hello there,

any update on the S&P & signning on the new layout?

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Added on May 19, 2011, 2:43 pmi heard almost all of the "upgrade" owner are not going to sign anything

for your info, the status of the house now almost 70% to 80% completion

This post has been edited by ndykh: May 19 2011, 02:43 PM

How about you, opt for upgrade?

ya... i opt for the ugrade... didnt agree with it.. so didnt sign..



This post has been edited by ndykh: May 19 2011, 07:41 PM

Then what the lawyer said?

For 2 1/2 storey, it should be follow the revised plan, of course the DMC is sided to the developer.

The lawyer, Mr Ng has not call me yet. Anyone signed?

he didnt call me neither

i got to know that Mr. Ng will be at 2 1/2 Mahajaya sample house every Sunday

u try to call the lawyer firm and look for his assistant (Ms. Choo)

tell her that u wan to make appointment with Mr. Ng

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Added on May 20, 2011, 8:50 amFor 2 storey, the lawyer said that MS fail to obtain approval for the new layout. (without the corridor & with the additional built up)

Therefore, MS have to revise again and put back the corridor. He claimed that the outlook now is similar to 3 storey superlink by MS

Secondly, we have to pay the RM100 (guard) + RM50 (clubhouse) upon getting the key but the old S&P said that its free.
I think this is applied to 2 1/2 storey as well.

From what I know, alot upgrade owner do not agree to sign it

This post has been edited by ndykh: May 20 2011, 08:50 AM

Ya, supposedly it should come with 2 years free Security fee.

For 2 storey, you mean they will put back the balcony? Or corridor? So what is the latest built up size?

Hmm...
Honestly I have a few thing I am unhappy with

1. Lawyer - Our lawyer 'Mr Ng' is a;ways keeping us in dark. I met up with him 1 month ago where he told me to prepare to sign the SPA+MOT but until today no sound. Also because of the delay for the signing of SPA + Loan Agreement, my bank is pulling back the loan because no disbursement in 1 year which is okay as it was already writte in the earlier LO but this lawyer should step in and talk to them. Bloody hell, now I have to convince the bank to extend the facility
One word - This fella's a crap but we are stuck with him.

2. New Layout - If MS failed to obtain approval for the new layout, it's fine but remember we actually failed 28k for that upgrade so the new revision by MS must be at least equal to what was promised earlier or if he is not revising the build up, please give us some goodies such as auto-gate, air con, water heater, etc to compensate

3. 2 years free maintenance - Now this pissed me off the most. How can they reversed whatever that were agreed earlier. THis is crap la. I'll defiitely not sign the DMC for this until an agreement is reached. And I heard from some owner that it will be more than 150 bucks a month

I have not sign or see the SPA therefore I couldn't comment about my dissatisfaction but Mr Ng know I am hard to dealt with, maybe that's why he hasn't get me to sign the thing because I already communicated earlier to him that I'll only sign if everything is as per the earlier SPA with MH. Therefore for those that has already signed, kindly bring this case to MS via the lawyer. I can't because technically I have not sign and I am only writing this based on what I heard from other owner

Totally agree with you, if not much changes from MH design, why should you pay 28K to them?

The lawyer is the biggest failure for this deal!

Fyi, the lawyer knows about this forum but I am not sure if he actually reads what we said. So Mr. Ng, if you are reading this, kindly disseminate more information to all your 80 plus clients. You can just drop by this forum and let us know what's the current status is as and when needed

It's bloody hard to get you...

Wa... luckily did not mention which unit that I own...

We are severely behind schedule for S&P, Loan Agreement and MOT... buck up Mr. Lawyer !

LOL

Don't worry about Mr Lawyet jeopardizing everything and taking personal 'revenge' over our comment here. From how I look at it, he's doing a good job dealing with MS, just a bad one dealing with us.

ya.. agreed with you...

our situation is 1st in M'sia, so the lawyer also dunno what to do sometimes

but I know he is doing his very best communicate with MS & fight for us

i remember asking him at least to update us..

but he said he know we all didnt satisfied with the changes so no point calling us

But keeping us in dark will make the situation worse.

I am expecting at least some update from time to time.

Guys,

I went to the site on Saturday for a look.
I have to say that the progress is very good as some units even have the roof done. I was trying to see the fascade and it is definitely different compare to the MH's one but I cannot identify how it will look like as they are still building it. The way I look at it, we are about 40-50% done... that's quick but hopefully MS do not sacrifice the quality

2 storey should look like this?

Is this the mah sing develop kinrara resident? I when there yesterday. The salesgirl said maintenance fee is rm310?

