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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2011, Downing 19!

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post Jun 23 2011, 08:39 PM

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Good news for liverpool fans. Head to ampang point to get the asia tour merchandise and I saw training passes up for grabs. Carroll kuyt carragher gerrard tshirts for sale as well as scarves. Retailed by reject shop
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Florent Dimitri Payet (born 29 March 1987 in Saint-Pierre, Réunion) is a French football player of Réunionnais heritage who currently plays for French club Saint-Étienne in Ligue 1. He primarily plays as an attacking midfielder and a winger and is described as a player who is "quick" and "blessed with terrific technique and dribbling skills".
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Before I go one, can I urge everyone to stop being so sensitive? Did anyone see any "Gerrard out!" comments? We call them mancs over in the other thread sensitive when a less than popular suggestion is made, and then I see the same thing here. Once again, it makes a mockery of fans who claim that we are better and more knowledgeable. Having a different POV on the matter, doesn't make me or anyone with similar view points anti-Gerrard ffs. Having a different opinion doesn't make the said person any less passionate. Is anything I said not substantiated, or is it merely a different viewpoint?

QUOTE(triple02 @ Jun 23 2011, 05:10 PM)
I dont think i was taking it out of context, maybe it sounded that way but it wasnt, ok for the sake of discussion, is there really going to be large offer coming in for Gerrard? 3-4 years ago yes no doubt there would have been but now? We who support the club know his true value of what he is and brings but what value does price wise will other club will see in him?


I'm no Nostradamus and I clearly did say IF a big offer came our way. We have owners like those over at City who don't care about ROI and are willing to throw huge wads of cash at you if they want something you have. Just a year ago, Real Madrid were rumoured to be preparing a $30 million pound bid for our captain so who knows? Precisely, no one which is why I said IF.

QUOTE(triple02 @ Jun 23 2011, 05:10 PM)
I agree that we have youngsters and lots of players coming in now and the club stands in a better stead compared to previously but one should also shouldnt not forget what Gerrard has done before all this took place, yes im clouded by sentiments, sentiments for a player that has given his all for the club and thats what we need and look for in a player these days dont we? and FSG are just starting to build something special at the club, why risk the backlash of the fans by selling the club's best player when he could still on his day win a game? apart from club sentiments aside, logically speaking players these days look more towards playing with world class players compared to the badge. Suarez came because he wanted to play with Torres and Gerrard, Henderson because of Gerrard, apart from the club you'd have to admit that a player who plays at the club does also hold attraction. We Liverpool fans know how steep we are in tradition but does the players?


Logically, yes, Gerrard is a world class player but IF he were sold for a lot of money, do you reckon King Kenny will be replacing him with camel fodder?

I've lost count the amount of time I've stated that it isn't that I want Gerrard out of the club because I know what he means to the club. FFS, I've been watching him since his first game for us. It doesn't however mean that I cannot think about what life would be without him does it? You say that there will be a backlash from the fans, of course there will if the club forces him out the front door but what if a big offer comes in and he decides to leave? Will everyone then start calling him a traitor again? Suddenly he won't be Mr. Liverpool anymore? How did you feel when he wanted to leave for Chelsea?

QUOTE(triple02 @ Jun 23 2011, 05:10 PM)
Im not contradicting but i agree no one is bigger than the club,  John Henry runs this club like a business wouldnt any question his financial acumen if he decides to sell of of the main attractions at the club, costing millions in sales of jersey's and potential pulling power for the players to come and play at the club?


Agree with the pull naturally but in terms of jersey sales, I reckon we could sign a player from China and make millions. Can't think of another reason the mancs signed Dong Fangzhuo. Also, who is to say that whoever is bought as a replacement (assuming it's just one and not two) players won't sell more? Torres sold more jerseys than Gerrard in the year he was signed.

QUOTE(triple02 @ Jun 23 2011, 05:10 PM)
As for being the club captain, I think you would agree Gerrard more than did his fair share of representing the club, yes he is not flawless and had his tiffs with the law, you mentioned his decision to stay with LFC the could be contributed from the death threats to his family well maybe there could have been other factors as well too right? I never had a chance to see Kenny Dalglish, Ian Rush during their hey days at the club, and Gerrard I consider is the closest thing to them since then. I'm just being appreciative of what he has brought to the club, thats all
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Yes I'm sure a big part of the reason he stayed is because he loves the club, I think I said that didn't I? I also said that the threats were part of the reason, not the whole reason.

Again, you make it seem as though I don't give a rats ass about Gerrard and I want him to leave. I assure you I know and I remember as clearly as anyone what he has given to us. You don't remember Rush but surely you were around when Fowler left? Did you feel just as strongly? I felt sad and yet I saw logic behind that decision. Forget the fact that he never got along with Thommo and almost took his head off in training, which is ultimately rumoured to have been what was the last straw? Fowler's form was going downhill and Houllier thought it was time to call it curtains on his Anfield career. Yes, another reason is that being a strict disciplinarian, Houllier didn't always appreciate Fowler's antics. Now based on sentiment alone, we would never have sold our "God".

