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post Sep 20 2010, 11:17 AM

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But I really thought Konchesky was kinda bad too... Most of the time he was caught out of position and Nani manages to drive pass him so many time n he wasn't really quick enough... I was wandering whr the hell is Aurelio wen we really need him...

Looking at the fixtures, the next 2 games are at Anfield and few more away but nt really with tough teams so I hope we could get more points out of this games... The next big games is in November when they host Chelsea at Anfield... Hope things will change by then...

On the 2nd goal actually Konchesky could have saved it as he was supposed to be the post man but I wasn't really sure what he was doing by standing slightly further away from post n hiding behind Reina... sad.gif

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QUOTE(cheez @ Sep 20 2010, 02:29 AM)
wow, after reading through so many pages, not even a single one of you mentioned NGOG??
Have you guys noticed it was after Ngog came in, then we had the 2 goals?

Before Ngog, Torres had nowhere to run, being heavily marked by defenders, he could do minimal damage. I barely saw a great run from him before Ngog.

After Ngog, Torres was freed up a bit and resulting in better runs and eventually got us the penalty and free kick. Also, I could see Ngog almost everywhere around the pitch. He even ran all the way back to our D box to snatch the ball off scholes' feet!

This kid is maturing and will be a key player soon. I rated him and Babel very high, however Babel is still finding it difficult to shine. Ngog is showing a glimpse of his potential. Although he didn't score, he made a big impact in the game!

Other than that, I think you guys should go easy on the team.

Although the team lost, I'm still happy in supporting Liverpool FC. When I heard "You'll Never Walk Alone" when we're down 2-0, it again reassures me that we are supporting the best club in the world. No matter the team are ahead or trailing, we're still backing them up.

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We are waiting for you to mention Ngog wink.gif

QUOTE(solstice818 @ Sep 20 2010, 07:15 AM)
I seriously thought Reina could have done better with the 2nd and third goal.For the 2nd, he didnt even try to save it...Just stood there and let it in.If he try and jump and it still went in, I have nth to say.The thing is he didnt even try anything!same goes with the 3rd, made the wrong judgement.A slight of confusion in him maybe...The normal reina could have save it...
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Bro, 2nd goal how to save oh?
Carragher blocked the view and Reina had no sight on the ball...
Plus, the ball is lobbing into the net before hitting the post.... I guess Cech has difficulty to save it as well..
Anyway, the 3rd goal nth to say lah, Reina just stood ther...
But Carra should have done better biggrin.gif

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post Sep 20 2010, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Sep 20 2010, 11:14 AM)
our defence is constantly being bombarded because we dont have a tireless defensive midfielder who ran every blade of grass to nullify the opponents. Its been a sore point but some delusional LFc fans cannot see that fact. ok fine.  We been clearly exposed. I cant even recognised half LFc players, its much like a bottom table team assembled. We are LIVERPOOL FC, a team Manu fears playing then, not now, not when RH is there, not when we are in a huge crisis.

again, we will be still be ask not to be negative, but i can help feel sicken to the fact there we are even worse than graeme souness clueless LFc.

I'm asked to see last night game as a REAL turnaround of RH's Liverpool. The excuses for is already now more then all the years rafa was in charge.

If we get our points deducted (the tussle between RBS/cowboys), I'm pretty sure we will be fighting for relagation. that's is the reality. thats how bloody poor Liverpool has become. we are not the messenger of doom, but clearly the signs have all been there but we are butt delusional & arrogant to see that.

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post Sep 20 2010, 11:23 AM

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This is the result if Liv continue let opponent to bombarb your goal.

Sometimes, need to take initiative to attack.
Now seem like every match, just let opponent attack (even WBA attacked Liv constantly), and just hoping some magic moment, some counter attack, hooping the ball up to Torres and doing some magic and win 1-0.
Even Blackpool is more energetic and play more positively.


Added on September 20, 2010, 11:26 am
QUOTE(all blacks @ Sep 20 2010, 11:17 AM)
But I really thought Konchesky was kinda bad too... Most of the time he was caught out of position and Nani manages to drive pass him so many time n he wasn't really quick enough... I was wandering whr the hell is Aurelio wen we really need him...

Looking at the fixtures, the next 2 games are at Anfield and few more away but nt really with tough teams so I hope we could get more points out of this games... The next big games is in November when they host Chelsea at Anfield... Hope things will change by then...