Hmm... if this is the one then it is not the same as the one I signed earlier as I remember there's no balcony... The one I got from MS was this


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One question I want to ask. Will those that purchase with MH and opt for upgrade has similar fascade as the one sold by MS?

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Added on May 23, 2011, 9:21 pmRM310 for which type? 2 storey? 2 1/2 storey? 3 storey?

This post has been edited by mrkenjiro: May 23 2011, 09:32 PM

The facede should be same for both MS & MH purchaser. Which design u prefer?

it has a gate or no ?

krgia10,
I've seen the balcony in the 3storey/semi D and it is too small to fit anything so I don't see a point of having a balcony. If it is not taken care well, it'll just gather dust and dirt. I would prefer without balcony and the space that the balcony occupied to be part of the masterbedroom, easily get additional 30-40 sq feets...

I think we need to know what is the status right now. The way I understand it right now the layout is not approved by the local council...

alfredx,
Yes. There's gate. It's not open concept

IINM the design without balcony was rejected by local council, that's why the came out with this design.

You will only know the finalized design when you sign your S&P. Get Mr. Lawyar.

in fact i think its should be 70% completion
ya, confirmed that they cant get the previous layout & now they will use the facade that have balcony with the outside layout similar to 3 story link hse

i got to know that someone actually "sneak" into the construction side and have a look of the unit that have the roof done.
they said that they saw the "roof(top)" of each room is empty on the 1st floor.
last time MH confirmed that the roof top of each room will be cemented.

which mean will they covered the roof of each room with only wood or how?
what i mean is by right they should covered with cement 1st then only they put up the roof outside rite?

i'm not engineer nor have good knowledge in construction but this is just my common sense.

This kinds of thing very hard to judge as it is not mentioned in the SPA. I guess the best person to answer is the project manager for our phase. They will have everything layout but not sure if they can reveal it to us or not

supposingly last sunday going to sign the upgrade plan as the Ms Choo called. however, mana tau last minuts (saturday) she sms and said cancelled, till further notice.

Anyone happen the same thing? i guess cancelled due to upgrade statement was not clear enough for purchaser who choose to upgrade

i went there few weeks back. the lawyer knows that we(opt for upgrade) will not agree with the new arrangement.
so he just explain to me what are the changes & ask us to take back & consider.
he said he will "update" us wor.

WAIT lor..

what i worry is about the bank loan, just like mrkenjiro, the bank pull back the agreement since not active for year.

damn, the lawyer said will update, but for weeks never get his call

Be proactive, drop by Mah Sing office to solve the problems, I foresee the longer the issue being dragged, the insecure of your interest, TMS is not easy to deal with...
Try to think the consequences if you dun sign the incomplete DMC at all...it could turn worst, give and take a bit
my 2 bakuli

I think UFO is correct. I think we should bring our concern to TMS with or without the lawyer.

Can we meet up and discuss this with TMS say this Sat (is their office open on Saturday?)

can we do it on sunday? as i'm not available on saturday

Tell you guys what. Maybe I'll drop by first since I am staying quite to close to the place this weekend and talk to TMS.
But I need you guys to help me to list down the question to be posted to them.

I'll start the ball rolling

1. Why is the delay in the signing of SPA?
2. What will be the monthly maintenance fees?
3. Will there be a 2 years free maintenance fees after vacant?

4. since no extra built-up area, what are the changes of upgrade plan statement? going to sign new upgrade plan statement?

5. new floor layout

the lawyer had given me the new floor layout, everything is the same except the corridor and some changes to lighting point, a/c point, etc

remember to inform & remind them that our bank will withdraw the loan if it continued to delay

i got 1 silly question but u no need to ask : can MS remove & relocate the Surau & Dewan to somewhere near Clubhouse?

MS reduce the lighting & a/c points?

let me sum up (referring to Intermediate Lot) :-

Old: New
light point 39: 28
power point 20: 20
telephone 2: 2
ceiling fan 4: 6
MATV 3: 3
Water heater 3: 3
gate light 1: 1
door bell 1: 1
air-cond point 4: 5

This post has been edited by ndykh: May 26 2011, 07:22 PM


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1. Why is the delay in the signing of SPA?
2. What will be the monthly maintenance fees?
3. Will there be a 2 years free maintenance fees after vacant?
4. since no extra built-up area, what are the changes of upgrade plan statement? going to sign new upgrade plan statement?
5. new floor layout
6. can MS remove & relocate the Surau & Dewan to somewhere near Clubhouse?

