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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2010, Do Your Part, Save The Club!

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post Sep 20 2010, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(kadS @ Sep 20 2010, 01:35 AM)
view from not a fan of both teams, i wud blame reina for all the goals.
2nd goal lack of judgment or hes been slow
3rd goal lack of judgment but more like not even trying

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2nd goal is defend mistake. same with 1st and 3rd goal. heading ball is not so easy to save.


Added on September 20, 2010, 9:54 am
QUOTE(arvil22 @ Sep 20 2010, 01:52 AM)
harris strikes again??? rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

u cant believe of what soccernet tell u.


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post Sep 20 2010, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(Max_07s @ Sep 20 2010, 09:53 AM)
2nd goal is defend mistake. same with 1st and 3rd goal. heading ball is not so easy to save.


Added on September 20, 2010, 9:54 am

harris strikes again??? rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

u cant believe of what soccernet tell u.
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if yes , Liverpool will no longer European G14 very soon , Chelsea/Arsenal will officially represent BPL with Man utd
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post Sep 20 2010, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(kadS @ Sep 20 2010, 09:35 AM)
view from not a fan of both teams, i wud blame reina for all the goals.
2nd goal lack of judgment or hes been slow
3rd goal lack of judgment but more like not even trying

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Troller? How f***ing can someone save that second goal?
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post Sep 20 2010, 10:10 AM

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what a match between man u and liverpool. meireless look like a mini-sheneider to me haha not sure why he was replace. i tot he is better than poulsen. poulsen is good while defending but he didnt contribute much in attacking.

the only one with the hunger to beat man u last nite was torres. he keep pressuring man u defender. his work rate is incredible.
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post Sep 20 2010, 10:15 AM

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While watching the game last night, I was thinking, I will not blame big names like Torres or Gerrard to leave next season.
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post Sep 20 2010, 10:34 AM

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honestly, it doesn't matter to me if the scums win number 19 this season or no, all I'm hoping is just to bounce back and challenge the top 4 again. Am in no mood to post all my rants on RH, I thought we were great at defending and dull when it comes to attacking, I change my thoughts, we are now neither good at defending or attacking. Where are all the critics? Why blame Torres Jamie? I thought you have always liked to blame managers, oh wait, Rafa is Spanish
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Sep 20 2010, 10:34 AM)
honestly, it doesn't matter to me if the scums win number 19 this season or no, all I'm hoping is just to bounce back and challenge the top 4 again. Am in no mood to post all my rants on RH, I thought we were great at defending and dull when it comes to attacking, I change my thoughts, we are now neither good at defending or attacking. Where are all the critics? Why blame Torres Jamie? I thought you have always liked to blame managers, oh wait, Rafa is Spanish
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I've i've always respected anyone who wore our coveted Red jersey.....even if they were not a big hit in terms of success and trophies....except for one...Diouf...whom i label as a disgrace..(Michael Owen...well....too controversial of a topic....)

sadly, if Jamie is not misquoted by the press.......he is becoming one (at least to my eyes)....


Added on September 20, 2010, 10:40 am
QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 20 2010, 10:22 AM)
That aside, we offered nothing as an attacking force and I can now understand why Hodgson's Fulham were abysmal away.

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i am now worried....Blackburn became dull and insipid under Roy as well...oh dear..

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post Sep 20 2010, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(LukeMjstc @ Sep 20 2010, 10:08 AM)
Troller? How f***ing can someone save that second goal?
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There is no need to over-react to an opinion even if it is from a neutral fan. Please try to be a little more accomodating so that discussions can actually happen. This isn't an exclusive thread and I'd personally like it if more neutrals were to come in. If you disagree, post something constructive.
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I guess we were quite lucky with yesterdays match, 2 goals without much attacking is nt bad... But im not impressed with the teams performance but im nt disappointed either... We went in with 4 new players in our first 11 n its juz early session... It takes time for the players to gel around so we should give RH some time..

Juz take Man City for example there are games wic they drew n even lost nt bcoz they weren't gud its bcoz tactically it went wrong n also some of them couldn't gel together...

I think the team will start to perform to their full potential some where mid session, but it wil b better if its sooner... Im starting to miz Kuyt, hope so he recovers fast n how nice would it b if Benayoun was still here, Maxi did pretty bad yesterday...

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post Sep 20 2010, 11:06 AM

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IMHO, its not only Maxi, Johnson also bad last night. in fact he was poor in last a few matches. maybe because of no Kuyt helping him during defending.

but Meireles quite good. our 5 matches only 5 points. it is poor start but we face 3 tough teams. so maybe we can expect many points after this.
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post Sep 20 2010, 11:13 AM

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the mistake of liverpool when season starting which can cost us
- the sale of riera > team lack of proper crossing
- the loan of aquaman - the team lack of creativity
- the chance of getting vdv > the team need creativity

the change needed for upcoming match
- maxi replace by babel > young and more speedy
- poulsen or lucas > 1 DM is enuff
- partner for torres > either ngok , jovanovuc or pacheco
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post Sep 20 2010, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(-nana- @ Sep 20 2010, 12:28 AM)
taking into account from both games against birmingham n manu, i can see we look really shaky defending crosses.. at times we are so easily opened up and another talking point would be we play so narrow at times i feel like we are playing the diamond formation.  doh.gif
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our defence is constantly being bombarded because we dont have a tireless defensive midfielder who ran every blade of grass to nullify the opponents. Its been a sore point but some delusional LFc fans cannot see that fact. ok fine. We been clearly exposed. I cant even recognised half LFc players, its much like a bottom table team assembled. We are LIVERPOOL FC, a team Manu fears playing then, not now, not when RH is there, not when we are in a huge crisis.

again, we will be still be ask not to be negative, but i can help feel sicken to the fact there we are even worse than graeme souness clueless LFc.

