it's better to use this sentences.

excessive rice will make u fat..
we still need carb.. and it's one of it.. either u prefer simple carb or complex it's up to ur choice...

I don't eat rice but more veggies, tofu, chicken etc.
And noodles made from veggies.

Cannot eat anything rice based (rice cake, bihun); headache.
Weird me.



I watched this health show 'Vitamin' on KBS World [391]
You guys should watch it.
Rerun this Sunday at 11.40pm.

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Episode regarding obesity.
They mentioned leptin (I asked about it few posted above).
Multivitamins, vitamin C, Omega 3, Coenzyme Q10 etc.

The programme said those stuff can help losing weight.
Each of us have different body functions.
Losing weight and burning fat need extra help from supplements

Alcohol/liquor prevents weight loss.

You guys should watch it and share your opinions here.




This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Jan 27 2011, 09:16 PM

I lost weight from 57kg to less than 51kg in 3 months time. I still eat rice regularly. Just cut down on fried food consumption, fast/junk food and most IMPORTANTLY, exercise!

I STOPPED eating fried and fast food since 2010.

TOO MUCH rice (and other carbohydrates and to generalize, too much food intake) will make you fat. No need to say just rice. And if i cut down my rice, but doubled my fried chicken intake daily, i will lose weight that way? its not just as simple as eating less rice.

i watched that particular episode the other day i think. its the one where 4 different doctors giving 4 different tips izit?

based on my personal experiences, i agreed and disagreed with some of what they said. For example, the "true story" of the actor who lost 12kg in 6 weeks is impossible for me to believe. Ask around members here, after all the exercise they did for two months, how much did they lose? nowhere near 12kg i believe. Some of the tips given makes sense, for example we should change our habit of light breakfast, heavy dinner meals (especially chinese style) because we would utilize more energy from early in the day rather than late at night. But some of what they say are very skeptical as well.

Something to ponder on: Do you think our style of meal, especially asian style, are having too much carb proportion? i think this is due to the "norm" from our forefathers. Back 100 years ago, our grandads worked hard in the field, in farms, in mines etc and as such had to eat a lot of carbs as energy for their work. Plus meals like chicken, fish etc are considered as luxury so they will eat more rice than these dishes. But in this modern day, most of us work in office, sitting or standing and barely walking for 8 hours a day. Yet we eat the same amount of food, especially carbs as those from the olden days. the amount of carbs and energy we had daily will definitely not be utilized as much as our grandads. what do you think? is your rice/noodles/bread intake outweights the protein, vege and fruits proportion by a lot? Do you think reducing the amount of rice but increase protein and vege in a meal will help in fat loss?

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True.

But I think the diet of our forefathers were better than us.

Back then there's no fast food, MSG etc.

That's why some of them can live till 100++ years old.

Us? 20's already died of heart attack.

hey guys ..i read through the thread and realized a few points that would help in helping me in reducing my weight ..

a) Reduce carbohydrate

b) Exercise regularly

Do i have to adjust my eating order ?
Well, I drank those Carrefour 3 in 1 OAT in the morning and the afternoon for breakfast and lunch . As for dinner , I go for normal dinner which encompasses of rice and dishes such as vegetable , chicken and even fish .

Please enlighten me in my eating order .

Thanks ~

you should eat normal during breakfast or lunch. Why eating so much when you are going to sleep. Sleeping no need much energy

I hate reposting guys, but I really need this info, and there is too much conflicting info on the web to know the truth

1) Both.

2) Both

I answered the above 2 with the assumption that your 'weight loss' is actually 'to look better/fitter' rather than 'lose weight to be stick thin'. Muscle developent will aid you in burning off calories during workouts and give you that fit athletic frame you see on most actors and athletes. Without muscle development, you will just be....thin.

3) This is up to you. I usually finish my weights first if I want to cardio because of safety reasons. Being exhausted on the treadmill isn't half as bad as being exhausted with a bar full of heavy weights above my head.

4) Depends. I assume you intend your upper body to grow after a strength workout. If you feed it enough through your diet, it will. However, if you go for a run and there isn't enough energy to go around, your body will start cannibalizing muscle to fuel your run. While I wouldn't go as far as to say all your gains are lost, I would definitely say that your gains will not be as substantial as it could. There are just so many variables to address here, I cannot give you a definitive answer unless you provide a very specific scenario. Worried about losing gains? Knock back a protein shake 60 minutes into your strength workout and it should have an effective anti-catabolic effect. If you're running to burn off fat, you might want to consider lower intensity longer duration cardio after your workouts.

5) You cannot turn into the Hulk if you do not have a burning desire to do so. Even if you had an all-encompassing desire to turn into the mean, green giant, on a normal diet and workout everyday till you puke, the answer would still be 'No'. Those big guys (Respect bros) gracing the covers of bodybuilding mags put in so much effort unseen from the general public that it would be almost imporssible for the average Joe to turn out like them. You will get more powerful muscles for sure, so stop worrying.

6) Yes. Stop working out and stop eating, I bet you any amount of money they'll shrink like twigs. If you are talking about altering the general shape, then the answer is 'No'.

7) a) Yes
b) Do me a favour. Go to whoever who said this to you, and shoot the person in the head. Then shoot the person again just in case.

8) Here's a link to the sticky at the bodybuilding section.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/371250

Remember, working out is only HALF the story, The other half is your diet. Unless you address both, you will never be optimal.