Did not manage to go last weekend. Busy with stuff and all. Will try to go again this weekend

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Added on June 6, 2011, 11:21 pmThe lawyer called me today. Will sign the SPA this Sat. Anyone got a call from him as well?

This post has been edited by mrkenjiro: Jun 6 2011, 11:21 PM

yes, the lawyer called me yesterday, ask me to sign the SPA on this coming Saturday 2pm.
what he said is we can compare the SPA and decide to sign or not.

yeap...u will get the same thing that i posted early..the new plan & the new specs
so, u can decide wan to sign or not with the changes..
i dunno whether he got any updated news for u all anot...
if got, pls share here ya

so did you sign?

of coz no..

plenty of owners opt not to sign..

if all signed, then i sign lor

beside the layout and the lighting points, what else the diff in the new SPA?
if only these, not much diff with the original SPA.

1. security fee + club house maintenance fee still 100 + 50?
2. do we entitled for 2 years FOC for security fee + club house maintenance fee?

if these 2 are remove from the SPA, definitely i wont sign.


recently i discussed with my fren who is the Civil Engineer, talk about the balcony in master bedroom.
when we get the key, actually we can change the balcony into indoor area of master bedroom, the things is pay ourself.
haha

1. security fees + club house should maintain at 150
2. no. they removed this clause. u have to start paying once u got the key

yea, i agreed that we can move the balcony door out and become part of the master bedroom.
but as u said, we have to pay ourself.
so, whats the point we pay the ugrade?
MS should compensate us with others like what Mr. Kenjiro said earlier

Hi pcteck19,
I'll probably be seeing you then around 2pm tomorrow.

Hi ndykh,
Can I know how many agreement are there?
SPA? DMC?

If the changes on the SPA is minimal then I'll probably sign it as I don't think the security fee and club house part of SPA. It should be part of DMC.

Therefore I might sign SPA only but I need to ask about the layout and what is the implication if we do not sign it?! Does MS has the right to void our earlier agreement and kick us out. This I need to ask our dear Mr Ng.

Remember March or April we received the letter from MS, talk about they accept the SPA signed before, and will delivery the house on June 2012.

i think we can fight on this, since MS already accepted this, why should we to re-sign the new SPA? if cruel abit, we can complain/sue MS regarding this.

BTW, if the SPA just about the lighting point and the balcony issue, i might sign on that since it's not big issue. Let say MS really want us to pay the RM150 immediately when they pass the key, i wont sign for that, really pissed me off.

Hi pcteck19,

My view and yours are exactly the same!
Let's meet up this Sat 2pm at the MH's showhouse.

yea, can fight with our dear mr. Ng, it's great if MS ppl also there.

but i cant stay long in there, coz i gotta catch the flight in the evening time.

gosh......

Well guys,

I've signed the SPA and MOT last Saturday. I couldn't wait as my loan will be withdrawn by my bank end of this month
Like what was mentioned earlier by a forummer, the changes to the SPA are
1. Layout - Extension to masterbedroom change to balcony
2. Lighting point, etc

But I didn't sign the DMC as I mentioned to the lawyer that the agreement should be changed to include the free 2 years waive for the Security Fees (and hopefully the club house as well).
He will bring it up to MS. I have also spoken to Samantha (sales girl from MS) about this as well and she was surprised why we didn't have that so she said she'll bring it up to MS. Hopefully will get good news.

Noted & Thanks.

By the way, we seem dont have much choices & have to accept the SPA with no extention.
I wonder is it still worth RM28k for the upgrade?

Honestly if I have the $$ and time, I'll probably fight this one but sad to say, I don't have the luxury. The only 'loss' I would say is the lost of the extended 'covered' area in master bedroom. And to be frank, I think we actually do not really have a case as MS is actually giving us the same total sq feet as before.

I did asked the same question about the upgrade whether we can pull back or not but was informed to contact MS directly.

got DMC paper to sign? i thought is the MPSJ form being signed, with the SPA

Yes, only SPA and MOT

I have a copy of the DMC but I have yet to sign it. The lawyer said he'll amend it to include the free 2 years waivers.

there are about 20 owners who choose not to sign the SPA.

MS came out with a "warning letter" and ask them to sign before 17th June in order to avoid the ownership being taken back.

Yes, and I got that letter.
And I AM f***ING FURIOUS

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Added on June 16, 2011, 9:32 amThose of you that already signed please call to MS and show your anger. This is pissing me off.
We waited for the SPA for god know how long and now they just send us a letter dated 8th June (pos stamped 14th June) and request me to sign the damn thing (which I did on the 11th June). Someone in MS will be getting a good f*** from me soon...

