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Miniature Schnauzer

The Miniature Schnauzer is a breed of small dog of the Schnauzer type that originated in Germany in the mid-to-late 19th century. Miniature Schnauzers developed from crosses between the Standard Schnauzer and one or more smaller breeds such as the Poodle or Affenpinscher. The breed remains one of the most popular, and as of 2007 is the 11th most popular breed in the U.S

History of MIniature Schnauzer

The earliest records surrounding development of the Miniature Schnauzer in Germany come from the late 1800s. They were originally bred to be farm dogs in Germany, to keep the rats and other vermin out of the barn. In the breed's earliest stages, several small breeds were employed in crosses to bring down the size of the well-established Standard Schnauzer, with the goal of creating a duplicate in miniature. Crossing to other breeds, such as the Affenpinscher, Poodle and Miniature Pinscher, had the side effect of introducing colors that were not considered acceptable to the ultimate goal — and as breeders worked towards the stabilization of the gene pool, mismarked particolors (mixed colors) and white puppies were removed from breeding programs.

The earliest recorded Miniature Schnauzer was in 1888, and the first exhibition was in 1899. With their bold courage, the Miniature Schnauzer was originally used for guarding herds, small farms, and families. As time passed, they were also used to hunt rats, because they appeared to have a knack for it, and its small size was perfect to get into tight places to catch them.

The AKC accepted registration of the new breed in 1926, two years after they were introduced to the United States. The American Kennel Club groups this breed with the Terriers as it was developed for a similar purpose and has a similar character to the terrier breeds of the Britain and Ireland. The Miniature Schnauzer was recognized by the United Kennel Club in 1948. The United Kingdom Kennel club however, does not accept the Miniature Schnauzer as a true Terrier because it does not originate from the terrier breeds of the British Isles. Like the Tibetan Terrier and Boston Terrier it lists the Miniature Schnauzer in the Utility group for shows run under the UK Kennel Club rules such as Crufts. The FCI accepts the Schnauzer breeds but, again, does not list the Miniature Schnauzer as a Terrier.

Appearance

Miniature Schnauzers normally have a small, squarely proportioned build, measuring 12 to 14 inches (30 to 36 cm) tall and weighing between 11 and 15 pounds (5.0 and 6.8 kg). They have a double coat. The exterior fur is wiry and the undercoat is softer. The coat is trimmed short on the body, but the longer hair on ears, legs, and edge of the body, a.k.a. the "furnishings", are retained. They can be found with various colorations, including salt & pepper, black & silver, and black. White may also be found, though this color is not recognized in some countries. Miniature Schnauzers are often described as non-shedding dogs, and while this is not entirely true, their shedding is minimal and generally unnoticeable. They are characterized by a long head with bushy beard, mustache and eyebrows; teeth that meet in a 'scissor bite'; oval and dark colored eyes; and v-shaped, natural forward-folding ears. (When cropped, the ears point straight upward and come to a sharp point.) Their tails are naturally thin and short, and may be docked. They will also have very straight, rigid front legs, and feet that are short and round (so-called "cat feet") with thick, black pads

Temperament

The Official Standard of the Miniature Schnauzer describes temperament as "Alert and spirited, yet obedient to command. Friendly, intelligent and willing to please. They should never be overaggressive or timid."[3] As such they tend to be excellent watchdogs. They are often guarded of strangers until the owners of the home welcome the guest, upon which they are typically very friendly to them. "Miniature Schnauzers are not by nature aggressive, as are some of their Terrier cousins. They should be relatively fearless. Once mature, the Schnauzer has a strongly developed territorial instinct. They are ideal guard dogs as they defend vocally rather than physically. ... A good Schnauzer will bark at anyone who may appear a threat to his home. ... Schnauzers are not random, incessant barkers. They are discriminating and intelligent guard dogs that assume this duty naturally."[5]

The breed is generally good with children, recognizing that they need gentle play. Miniature Schnauzers are generally highly intelligent and easy to train. They are highly playful dogs, and if not given the outlet required for their energy they can become bored and invent their own "fun".

Schnauzers are highly prey driven (as benefits a ratting dog), and will attack other small pets such as birds and rodents. Many will also attack cats, but this may be curbed if the dog is raised with cats from a young age.

Health

While generally a healthy breed, Miniature Schnauzers may suffer health problems associated with high fat levels. Such problems include hyperlipidemia, which may increase the possibility of pancreatitis, though either may form independently. Other issues which may affect this breed are diabetes, bladder stones and eye problems. Feeding the dog low- or non-fatty and unsweetened foods may help avoid these problems. All Miniature Schnauzers should have their ears checked regularly and dried out after swimming due to a risk of infection, especially those with uncropped ears.


Cropped ear

Ear cropping, or cosmetic otoplasty, is performed on the ears of certain breeds of dogs to meet breed specifications. This procedure is done on Schnauzers, Miniature Pinscers, Dobermans, Boxers, Pit Bulls, Boston Terriers and Great Danes. However, if you own one of these breeds, you do not have to have this surgery preformed.

There is some controversy about this procedure because it is viewed as an unnecessary surgery for cosmetic purposes only. Veterinarians in Britain do not perform this surgery at all and the procedure is not taught in many veterinary teaching institutions. We offer this surgery because it is our belief that it strengthens the human-animal bond for our pets to look a certain way. Many of these breeds will look just as handsome without having their ears cut. However, I’m sure that many of you will agree that Dobermans and Great Danes are two breeds that have a completely different appearance based upon whether their ears are trimmed.

Regardless of the trimming standard, all ears cannot be trimmed alike. Variations are justified in any breed, and shape and length of the ear vary with the sex and conformation of the individual dog. The type of ear trim performed here is a ‘straight’ cut following the natural curve of the ear. This hospital does not perform ‘show cuts’. We encourage you to discuss with the Doctor or Technician your preferences on ear width and length prior to surgery.