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Added on January 28, 2011, 6:50 pmI would disagree. The diet of our forefathers was riddled with so many nutritional holes but this was unrecorded prior to the modern age.We cannot say that Cancer and Heart Attacks never existed a thousand years ago, they most probably did. But then people just died of them and everyone sort of accepted that it was of natural causes.

Some of our forefathers lived till they were over 100, but some people nowadays do! Take a look at the oldest person in the world right now. And the life expectancy of the average person today is much older than those in the middle ages. Back then, you'd be lucky to survive past 40 with poor healthcare, misinformation and disease.

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Added on January 28, 2011, 7:00 pmCarbs do not make you fat. Rice does not make you fat. In fact, double cheeseburgers do not make you fat.
I had the burger last night and rice for lunch today and I can still see my abs.

Your lifestyle makes you fat. And the general lifestyle is generally made up of 'No exercise or an excuse not to', 'Lack of knowledge in diet and nutrition' and 'lack of discipline'. All these factors combine to make you....FAT. Carbs aren't the enemy, you can go low carbs and get fat if you consume the same calories in veggies and meat. There are so many things to address I'll just get the main ones in. Get your exercise. Learn about what food does and apply it to your diet. Stick to it. That's it.

I hear so many people saying they don't have time to exercise and I call 'Bulls**t'. Touch wood, if one day we came down with cancer and we have to go for chemotherapy today, will we miss it because we have no time? Of course not. If it becomes important enough, you will find time. If you can't find time, it's just not that important to you and that's fine by me.

Now to address the above,

anzen, your daily meals should look like a pyramid where breakfast is at the bottom and dinner/supper is at the top. Eat a mountain for breakfast and a twig for supper. Go for proper food for your breakfast. Eggs. Milk. Maybe even some meat or veg. Same with lunch but in a slightly smaller portion. Watch what you eat for dinner because you're going to sleep and won't be burning off those calories. If you're hungry late at night, fix yourself a protein shake or milk or maybe some half boiled eggs. Carbs late at night will spike your insulin and encourage your body to go into fat storing mode.

This post has been edited by statikinetic: Jan 28 2011, 07:02 PM

i undergo the journey to reduce my body fat level. It's about 9 months (total lost 110kg to 93kg right now)
Control my weight at 95kg around 3 month.. that's why i drag the period too long...
So far it's going great...

I do very simple way, and not to think so complicated.

start : buy weight machine, sign up for gym.

that only..
eat : protein + vege the most. low complex carb, and cheat

1 day = 5 meal...

nowadays : gym (sat n sun), joging (mon, wed and fri)

gym 1 hour per session, jog 3 round x 400m track (outside line)

rate of weight reduce : 0.5kg~ 1kg (I even hit 1.5kg per week)
You can control the weight loss.. I'm not going to compete anything, what for I chase the fat loss so quickly...

So, the main point is, watch ur calories intake, calories is still calories, supplement is not magic, n don't burden urself.. as long u keep ur fitness level.. nothing wrong to eat anything..

I never cut down on my calories intake on my previous weight loss journey, I went from 115 to 95, anyone from the v1 thread should be able to recognise me.

That was the time when I am still studying in uni, I keep simple rules on my eating.

Eat on time, eat more meals, less carbonate, more protein.
Cut your sodium intake
No process food (this alone makes you have to avoid many food including instant noodles, msg, refine sugar, 90% of the outside food, etc)
Always insist of fresh food
Use a better food preparation way (when you cook you always know what it will go into your stomach)

Other than that I do alternative exercise daily like
Cycling - Jogging - Swimming - hiking - racquet sports etc

Nowadays I think for the exercise part would be a lesser problem since when there's a will there's a way. The more problematic one would be on the food intake. I cant think of anything healthy to be consume in my company canteen.

For me it's simple rules which you keep strictly works.

@statikinetic Thanks. Shot that bugger in the face.

cant stress it enough. many people start weight loss regime worrying about the small questions. What should i eat, what should i not eat. what brand better. which cardio is better. how long to do cardio. weight training, 15 X3 repetitions or 8X5 is better etc.

When they actually successfully lose weight, looking back they will realize all these small issues wont make the difference. most important is eat right, exercise, and have a strong will.

Because when you start worrying too much you are still waiting and not doing anything. So it's better to start it early and correct it later

people should just stop wasting time to worry this and that, just cut all the carbs and start working out, no way u wont loose weight!

worry less, just eat and lift!

Most of the carbs, not ALL!

greetings guys,

i have been following this thread once in a while but never got to post. Before tht, let me introduce myself, i am 17 yrs old(just finished spm) and currently i weigh about 97kg. last year my weight was about 105kg. i did cut down on my food intake and i have changed it to a more healty diet. currently i only consume rice for about2 or 3 times a week at a small amount(only lunch). i have also started hitting the gym( celebrity fitness) in order to lose weight and gain some muscles. i have also started consuming fresh fruit juices on a regular basis. btw, i planned to take whey protein insolate, ineed your opinion about whey protein from you guys. any of you guys taking this ?

any other ways to lose fat fast ?

This post has been edited by shankar_dass93: Feb 3 2011, 12:49 PM

Whey protein is a good source of protein for most of us as we cannot get enough through our daily diet. What do you want to know about it?
Nothing much to comment because of lack of info on your workout and diet, but you might want to replace those fruit juices with real fruits.

yes, i am taking real fruit juices.( just spend rm500 on getting a kenwood fruit juicer)lol.
are there any side effects of whey protein ? i heard tht it may damage the liver