This post has been edited by mrkenjiro: Jun 16 2011, 09:32 AM

well, since already signed the SPA, just dun care & fcuk up with them

Received a letter from MS for the remaining RM2800 so I went and passed the cheque to MS last Sat. Took the opportunity to talk to Vivian (she's something like a marketing manager for MS) and she confirmed that we (buyer from MS) have the same entitlement as the Semi D for the 2 years waiver even though it was not mentioned in the DMC (apparently it was not mentioned in DMC for other direct purchasers as well)

the MS sales office is that club house? i'm out of malaysia, yesterday only i know abt the letter. will ask my bro to go today.

Yes. You can pay them there either via cheque or bankdraft.

finally got my stamped S&P

and received the progressing billing...25%

Woah?! You got the progressing billing already?
That was fast!!

Assuming your bank are paying, have you got a stamped copy of the loan agreement?

have you guys finance in the upgrade amount into the loan?
i didn't receive any letter from the bank regarding the finance-in issue

This post has been edited by pcteck19: Jul 4 2011, 03:55 PM

I did. You need to call your bank to tell them if you want to increase else your loan will be based on the previous loan amount.

just call to the bank center? or call to the bank officer which did our case before?

they should ask for at least 50% progressing billing..

most of the double storey houses are with roof now

i didnt get any news regarding the loan agreement wor..

should we check with our bank regarding the billing?

Hmm... as long as the loan agreement with the bank is intact and executed, it should be fine.

i think we should check with our banker, the due date of the billing is 25/7, i dont wish to see the MS going to charge interest due to late payment.

just called banker, telling that our dearly lawyer mr. ng didn't inform her about the finance in the upgrade amount into loan (as mr. ng promised help to contact bankker, and my loan doc also settle by him). So the bank is ready the loan without the upgrade plan figure, if finance in now, it takes time to proceed the new loan doc, definitely over the due date 25/7.

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Added on July 6, 2011, 11:06 pmany one has Mr. Ng contact number? office number is ok. i kena ask him who going to bear this penalty charge.

This post has been edited by pcteck19: Jul 6 2011, 11:22 PM

pcteck,

Try calling this number 6016-3383707 or 6012-3323715. By the way I am dealing directly with the bank and I was required to sign a sub LO for the increase in loan amount. Call your bank to hold on the execution of the loan cause once the money is transferred to Mah Sing then I think it'll be very chaotic to change the loan amount.

I have also received the progressing billing yesterday. Due date 1 Aug 2011. They have completed 55% contruction already.

So u dial to bank's call center? When you call?

and the progressing billing, MS claims 55%?

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Added on July 7, 2011, 4:09 pmjust call to the banker, she said if i wish to finance in the upgrade plan amount into loan, then i need to resubmit the income docs as per previous loan application. the process need to re-do again, and previous Letter of Offer will be cancelled accordingly once we superseded the case.

is not like you just sign a sub LO then finish.

damn...

This post has been edited by pcteck19: Jul 7 2011, 04:09 PM

which bank u using?

OCBC

I am with Hong Leong bank and I liase with the loan officer directly. He's helpful in getting the Sub LO done. This project brought many difficulties to us and the banker so I am quite thankful to him for the hassle.

thanks for the info, will try to contact loan division directly when i back to malaysia next tuesday

anyone have any idea when the bank will release the progressive payment to MS?

i called the bank and they said they have to wait for our lawyer instruction 1st

worried that MS will charged us late interest payment

i'm eyeing on the 2 1/2 storey, but too bad there's only around 20units left, anyone 2 1/2 owner here?? I was thinking to get a unit in the row facing 3storey link....but it's quite near to the guard house, worried about the noise and traffic..... anyone cares to share?

there's another unit facing 2 storey link, but too near to the allocated masjid.....sigh i'm now in dilemma between these 2.....

eh still got 2 1/2 sty left??

bumi lot izzit??

my fren went to the sales office last sat.

there are few end-lot available for 2 storey (RM888k) & 2 1/2 storey available (RM988k)

i think MS just "converted" it recenlty from bumi lot

ok...let me go their sales office c look c look...

2 1/2 is RM888k, end lot is RM988k

Was there several times last week. I love the 3-storey ones but can't get myself to pay 1.068m for an intermediate house. I think this isn't one of Mah Sing's better projects IMO.

so is 2 1/2 RM888K or 2 sty RM888K...


tats a big difference...lol./...

2-storey is RM788k, 2 1/2 is RM888k, I went to the office just yesterday.
2-storey only left end-lot which facing road.

yesterday i was able to "sneak" into the project area, and get looking within my house.

roof covered, wall has been coated, ground floor bathroom & kitchen tiles until ceiling heights, current progress is plaster ceiling works at 1st floor (ground floor completed).