Schnauzer 2/3 of ear left

Boxer 2/3 to ¾ of ear left

Doberman ¾ of ear left

Great Dane ¾ to 7/8 of ear left

Min Pin 2/3 to ¾ of ear left

Pit Bulls 3/5 of ear left (this is not a ‘fighting’ cut)

Boston Terrier ¾ to full trim

General Considerations

The surgery is performed at 12 weeks of age. Sometimes the surgery can be done at a later age, however, the chance of the ear successfully standing after surgery decreases with age. Even when performed at 12 weeks of age there is no guarantee that both ears will stand erect after surgery. Surgery only shapes the ear. Whether or not the ear stands up well has to do with the strength of the ear cartilage. At this age, the cartilage can usually be trained to stand erect.

All puppies having this procedure performed need to be in general good health and current on vaccinations. If a puppy is malnourished, heavily parasitized, and in poor condition, the surgery will be delayed until the health of the puppy is improved. The stress of anesthesia and surgery may suppress the puppy’s immune system and may increase susceptibility to infection.

Post Operative Care

Many ears fail to stand because of improper after-care. Scarring of the cut edge can produce undesirable effects such as contraction of the ear margin or unsightly blemishes. Immediately after surgery your pet will have its ears taped to an aluminum can or a foam block. Sutures will be removed in two weeks. Ideally, the ears will stay in position on the apparatus until then. If, however, they do not remain taped in position—please do not tape your pet’s ears at home; instead, bring your pet to us. If the tape is applied too tightly, it can interfere with blood supply and potentially cause part of the ear to die.

The number of ear wraps needed for the ears to stand varies based upon breed and individual cartilage strength. Three additional ear racks (wraps) are included with the price of your pet’s surgery. There will be an extra charge for additional ear wraps. Most puppies will need to be sedated for the ear wrap procedure. These ear wraps are usually needed from three to six weeks but may be necessary for as long as three to four months in some pets.

Your pet will be given an injection for pain control at the time of surgery. Your pet will also be sent home with the following medication—anti-inflammatory for pain control, sedative to keep the ear wraps in place, and antibiotics to help prevent infection.

Potential Complications

The biggest potential complication is one or both ears failing to stand. Other potential complications include moist dermatitis, irritation of the skin secondary to the tape adhesive, ear infection, scarring and immune suppression.

Please consult your vet regarding the ear cropping procedures.

Cropped ear miniature schnauzer


Uncropped ear miniature schnauzer


The Heredity of Colour in Miniature Schnauzers

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There are three colours accepted for the Miniature Schnauzer:

salt-and-pepper
black-and-silver
solid black
While white and parti-colour have historically occurred, these undesirable recessives are probably eradicated from today's important lines.
Salt-and-pepper includes all shades, from light to very dark. The standard states no preference, nor does it penalize the tan shading that can appear with this colour. The important factor is the distinct bands of colour found on the wire hairs. These may be any combination of black, grey, white or tan. (Clippering removes the wire coat and with it, the colour bands. The dog will eventually become the solid colour of its undercoat, but whether almost white or black, it is still a salt-and-pepper).

The black-and-silver grows solid black wire on the body. Dogs of good colour will also carry a black overlay into the leg furnishings and masking on the face. A black undercoat is essential.

Likewise with solid blacks. This colour presents the most difficulty for the exhibitor, as the colour intensity of the wire jacket is usually superior to that of the clippered areas and leg furnishings, which are scissored. It is by no means certain that a black coat will also have a black undercoat to go with it! A black coat with a light grey undercoat (thus light grey legs!) really presents a challenge to the groomer.

Black-and-silver is recessive to the other colours. To be of this colour, a puppy must receive the gene from each parent. When black-and-silver parents are mated together, the result is 100 percent black-and-silver offspring.

Salt-and-pepper is dominant to black-and-silver. A salt-and-pepper may carry the gene for black-and-silver and produce the colour when mated to another carrier. There is a marker trait that often identifies theses carriers - a small white spot of white directly above the nose!

Black is dominant over the other colours. To be black, a puppy must have at least one black parent. A homozygous black will produce only black puppies, regardless of the colour of its mate.

For several years, the CKC has been accepting the registrations of black Mini Schnauzers born to non-black parentage. Repeated correspondence with the registrar seems to have resulted in no action. The CKC regularly cancels Labrador Retriever litters when black puppies are reported from yellow parents, yet it continues to register equally questionable blacks in our breed.

By the time a puppy is ready for individual registrations, it is old enough that its colour can be identified. At best, these discrepancies reveal appalling ignorance on the part of the breeder. At worst, falsification must be suspected.

One would hope that the powers that be at the CKC would begin to pay a little more interest to a situation that undermines the integrity of the registry.

[sources from http://www.mscc.ca/article.html]

This post has been edited by iluv2zzz: Sep 27 2009, 02:36 PM

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Gathering Information:

3RD Miniature Schnauzer Gathering

Date : 8 Feb 2009
Time : 9.00 am
Venue : Central Park, Bandar Utama



2ND Miniature Schnauzer Gathering

Date : 23 November 2008
Time : 8.00 am
Venue : Central park, Bandar Utama



Whoever have info & picture of first gathering please let me know.

