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post May 6 2010, 11:05 AM

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Full HD is the resolution of 1920X1080 in 16:9 aspect ratio. Full HD is commonly found in 22'' and above. Some 22'' LCD like Dell 2209WA has native resolution of 1680X1050 (aspect ratio 16:10), 15% less pixels than Full HD.

The more pixel, the more workspace you will get. But objects tend to look smaller in smaller screen with high resolution. A 16:9 screen is always wider but shorter than a 16:10 screen when screen size increases.

Panel type (TN vs IPS/VA): Please google for more

IMO, marketing gimmick only applies on dynamic contrast ratio where no industry standard is available. Every manufacturer measures DCR differently to achieve higher DCR.



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post May 6 2010, 11:22 AM

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thx for clearing that up for me
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ May 6 2010, 01:22 AM)
I did not do any review on the ST series (unless you mention other sites), I only put up my personal comment since I'm having both 24" IPS and TN panel. It would be absurd to compare between 2 items with different class. The IPS I'm using cost RM3K+ retail and only can be ordered by business customer while on the other hand, the TN just RM679 and for any end consumer.

Value wise, definitely ST2410 the winner, nuff said. It provides almost all that you need for moderate to high satisfaction level (depending on how you set for yourself). Look at our maDmaN, he's happy with his dual ST2410s despite the white thingy stucking in the middle laugh.gif tongue.gif

Just I have not try on the U2410 myself, but I suppose it almost the same with my LP2475w smile.gif
Yes, DVI / HDMI = Digital while VGA = Analogue. Despite the facts that VGA technology might have improved all these while, but DVI still provides the least fraction of signal loss. Go all the way to the LCD's native resolution on DVI or HDMI, you couldn't be wrong smile.gif

The latter part... well... GOOGLE!
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thanks, I didn't know that your old one is an IPS~ IPS wins from what I've seens through pics shown in this thread~

I think I got the value out of it~ but I disagree with DELL having good customer service~ I went home to check and still fail to find the 9-digit service tag needed to get through their toll free line for CS~

I asked yesterday~ blue ray is the only HD available material and it seems no Full HD material is available except maybe rare trailers~ so I seriously think that many people have been duped to think that the better the screen, the better the quality~ it's only partially correct as the input quality is as important when it comes to the second half; the pixels or detail of a video shown~ now I can only watch normal DVDs which I can see a large difference from smaller screens; I see it being more blocky sweat.gif
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QUOTE(sexualpower @ May 6 2010, 01:00 PM)
I asked yesterday~ blue ray is the only HD available material and it seems no Full HD material is available except maybe rare trailers~ so I seriously think that many people have been duped to think that the better the screen, the better the quality~ it's only partially correct as the input quality is as important when it comes to the second half; the pixels or detail of a video shown~ now I can only watch normal DVDs which I can see a large difference from smaller screens; I see it being more blocky  sweat.gif
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Blu-ray doesn't have to be the only material, unless you're talking about movies only. You can always watch youtube 1080p video online brows.gif.
And of course, the source (ex. movie in a disc) has to be really clear to get better watching satisfaction.
I watch a good DVD-Rip or good DVDs movie without having heavy pixelate on screen, perhaps you should goes for codec like FFDShow or any media player that support good decompress codec that will create good output quality on the screen. Personally I use CCCP + Zoom Player, the quality of DVD is great, just very small video size would eventually blur out (expected) when you watch full screen.
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QUOTE(sexualpower @ May 6 2010, 01:00 PM)
thanks, I didn't know that your old one is an IPS~ IPS wins from what I've seens through pics shown in this thread~

I think I got the value out of it~ but I disagree with DELL having good customer service~ I went home to check and still fail to find the 9-digit service tag needed to get through their toll free line for CS~

I asked yesterday~ blue ray is the only HD available material and it seems no Full HD material is available except maybe rare trailers~ so I seriously think that many people have been duped to think that the better the screen, the better the quality~ it's only partially correct as the input quality is as important when it comes to the second half; the pixels or detail of a video shown~ now I can only watch normal DVDs which I can see a large difference from smaller screens; I see it being more blocky  sweat.gif
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The comparison I mentioned earlier was between my E1905FP (19" MVA Panel from Dell) and not the IPS. The most significant for me is vertical viewing angle, I sit down while my LCD at higher level, the colours and brightness immediately become dull, that doesn't apply to my IPS and MVA smile.gif

Go watch DVD on your normal TV, that's even nicer on it. Again, Google is your answer or unless you may not want it that way. I been watching 1080p movies on my screen with 5.1 surround laugh.gif
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is samsung P2270 27" at 1120 consider a good deal?
don know wanna upgrade from my 2409w o not..
scared price will drop like bomb..
like wat i bought the 2253BW at 1.1k last 2 year =.=
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Frankly speaking, a lot of people being lured to Full HD marketing gimmick as well.