On the 2nd goal actually Konchesky could have saved it as he was supposed to be the post man but I wasn't really sure what he was doing by standing slightly further away from post n hiding behind Reina... sad.gif
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This was the 1st goal, Konchesky should be standing glueing with the post, but somehow, he was more central behind Reina. As if he was there, 1st goal can be cleared.

Nani is handy for most fullback when he is on form time, to be fair.

If financial situation doesn't sort out, as well as new stadium, Liv has every chance to repeat Leeds or Newcastle path, or same level with Everton.

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The last 10 minutes were honestly nerve-breaking to watch. You could see the whole team staying in the box and either kept losing or just not interested in fighting for possession.

Such a waste that we did not manage to take away a point from the game after gotten back the two goals. The first goal was painfully disappointing as I thought it was a soft one and usually there would be one defender standing at the post side (can't remember which of the baldies that was there and IMO, he rather blocked Reina from getting to it as well).
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post Sep 20 2010, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(all blacks @ Sep 20 2010, 12:22 PM)
The next Leeds?
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gullible fans still believe in the american lies. if hick gets his way, how can we ever condemn world class players leaving us. we are stacked like a deck of cards & already the foundation is weak to begin with.

I wish not of the ill path but there are too many ill signs to suggest we are a like an sickening runaway train when rafa was sacked.

thanks fergie for the support of RH who is in talking friendly terms with you. It makes realise how much a threat he the fat spainish was to you. Football is war, winning thropies is serious. I dont see generals need to be licking your sandals everytime topic of english football (our rivalry) is mentioned. doh.gif
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post Sep 20 2010, 11:43 AM

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Roy Hodgson has faced a number of niggling criticisms since taking charge of Liverpool. The majority of which are concerned with tactics, formations and player purchases.

One further issue though, which is certainly starting to grate on the nerves of some supporters, is the way Hodgson has spoken in the media. For the moment, Hodgson is still very much the media's darling. An English manager who worked wonders at Fulham and has landed a job at one of the biggest clubs in the country. What Hodgson has to realise though is precisely that - Liverpool are the most decorated club in England and supporters expect that their tradition is respected and the club aim to win every match they play.

Realistically Liverpool won't challenge for the title this season, it would be nieve to think so, but hearing such statements from the man in charge are still deflating.

Rafa Benitez was never a manager to elaborate much. When talking to the press, Benitez firmly held his cards to his chest. One thing he did emphasise though was the importance of trying to win every game. No matter how he felt inside the Spaniard always presented an upbeat front, upholding the tradition that Liverpool would try and win everything they entered, even if sometimes it was never possible.

It's the kind of fighting talk that Roy is lacking at the moment. Life as a Liverpool supporter is grim enough at the moment, but the manager must exhibit some sort of positivity. Take the recent games against West Brom and Birmingham. Here are some of Hodgson's quotes after the repsective matches;

"We had to fight very, very hard for it, all credit to West Brom for doing so well. Also, credit to our lads because these games are very difficult games - luckily the class of Gerrard and Torres won us the game. This is a very good result, if West Brom play like that every week they will get points off quite a few teams."

It's a cliche that there's no easy games in football, but seriously, West Brom at home? The comment about relying on Gerrard and Torres is a painful one. Liverpool have a number of quality international footballers who should be miffed at such a quote - it definitely demeans the rest of the squad.

"I think coming to Birmingham and playing against a team in such good form, 17 games unbeaten at home, we can feel satisfied at least that we won a hard-earned point. It was important to come here today and not lose the game because if we had of done we have Manchester United next and it makes life difficult for you."

Hodgson is right to imply that Birmingham away is potentially a tricky fixture, but to state that it was imperative not to get beat with Manchester United coming next insinuates that he's not exactly hopefuly for the trip to Old Trafford.

Most recently of course, Hodgson has re-affirmed his friendship for Mr. Ferguson. Not a good thing to do when you manage Liverpool. Ferguson has had countless swipes at Liverpool down the years and continues to do so. Befriending the opposing manager of your fiercest rivals probably isn't the best way to endear yourself to an Anfield faithful. By all means, Hodgson has a right to be Ferguson's chum, just don't openly state it in public.

The new man in charge must grasp the philosophy of Liverpool football club before supporters become totally disorientated with proceedings. Perhaps managing a club with the ethos of Fulham, a London club forever in the shadow of much bigger sides, has ingrained the way Hodgson talks. 'Little 'Old Fulham' were the underdogs throughout their Europa League campaign but Hodgson is in different waters now and the quicker he realises that the better.

