I went in last Sunday. As I observed, overall progress is less than 60%. However, few units are considered 70%, from them, mostly 2 storeys (workers stayed there, with wall and ground flooring done, not higher levels, not stair case). Most other units are less than 40%. Pls refer attachments.


main road separating phase 2b (2, 2.5 storey - left) and 2c (3 storey - right). Sand brick vs Clay


one of 2.5 storey ground floor face


side of 2 corner units (3 storey)


looking down from 1st floor stair (2.5)


view from 1st floor master bedroom (2.5)


neighbouring unit - wall not up yet (2.5)


another view looking at the 2 stairs - going upstair and dining area respectively (2.5)


a "more progressed" 2 storey units (workers occupied)


kitchen area of an end-lot with ceiling height tiling - high layout 27' width (2 storey)


bathroom full height tiling as well (2 storey)


stacked of good quality floor tiles (Feroni) 2' x 2' (2 storey)


partial layed floor tiles (2 storey)


another 2 storey - close up, pretty


rear view of a 2.5 row - notice standard MS facade mixed with MHJ facade


front view of the same 2.5 row - double standard facade...


2.5 again - MS (left) , MHJ (right)... hopefully MS touches can help the 2 to blend with each other
I noticed 2 previous phase units of MHJ facing main road (in white), it's facade seems a lot better than the rest just because of it's colour... So I believe if MS don't use the yellow coating like the MHJ corner show unit, plus with MS finishing touch, things would work fine.

2 storey - MS (left) , MHJ (right) ... edges finishing can be seen much better and refined than previous phase of MHJ


went into a 3 storey - close up on clay brick (the brick glow, seems pretty good quality)


the wall in front of entrance (3 storey) - Neat and Refined....


2.5 storey - sand brick lay

I can see very clearly the stair case of the 3 storey comparing the 2s and 2.5; big difference visibly. the 3s seemed very slick and sturdy while the 2ss were rough and bulky. After googled some info, I find the problem is not developer paying less attention to phase 2B. Rather it's a technical issue:
Sand brick are not good when come to heat resistence, so require thick cement coating to prevent crack / prolong lifespan while clay by its nature is very adaptive to change of temperature, so coating are merely finishing touch. That explain the bulky wall and staircase in the phase 2B which all uses sand brick. Another thing is when thick layer of cement needs to be laid, the requirement for better workmanship, experience and skill (even to mention patience) are crucial. Clay brick also provide better sound proof, so care for the neighbour - light on the woofer and "night indoor exercises".

Hi, thanks for the concern. I found something new today... I have already booked the 2.5 last week. By the way, it's not just the bricks and workmanship, as stated in the latest brochure, only 3 storey comes with solar, acond refrigrant piping, water booster, water filter and intercom to guard house. After my findings of course, I'm eager to switch... Found out switching is not allowed. The only thing to do is cancel booking with penalty (RM2k). Getting the 3 storey is considered as new transaction altogether - and refund of initial booking fee RM28k (after minus penalty) takes about 3mths

The SA stand firm to say it's a company policy, while I thought it's only a matter of paper work. Finally, I found out from MahSing HQ: Phase 2B and 2C are under 2 different developers though project owner is the same (MahSing). So there are rules stated in their agreement with developer to enforce the policy to protect mutual interests.
So, I think I will stick to 2.5 (still pending loan approval )... besides exceeding 1Mil is really out of my measure now. Side note: during first launch, 3storey is priced at exactly current price for 2.5.

To comfort myself, at least I can see clearly the workmanship of some "progressed" 2storeys are good (not losing out even to their show unit facing sales gallery).

On this thought to compare option. I also looked IOI (16Sierra) soon to launch 2storey link house at 838k+;

KR vs 16 Sierra next launch
-total built-up: 3038sf over 2688sf
-landsize: 22x75 lose to 22x80
-avg built-up per level: 1000+sf lose to 1344sf
-GatednGuarded: KR more like Fenced n Guarded lose to Real GnG in 16S
-completion: Next year vs 2yrs from launching
-landtitle: both leasehold
-location: this is subjective depending on owner needs (KR nearer to KL while 16S nearer to Cyber, putrajaya / KLIA)
-nearby shops: few for KR (though nearer to Giant) - 16S has more Giant, Jusco, soon Tesco also, all in Putra Permai (a lot more food court also in Equine and very near to Seri Kembangan when come to Chinese food)
-clubhouse: yes (but rather small) vs none
-facade: modern vs plain (not outdated) ... personally, I think KR 2.5s is prettier than 3s from outside

For me, I would always go for KR... confession: always the look first. And then it's Big. Also I want to get puchong address for my boy (school registration). Otherwise, 16 sierra may be a good option. For 16S project, IOI acquired a huge piece of land and trying to build a townshape trying to replicate Desa Park City. MS Garden Residence in Cyberjaya is trying the same thing, but remaining developments are mostly top-end properties (SemiD/Bangalow).