This post has been edited by iluv2zzz: Sep 27 2009, 02:22 PM

PROUD OWNERS OF MS!! (pm me to be added into the list)

1. Jason86 - Toro < salt and pepper >
2. babymiki - Meeko < salt and pepper >
3. lilcatty - Copper & Jade < salt and pepper >
4. sbux - Miki < salt and pepper >
5. Madmoz - Siu Kat <black and silver > & Siu Wan < white >
6. chillie - Sparky < salt and pepper >
7. ed0gawa - Girl Girl
8. j3ffm0n - Mojo , Puffy & Yoda
9. freestyler<Jc & Ivy>- Odie - Female <salt & pepper>
10.neorelated4-Schnauzy < salt and pepper >
11.kennyguy-Didi(penang) < salt and pepper >
12.Jessyca_loh-Mookie(penang) < salt and pepper >
13.THT-Coco < salt and pepper >
14.stupidbump - Dido < salt and pepper >
15.waichee86&Kerrie - Daisy & Happy < salt and pepper >
16.Junnie87 - Dada < salt and pepper >
17.mike@mike - buttercup < salt and pepper >
18.nicteh - Lucas<Black & silver>
19.clementcpteh - Rocky<salt n pepper> ,ricky <black n silver>,Rusty<black>
20.arhong - baby Belle < salt & pepper >
21. redzjack - milky <white> , bebe <black n silver>
22.Ertifex - HA KAO < salt and pepper >
23.tonyqcc - Jim Jim - male < salt and pepper >
24.Kenny83-BoBo < salt and pepper >
25.evelyn.tlc-Peanut - black & silver
Pumpkin - black & silver
Pancake - black & silver
Popcorn - black and silver
26.babykaeru-Roxy<black and silver>
27.alucard_my-Mojo < salt and pepper >
28.wallance13-Vivi <Black and silver > DOB : 14/09/2005
29.Winnie_sia87& vincent_ng86 - BoyBoy < salt and pepper >
30.fernando torres -Bou Bou < salt and pepper >
31.haven7 - hugo boi < salt and pepper > ( DOB:21st march 2008 )
32.yeing-bobby < salt and pepper >
33.edwinlcw - max <salt and pepper>
34. Nariel - Lilo salt n pepper
Zoel 1yr+ salt n pepper
35. Friedchicken - Onyx - male<black>
36. Karie - Pluto - male<black & silver>
37. H71Y6 - Kimi (Salt & Pepper)
38. geNesis623 - Pepper - female<salt & pepper>
39. pioneer411 & Shan0407 - Mika - Female<salt & pepper> (DOB:11/02/2008)
40.LingLing - Isaac - male<salt & pepper>(DOB:2 Sept 2008)
41. Iamadrian - Whisky<salt & pepper>
42.asa - Carrie<Salt and pepper>(21 July 2005), Tin-tin (white)
43.aragonlee - Kenji <Male,Pure White Miniature Schnauzer>(DOB: 16 December 2008)
44.Vickie - Puffy - <Female - Black & Silver>( D.O.B.: 12th July 2008)
45.Rayne - Scottie< Male, Salt & Pepper>( DOB: 20th April 2007)
46.limgp1976 - snowy, scrabby and mei mei
47. bazaar91 - cooper (white)
48. Candy&Vincent - Wilbur (salt & pepper), WaWa (Salt & Pepper)
49. red-queen - Ramses (salt & pepper) DOB: 18th January 2009
50. mrtwotails - Jamie (DOB 1/11/2008)
51. Asurada - bobo (salt n pepper)
52. psyko881208 - jojo (salt n pepper)
53. k9groom - phoephie (salt n pepper)
54. kelvin5807 - genius (white)
55. robbylover89 - elmo (salt n pepper)
56. daphne1985 - murphy (black n silver)
57. purpleglitz - Augus (Black n silver)
58. MyCoffee - Julius (Salt & Pepper)
59. jacqueline515 - Jack
60. siewthaw - Eeyo (Salt & Papper) Age:2 yrs ++ Female, Toby (White) Age: 4 months ++ Male
61. louisfjh - Dollar (salt & pepper)
62. gavin_lee - Sam (Black & Silver)
63. zWeii - Tobbie (salt & pepper) 23 Feb 2010
64. prettypinkpetals - Smokey <salt and pepper> [DOB: 6 August 2006]
65. Eugene & Elsie - Winnie (Champion Dog - Retiree, 9yrs old) Colour: Salt & Pepper

TQ

Those active PM me to add you in this list! I am forgetful at times...!!! Forgive me!

If I have missed anybody, please PM me, as I might miss some post while browsing the pages Don't get offended if I missed you out ok!

Note: I am stopping to add the photos of the individual MS, working on something else. Meanwhile, visit our MS Group in Facebook to view the cuties photos!

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This post has been edited by iluv2zzz: Dec 4 2012, 01:26 AM

Potty train your miniature schnauzer

[source from http://www.training-dogs.com/potty-training-dogs.html]

Potty training dogs is easiest when they are young puppies, and this rather long page outlines a basic method.

With adult dogs and older puppies who are not housebroken, you often have more of an uphill battle because they have some undesirable habits to unlearn. There's a section on potty training dogs when they are older further down this page.

The key to success is the timing of IN and OUT. Young puppies take IN food or water and usually within 15 or 20 minutes, they pee or poop OUT.

So your job is to get the puppy to where you want him to be in time for that OUT moment.
You have a life and you won't always be there, even if you are just answering the phone. So cleanup is part of the process of potty training dogs.

Basics of the Method
Here are the basics of a simple potty training routine for a puppy.

1. Take him outside (and stay till he's done or a long time has gone by with no results):

As soon as he wakes up in the morning (You don't have to be awake.. much!)

Right after his breakfast

Right after his lunch

Right after his naps

Right after taking him out of his crate

Right after his dinner

Right after any snacks of much size

Right before his bedtime

If he whimpers in the night

Praise him in a cheery voice when he produces.