QUOTE(weichieh007 @ Jun 23 2011, 05:25 PM)
It's sad to see more forumers seems to go along the less passionate/ supportive view on the Gerrard discussions. First there was bits of suggestion of stripping his captaincy, then there were pieces of acceptance in selling him to other clubs. Where's the passion mate?
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First of all, I'm passionate about the club. Yes, the club always comes first for me. Some time back, I was criticised for suggesting that it was time for Rafa to go but was I so wrong? It was nothing personal against Rafa, I clearly remember Istanbul but that didn't change the fact that he never got on with the owners and the players had stopped wanting to play for him, so what else could have been done? Because of sentiment, we force him to stay even though the situation was toxic? We pray for new owners (that we now have of course), and sell all the players who don't like Rafa, replacing them with new ones? A long shot at the time. The most logical thing to do was to bring in new management and I don't see anyone complaining now that King Kenny is back.

So now, if you think that my opinion on at least considering a large bid for Gerrard shows a lack of passion on my behalf, I urge you to rethink your accusation. I want what's best for the club. What's best for the players, the fans and the management comes second. Why? Of all these elements, the only constant is the club. The emergence of bandwagon jumpers have proven that even fans come and go these days.

Finally, I want to reiterate what I said in my opening paragraph. I DON"T WANT GERRARD TO LEAVE. I'm trying to take my rose tinted glasses off to at least consider if we could actually be better off if we sold him for large profit. Is that not what we do when we make decisions? Weigh the pros and cons?
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QUOTE(weichieh007 @ Jun 23 2011, 05:25 PM)
It's sad to see more forumers seems to go along the less passionate/ supportive view on the Gerrard discussions. First there was bits of suggestion of stripping his captaincy, then there were pieces of acceptance in selling him to other clubs. Where's the passion mate?
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its not a matter of not having passion mate, I support Liverpool FC, not Steven Gerrard FC. My passion is for the club, not for a player.
but dont be misled, I would never want Stevie G to leave - EVER! (even after retirement) - but tell me u can really say no to a good offer for him.

Gerrard has past his prime. But he's still good and have a few more years left in him - (Which makes me doubt that any offer will ever come in for him at his wage).
If we can sell him for 30-50million, why not? With that money, we can get good players for the Club, which is a process to achieving success.
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post Jun 23 2011, 09:29 PM

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watching Cavani and Hulk play makes me wonder what Carroll will turn out to be in the near future. Hopefully it's a mixture of Cavani and Hulk! Good movement, quick, strong, aggressive, beast in the air, amazing powerful long shots, good finisher, knows how to get past his man and last but not least, injury-free...

king kenny please make my dream come true. i will wet my bed if carroll becomes a scoring machine
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QUOTE(longamwai @ Jun 23 2011, 08:39 PM)
Good news for liverpool fans. Head to ampang point to get the asia tour merchandise and I saw training passes up for grabs. Carroll kuyt carragher gerrard tshirts for sale as well as scarves. Retailed by reject shop
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Ampang point is selling original Liverpool merchandise? When will it last??
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post Jun 23 2011, 11:45 PM

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While we are arguing here,Manunited have bought ashley young ohmy.gif

They need central midfielders and they are buying wingers,we need wingers and we are buying central midfielders.

What is wrong with the world. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Jun 23 2011, 11:45 PM)
While we are arguing here,Manunited have bought ashley young ohmy.gif

They need central midfielders and they are buying wingers,we need wingers and we are buying central midfielders.

What is wrong with the world. hmm.gif
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Undisclosed fee.... 15 mils?? 20 mils?? or 30 mils!!!!!
Maybe they can consider to buy Meireles from us at 30 mil... icon_idea.gif
Since rumour said that Meireles is inside KD on sales list...

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post Jun 24 2011, 12:17 AM

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I have a pair of RM108 tickets (green gate) to watch the Liverpool game. Willing to sell it at a slight premium. Those interested, please pm me.

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Meireles on sale? hmm.. unlucky for him.. if could get around 15mil-20mil for him would be good..

Wickham next on the list..
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post Jun 24 2011, 12:55 AM

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http://youtu.be/13Avj2zmEUo

Very funny guys.MU fans got pissed. biggrin.gif
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post Jun 24 2011, 01:02 AM

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Honestly, if someone is mad enough to offer us fifty big ones for Gerrard, I'd say we send him over in a chopper smile.gif
Is Gerrard and all his intangibles worth fifty million in cold hard cash? Is he even worth thirty?

Accuse me of being ungrateful, of showing a distinct lack of passion etc etc, but I do believe that I support LFC the club and not Gerrard the player. Being ruthless, calculative and manipulative made many a millionaire!

This is also how I suspect things to be in the future under NESV, when Lucas hits twenty eight-ish and is at his prime, he will be sold no matter how much we like him. The owners aren't exactly here to gift success to LFC - there is no free lunch. They intend to make money by developing youngsters and selling them off at the right time for godly sums. If they win something in between then that's a bonus.


Added on June 24, 2011, 1:11 amHaven't exactly vented here in a while, so lemme continue while the 'fire' still burns.