I'm asked to see last night game as a REAL turnaround of RH's Liverpool. The excuses for is already now more then all the years rafa was in charge.

If we get our points deducted (the tussle between RBS/cowboys), I'm pretty sure we will be fighting for relagation. that's is the reality. thats how bloody poor Liverpool has become. we are not the messenger of doom, but clearly the signs have all been there but we are butt delusional & arrogant to see that.

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QUOTE(kadS @ Sep 20 2010, 09:35 AM)
view from not a fan of both teams, i wud blame reina for all the goals.
2nd goal lack of judgment or hes been slow
3rd goal lack of judgment but more like not even trying

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1st goal u dont blame torres not markin bbtov well?
2nd goal u dont blame skrtel or carra not markin bbtov?
3rd goal u dont blame carra lost aerial against bbtov?

all 3 goal are caused by poor MARKING
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But I really thought Konchesky was kinda bad too... Most of the time he was caught out of position and Nani manages to drive pass him so many time n he wasn't really quick enough... I was wandering whr the hell is Aurelio wen we really need him...

Looking at the fixtures, the next 2 games are at Anfield and few more away but nt really with tough teams so I hope we could get more points out of this games... The next big games is in November when they host Chelsea at Anfield... Hope things will change by then...

On the 2nd goal actually Konchesky could have saved it as he was supposed to be the post man but I wasn't really sure what he was doing by standing slightly further away from post n hiding behind Reina... sad.gif

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QUOTE(cheez @ Sep 20 2010, 02:29 AM)
wow, after reading through so many pages, not even a single one of you mentioned NGOG??
Have you guys noticed it was after Ngog came in, then we had the 2 goals?

Before Ngog, Torres had nowhere to run, being heavily marked by defenders, he could do minimal damage. I barely saw a great run from him before Ngog.

After Ngog, Torres was freed up a bit and resulting in better runs and eventually got us the penalty and free kick. Also, I could see Ngog almost everywhere around the pitch. He even ran all the way back to our D box to snatch the ball off scholes' feet!

This kid is maturing and will be a key player soon. I rated him and Babel very high, however Babel is still finding it difficult to shine. Ngog is showing a glimpse of his potential. Although he didn't score, he made a big impact in the game!

Other than that, I think you guys should go easy on the team.

Although the team lost, I'm still happy in supporting Liverpool FC. When I heard "You'll Never Walk Alone" when we're down 2-0, it again reassures me that we are supporting the best club in the world. No matter the team are ahead or trailing, we're still backing them up.

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We are waiting for you to mention Ngog wink.gif

QUOTE(solstice818 @ Sep 20 2010, 07:15 AM)
I seriously thought Reina could have done better with the 2nd and third goal.For the 2nd, he didnt even try to save it...Just stood there and let it in.If he try and jump and it still went in, I have nth to say.The thing is he didnt even try anything!same goes with the 3rd, made the wrong judgement.A slight of confusion in him maybe...The normal reina could have save it...
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Bro, 2nd goal how to save oh?
Carragher blocked the view and Reina had no sight on the ball...
Plus, the ball is lobbing into the net before hitting the post.... I guess Cech has difficulty to save it as well..
Anyway, the 3rd goal nth to say lah, Reina just stood ther...
But Carra should have done better biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Sep 20 2010, 11:14 AM)
our defence is constantly being bombarded because we dont have a tireless defensive midfielder who ran every blade of grass to nullify the opponents. Its been a sore point but some delusional LFc fans cannot see that fact. ok fine.  We been clearly exposed. I cant even recognised half LFc players, its much like a bottom table team assembled. We are LIVERPOOL FC, a team Manu fears playing then, not now, not when RH is there, not when we are in a huge crisis.

again, we will be still be ask not to be negative, but i can help feel sicken to the fact there we are even worse than graeme souness clueless LFc.

I'm asked to see last night game as a REAL turnaround of RH's Liverpool. The excuses for is already now more then all the years rafa was in charge.

If we get our points deducted (the tussle between RBS/cowboys), I'm pretty sure we will be fighting for relagation. that's is the reality. thats how bloody poor Liverpool has become. we are not the messenger of doom, but clearly the signs have all been there but we are butt delusional & arrogant to see that.

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The next Leeds?
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This is the result if Liv continue let opponent to bombarb your goal.

