[quote=kohloh,Sep 30 2011, 12:54 PM]
[quote=Cergau,Sep 29 2011, 06:06 PM]
Just back from PutraJaya..left early before the end to avoid the commuter rush hour.

1)My observation...MOH seem sincere in wanting to resolve the issue with China
2)They claim to be in touch with their Chinese counterparts...and are enforcing our existing food safety regulations to comply with the Chinese requirement of 0 PPM for the stuff. The Fed Assoc have reiterated that that stuff occur naturally in raw EBN (this require you guys to verify) and 0ppm is not achievable. MOH claim that they have indicative positive response with their Chinese counterpart for 1 ppm....yet to be confirmed.
MANY CLAIM HERE THEY KNOW THE RIGHT WAY TO PROCESS NEST N KNOW ALL BOUT IT
simple ,bring some of yr raw n cleaned n run a lab test that is cheap n they have branch every state

http://www.bphealthcare.com/BPLab/contactus.asp

to get the nitrite ppm/Kg then only talk weather yr nest is qualify fr export then only talk bout wat kind of box should use n wat kind of tracking they wanna post
= DROP AGAIN

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Hope the next time there is meeting or dialog or any such matter, I can be there to learn and to voice my opinion. If less than I % nitrate is only allowed, then the only way to pass is to process the nests here into nest cake form by dilution the content of the nitrated by filtration. Then if required as half cup nests, reassemble the nests back into half cups of any size required. This way, there will be no feather either also standard pricing for all type of nests. This It is my guessing only as I am not an expert in the field.

Maybe, some experts in the field can give advice on how to achieve less than1% nitrate bird nests. Otherwise, all in the buz, pls pray to GOD for answer.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 1 2011, 02:28 PM

Unc WW,
It's NOT 1% (..ie 1 part in a hundred parts) they want.
The formal/official requirement is 0 parts in a million parts.
There is only indicative positive response that they may accept 1 part in a million parts.
As I understand it (I may be wrong), it's mainly due to the limitation of their current detection method/system, we MAY scrape through with 1ppm.
...only cos' the Chinese counterparts current method is capable of detecting a minimum of 1ppm.

If you are a little mathematical about it you will realise there is a problem with that statement.
If their method can detect 1ppm, whcih means 1ppm is detectable and thus unacceptable.
I think the poor MOH official may be grasping at straws with that answer due to the pressure from the floor at the dialog.
In my mind it's anything less than 1ppm is NOT detectable BUT not necessarily 0ppm.
In simple terms 0ppm to <1ppm (ie zero to less than 1ppm.) MAY get through.

Anybody else who were also present pls correct me if necessary, else you need to get the 'official' ver from yr assoc.

As for WW's other comments, sorry, only know cleaning with my laundry washing machine

The issue is with nitrite NOT nitrate...both sounds similar but NOT the same chemically and in many other ways.

TQ for the info and sorry for 1ppm and OMan know only old things and even aroma and perfume also seem strange to OM as I understand Shit and Nesting smell. TQ very much.

You are welcome and no need to be sorry.
I am here to learn Shit and Nesting Smell.
The rest I just Google and share here

astro channel 114, 9:30am, 2.10.11,....selangor bn association vs haiwan, discussing issues of bn...

hi CK

I missed it. Any clue whether there is a repeat of the discussion?
thank you very much.
Cheers

good news, at last our agri minister take advices from the real bn exporters to concentrate on resolving the ppm issue with china instead of focusing on registration and gps tracking system... he said already proposed to china that bn nitrite 30ppm is allowable n wait for the feedback from china.

he also proposed to china to grade the bn with three standard : 1) Top Grade Bird's Nest (white), 2) lower grade Bird's nest ( maybe a bit yellow kua..), 3) Higher moisture level bird's nest ( not sure why this come out)...

hope this is expedite....before it is too late....

but gps n licence n monopoly issues still intact.....waiting for the next opportunity to strike back.....hai....

miss the program? no worry, the program is nothing but .. ` Yu Mo Lun Chi!'....just liked me....... sayonara.