Why in earth did we buy Henderson for twenty million quid? Why not put that money aside and invest in the bloody stadium??? Will we ever get a new stadium before Anfield crumbles???


Added on June 24, 2011, 1:13 amHenderson sounds to be very similar to Lucas, even his hapless showing at the U21s was every bit as bad as the old Lucas!!! Do we even need him?

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post Jun 24 2011, 01:43 AM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Jun 24 2011, 01:02 AM)
Honestly, if someone is mad enough to offer us fifty big ones for Gerrard, I'd say we send him over in a chopper smile.gif
Is Gerrard and all his intangibles worth fifty million in cold hard cash? Is he even worth thirty?

Accuse me of being ungrateful, of showing a distinct lack of passion etc etc, but I do believe that I support LFC the club and not Gerrard the player. Being ruthless, calculative and manipulative made many a millionaire!

This is also how I suspect things to be in the future under NESV, when Lucas hits twenty eight-ish and is at his prime, he will be sold no matter how much we like him. The owners aren't exactly here to gift success to LFC - there is no free lunch. They intend to make money by developing youngsters and selling them off at the right time for godly sums. If they win something in between then that's a bonus.


Added on June 24, 2011, 1:11 amHaven't exactly vented here in a while, so lemme continue while the 'fire' still burns.

Why in earth did we buy Henderson for twenty million quid? Why not put that money aside and invest in the bloody stadium??? Will we ever get a new stadium before Anfield crumbles???


Added on June 24, 2011, 1:13 amHenderson sounds to be very similar to Lucas, even his hapless showing at the U21s was every bit as bad as the old Lucas!!! Do we even need him?
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Dont use england as a yardstick.England is a pathetic team and nothing goes right in any of their camps regardless of level.
Wait for his first 10games then from there u will know what type of player he is.(sounds like roy blush.gif but i had no other words)
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I din know a joke can turn out to be a heated discussion.To make things worse, I dont know that people take things so seriously.

Alright, my bad. Anyway, forget the Gerrard issue. Since u guys are not up for discussion, let's just focus on transfer rumours...

Meireles is heading the exit. Newspaper today reported so!

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jun 24 2011, 03:51 AM)
I din know a joke can turn out to be a heated discussion.To make things worse, I dont know that people take things so seriously.

Alright, my bad. Anyway, forget the Gerrard issue. Since u guys are not up for discussion, let's just focus on transfer rumours...

Meireles is heading the exit. Newspaper today reported so!
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Meireles can join Maroon 5.. hehe.. rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jun 24 2011, 03:51 AM)
I din know a joke can turn out to be a heated discussion.To make things worse, I dont know that people take things so seriously.

Alright, my bad. Anyway, forget the Gerrard issue. Since u guys are not up for discussion, let's just focus on transfer rumours...

Meireles is heading the exit. Newspaper today reported so!
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Well, I thought we were indeed 'discussing'. It just happened that some of us have different opinions. It's not like we're the one deciding a player's future. It was just a: discussion.

Anyway, I thought the Mereiles exit is still just a rumor? The source?
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It was just pure speculation judging from the signing of Henderson.
Since we have so many CM, I think the most likely player offload at higher price is Meireles.

http://www.koptalk.co.uk/201106233795/Live...er-enquiry.html
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Jun 23 2011, 06:23 PM)
You are already attempting to further the divide by claiming two camps;pro gerrard and anti gerrard.is that what you meant?

Nobody is castigating anyone here.We are in the middle of a heated discussion that will cool down once the season starts.

Like you said there is no right or wrong but there is something called loyalty which some should remember smile.gif
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By seeing the posts, there's no need for me to further divide. Obviously there a side agree & a side disagree. & who the hell anti Gerrard? by agreeing to sell him for 50mil doesnt make us anti Gerrard. Just make us more realistic smile.gif
Loyalty eh...last I saw, his loyalty can be bought, or at least tempted.
Anyway not to deviated further, point is the transfer wont happen as there wont be clubs stupid enough to cough out 50mil for him as original discussed.
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Aiyo.... people... Chillax la....It's just a discussion, Sols is merely stating his opinion. It was a joke in the first place. He was teasing you guys la... I love Gerrard more than the club itself and even I could see it. Chillax, he ain't going anywhere and Sols doesn't want him anywhere as well.... I think..
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QUOTE(lalula2 @ Jun 24 2011, 09:29 AM)
It was just pure speculation judging from the signing of Henderson.
Since we have so many CM, I think the most likely player offload at higher price is Meireles.

http://www.koptalk.co.uk/201106233795/Live...er-enquiry.html
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I hope we'll be able to keep him, since we want to create a squad with enough depth. I also hope that we don't have to sell players in order to get new players. We've seen Mereiles playing on the wings last season. Since we're not having an easy time shopping for wingers at the moment, it would be silly to sell him before we got a winger.


Added on June 24, 2011, 10:53 am Reina

Johnson--Carra----Skrtel--Aurelio

Mereiles-----Lucas-----Maxi

-------Gerrard/Henderson-----

-------Suarez----Caroll------

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