2. Only feed him and give him water when you can take him outside right away. Especially in a hot or dry climate, you would normally never let dogs be without access to fresh water, but for the weeks that you are training, this limitation will speed up the potty training process for your dog. There will be fewer accidents and so the dog will more quickly learn what you want. But use your judgment about any risk of dehydration.

3. When he does pee or poop where you don't want him to, quietly clean it up in a matter-of-fact way. This isn't a time to talk either loving or annoyed talk to him; essentially ignore him while you do the cleanup. Certainly never yell or physically punish him in any way.

4. When you and he are both home, keep him with you as much as you can, whether at your side (a leash can be handy for this once he accepts it), in a confined area, or in a crate, or otherwise nearby. (If you are crate-training, do keep the puppy in the crate as little as possible.)

Tips
### Keep in mind that you are building a relationship at the same time that you are teaching him one of his first lessons. Think sometimes about what the world must look like from his perspective, filled with giants who are sometimes very loving and other times confusingly angry. Practice patience!

### Potty training dogs isn't always fun -- you are waiting for the puppy to go, in whatever your climate can dish up and at all times of day or night. If the puppy is running loose in a safe place, this is a good time to do a few stretching exercises while keeping an eye on him. Even if the puppy is on a leash, you may be able to do some simpler ones. If you do a bit of gardening or something else, be sure it doesn't get your attention so much that you are distracted from your job of watching the puppy every moment, so you know when he has done his job.

### Don't take him back in the house the very moment he has done his stuff. He is likely to notice that the fun of being outside ends abruptly once he eliminates, and this is not an idea you want him to come up with!

### My husband and I train our puppies by saying "Do your stuff!"just as they pee or poop. After they have heard the phrase maybe a few dozen times, you can begin using it to encourage them just before they are actually doing their stuff. Eventually, it will be helpful when you are walking them as adults. I must admit I have never had a dog who heard me say that and always immediately performed, but it does help them get the idea. It's just part of my routine for potty training my dogs.

### If you are clicker-training, you could click when the dog did his stuff where you wanted him to, then give him a treat a few moments later, when he is done.

### Physically, puppies vary in how old they are before they have control of elimination, but if you bring your puppy home around the age of 8 weeks, which is considered the ideal age, expect a month or two of accidents. They will become rarer as this time goes on. I did have one Australian Shepherd who never once went in the house, from 8 weeks of age. On the other hand, my Basenji pup hated the heavy rain where we lived then and used the living room carpet for longer than I care to remember. I wasn't sure how much was physical and how much was her attitude.


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This post has been edited by iluv2zzz: Sep 27 2009, 02:12 PM

I have also encounter vets that give such advice. But it just sound not nice shaving poodle feet on a Schnauzer! And why do you shave all his fur?

Shaving poodle feet doesn't really stops them from licking the feet. But it helps to keep the feet dry faster, and minimize the chances of getting yeast infection. But it looks ugly on a Schnauzer So, as a good owner to have a good handsome pretty looking Schnauzer, more effort is needed to make sure the feet is dry, and stop them from licking the feet. If the dog is having serious yeast infection already, shaving away the fur for the treatment does make sense, but keeping "bald" leg for the entire life of a Schnauzer is just plain... ugly in my point of view.

If the vet doesn't gives you any cream, your MS might not having bad yeast infection, just some minor problem. So just keep it dry and stop his bad licking habit.

This post has been edited by iluv2zzz: Sep 27 2009, 02:33 PM

i fel my dollar abit stupid...= =
learn thing so slow...
until no still dunno himself call dollar..
still dunno to come when we call & dunno how to sit...
my pug easy to know & learn fast when we teach.

wat snack u all give to urs schnauzer??

we shaved his fur off coz it was too tangled..i tried to maintain it but its hard the groomer(we went to a new grommer to try out the shop) kept the fur too long dy..then he keep licking himself so no choice have to shave it all off..i knw it looks ugly but it would be better coz i dun wan him to suffer frm all the combing of his fur..anyways furs would grow.

i tried stopping him from licking his feet but he cant seem to stop himself.. im doing wat i can..

This post has been edited by chelle84: Sep 27 2009, 09:01 PM

Gratz to V9

i give my boy Jerkhigh Bacon..it smells really good..

It might be he is still itchy, or its already a habit to him. Distract him whenever he try to lick his paw. When he try to lick then you call him over and play with him. Make him forget to lick. Try and see can or not

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Added on September 27, 2009, 11:56 pmHaha.. not stupid, but I feel MS memang stubborn a bit sometimes. If your Dollar will chase after food, even his kibbles, then its best choice use kibbles as treat But I think Jerhigh treats quite popular, and not really expensive. If you got the budget, get some treats that are better, like using better ingredient. Nowadays, there are many treats that says will help the skin & coat, and others.. you can try them out

Or you can give fresh foods, like apple to them.

Stay away from human snacks =)

This post has been edited by iluv2zzz: Sep 27 2009, 11:56 PM

guys...wanna ask something
actually how did u guys socialize your MS?
what did socialize really mean?
i bring my phoebe go socialize with my friend's beagle (same age, 3months)
but they always end up with growl, bark, and bite too
how to make them become friends?

Some dogs play by growl/bark/bite.. to what extend is their biting?

phoebe bite beagle's tale, legs...
then my friend's beagle bite my phoebe's neck, ear, legs...
every time i saw any of them start to growl or bite, i will stop them for awhile de
but every time they also still like that

Boy boy just done castrate operation last 2 days. He's didnt like what doctor said, after operation no appetite. He still can eat as usual and he drink water for 2 minutes non stop when he reached home. He even kacau big dog at the vet centre. haha...

ya ok..i'll try that..thx 4 the advice


Does anyone knw where to get a front carrier bag for my dog..i did find 1 in lowyat(petstore) but the seller said its max 3kg..
I tried in some pet shop in pj area and i cant seem to find it..