The reason why I said so, is because a lot of people have a misconception that Full HD monitor has sharper and has better screen display.

In real fact, if your source is not full HD resolution, there is little difference between a Full HD monitor with non-full HD monitor. As at that time (without Full HD source aka 1920 x1080), it is the panel quality matter the most.

Want to utilise the HD, then you must have both, ie. monitor + source.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 6 2010, 05:54 PM)
Frankly speaking, a lot of people being lured to Full HD marketing gimmick as well.

The reason why I said so, is because a lot of people have a misconception that Full HD monitor has sharper and has better screen display.

In real fact, if your source is not full HD resolution, there is little difference between a Full HD monitor with non-full HD monitor. As at that time (without Full HD source aka 1920 x1080), it is the panel quality matter the most.

Want to utilise the HD, then you must have both, ie. monitor + source.
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thats why recently i d/l a few 1gb files which each are basically just 3min music videos of SNSD...i have to re-encode them to divx soon to save space biggrin.gif
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i'm hungry for HD material now~ and I don't think compressing video files will get u better quality, unless it's variable bitrate setting as bitrate is the determinant for quality but not noticeable at some inactive screens~
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Yea Full HD LCD but without FullHD movie source... it will make your movie even worse if you only watching 500mb movie. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(sexualpower @ May 6 2010, 06:04 PM)
i'm hungry for HD material now~ and I don't think compressing video files will get u better quality, unless it's variable bitrate setting as bitrate is the determinant for quality but not noticeable at some inactive screens~
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depends what its encoded to.
if 1gb for a 3min music file...then i wouldnt like to imagine the size of HD movies and how they would even publicly release them on physical formats playable on a entertainment system...

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QUOTE(mddl_fngz @ May 6 2010, 06:13 AM)
ips wins over led displays anytime of the day
u can get the Viewsonic VX2268WM for around RM1.3k
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Is that true ? IPS wins on LED ?

QUOTE(cherroy @ May 6 2010, 05:54 PM)
Frankly speaking, a lot of people being lured to Full HD marketing gimmick as well.

The reason why I said so, is because a lot of people have a misconception that Full HD monitor has sharper and has better screen display.

In real fact, if your source is not full HD resolution, there is little difference between a Full HD monitor with non-full HD monitor. As at that time (without Full HD source aka 1920 x1080), it is the panel quality matter the most.

Want to utilise the HD, then you must have both, ie. monitor + source.
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Agree , I dont like full HD , still prefer 19:10 , since mostly for me , getting more work space.How often of you all watching HD movie ? You must need a real HD format to fully perform on a Full HD LCD.
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ May 6 2010, 07:12 PM)
Is that true ? IPS wins on LED ?
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lets get one thing straight...

IPS and LED are 2 DIFFERENT THINGS.

IPS is the panel itself and LED is how the panel is backlit.


as for why people say IPS wins LED....its because most LED monitors are using TN Panels.
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ May 6 2010, 07:12 PM)
Agree , I dont like full HD , still prefer 19:10 , since mostly for me , getting more work space.How often of you all watching HD movie ? You must need a real HD format to fully perform on a Full HD LCD.
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16:9 seems "elongated" for ordinary computer task. But 16:9 is the trend right now. It is must difficult to find a 16:10 monitor, majority goes to 16:9 ratio.

The most annoying marketing gimmick/strategy of Full HD is when sales person try to convince customer to buy a Full HD TV to watch Astro. doh.gif

Astro is on 480 if not mistaken, and even the new Astro Beyond which is HD, you just need a HD ready monitor which can full utilise the HD already, as Astro Beyond is under 720 or 1080i which is not yet Full HD definition as well.

Correct me if I am wrong.

We are still seriously lack source of Full HD until nowadays.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 6 2010, 11:54 PM)
16:9 seems "elongated" for ordinary computer task. But 16:9 is the trend right now. It is must difficult to find a 16:10 monitor, majority goes to 16:9 ratio.

The most annoying marketing gimmick/strategy of Full HD is when sales person try to convince customer to buy a Full HD TV to watch Astro.  doh.gif

Astro is on 480 if not mistaken, and even the new Astro Beyond which is HD, you just need a HD ready monitor which can full utilise the HD already, as Astro Beyond is under 720 or 1080i which is not yet Full HD definition as well.

Correct me if I am wrong.

We are still seriously lack source of Full HD until nowadays.
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The other day i saw Astro Beyond being played on a FHD TV.IMHO, it was good and definitely much better than Astro SD.

FYI, as of now, there is NO 1080p broadcast signal anywhere in the world,the bandwidth is too much.Hence, most well informed folks will buy BD movies.That's where all the 1080p content is coming from mostly besides torrents icon_idea.gif

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Yupe, it's true they can't bare the risk+cost to make 1080p broadcast signal. Not even in the near future I think.

