Before I go one, can I urge everyone to stop being so sensitive? Did anyone see any "Gerrard out!" comments? We call them mancs over in the other thread sensitive when a less than popular suggestion is made, and then I see the same thing here. Once again, it makes a mockery of fans who claim that we are better and more knowledgeable. Having a different POV on the matter, doesn't make me or anyone with similar view points anti-Gerrard ffs. Having a different opinion doesn't make the said person any less passionate. Is anything I said not substantiated, or is it merely a different viewpoint?
QUOTE(triple02 @ Jun 23 2011, 05:10 PM)
I dont think i was taking it out of context, maybe it sounded that way but it wasnt, ok for the sake of discussion, is there really going to be large offer coming in for Gerrard? 3-4 years ago yes no doubt there would have been but now? We who support the club know his true value of what he is and brings but what value does price wise will other club will see in him?
I'm no Nostradamus and I clearly did say IF a big offer came our way. We have owners like those over at City who don't care about ROI and are willing to throw huge wads of cash at you if they want something you have. Just a year ago, Real Madrid were rumoured to be preparing a $30 million pound bid for our captain so who knows? Precisely, no one which is why I said IF.
QUOTE(triple02 @ Jun 23 2011, 05:10 PM)
I agree that we have youngsters and lots of players coming in now and the club stands in a better stead compared to previously but one should also shouldnt not forget what Gerrard has done before all this took place, yes im clouded by sentiments, sentiments for a player that has given his all for the club and thats what we need and look for in a player these days dont we? and FSG are just starting to build something special at the club, why risk the backlash of the fans by selling the club's best player when he could still on his day win a game? apart from club sentiments aside, logically speaking players these days look more towards playing with world class players compared to the badge. Suarez came because he wanted to play with Torres and Gerrard, Henderson because of Gerrard, apart from the club you'd have to admit that a player who plays at the club does also hold attraction. We Liverpool fans know how steep we are in tradition but does the players?
Logically, yes, Gerrard is a world class player but IF he were sold for a lot of money, do you reckon King Kenny will be replacing him with camel fodder?
I've lost count the amount of time I've stated that it isn't that I want Gerrard out of the club because I know what he means to the club. FFS, I've been watching him since his first game for us. It doesn't however mean that I cannot think about what life would be without him does it? You say that there will be a backlash from the fans, of course there will if the club forces him out the front door but what if a big offer comes in and he decides to leave? Will everyone then start calling him a traitor again? Suddenly he won't be Mr. Liverpool anymore? How did you feel when he wanted to leave for Chelsea?
QUOTE(triple02 @ Jun 23 2011, 05:10 PM)
Im not contradicting but i agree no one is bigger than the club, John Henry runs this club like a business wouldnt any question his financial acumen if he decides to sell of of the main attractions at the club, costing millions in sales of jersey's and potential pulling power for the players to come and play at the club?
Agree with the pull naturally but in terms of jersey sales, I reckon we could sign a player from China and make millions. Can't think of another reason the mancs signed Dong Fangzhuo. Also, who is to say that whoever is bought as a replacement (assuming it's just one and not two) players won't sell more? Torres sold more jerseys than Gerrard in the year he was signed.
QUOTE(triple02 @ Jun 23 2011, 05:10 PM)
As for being the club captain, I think you would agree Gerrard more than did his fair share of representing the club, yes he is not flawless and had his tiffs with the law, you mentioned his decision to stay with LFC the could be contributed from the death threats to his family well maybe there could have been other factors as well too right? I never had a chance to see Kenny Dalglish, Ian Rush during their hey days at the club, and Gerrard I consider is the closest thing to them since then. I'm just being appreciative of what he has brought to the club, thats all
Yes I'm sure a big part of the reason he stayed is because he loves the club, I think I said that didn't I? I also said that the threats were part of the reason, not the whole reason.
Again, you make it seem as though I don't give a rats ass about Gerrard and I want him to leave. I assure you I know and I remember as clearly as anyone what he has given to us. You don't remember Rush but surely you were around when Fowler left? Did you feel just as strongly? I felt sad and yet I saw logic behind that decision. Forget the fact that he never got along with Thommo and almost took his head off in training, which is ultimately rumoured to have been what was the last straw? Fowler's form was going downhill and Houllier thought it was time to call it curtains on his Anfield career. Yes, another reason is that being a strict disciplinarian, Houllier didn't always appreciate Fowler's antics. Now based on sentiment alone, we would never have sold our "God".
QUOTE(weichieh007 @ Jun 23 2011, 05:25 PM)
It's sad to see more forumers seems to go along the less passionate/ supportive view on the Gerrard discussions. First there was bits of suggestion of stripping his captaincy, then there were pieces of acceptance in selling him to other clubs. Where's the passion mate?
First of all, I'm passionate about the club. Yes, the club always comes first for me. Some time back, I was criticised for suggesting that it was time for Rafa to go but was I so wrong? It was nothing personal against Rafa, I clearly remember Istanbul but that didn't change the fact that he never got on with the owners and the players had stopped wanting to play for him, so what else could have been done? Because of sentiment, we force him to stay even though the situation was toxic? We pray for new owners (that we now have of course), and sell all the players who don't like Rafa, replacing them with new ones? A long shot at the time. The most logical thing to do was to bring in new management and I don't see anyone complaining now that King Kenny is back.
So now, if you think that my opinion on at least considering a large bid for Gerrard shows a lack of passion on my behalf, I urge you to rethink your accusation. I want what's best for the club. What's best for the players, the fans and the management comes second. Why? Of all these elements, the only constant is the club. The emergence of bandwagon jumpers have proven that even fans come and go these days.
Finally, I want to reiterate what I said in my opening paragraph. I DON"T WANT GERRARD TO LEAVE. I'm trying to take my rose tinted glasses off to at least consider if we could actually be better off if we sold him for large profit. Is that not what we do when we make decisions? Weigh the pros and cons?