1 thing a bit disappointed me is about the tiles at kitchen, although using Kimgres tiles as written in the upgrade plan letter, but its size just only 1X1 (MHJY show unit is 1X2), tiles color is something white color (MHJY show unit is something beige color kind), looks not so classy for me.

This post has been edited by pcteck19: Jul 25 2011, 10:16 AM

Hmm... yours 2 storey or 2 and 1/2?
You are referring to the wall tiles or floor tiles?

mine is 2 storey, it's wall tiles i mentioned, floor tiles not that soon to be done yet.

2.5 storey progress is slower than 2 storey

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Added on July 25, 2011, 3:23 pmhave you guys' bank already execute the amount for progressing billing?

This post has been edited by pcteck19: Jul 25 2011, 03:23 PM

Ohh F**K, I just called my bank (Hong Leong) and they told me that they have 'discontinue' using Swan & Partners as the lawyer due to their 'bad history'.

And now TMS is asking for money. F**K. This is very bad! The lawyer did not even call me to inform me.

i just called TMS Vivien Chor, she said my bank ocbc still not yet execute the amount, due to my portion not settle yet.

so i gonna pay the upgrade plan myself, or resubmit the loan application (but this take longer time and i worry abt the late payment charge).

facing the cross now, dunno way to go.

I have already settled mine 2 weeks ago.
Problem is bank is not disbursing because
1. Expiry of the loan offer
2. Upgrade package plan who want to finance partly the upgrade without sub LO
3. Bank just doesn't want to work with Swan & Partner because the bank was never briefed by the lawyer of what's happening ---> this is my case!!

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Added on July 25, 2011, 4:15 pmOK. I just called the lawyer and Mah Sing to get a clear picture of what's happening.

Brian from MS updated me that currently there are some documentation issue between MS and the bank so if there's delay in disbursing the money due to that then MS will waive the interest. I just hope Swan & Partner do their work diligently. I have a feeling they are sitting on the issue and did not really 'chase' on behalf of us.

This post has been edited by mrkenjiro: Jul 25 2011, 04:15 PM

Thanks for the sharing man Do you able to look into the master bedroom and see is there a balcony there? Or as in advertise in the liftlet that the balcony is converted and become part of the master bedroom?

Any photo that can share?

yea, i walk into master bedroom too, it's a balcony.

latest floor plan is the balcony, not longer part of the master bedroom (as the design was rejected by the authorities.)

u can go club house/sales office to get the latest liftlet, the layout becomes balcony.

Ok bro, suddenly the house less few square feet...

built up area as TMS claimed is the same, no matter inside bedroom or balcony, still consider as area they bring to you

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Added on August 1, 2011, 3:19 pmtoday lawyer firm staff just called me, talk about the disbursement for the loan legal fees. it's RM4200 !!!

so exp!!!

This post has been edited by pcteck19: Aug 2 2011, 10:48 AM

i thought we just paid the stamp duty fees and etc...this is another bill ah?

Reasonable, includes loan agreement stamping fees ma.. 0.5%

No matter which price...to spend 800K for a leasehold houses is ridiculous!!!!

What happen to Malaysia property nowadays?? I am better start saving money now and wait the house price burst!!!

Hmm... I thought we only pay stamp duty.

ya agree, it's ridiculous...
the same thing I said on MK condo bout 20 years back, the mkt proves me wrong & wrong again..

Hmm... Can we tabulate here what else we need to pay

Here's my understanding for 2 storey
1. S&P Stamping (MOT) ~ 10k
2. Loan Stamping ~ 2.7k

What else?

When purchasing a new property fr developer, basically there are 6 fees incur


1. S&P legal professional fees
2. S&P disbursement
3. Stamp Duty MOT
4. Loan Agreement legal professional fees
5. Loan Agreement disbursement
6. Loan Agreement stamping fees (0.5% of loan amount)


When developer says "free lawyer fees", it could means..

1. Free S&P legal professional fees only OR
2. Free S&P legal professional fees + S&P disbursement OR
3. Free S&P legal professional fees + S&P disbursement + Loan Agreement legal professional fees + Loan Agreement disbursement OR
4. Free S&P legal professional fees + Loan Agreement legal professional fees



When developer says free Stamping fees, it could means...
1.Free Loan Agreement stamping fees (0.5% of loan amount) OR
2. free Stamp Duty MOT

The answer is in bold normally, be careful and dun be mislead by SA

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Aug 2 2011, 09:12 AM