Hi CK

Thanked you so much for the updated info. Fortunately I did not sacrify my sleep-in wonderful day for the ground zero program.

Does Vet Dept implement 1Msia Tracebility System for all husbandary industries, i.e. GPS for all animals farm or only specially for our dear swiftlet. If so, how precious they love swifltet to take that extra expensive care, at farmers expenses.

Due to all China issue, no I have to review my invetment in BH as it is my hardearned money. I learned alot from this forum. Appreciation to all Sifus

Good day

The truth is that there is no news that is good news but only news that will not put you in hospital for heart attack.

The problems with the China issue and V-Dept haven't been resolved and also the falling price of our nests, now news of the health Dept want a share in the Buz and wanted all owners to register with the Health Dept.

The health dept doesn't understand that raw birdnests do not come under their jurisdiction and their argument is that food is under them and come on... Why cows and other animals not under them but only the meat.....so, it's only if processed nests like bottled nest ready for immediate consumption should only come under their jurisdiction and not our raw nests..

I heard that the health dept has given a 30/09/2011 deadline to the Fed. swiftlets Asso. on this matter but the Fed Asso. refer them to the V Dept if they want to be involved in the lucrative trade. I think our PM need to make a "STOP" to all other GOV. Depts and that only the Vet. Dept is concerned with the industry.

One trouble has solved, next one started and still more to come and now, here the MPK issue a notice to some BHs @ town to demolish all work illegally done on the buildings (BHs).....or will bring the owners to court if fail to comply. Now, we need to seek the help of the MB and YBs and seek their help in the matter above.

Also, HK suppliers are said to have tons of Red nests at hand and so guess what they are going to do with it and HKian are the kingmaker of the trade and they don't go down easily.

Sekian, Berita Hari Ini

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 3 2011, 12:32 PM

Any swiftlet farmer or rancher from Phuket, Thailand ? How about coffee this weekends (6th to 9th Oct 2011) in Phuket to chit-chat about BIRDS CARING ? Me, a young rancher from Singapore (BH @ Jerantut,Malaysia) PM me.

Good evening WW

That seminar in Putrajaya drawn out clearly that BH only register with Vet. After this point, i.e.once raw birdnests are sold regardless to local or overseas market, then have to register with MOH. Then have to apply for SK1M or GAP or HACCP or HACCP1Malaysia. SK1M is for small players and FOC. HACCP 1 MALAYSIA also is FOC for small timer whereas big timer rich enough to pay for HACCP . That was the comment by MOH

A HK friend in BN business said the same thing that tons of BN holding in HK. They might be turning it into white now

WW, wanna check with you why some BH put up partitions? Does it really help or hinder the swiftlet, blocking their path?

Cheers

health dept want to introduced gps tracker n only allowed those factories that they approved to export bn....

Vet dept want to introduced gps tracker n only allowed those factories that DVS approved to export bn...!....

this is the same as in halal biz licence.....the halal dept found that private halal certified companies are earning big bucks from all the licencing of halal biz, for example, one of the owner of such halal licensing company bought his own company building in just a few years operation shows how lucrative this biz is...so, after whestling for a year, now it is left with one dept that is allowed to do the licensing....

we are facing the same scenario here....

heart attack? .....i guess all of us already get used to it, right? thts why how lucky those few that still dont own any farm yet....

maybe our prime minister special assistant for bn industry can brief our PM what we facing now is life n death situation, not who can mono who.......arr......again ` Yu Mo Lun Chi' again.......what's the point?

sai hei!.........

by the way, there is a report from HK Lab that concluded that BN is 100% free from Nitrite n Nitrate after been cooked...both white n red nests are safe to makan...so, maybe our agri minister can take this report n brief the china counterpart.

china newspaper link if u likes to check how big the issue of bn in china :

http://www.ccn.com.cn/

http://www.xfrb.com.cn/

http://www.tianjinwe.com/

http://hnrb.hinews.cn/html/2011-10/03/node_2.htm

http://paper.people.com.cn/rmrb/html/2011-...00renmrb_01.htm

http://newspaper.jfdaily.com/xwcb/html/2011-10/04/node_2.htm


with world economy slowing down again, expect rainy days ahead loh......