You can try Ikano pet shop.

Let them play.. puppy play by biting one. Just observe while they play. When get too aggressive then separate them.

ok...thanks for that advice
i will observe them closely when they play i guess
hope got chance to join MS gathering in the future...
then my phoebe can make more friends

congrats to V9, hi everyone!

i wonder is there any good and kind volunteer here can help to take care of my kenji while i am at overseas? {try my luck here}

v9 d lar?? i oso dunno tim...

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Added on September 29, 2009, 3:42 pmaragonlee...where u stay?

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Added on September 29, 2009, 3:45 pmwah...ur boyboy very brave wor

This post has been edited by kerrie: Sep 29 2009, 03:45 PM

If im in kl i can help you so sure. Kenji so cute. Hhaha...

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Added on September 29, 2009, 4:48 pmThank you. I also never thought he is so brave.

This post has been edited by Winnie_sia87: Sep 29 2009, 04:48 PM

Where are you going, and for how long? State your date here people easier to reply you

I am thinking to spay bobo .
how much is it?

RM200-300 depends on which vet...

Dollar look very pity ler..

lol... yea lo... i will shot more photo & post it up here ^^

i will be going to bangkok start from 13 Oct - 20 Oct. So i need a kind and good volunteer who can take care both of my dogs (Bebe & Kenji) if possible during i m not around. Maybe i need to pass to him/her on 12 Oct 1 day before i go and only can pick them back on 21 Oct, 1 day after we back from oversea. We staying at Cheras area actually, but don't mind there is anybody that live other place than Cheras can take care well of them.

We actually plan want to try home boarding but we feel it is too expensive for 2 dogs and for so many days. We cant really afford for that.
So try asking any good and kind hearted here ppl here can volunteer take care both of my dogs? I m sure both can bring really lots of fun to whom want to take care.

Hi everyone, glad to join a big family here. I love MS very much, got a new MS recently. Well, bout 1 month ad, i hav question to ask all experienced MS owner here. Glad for provide me guidance. Let me intro my little FUrkid 1st;

A male black and silver, name 'sam' and 12 week ad. He quite behave (i guess), pee poo at spot i arranged (newspaper) but sometime missed oh, is that normal one? Any action i need to take futher if repeat again. (scold o punish)

Other than pee poo matter, he bite hand when play wit him or when pet him. Is that only temporary? I ad giv toy everytime bite my hand, and scold him.

Other than 2 problem above, he quite behave, knew sit command, sit waitin food, follow ppl around and calm when brushin and cleaning him on table (but stil struggle when blow dry after bath). So i want to ask all experienced owner here, because of puppy stage he so behaved? he will be more naughty when grow older?.. i'm so scare his behavior change when grow older.. sorry if i'm wrong, correct me..

Yet, i want ask all here bout the price for MS ?.. i bought little 'sam' at Rm2450, yet the owner said from champ line.. Am i be water fish ad?.. but is alright if really, haha.. cz i really love 'sam' the 1st time i saw him.. his eyes looking at me jus feelin want to take him home, doesnt matter the price..

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i wish i can help u but im aleadi got 2 myself sumore im staying wif hsemates..Maybe other forumers can help u..try ask around lor. U canot send them back to ur hometown meh?

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Added on October 1, 2009, 2:55 amSam is very cute!! 2k plus? a lil bit expensive to me, but maybe champion line is dat expensive lar. u got birth cert for sam? Sam is quite smart from da way u describe him. Next time if he pee on da newspaper, give him treats as to reward him. Let him noe dat he did da right thing. Its normal for him to bite (if not too hard) coz their teeth is growing. If bite too hard, u have to scold him lor. Let him noe dat it is wrong.

This post has been edited by kerrie: Oct 1 2009, 02:55 AM

OMG!!! sam is so cute
its normal to miss peepoo sometimes...
although my phoebe already know peepoo the first day i bring her back, till now, 3months old, will also miss de
its like...once a week gua...she will poo just next to the pan...
i think is because her backside is not in the pan area...
i think the front part is in the pan area since she will sniff around first before peepoo
for sure champ line is much more expensive...but if me i willing to pay de

My frd is looking for a Salt/Pepper or a Silver pup, anyone got?
without MKA also no prob.

PM me.....

IF take care of 1 dog still ok for me but 2 coz i also left my hitler at living room when i go out n out to work!!

congrate v9

sad news...one of our forumer's ms being stolen by passer by at her house yesterday .. she is from klang, if u happen to know any missing ms around, do drop me pm hope we can help her get back her ms soon

my gawd! whose's ms?? such a sad sad news...passerby stole her ms ar?

haiz,better dun put ur dog outside alone.
sum ppl who wan dogs bt not willing 2 pay,will steal.

Gosh ..... I was thinking of putting Max's cage at the car porch (with a padlock at the door) !!!

i cant send back to hometown coz my parents don know and don like to rear dogs...

really? if i let u help me kenji only can ar?

congrat
the ear cut edy when u bough??
have micro chip??
nice & cute ^^

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Added on October 1, 2009, 3:58 pmit is champion line???
& mayb cut ear edy so will b more expensive...

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Added on October 1, 2009, 4:01 pmomg...really sad
y u still look happie wif the funny face = =
how her ms been stole? or go out lost edy?

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Added on October 1, 2009, 4:01 pmhis ear cut until so short...
mine very long...