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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Sep 20 2010, 11:13 AM)
- the loan of aquaman - the team lack of creativity
I don't actually see releasing Aquilani as a mistake. I see buying him as a bigger mistake because he made no contribution as he was either sick, injured, or too fragile. 20 million down the drain.

QUOTE(all blacks @ Sep 20 2010, 11:17 AM)
On the 2nd goal actually Konchesky could have saved it as he was supposed to be the post man but I wasn't really sure what he was doing by standing slightly further away from post n hiding behind Reina... sad.gif
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Spot on. When I watched the replay last night, Konchesky started on the post, but moved to the middle as the ball went past him. He should have stuck to the post because that's where players aim their headers, to steer the ball farthest away from the keeper as possible
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 20 2010, 11:53 AM)
I don't actually see releasing Aquilani as a mistake. I see buying him as a bigger mistake because he made no contribution as he was either sick, injured, or too fragile. 20 million down the drain.
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i mean the mistake in start of this season not 2 season ago biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Sep 20 2010, 11:37 AM)
gullible fans still believe in the american lies. if hick gets his way, how can we ever condemn world class players leaving us. we are stacked like a deck of cards & already the foundation is weak to begin with.

I wish not of the ill path but there are too many ill signs to suggest we are a like an sickening runaway train when rafa was sacked.

thanks fergie for the support of RH who is in talking friendly terms with you. It makes realise how much a threat he the fat spainish was to you. Football is war, winning thropies is serious. I dont see generals need to be licking your sandals everytime topic of english football (our rivalry) is mentioned.  doh.gif
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Damn yanks are going to refinance their loans again. Seriously, if this were 10 years ago, there would be little doubt we'd collapse the same way Leeds did. Our saving grace is that billionaires are looking for a new hobby and football is near top of the list. Now if only those two clowns would just cut their losses and leave.


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QUOTE(hoooooo @ Sep 20 2010, 12:17 PM)
liverpool sucks. benitez suck big time. so do hogson. no UCL for them again next season for sure
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The lack of insight in your statement is surpassed only but your apparent lack in intelect.

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post Sep 20 2010, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(clsiluf @ Sep 20 2010, 12:22 AM)
last season carragher also the last man to hold owen yet not  sending off yawn.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 20 2010, 12:33 AM)
To be fair,
Liv has been getting away from several potential penalty in the past few games even this game, especially our defenders nowadays like to holds on opponent shirt during set-piece and corner kick time.  sweat.gif

Even it ended up a draw, there still lot of worry on the performance side.
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lets not drag this into some historical statistical nonsense. this is per case basis. if you guys wanna do a count, i bet you would've been ashamed to name all incidences whistling.gif

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 20 2010, 01:19 PM)
Damn yanks are going to refinance their loans again. Seriously, if this were 10 years ago, there would be little doubt we'd collapse the same way Leeds did. Our saving grace is that billionaires are looking for a new hobby and football is near top of the list. Now if only those two clowns would just cut their losses and leave.
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We apparently conviced both torres & gerrard that likely new owners is well on the horizon before the start of the season (for them to reaffirm with us) on carrot too was joe cole signing for us (little did we know, united (fergie specifically) turn down that opportunity before we got him. it seems we werent really his preferred desitination as we are led to believe

I havent had a single GOOD news of liverpool fc. Almost everything it seems a stack of continuos deception that is piling & burdening LFC & his loyal LFc fans.

THIS BY FAR IS THE MOST FUSTRATING PERIOD OF LIVERPOOL EVER I HAVE SEEN. < it is not far fetch.













we now have west ham, everton, Wigan, stoke & wolves for company. cool2.gif sign we use to rub shoulders with real madrid, barcelona, arsenal, chelsea




we are still in la-la land? that its only belief alone we will rise up in ranks?
We need a got damn red pill & not the blue pill to wake & smell the dumps we are in.

take the god d#mn red pill you fellas. We were made to be rubbish by the cowboys & not rafa.

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in all honesty i did expect the mancs to win this match but the manner of how they won just leaves me gutted..to come back from 2 goals down when we were piss poor and to conceed another goal minutes later.

