WW,

It is so true what you mentioned about non-members blasting their swiftlet call without giving due consideration about the disturbances and discomfort caused to neighbours.

Most are successful ones having been in the business as pioneers and so couldn't care less about others.

Nope, It's the "blood" nest if "red" nest does exist. If "red" nest does not exist, then this mess is a lesser mess.....only if "What in nature can be accepted but what added to shouldn't be allowed" holds true today.

If the authorities still cannot understand tf's very detailed analysis of how nitrates are reduced to almost zero, they really need to go back to basic Form 5 chemistry lessons.

Clearly, the authorities should start using 2 classes of nitrates requirements for food regulation:
a) one for dried foods consumed without further cooking and in moderate quantities (its possible and reasonable to consume 500gm dried meat at one sitting say at a new year or football party)
So lets put a very tight limit on this one, say 1-5 ppm. (Sorry, too lazy to work out the figures now)
b) another for dried foods that need further cooking etc that is consumed in minute quantities ( eg, ginseng, birdnests are consumed max say 10gm of the natural stuff at one sitting?)

I would say for birdnest, a higher limit is reasonable. But, I think you get the idea. 500gm vs 10 gm; this means the levels for birdnest can be in the region of 50 times higher than for dried meats.
If you say 500gm meat at one sitting is too much, than 200gm ok? That still makes it reasonable to have a nitrate concentration that is 20x higher than dried meats.

Does anyone have a confirmed figure of what china allows for dried meats? Like waxed ducks, sausage, etc from china that we consume every year for chinese new year? Then, we can start comparing and making some headway in our fight (er lobby).

Dear sifu,
1.what is the correct setting for Low,Mid, and high knob in amp?
2.Is it ok to connect one coil tweeter parallel with one piezo tweeter together,will this cause any problem to amp?
Thanks for advice....

Hi,

As we have discuss before and that the knob doesn't make the difference as all depend on what Amp you are using and many others factors like the number of tweeters, type of wire, length of wires and all will make the differences in the output of the tweeters sound.

Even when the AMP are the same made and everything the same, the facts still remain that everyone of the AMP will produce slightly different in output as nothing in the world can be produce the identical even in identical twin cos there will certainly be a difference in output so let your ears to hear and your brain to decide whether you got the right pitch and the resultant view of swiftlets @ BH will be your final goal and achievement.

As for coil or piezo type, and this one, I leave it to the expert to comment.

Hope that I am of help.

If you mix coil tweeters and piezo tweeters using the same amp you will either fry the coil tweeters or fry the amp. The piezo tweeters are more rezelian . However if you mix magnetic tweeters and piezo tweeters they seem to work ok . My 2 cents.

nitrite n nitrate issues are excuses from day one.

and they are not tht stupid to fry something out without a plan.

by going through a process machine in between bird's nests cleaning, nitrite n nitrate will meet even the most stringent requirement of china spec. those in the loop already knew this one year ago when they start to fry this story up.....and u can buy it less than 2k.

but what they didn't realised is how big this issue had exploded in china!..as most of their activities are mainly to fry the issue in malaysia by using one or two news of china suspecting red nests ( n those are been fry up too by their link in china....again they too only fry the story in small towns in china....they did not realised the news would blew up and now becomes the topic in china!).

all this because they have miscalculated the power of INTERNET....

but it is all too late now.....

too late now.....

too late...


better find a good loan restructure consultant to prevent bankrupsi........

NITRITE CONTENT


Reply received highlighted several points.

Points raised are being brought up with DVS and MOH.

DVS & MOH are taking samples from several BHs all over Malaysia to ascertain the general concentration of Nitrites so as to be able to present the analysis to China. These results will hopefully be the basis for determining the acceptable concentration of Nitrites in EBN.

EBN industry in Malaysia is being sabotaged by our own people. A group claiming to be able to reduce nitrites in EBN to 0% if the EBN is Processed following their method and using their equipment. This is being widely advertised.

There is a huge discrepancy between the reported Export figures by Malaysia and the recorded Import figures by China.