I see. It's same with KR as well then. I previously thought it was G n G because of the concrete perimeter. Thanks

So, how can one tell if it's the real thing (G n G) ? I am now staying in a real G n G apartment (strata title)... the perimeter is worse than KR phase 2B and 2C ...

I do have the DMC for my apartment stating things like must pay maintenance fee and sinking fund; and compliance to building policy, strictly no hacking (no even for conceal wiring), exterior uniformed colour, grill, acond compressor location, car park and other rules regarding noise, etc

What are the DMC for individual title?

I think there are no "enforced rules" when it comes to gate / fencing in terms of height, material used or whether can see thru or not, it depends on developer deliveries (mine not stated clearly in DMC, just something about gated compound with guard house and 24-hrs security). I remember in another G n G (if anyone heard of Brem Park between Happy Garden and Kuchai - old hang out, close friend place), perimeter were all brick wall (about 6-7 feet) except back side of the compound which were initially fenced (fence shared by the tennis court). I think the court is shared by 2 part of Brem Park. They have 2 guard houses... to cross between the 2 parts, one have to get out from 1 guard house and go in thru the other; or alternative go thru the tennis court (the guard house and court are located at 2 distinct end of compound).

Then again, about GnG or FnG, even though the known governing rules are GnG compound are strata and everything within it are private property (to be maintained privately) while for FnG, the roads and common facilities are for public (maintained by state gov); one would term a private strata compound with non-brick perimeter as FnG.

Exactly what I meant and I 100% agree with you ... but I have friends always argued with me otherwise

I don't think it's a good idea to go in group(s) (not like we are permitted to go in). I went in few times (alone and sometime with a partner). Workers / contractors will look at you as you past by... Imagine if you're in a group of 4, chatting / sighting / seeing like tourists... not good

Wah, they only paid 28k to 50k and getting the same thing as those paying additional 250k to 330k. How can you call that lucky. They must have did something really good in their past lives.

Yea, that's what it seems to be - like the wall split from inside... wonder what could cause this. Think this could be serious. If root problem is not rectified, this may be troublesome in the years to come.

Hi matthewctj,

Thanks for your knowledgeable inputs. A question: Can you pls explain architectural cracks and structural cracks.

Sorry, just edit to ask more.... What's the risk (short / long term) involve for the two scenarios? Any remedies or preventive measures for owners?

This post has been edited by vevex: Feb 28 2012, 04:09 PM

The iprop link could just be a post by estate agent (not owner). I have a relative agent also do that. When interested buyer call, they can contact owner and tell with ready buyer.


The last selling price for 2SS by Mahsing when bumi lot release (back in Jul/Aug 2011) was RM 788,800 for intermediate (22x75) and RM 9xxK for end lot (26 x 75)

Man, how can they pass CONQUAS? This is very bad indeed.

Does the score made known to public? Let's wait for their 3-storey deliveries then.

Any past scores from any Mah Sing's projects? From the feedback so far in KR, MS is not a quality developer...

nice info, thanks for sharing.

I just found the link that led me to overseas projects and found mah sing. However, I can't find kinrara residence. I see projects like Icon, and iParc ... Could it be Kinrara Residence has been dropped altogether?!!

This post has been edited by vevex: Jun 20 2012, 01:30 PM

I think it's a super good price. I remember back in September MS price for remaining units (upgraded) for 2stry was 788K and location was facing junction. Those who bought earlier may even gain more especially the luckiest group who got MHJ then upgraded with relatively tiny sum.

Those MHJ units were bought at much lower price.. even adding whatever upgrade fee still much lower than MS price. So just ponder on the scenarios:
* non-upgraded MHJ, selling at 800k when first owner first bought at 500k
* upgraded MHJ, selling at 800k (some try to sell 900k) when first owner first bought at 500k + 28k
* MS unit, try to sell 900k when first owner bought at 700k

So if market is slow, MHJY they stand better chance in holding power as well as price slash... upgraded MHJ should have some edge in all situations (market good or bad).

I just went to http://www.corenet.gov.sg/homeowners/defau...ENBVEVHT1JJRVM=
and found Kinrara Residence in the list...

Score is only for Phase 2B1 and 2B2. I think those are the 2sty and 2.5sty. And available score is only for Architectural column (maybe other score compilation is yet to complete). Different from what we thought, even 2sty and 2.5sty is under CONQUAS certification. And they are scoring above 70 despite all complains we heard...

So, CONQUAS kept the score for reference only???

Am a bit confused here...


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