You got to wonder what happened to our defense it was pretty non-existant tragically, and everytime MU pressed us up high, we hoofed the ball we have a ball playing CB in Agger but he's getting wasted on the bench or getting shunted to the left. you cant put square pegs in round hole Roy. Ill still support him but for the love of god grow a pair and be more positive from this match onwards

At least he brought in Ngog for Maxi who had an appaling match.Time to give Babel a run in the team

Now our next 5 matches before Chelsea are against may i say lower class opposition funny since this coming from a supporter that supports a fast becoming lower class team. Lets see how it goes and our play improves for the better and say what you want about Gerrard but Ive made my mind about him. What a legend and it would be criminal for him not to get a BPL title which would be impossible he if still remains at Liverpool. His legacy will remain intact if he ever decides to leave LiverpoolFC for another BPL club

just off topic, had massive fun in Somo glad to see many fellow Reds coming together for this match. was smashed by the end of the match.hope to see many of you guys attending the next viewing as well! smile.gif
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QUOTE(LukeMjstc @ Sep 20 2010, 10:08 AM)
Troller? How f***ing can someone save that second goal?
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The fact that he didnt even attempt to jump or save it, piss me off. Period.
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it is gonna be a frustrating period for us, so hang in there guys. some people would say the uncertainty about the issues of our owners and debts influenced the matters on field but i blv players are professional enough to try their best to do their job on the pitch as these issues are out of their hands. at the rate we are going, we are gonna lose our top players, n we might even have to go through a major rebuilding. that is not what roy was brought in for. talking about the first goal, after the first corner, konchesky went from the far post to near post realising the threat, but somehow we still concede, so all in all, its our own failings in defending that cost us 2 goals, though the 2nd goal from berba was brilliant with a tiny bit of luck tho not many players could have done that smile.gif

some of u blame the lack of creativity but i'd blame it on the narrow play n absence of natural width to widen the play and opening up spaces and also minimal running behind defenders.. esp considering we had most of the possession
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QUOTE(-nana- @ Sep 20 2010, 02:06 PM)

some of u blame the lack of creativity but i'd blame it on the narrow play n absence of natural width to widen the play and opening up spaces and also minimal running behind defenders.. esp considering we had most of the possession
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It is not just creativity alone, (although it does), currently the team seem can't string passes or exchange passes accurately, let alone the creativity.
The only accurate passes are between defender and midfield only, once beyond opponent half, players look loss, little off the ball running to create space for midfielder to pass, as well as midfielders don't create passes and space to the forwards, except a few occassion primary through Joe Cole.

Arsenal always play quite narror, yet, their passes is damn good and can create spaces for themselves even in a narrow and crowded situation.
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lets just dont mention anything mor about the owners. its ancient, and its tiring.

i think we have better chance of replacing manager than owners now.

MON is available, linked to us by one website (i forgot the name, certainly not sun or goal.com), i see go for it MON. RH is just clueless. friends with SAF? no liverpool manager should be made to look like an idiot by our biggest enemy

and the way we play, just back to the once boring pounce-and-hope type. our defenders are just a panic bunch or clueless people. heck our backline are old timers, why are we panicking for? shakehead.gif

watching torres' body language just made me cry. it feels like you are trying so hard yet there's nothing you can do. other than gerrard, reina and meireles, the rest of the team are just unreliable at the moment

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 20 2010, 12:19 PM)
Damn yanks are going to refinance their loans again. Seriously, if this were 10 years ago, there would be little doubt we'd collapse the same way Leeds did. Our saving grace is that billionaires are looking for a new hobby and football is near top of the list. Now if only those two clowns would just cut their losses and leave.


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The lack of insight in your statement is surpassed only but your apparent lack in intelect.
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i know one of them is trying but i thought there were resistance from the board and perhaps RBS? or its all just what we Malaysian call `wayang'...
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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Sep 20 2010, 11:17 AM)
1st goal u dont blame torres not markin bbtov well?
2nd goal u dont blame skrtel or carra not markin bbtov?
3rd goal u dont blame carra lost aerial against bbtov?

all 3 goal are caused by poor MARKING
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I can't disagree with this..It's just poor defending..And notice something here..all their goals were from crosses..against birmingham also we struggle defending crosses..very obvious weakness so far..i wish we had a 30 year old hyypia now..we really need to improve on defense..especially in dealing with crosses..
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skrtel and carra had been very solid with crosses, wonder what happened this season?

where is aurelio? sick again? or still sick? why do we even want to keep a player we can use 5 games per season. we are not using our resources correctly

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