TQ for the info, bro

This is something that we all know and if you have been to Guangzhou, there is an area where the whole floor supposedly be selling Malaysia nests as the whole area is called " Ta Ma Yen Wao centre" but if you are there and you will notice that all nests display there are mostly that of Indonesia but the owners of the lots are mostly Malaysian. Pretty salesgirls there representing Malaysian owners informed me that they are selling Indonesia nests as I told them that I knew those nests weren't Malaysian but Indonesian...........all because they are cheaper and easier to sell than that of Malaysian and if I want Malaysian nests, they can get it for me. Why called Malaysian Nests if you are selling Indonesia nests so don't blame the Chinese boycotting Malaysian nests as those nests @ place are supposedly Malaysian nests but selling Indonesia nests to gain more profit and no wonder that the Chinese there think Malaysian nests are inferior and Indonesian nests are the best cos the Indonesia are buying our nests to sell as theirs while we, Malaysian were stupidly selling Indonesia nests in China as our Malaysian nests.

We all need to look far and in order to ensure that we do have a better future, best ensure that we do sell Malaysian as Malaysian nests and even thought our nests cost higher than that of Indonesia's, there will be buyers who want the better nests and we need not go down to trick Chinese of the truth Malaysian nests. Like Vietnam nest, their nests demand better price so be it and we have own value for our nests and the end users will slowly understand and accept our nests as Malaysian nests.

Like the case with nitrites in EBN, the Chinese need to understand that nitrites do appear in the nests naturally and so they need to take the nests as they are otherwise, the chinese will be encouraging the sellers to magically if possible to reduce the nitrites to ZERO %...that won't be fair to the chnese eating the EBN as pure as posible.........so far, for thousand of years, chinese have been eating EBN and so far, all are very healthy and very well, too. Just afew bad guys around doing dirty work, put them in jail I would say and let them suffer alittle bit for hurting and endanger public health.

if this kinds of news come out localy here i bet consumer will rush to get more nest ......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnUuTpsYh44&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPaIUd1cXWo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi3kXuE330A...n_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkRORoqLScY...n_order&list=UL

those who like to educate consumer there please dont bark here,get yr ticket n make some road show there..........

This post has been edited by kohloh: Oct 10 2011, 08:37 PM

what are the videos about? sorry banana here

Remember how China dealt with the folks involved in melamine in milk that caused baby deaths?
2 men were sentenced to death...that's how China dealt with their own saboteurs
That's the kind of action they understand and appreciate ...
Instead of ....
Two local bird's nest manufacturers were ordered to cease operations last year for adding nitrates from artificial red colouring to produce “blood nest”.
as poorly reported or poorly researched (or both) in the Star sometime in Aug...
...as usual the compliant majority get to pay the penalty of the guilty few who get away with a slap on their wrists..
It this keeps on it will only drive more of it underground for the brave...and the political backlash will be furious from the rest.
A simple case of lost faith.

Conspiracy theory exposed, ...that "Knights" of the party has riden in and announced they have petitioned to the authority on behalf of all swiftlet farmers, EBN traders and exporters to resolve the RED plan. When the authority said, "Ok, we leave that product identification and tracebility plan out for now!" . That "Knights" then announced to all the swiftlet farmers, "See? Only we can give you all good representation in government ma. So vote for us lor. By the way, can give 50% discount on that nest ah?....So poor farmers with little nests remain forever poor....

That is for Conspiracy Theory 101, 102 to be exposed by Wikiwalet soon? Hope this lightens up all who niamah'ed at the jokingly low nest price now and still working hard on improving nest counts.

they thought a year ago that they can sell the product as their own invention....but they never thought how good the sales n how profitable it will be....if u use ur brain a bit...how many units u can sell? how many processors in malaysia?....

and it is not new invention anyway....we used it in aquacultural, we used it in our own kitchen...but for bn, we need a commercial typed to do the job. U can even make one on ur own.....

most processors are now using it. but they never tell anyone..

a taikoh bn buyer told me that now the market is so screw up...bn prices will drop another few hundreds from current price till CNY...n after CNY....u know i know...its going to be.....cannot imagine loh...

he said that we malaysian officers went to china to discuss with the china officers....but the china officers tell them...no need to discuss, u go back malaysia.

thts why we need our Prime Minister help to clear things up....else....we are depending on other markets to push our products....but how many they can take....china still consume 90% of bn.....