Anyway, does anyone know what's the price for Dell U2711. Dell didn't state the price in their official Web, wonder why?
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 6 2010, 05:54 PM)
Frankly speaking, a lot of people being lured to Full HD marketing gimmick as well.

The reason why I said so, is because a lot of people have a misconception that Full HD monitor has sharper and has better screen display.

In real fact, if your source is not full HD resolution, there is little difference between a Full HD monitor with non-full HD monitor. As at that time (without Full HD source aka 1920 x1080), it is the panel quality matter the most.

Want to utilise the HD, then you must have both, ie. monitor + source.
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What about displaying a 10MP photo on a Full HD (1920x1080) monitor and a HD Ready (1024x768) monitor. Do they have any difference?
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Need URGENT advices... Kindly advise...


Say I've a monitor with following specs:

[1] Native resolution: 1920 x 1080
[2] VGA and DVI inputs


Say my graphic card has the following specs:
[1] Max. resolution (VGA: 2048x1536; DVI: 2560x1600) (my graphic card is 8600GT, is the resolution correct?)
[2] VGA and DVI outputs


If the resolution is set to be lower than the native resolution, e.g. 800x600, the following are observed:

[i] Monitor VGA connected to graphic card VGA: the image is not sharp with colour bleed and text looks fuzzy due to the Analog to digital conversion and the pixel mapping goes astray.


[ii] Monitor DVI connected to graphic card DVI: the displayed text sharpness will still be as good as when the monitor resolution is set at native resolution.

Do you think the above comments are correct?





Added on May 7, 2010, 10:59 amAnyone own or view or evaluate a BenQ G2222HDL before?
How's its performance (e.g. image quality, text sharpness, etc.) compared to monitor [2], [3], and [4]?
Is the screen of monitor [1] a "matte display" or "glossy display"?



[1] BenQ G2222HDL
http://www.benq.com/products/LCD/?product=1617

[2] Samsung SM-2233SN 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor
[3] Viewsonic VA2213W 22" TFT Monitor
[4] BenQ G2220HD - LCD display - TFT - 21.5"

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QUOTE(Onion-KiD @ May 6 2010, 06:06 PM)
Yea Full HD LCD but without FullHD movie source... it will make your movie even worse if you only watching 500mb movie. tongue.gif
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yes, the junk DVDs can now be seen more blocky as compared to 700MB movies, comparing lower resolution to higher resolution~ I don't enjoy the pixels on lousy material (except the Resident Evil : Afterlife trailer) but picture quality is no doubt better~

QUOTE(Everdying @ May 6 2010, 06:19 PM)
depends what its encoded to.
if 1gb for a 3min music file...then i wouldnt like to imagine the size of HD movies and how they would even publicly release them on physical formats playable on a entertainment system...
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ic, I've no idea about encoding and their effects but drop in bitrate on a fixed rate should be bad for quality as the bitrate decreases~

QUOTE(onemilimeter @ May 7 2010, 10:53 AM)
Need URGENT advices... Kindly advise...
Say I've a monitor with following specs:

[1] Native resolution: 1920 x 1080
[2] VGA and DVI inputs
Say my graphic card has the following specs:
[1] Max. resolution (VGA: 2048x1536; DVI: 2560x1600) (my graphic card is 8600GT, is the resolution correct?)
[2] VGA and DVI outputs
If the resolution is set to be lower than the native resolution, e.g. 800x600, the following are observed:

[i] Monitor VGA connected to graphic card VGA: the image is not sharp with colour bleed and text looks fuzzy due to the Analog to digital conversion and the pixel mapping goes astray.
[ii] Monitor DVI connected to graphic card DVI: the displayed text sharpness will still be as good as when the monitor resolution is set at native resolution.

Do you think the above comments are correct?


Added on May 7, 2010, 10:59 amAnyone own or view or evaluate a BenQ G2222HDL before?
How's its performance (e.g. image quality, text sharpness, etc.) compared to monitor [2], [3], and [4]?
Is the screen of monitor [1] a "matte display" or "glossy display"?

[1] BenQ G2222HDL
http://www.benq.com/products/LCD/?product=1617

[2] Samsung SM-2233SN 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor
[3] Viewsonic VA2213W 22" TFT Monitor
[4] BenQ G2220HD - LCD display - TFT - 21.5"
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should be the problem of refresh rate, as the resolution goes up, your monitor may not be able to take in such high refresh rate~
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QUOTE(cucubud @ May 7 2010, 07:45 AM)
What about displaying a 10MP photo on a Full HD (1920x1080) monitor and a HD Ready (1024x768) monitor.  Do they have any difference?
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Obviously the 1080p monitor will produce a sharper picture as it can display 2 million pixels compared to the 800k pixels by the 1024x768 monitor

Higher pixels count =Sharper picture/video

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