This post has been edited by louisfjh: Oct 1 2009, 04:01 PM

Hi all, sorry for not replying sooner...typing with one hand a bit tiring. Congrats on version 9, and it's good to see many more new owners of this beloved breed

hi all, is my ms which been stolen/taken by ppl..
sad sad sad..

kenji is ms ah?? kenji will bite things de ma..coz i rent room only o..i got furnish at living room de o..if spoil o..my rental scold de o

hi i ady pm u. check ur mailbox yea

Ya, cut ad when i bought. mirco chip ya, as the seller scan to proved me. Bout champline, no idea as the MKA cert not yet receive. Yet, really dont know wha all tis champ line bout, as sam quite expensive compare others ms i saw before. then ask any expert here can comment regards.

ya, so short i also feel it. but the seller say later grow older will turn balance and nicer

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Added on October 2, 2009, 12:40 am??i dont really know how to use the quote and reply features..so bluur.. Anyway thank ur sharing 1st and compliment on sam. Ya, 2k plus quite expensive compare other MS i survey. No idea bout wha this champ thing mean bout, so ask any expert can comment regards. but doesnt matter, jus curious to know in details.

Cert birth, ya..MKA cert but i havent receive.. i jus bought sam 1 month ago. Bout sam smart, not really . Maybe i not clarify clearly, a nightmare from the 1st day sam home. Spend 1 week more to train him peepoo at newspaper. Other than peepoo, as soon as possible to train all ground work sit command (esp wait food) and grooming like cleaning ear, brushing hair and cut nails especially. he sure struggle at 1st growl me and bite hand too. But i insist then sooner and sonner he adapt to it. But till now he still challenge me when i blow dry after wash mouth and shower. Any suggestion?

Regard peepoo, recently he missed quite often, make me so worry (flash back the nightmare), so ask u all any guidance. Ya, i will try positive reinforment by reward him. hopely work..

Bout teeth prob, when he will stop mouthing ? at 6 month age?..any suggestion on toy o bitting material usefull ?

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Added on October 2, 2009, 12:42 am??i dont really know how to use the quote and reply features..so bluur.. Anyway thank ur sharing 1st and compliment on sam. Ya, 2k plus quite expensive compare other MS i survey. No idea bout wha this champ thing mean bout, so ask any expert can comment regards. but doesnt matter, jus curious to know in details.

Cert birth, ya..MKA cert but i havent receive.. i jus bought sam 1 month ago. Bout sam smart, not really . Maybe i not clarify clearly, a nightmare from the 1st day sam home. Spend 1 week more to train him peepoo at newspaper. Other than peepoo, as soon as possible to train all ground work sit command (esp wait food) and grooming like cleaning ear, brushing hair and cut nails especially. he sure struggle at 1st growl me and bite hand too. But i insist then sooner and sonner he adapt to it. But till now he still challenge me when i blow dry after wash mouth and shower. Any suggestion?

Regard peepoo, recently he missed quite often, make me so worry (flash back the nightmare), so ask u all any guidance. Ya, i will try positive reinforment by reward him. hopely work..

Bout teeth prob, when he will stop mouthing ? at 6 month age?..any suggestion on toy o bitting material usefull ?

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Added on October 2, 2009, 12:43 am??i dont really know how to use the quote and reply features..so bluur.. Anyway thank ur sharing 1st and compliment on sam. Ya, 2k plus quite expensive compare other MS i survey. No idea bout wha this champ thing mean bout, so ask any expert can comment regards. but doesnt matter, jus curious to know in details.

Cert birth, ya..MKA cert but i havent receive.. i jus bought sam 1 month ago. Bout sam smart, not really . Maybe i not clarify clearly, a nightmare from the 1st day sam home. Spend 1 week more to train him peepoo at newspaper. Other than peepoo, as soon as possible to train all ground work sit command (esp wait food) and grooming like cleaning ear, brushing hair and cut nails especially. he sure struggle at 1st growl me and bite hand too. But i insist then sooner and sonner he adapt to it. But till now he still challenge me when i blow dry after wash mouth and shower. Any suggestion?

Regard peepoo, recently he missed quite often, make me so worry (flash back the nightmare), so ask u all any guidance. Ya, i will try positive reinforment by reward him. hopely work..

Bout teeth prob, when he will stop mouthing ? at 6 month age?..any suggestion on toy o bitting material usefull ?

This post has been edited by gavin_lee: Oct 2 2009, 12:43 AM

icic.. but i fel shorter nicer mah...
mine too long edy...

I wanted to buy MS for sometimes. Buy I don't know which breeder is good. Prefer Homebreed.

My cousin's gf got a MS from a breeder in Penang... but the puppy a lot of problem... So i need to be more careful on this....

I try search in the Garage Sales in LYN... but seems that cant find those thread that MS for sales...

Anyone here got good recommended???? Don't 1 so expensive.... no need MKA ..

??i dont really know how to use the quote and reply features..so bluur.. Anyway thank ur sharing 1st and compliment on sam. Ya, 2k plus quite expensive compare other MS i survey. No idea bout wha this champ thing mean bout, so ask any expert can comment regards. but doesnt matter, jus curious to know in details.

Cert birth, ya..MKA cert but i havent receive.. i jus bought sam 1 month ago. Bout sam smart, not really . Maybe i not clarify clearly, a nightmare from the 1st day sam home. Spend 1 week more to train him peepoo at newspaper. Other than peepoo, as soon as possible to train all ground work sit command (esp wait food) and grooming like cleaning ear, brushing hair and cut nails especially. he sure struggle at 1st growl me and bite hand too. But i insist then sooner and sonner he adapt to it. But till now he still challenge me when i blow dry after wash mouth and shower. Any suggestion?

Regard peepoo, recently he missed quite often, make me so worry (flash back the nightmare), so ask u all any guidance. Ya, i will try positive reinforment by reward him. hopely work..

Bout teeth prob, when he will stop mouthing ? at 6 month age?..any suggestion on toy o bitting material usefull ?