How many of u guys here starting to give up? Things indeed quite dark for now, but it doesnt mean that it is the end. I called it bird nest crisis. Nothing so far has come crisisless. Every industry got it own crisis, just matter of how long does it take to solve things. To fundamental side, bird nest is chinese culture drinks. Come on guys, how can a few bad players in the market destroy a chinese culture? Thousands of BH are still growing in sarawak. They dont build blindly, they build with HOPE. I maybe young, 19yr old, but it doesnt mean i know nuts about swiftlet farming and chinese culture. Before one venture in this industry, they already know this industry is not short term investment at the first place.

So guys, dont give up easily. This industry is not some cheap industry, it is billions dollar. Of course govt will surely take a piece cake of it, but i dont mind as they will assured our top notch quality BN will be exported to china. And by each year, your bird nests quantity will increase.

I think the ploy is finally to just get our raw materials at the price they want. Then to process in china to "their" standard. This will create heaps of jobs and foreign exchange saving. Inevitably they will partner with some powerful politician and will only buy from this "relaiable source" who will detect the price of raw nests. I bet this is in the making! They are not talking or ban preserved meat and so on that is loaded with nitrate that is use to cure these product. They only target BN as they smell money and what a killing. Remember years ago they want to control the distribution of Chinese new year oranges??? Anyone want to put some money on this ploy?? Haha only joking - I mean the bet the ploy is for real . wait and see!

1 piece of your specualtion in place
China mulls standard for edible bird nests
I hope you are wrong.
with a change in leadership due in China, they may just decide to show some more muscle with a clampdown and if it was a private endeavor (or in the wrong camp) some in China will need to buy their own bullets soon.

This post has been edited by Cergau: Oct 11 2011, 07:52 PM

Hi Members

I have someone looking for 300 - 500 kgs of Grade A cleaned birdnest. Please quote. Genuien nest and offer please.

Thank you.

Dear TinkleBell,

If what you post is the truth, then the market isn't as bad as it seem. If someone is buying 300-500 Kgs of Grade A nests, then it must be for China market as others are just doing EBN drink and not much of Grade A nests.

Secondly, a buyer came last week and offer Rm2400/Kg and yesterday, offered Rm2600/Kg meaning that he must has buyers for the nests and is offer a slightly higher price for the nests as he must has experienced difficulty in getting his supply for nest @ Rm2400 otherwise, smart thinking will tell you by now he must be offering even lower price for the nests. He is deperate and in need of nests or otherwise, he wouldn't be here just after a week time only.

Good job, everyone for not selling low and holding to the nests for a better tomorrow. But to hold or not, is up to you but don't blame me if the price drop but then by holding on to your nests, you help to a better chances for the nests to gain better hike on the price. Just think and act accordingly using the brain and not the heart. Hopefully, this time, I won't see a Rm1800/kg on the menu..........going up is difficult but dropping is easy so beware of this....and for those in Share Market will understand me as panic selling will cause the price to drop dramatically and fast....

Even at the Rm26000/kg, I still refused to sell and hopefully, by next week, he will come back to quote me a better quote which I call it reasonable price for my nests. Isha Allah, we will survive this storm in one piece.

Lastly, our local newspaper isn't helping either by publishing all negative views and report about the birdnests. The newspapers should help by keeping their mouth shut and let the whole incident die down and let our GOM department solve the issue with the Chinese Authorities. How are the public going to forget the incident if they keep remind them of it. If needed to publish, do something positive about the whole matter like publish V. report on our EBN and convince the public that our EBN are safe to consume and that we are making progress to ensure food safety in EBN. Also, that action has been taken against the culprits involved in the scandal and they shall be brought to justice soon. These, if I am a end user, I will feel safe to resume eating birdnests and enjoy healthy living.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 12 2011, 11:09 AM