions off the pitch, it's to keep the team together off it. Maybe my expectations are high but this is LFC we're talking about. He did not sign for Chelsea in the end but one cannot ignore that as much as his decision to stay was due to his love for LFC, the death threats to him and his family did contribute somewhat.

Having said all that, I still hold Stevie in high regard. I just don't think he's flawless.
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I dont think i was taking it out of context, maybe it sounded that way but it wasnt, ok for the sake of discussion, is there really going to be large offer coming in for Gerrard? 3-4 years ago yes no doubt there would have been but now? We who support the club know his true value of what he is and brings but what value does price wise will other club will see in him?

I agree that we have youngsters and lots of players coming in now and the club stands in a better stead compared to previously but one should also shouldnt not forget what Gerrard has done before all this took place, yes im clouded by sentiments, sentiments for a player that has given his all for the club and thats what we need and look for in a player these days dont we? and FSG are just starting to build something special at the club, why risk the backlash of the fans by selling the club's best player when he could still on his day win a game? apart from club sentiments aside, logically speaking players these days look more towards playing with world class players compared to the badge. Suarez came because he wanted to play with Torres and Gerrard, Henderson because of Gerrard, apart from the club you'd have to admit that a player who plays at the club does also hold attraction. We Liverpool fans know how steep we are in tradition but does the players?

Im not contradicting but i agree no one is bigger than the club, John Henry runs this club like a business wouldnt any question his financial acumen if he decides to sell of of the main attractions at the club, costing millions in sales of jersey's and potential pulling power for the players to come and play at the club?

As for being the club captain, I think you would agree Gerrard more than did his fair share of representing the club, yes he is not flawless and had his tiffs with the law, you mentioned his decision to stay with LFC the could be contributed from the death threats to his family well maybe there could have been other factors as well too right? I never had a chance to see Kenny Dalglish, Ian Rush during their hey days at the club, and Gerrard I consider is the closest thing to them since then. I'm just being appreciative of what he has brought to the club, thats all

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It's sad to see more forumers seems to go along the less passionate/ supportive view on the Gerrard discussions. First there was bits of suggestion of stripping his captaincy, then there were pieces of acceptance in selling him to other clubs. Where's the passion mate?


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I feel disgusted too when people are treating Gerrard like he's an ageing player in some football manager games.
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QUOTE(weichieh007 @ Jun 23 2011, 05:25 PM)
It's sad to see more forumers seems to go along the less passionate/ supportive view on the Gerrard discussions. First there was bits of suggestion of stripping his captaincy, then there were pieces of acceptance in selling him to other clubs. Where's the passion mate?
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There're no suggestion of stripping his captaincy. Don't be so sensitive mate, we're just stating that Carra could be a better captain than Stevie.
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i dunno there's a ban on selling Gerrard discussion here rolleyes.gif
anyway, why so work up over something that won't happen, ie 50mil for Gerrard?
the whole discussion is whether u guys accept 50mil for Stevie or not. Just stated ur reasons for it or just ignore if u dun like. Dont goes ard castigating ppl just because they have different opinion.
Or is it pro Gerrard camp thinks their opinion is all mighty & ppl need to adhere to?
FFS this is a forum, which if it escapes some of you, for discussion purposes. There's no right or wrong in it shakehead.gif
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post Jun 23 2011, 05:38 PM

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Glad to hear that there are some who support my views smile.gif
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is Lucas in Brazil squad for Copa? if yes the we may not see him in KL.. confirmed there will be no Suarez too.. how about Maxi?

selamat datang ke Kuala Lumpur, Tan Sri Kenny dan anak-anak buah.. hehe..

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QUOTE(LukeMjstc @ Jun 23 2011, 05:34 PM)
There're no suggestion of stripping his captaincy. Don't be so sensitive mate, we're just stating that Carra could be a better captain than Stevie.
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QUOTE(vreis @ Jun 23 2011, 05:36 PM)
i dunno there's a ban on selling Gerrard discussion here rolleyes.gif
anyway, why so work up over something that won't happen, ie 50mil for Gerrard?
the whole discussion is whether u guys accept 50mil for Stevie or not. Just stated ur reasons for it or just ignore if u dun like. Dont goes ard castigating ppl just because they have different opinion.
Or is it pro Gerrard camp thinks their opinion is all mighty & ppl need to adhere to?
FFS this is a forum, which if it escapes some of you, for discussion purposes. There's no right or wrong in it shakehead.gif
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No need to get so uptight my friend. I was just stating my support for a Liverpool player. Didn't mean to judge others but I just wish they would be more supportive. No need to take it too seriously.. sweat.gif

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Even though Gerrard is ageing, he still bring many intangible benefits to the club and CANNOT be replaced by a foreigner irregardless of how talented the foreigner is. Gerrard is like a standard bearer for Liverpool, the heart and soul of the club that all other players, youth or first team alike, look to for inspiration. He drives the other foreign players to play their heart out for Liverpool by leading-by example. Others around him feel more inspired to perform better. Besides, he is also one of the pull factor for other world class players to join Liverpool. If he goes, there are no other world class player at Liverpool (maybe except for Luis Suarez) and others might not want to join Liverpool because, don't forget, we can't offer them Champions League football.

Which is why I think its a waste of time going after the Porto duo of Falcao and Hulk. They have no loyalty to Liverpool and I reckon would probably want to play in a Champions League as well. No point for them to downgrade themselves. Besides, Chelsea is offering huge amount of pay package plus champions league football.
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QUOTE(vreis @ Jun 23 2011, 05:36 PM)
i dunno there's a ban on selling Gerrard discussion here rolleyes.gif
anyway, why so work up over something that won't happen, ie 50mil for Gerrard?
the whole discussion is whether u guys accept 50mil for Stevie or not. Just stated ur reasons for it or just ignore if u dun like. Dont goes ard castigating ppl just because they have different opinion.
Or is it pro Gerrard camp thinks their opinion is all mighty & ppl need to adhere to?
FFS this is a forum, which if it escapes some of you, for discussion purposes. There's no right or wrong in it shakehead.gif
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You are already attempting to further the divide by claiming two camps;pro gerrard and anti gerrard.is that what you meant?

Nobody is castigating anyone here.We are in the middle of a heated discussion that will cool down once the season starts.

Like you said there is no right or wrong but there is something called loyalty which some should remember smile.gif

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i cant wait for Downing to sign for us...haha.
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Anyone staying in setapak area ? Meet liverpool players this coming 15th July at Courts Mammoth Setapak 3pm.
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Well, no one can predict the weather. I would love to see a good player to be with his club until the end. Like Scholes and for-sure Giggs. But who could predict with the likes of Fowler? (Owen, hmmm ... hmm.gif mad.gif )Well, the case of Raul can be predicted a bit.

From being a youngster then a star to a club devoted much, everyone would love to hang the boot on the same place we took them. Maybe everyone. I could not point my view in the discussion about SG. One thing for sure, I would love to see Gerrard winning the premier league with us.


On the otherside, I'm crossing fingers for Downing. Heard about him since Boro. He had ups and downs, well I trust King Kenny biggrin.gif . Hmm, we will miss the old Villans. I once thought they will fight-to-fight with Spurs with the squad they had. Now Ashley's going. I'm hoping for Downing too.

Hmm, caught my eyes on Albrighton last season. Wonder if he fits well in Kenny's agenda?

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Another winger rumor:

09.33 Liverpool may give up on trying to land Aston Villa winger Stewart Downing as they are apparently interested in a £13.5 million for St Etienne's Dimitri Payet instead.

Anyone heard about this guy?

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