Hi Gavin,

When the seller tells you that the pup is from a champion line, it means that the pup comes from parent(s) who are champions in confirmation shows (either one of the parents is a champion or both). Confirmation shows are like beauty pageants for dogs, where they have judges looking for dogs who best represent the ideal breed specifications of the dog (structure, poise, temperament, gait, etc). Which is why the price is often jacked up really high, especially from petshops. Although a pup may come from a champion line, the pup may or may not be a potential show dog in the future. It all boils down to genes and luck (for the owner I guess). But it all doesn't really matter much if you're planning to keep Sam as a pet...most of us keep our pups as pets too. Show dogs are really high maintenance

Sam's MKA cert is basically a paper showing his lineage. It's a family tree of him and where he comes from (father, mother, grandparents, etc etc). You usually won't get it so soon...it takes a few months before you will get it. I only got Scottie's when he was about 5-6 months old

Potty training needs a lot of consistence...it's not only one week of training. You have to constantly show your pup that he is doing good when he does his business at the right place, coz puppies tend to forget very easily I can't exactly remember how long I took to get Scottie to remember to do his business at the right place...probably 1-2 months, maybe more. Even then, I sometimes get accidents, so it's all consistence I guess

Puppies are very playful so it's very normal to see all those biting and playing. Growling and biting at you MIGHT be his way of playing, but nonetheless if you feel he's not behaving correctly, be firm and consistent with him and he should get the message. They should always know we're the pack leaders, but I'm not saying that we should punish them unnecessarily though. Correction must be at the right timing to get the message across effectively. Training is never ending....there'll always be something for them to learn

If you feel mouthing is not for you, don't encourage your pup by letting him bite your hand or even anything that belongs to you. There are many toys and chews in the market...find something that your pup likes. Observe what kind of stuff he likes to chew on, and get a suitable toy with that kind of texture. Scottie loves soft toys, so I give him some old bears to play with...

Hope that helps you a little...sorry for the long-winded 'answer'. I'm no expert, but these are some things I've been through before, so just sharing my experiences

This post has been edited by Rayne: Oct 2 2009, 01:57 AM

then bebe ler? who is goin to take care of him??

oh yah..i noe some illegal workers in ipoh they catch stray dogs to eat wan..to them, its a normal thing. But i reali can't imagine dat there will be some heartless b****d dat will eat dogs lor. It is such a cruel act dun u think?

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Added on October 2, 2009, 2:15 amanyone saw dat happen???

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I still finding any good and kind hearted frens can take care of bebe...

Rayne, thank so much for ur sharing appreciated. Yea, i jus keep Sam as a home pet, so those champ thing really doesnt matters. Jus curious (after paying such price). As i remember, the seller said Sam mother side was a very famous champline, yet for father side or under confirmations shows or not, no idea cz dint mention (gotta ask him next time, probably on Sam 3rd vac, cz i live far from the petshop). Yea, i kinda excited 1st time saw Sam (doesnt care so much ad the price offer o those champ mean), moreover no idea at all bout the champline (what ever the seller said i only agreed with him) no point ask in details or to convince it's true.

I see, the MKA cert need wait so long. But i wanna to ask the MKA cert i receive later can prove Sam whether is really champline onot? show all lineage from both mom and dad as u mentioned..

Yea, no worry rayne. I ad done some research work regard training dog. From surf net till book, but all only read theoretically (cant really apply in real circumstance sometimes). Sam peepoo matters till now i guess alright (only missed pee) but i cant really judge future (cz heard lot of ppl said male like pee every where), kinda shadowin me. Yup, ur suggest bout consistent was rite. No more holiday for me after Sam arrived home, haha

Yea, i read before regard pack leader problem but i dont really feel sam behaved to challenge me. The problem i faced was the mouthing, everytime i approach him to hug or pet or play (he used mouth bite), is that the sign of dominant ? or jus playful.. Any playing ways can share wit me?

Yea, today i ad bought a toy for him (hard one, a bone type) but dunno can last longer onot. But do u know when puppy stop mouthing? When scottie stop that, u stil remember, haha ?

Amazing, MS breed really clever, sam know sit command earlier, so today i told him sit as usual, then i walk away (normally he will move whenever i walk away) but tis time he remain sit there. Then i walk away for a distance only call him, he run to me (impress me).. then i try few time, WORK ..i guess he know the stay command (but the wording i said not stay but sit lol, haha). hopely he stil able to perform tmr, haha. Do u know how to do 'down' and 'hand' ?.. i got try based on the book instruction, not really work.. u hav any tips sharing? sumore u enroll scottie to puppy or obedience classes before? Now i thinking bout that, not necessary rite?

Anyway thank ur sharing rayne

Well, if the seller is a reputable breeder, they would actually welcome questions as it will show that you are interested in learning more about the breed instead of just buying a dog No worries on asking many questions. If the seller gets irritated after answering questions, I don't think he is a reputable breeder.

Yes, the MKA cert will show that he's from a champion line...the father and /or mother will have the words like Mal. Ch. (or other countries' initials if they have won in other shows) in front of their names. If I'm not mistaken, the cert will show up to about 3-4 generations, maybe more...

I don't really know to what extent is Sam's mouthing coz I haven't seen him playing before, but if you don't want him to mouth at all, discourage the mouthing since puppyhood. Once it becomes a habit, it'll be very hard to correct when he's grown up. Scottie never does bite my hand to play, even when he was a pup. I guess I'm very lucky in that extent

Playing ways? Umm...I guess you can move the toy about to make him more interested in the toy. Or throw it a certain distance to get him to chase after it.

If you want to teach him those obedience commands, it's best to do it properly After Sam sits, tell him 'Stay' with your palm in front of his face (like a stop hand signal) and walk away. What you're doing nw (asking him to stay and calling him to you after that) is called a Recall exercise. It's good to hear that he's learning very fast, so practise a little with him everyday to get him to remember. But if he forgets, it's okay coz he's still small...just train with him for about 5 mins at a time, not too long or he'll get bored of training.