Sometimes, need to take initiative to attack.
Now seem like every match, just let opponent attack (even WBA attacked Liv constantly), and just hoping some magic moment, some counter attack, hooping the ball up to Torres and doing some magic and win 1-0.
Even Blackpool is more energetic and play more positively.


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QUOTE(all blacks @ Sep 20 2010, 11:17 AM)
But I really thought Konchesky was kinda bad too... Most of the time he was caught out of position and Nani manages to drive pass him so many time n he wasn't really quick enough... I was wandering whr the hell is Aurelio wen we really need him...

Looking at the fixtures, the next 2 games are at Anfield and few more away but nt really with tough teams so I hope we could get more points out of this games... The next big games is in November when they host Chelsea at Anfield... Hope things will change by then...

On the 2nd goal actually Konchesky could have saved it as he was supposed to be the post man but I wasn't really sure what he was doing by standing slightly further away from post n hiding behind Reina... sad.gif
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This was the 1st goal, Konchesky should be standing glueing with the post, but somehow, he was more central behind Reina. As if he was there, 1st goal can be cleared.

Nani is handy for most fullback when he is on form time, to be fair.

If financial situation doesn't sort out, as well as new stadium, Liv has every chance to repeat Leeds or Newcastle path, or same level with Everton.

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The last 10 minutes were honestly nerve-breaking to watch. You could see the whole team staying in the box and either kept losing or just not interested in fighting for possession.

Such a waste that we did not manage to take away a point from the game after gotten back the two goals. The first goal was painfully disappointing as I thought it was a soft one and usually there would be one defender standing at the post side (can't remember which of the baldies that was there and IMO, he rather blocked Reina from getting to it as well).
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QUOTE(all blacks @ Sep 20 2010, 12:22 PM)
The next Leeds?
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gullible fans still believe in the american lies. if hick gets his way, how can we ever condemn world class players leaving us. we are stacked like a deck of cards & already the foundation is weak to begin with.

I wish not of the ill path but there are too many ill signs to suggest we are a like an sickening runaway train when rafa was sacked.

thanks fergie for the support of RH who is in talking friendly terms with you. It makes realise how much a threat he the fat spainish was to you. Football is war, winning thropies is serious. I dont see generals need to be licking your sandals everytime topic of english football (our rivalry) is mentioned. doh.gif
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taken from http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=263381.0

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Roy Hodgson has faced a number of niggling criticisms since taking charge of Liverpool. The majority of which are concerned with tactics, formations and player purchases.

One further issue though, which is certainly starting to grate on the nerves of some supporters, is the way Hodgson has spoken in the media. For the moment, Hodgson is still very much the media's darling. An English manager who worked wonders at Fulham and has landed a job at one of the biggest clubs in the country. What Hodgson has to realise though is precisely that - Liverpool are the most decorated club in England and supporters expect that their tradition is respected and the club aim to win every match they play.

Realistically Liverpool won't challenge for the title this season, it would be nieve to think so, but hearing such statements from the man in charge are still deflating.

Rafa Benitez was never a manager to elaborate much. When talking to the press, Benitez firmly held his cards to his chest. One thing he did emphasise though was the importance of trying to win every game. No matter how he felt inside the Spaniard always presented an upbeat front, upholding the tradition that Liverpool would try and win everything they entered, even if sometimes it was never possible.

It's the kind of fighting talk that Roy is lacking at the moment. Life as a Liverpool supporter is grim enough at the moment, but the manager must exhibit some sort of positivity. Take the recent games against West Brom and Birmingham. Here are some of Hodgson's quotes after the repsective matches;

"We had to fight very, very hard for it, all credit to West Brom for doing so well. Also, credit to our lads because these games are very difficult games - luckily the class of Gerrard and Torres won us the game. This is a very good result, if West Brom play like that every week they will get points off quite a few teams."

It's a cliche that there's no easy games in football, but seriously, West Brom at home? The comment about relying on Gerrard and Torres is a painful one. Liverpool have a number of quality international footballers who should be miffed at such a quote - it definitely demeans the rest of the squad.

"I think coming to Birmingham and playing against a team in such good form, 17 games unbeaten at home, we can feel satisfied at least that we won a hard-earned point. It was important to come here today and not lose the game because if we had of done we have Manchester United next and it makes life difficult for you."

Hodgson is right to imply that Birmingham away is potentially a tricky fixture, but to state that it was imperative not to get beat with Manchester United coming next insinuates that he's not exactly hopefuly for the trip to Old Trafford.

Most recently of course, Hodgson has re-affirmed his friendship for Mr. Ferguson. Not a good thing to do when you manage Liverpool. Ferguson has had countless swipes at Liverpool down the years and continues to do so. Befriending the opposing manager of your fiercest rivals probably isn't the best way to endear yourself to an Anfield faithful. By all means, Hodgson has a right to be Ferguson's chum, just don't openly state it in public.

The new man in charge must grasp the philosophy of Liverpool football club before supporters become totally disorientated with proceedings. Perhaps managing a club with the ethos of Fulham, a London club forever in the shadow of much bigger sides, has ingrained the way Hodgson talks. 'Little 'Old Fulham' were the underdogs throughout their Europa League campaign but Hodgson is in different waters now and the quicker he realises that the better.


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