This post has been edited by ChanK: Oct 4 2011, 07:53 AM

Good Morning, my friend.

Partition is required when your birds refuse to stay due to disturbances of the natural kind or that a certain area has no EBN due to infighting among the ketua burung. To fasten birds growth, some form of partition maybe require to allow other gang of birds to start a new settlement in your BH.

Hinder of bird path, no unless you purposely done a nasty U turn or Z path that may not be problem with old birds but certainly will be with inexperienced new birds which are the ones you want.

Normally, new BHs started without partitions but gradually will if situation require it. If all go well, why partition cos you have the 1Malaysia group of birds there and if they aren't the harmony types, then partition out and you now have 2 or more new rooms; like human being, if all can stay together, all is well, otherwise, partition out and there will be less infighting and more toward making new babies.

Hope that I answered you well.




This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 4 2011, 08:58 AM

Very Good morning WW

You always answered all question very very well. Thank you thank you

OIC, so swiftlet do fights too. I heard that those swiftlet patronising rivers are of bigger size and they will fight off other swiftlet species. Is it true that this type of swiftletts' produce bigger size nest? Then 'far tat loh'

So better start off without partition to save cost and until and unless necessary then still can put up. I thought each house only have 1 Tay Koh (leader). Looks like that is not the case.

Pray that BN business will not be monopolise to favour a few. When are they going to learn their lessons???

How nice if CK can get a copy of the HK analysis report of the nitrite after cooking. This to present to MOA or MOH to substantial the claim. They have to be fed loh.

Cheers to all members

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Good news!!! hai...

http://news.163.com/11/0919/07/7EA2ENIR00014AED.html

早报记者 康金龙 文/图

　　连日来，厦门一燕窝贸易公司在媒体上大篇幅刊发“关于燕窝产品亚硝酸盐零检出的测试报告”，引发了读者对“血燕事件”的再次关注。昨日，记者从检测机构福建省产品质量检验研究院得到证实，该检测报告是真实做出来的，送检的燕窝也确实未检测出亚硝酸盐。

　　据了解，这不是第一家为自己燕窝证明“清白”的公司。

　　燕窝销售

　　受到打击

　　昨日，在厦禾路一家燕窝专营店，记者看到尽管店内摆满了各种燕窝制品，但没有血燕出售。店员称，8月份“血燕事件”曝光后， 血燕全部下架，总公司召回血燕产品，现在出售的全部是白燕。在大型超市内，记者同样没发现有血燕产品出售。在一家大型药店里，写着“燕窝”字样的玻璃专柜并没有摆放燕窝，销售人员称“现在店里没有，你要的话必须去公司调货”。

　　业内人士透露，现在不仅血燕没有卖，白燕销售量也受到牵连，8月下旬起整体销量锐减。“燕窝正遭遇着前所未有的信任危机！”从事燕窝贸易的黄先生说。

　　据了解，厦门现有大大小小数十家燕窝贸易公司，如“燕之屋”、“燕思巢”、“燕王阁”、“魅之燕”、“燕世家”等。在“血燕事件”中，厦门的燕窝贸易受到了不小的冲击，大型的燕窝连锁店纷纷表态召回血燕，消费者手中的血燕可凭小票退款。

　　燕窝商家

　　主动送检

　　为了挽回消费者对燕窝质量的信任，为了安抚加盟商，厦门的燕窝贸易公司纷纷主动找上质检的权威机构，送上燕窝进行检测。先有一家向珠海检验检疫局的检验检疫中心送检，接着另一家向福州的福建省产品质量检验研究院送检。

　　据珠海检验检疫中心工作人员介绍，由于燕窝没有国家标准以及行业标准，该中心是按照食品的相关标准，对即食燕窝、特A级白燕进行亚硝酸盐、添加剂等多个项目的检测。结果显示，产品不存在质量问题。

　　福建省产品质量检验研究院检测人员告诉记者，这些送检产品是厂家主动送检的，未发现亚硝酸盐，未发现质量问题。但他同时表示，检测报告结果只能证明商家送检的产品没有问题。记者随后从厂家那里了解到，他们送检的“即食冰糖白燕”是从200瓶罐头中抽出2瓶，鲜白燕是从一包500克的鲜白燕中取出20克。


http://news.163.com/11/1001/10/7F983U9D00014AED.html

本报讯 （见习记者唐文稳 记者张明超） 国庆节前夕，哈市消费市场海参、虫草等滋补品热销。9月28日，记者走访哈市多家商场、超市和专卖店时发现，往年节日热销的燕窝礼盒今年却乏人问津。

9月28日，在哈市会展中心的家乐福超市，选购营养品的市民不少，但货架上的两盒“冰糖燕窝”却一直没被选中。“这两盒燕窝摆在这里都一个月了，没见有人买，‘血燕’出事后，大家连燕窝都不买了。”一位超市的工作人员对记者说。

随后，记者赶到哈市南岗区果戈里大街上的一家专营燕窝和海参的门店看到，几名顾客正在挑选海参，货架上摆放着几盒白燕燕窝。店主告诉记者，最近一个月只卖出了两份散装燕窝，一个燕窝礼盒也没卖出去，“现在，几乎没人再拿燕窝送礼，其实燕窝还是很有营养的，就是被‘血燕事件’连累的。”

Hai, all sifu ...another question. I have a new bird house just open sound for 9 days. Have about 30++ bird staying. Problems is those bird only stay but never play at day time. They only play for first few days when the birdhouse start. Now hardly see any bird come to play at noon time, only come back at night. have change few pooling sound at UFO speaker but seem like not working. What should I do....

Wow, so good 9 days already got 30 birds... I also facing same problem before and this is the answer i get from my Sifu,
1) Our bird house population is still low.
2) Usually only young baby bird just started learn to fly will stay near our BH.
3) Adult birds will not always circling at your BH because they still need to find food.
Pls correct me if I'm wrong, I got those infor from my Sifu.

Thanks for info, brother....Start to worried when every day see no bird come to play...Thanks for reassurance ...

From my findings, birds feeding from nearby river usually are bigger in size as they feed well and as such have bigger nests. Birds feeding at barren land usually are leaner as they feed on insect that are also smaller and thinner in size. From my experience, River gang will chase out hill gang so here is where partition play a role by allowing the smaller species to survive in your BH or otherwise they may need to move out. All Experts tell you that your birds will remain faithful to your BH but I believe differently as the birds will remain if the situation allow them.....my theory is that the bigger birds do displace small birds if the location is good and the poor smaller ones will find another location in your BH to build their nests. Like all animal, there are the bullies and the weaklings, the leaders and the followers......but we welcome them all.......don't be selfish only to allow the big nest builders to stay and force out the small nest builders and the dirty nests builders, too when you have no room to spare. Remember, these small and dirty/feathered nests builders maybe the pioneers and the ones that lead the rest over to your BH in the early days of your BH.

Also, my finding in the BH tell me that there are many more sub species of swiftlets that produce slightly different type of nests but I am getting too weak after a leg operation to observe the birds these years and I shall leave these works to younger men to find out.

On Nitrite, I have read that nitrite will be much lesser after soaking and draining with water and will disappear "0%" after cooking and wonder if it's true.

"Malaysian bird’s nest exports to China had surged from 1.44 tonnes in 2009 to 100 tonnes last year."

How did we increase production that fast? It takes many many years to get new BH to be productive. Conclusion must be (a) back door from other countries. or (b) previously Malaysian EBN backdoor to other countries , now they are back.

Which infers we need to track EBN from other countries too???