When I taught Scottie 'Down', I put him in a Sit position and with a treat on my hand, lower the treat down in front of his face and encourage him to go down. He follows the treat to a down position...the minute he goes down all the way, give the treat immediately and praise a lot 'Hand' (or 'Paw' when I teach Scottie) took me longer. I just hold his paw like I'm shaking his hand and tell him the command while praising him. Do it enough times over a period (I can't remember how long though ) and the next time I told him 'Paw', he lifts his hand to shake. When he does that, I praise him a lot and gave him a treat.

Of course, those might not be the only way to teach your pup those tricks...that's only how I taught Scottie I have a book called '101 Dog Tricks' by Kyra Sundance..I think it's very cool coz it teaches you how to teach the trick step by step with photos. I managed to teach Scottie a few tricks from that book (haven't got time to teach so much lately ) Try and get that one if you're interested in teaching tricks. Yes, I did send Scottie for obedience classes. I think everybody should at least send their dog for basic obedience classes...not only will you be learning how to train your pup, you'll get to socialise them too. Plus, you get more hands-on learning coz your trainer will let you know if you're doing things correctly or not. But, I have to say there is a difference between teaching tricks and obedience. Tricks are stuff like 'Hand', 'Beg', those stuff. Obedience is more to walking your dog the right way (Heeling), Sit, Down, Stays (Sit, Stand and Down), Recall, and the most important of all, how to control and manage your dog while they're outside.

If you're interested, there are many places in KL who hold these obedience classes. Places like Puppy.com.my, MKA, PetnYou, Pet Safari in Ikano Center. Be sure to have Sam get all his puppy vaccinations first before sending him to obedience classes though. Hope that helps!

This post has been edited by Rayne: Oct 4 2009, 01:25 AM

Anyone here willing to take care of Bebe? he is a good, smart and obedient dog ( shitzhu mix). you will sure like him when u stay around with him.

How much does it costs for sending them to obedience classes?is it expensive?

It depends on where are you sending your pup to. For me, it's worth it to send Scottie for classes as I can see quite an improvement in him after training. Plus, he gets to socialize and make friends with more dogs at the training grounds. It's also very interesting (for me at least) to be able to teach Scottie and observe how quickly or slowly he picks up a command and adjusting to make him understand the command..in short, I quite enjoy training

I have only inquired at a few of these places, but it was quite some time ago, so they might have revised their fee structure since. Call the centre up or visit their website to know more about their fees.

Puppy.com.my - website here. Last time I sent Scottie for Novice class, it's RM250 for 10 lessons, 1 hour each lesson. Training days are only on Sunday. They have 2 training grounds: 1 in Taman Desa and 1 in Ampang.

MKA - website here. They have their training grounds in Central Park near 1 Utama. Fees are RM100 for 10 lessons, but you have to register to be a member to join (RM80 registration fees). Training days are only on Sunday.

Pet Safari at Ikano Power Centre - website here. Their training place is at the petstore itself. Last I inquired, it was about RM300 plus for 10 lessons. They have many slots for training though, if I remember correctly almost 7 days a week, but they have different intake times so call them up to find more details.

PetnYou - website here. I have not inquired about this place, but I have a few friends who have enrolled their furkids for training there and are doing quite well. Contact them for more details on their classes and training grounds if you're interested.


I'm sure there are more obedience classes held in KL but these are the few that I know of that you could get a head start in inquiring about training your pup All these schools have very good trainers and the syllabus are about the same, so choose the one that you feel most comfortable with (people and financial-wise) Hope this helps!

Hands and paw at Aman Suria - RM 230

Anyone having hard time to travel with a MS in a car? Even for a short distance?

My MS keeps on jumping here and there, make me so difficult to concentrate. + the dashboard and panel will be scratched. She knows how to sit and stay when she is in the house but not in the car. Anyone?

I personally have not experienced that with Scottie...when he's still a pup, I would sometimes take him out for drives and he would sit at the passenger seat quietly. Funny thing was, he knows when we've reached home...he would jump on my lap once the car's parked

I have seen some dog harnesses that you can purchase to buckle (like seat belts) to the car seats, but I don't know if they're sold here in Malaysia. Or you can get a car seat cover for dogs...they go on the back seats so that your pup wouldn't dirty the car seats. Maybe it could minimize scratches too?

another ms lover here from ipoh??

wow...recently..alot cropped ear ms here.... welcome welcome....

i got a small little problem here...

My MS HIRO is 8 weeks old now, which means 2 months. When he sees food, he goes really anxious as if not eaten a few days. Is there a way to stop this?? It is hard for me to do training as he will just jump, push and scratch when he smells food.

All i manage to do is to get him to sit. During playtime, he will suddenly go into the kitchen and wait, come out, bark a few times to lure me to kitchen. (there's where the food is).

Issit too young for training?

Hi yikhoe,

It's never too early to start training, although when we start them at such a young age we need to be very patient and never expect too much as they are still growing and learning

Before you feed your pup, don't give him excitable signals like asking him if he wants to eat, etc. Just go over and put the food in the bowl. Wait until he has stopped jumping before feeding. You can try to tell him to sit, but if he doesn't listen just wait until he gets tired. This will probably take a long time since he's excitable, but we have to be firm. Once he stops jumping, doesn't matter if he's standing or sitting, then you give him the food. Do this enough times during meal times and he will understand that he needs to be calm before he gets his food.

Once he gets the idea that he has to be calm (don't rush into this so fast though), get him to sit and wait before he gets his food.Slowly you can put the bowl at his feet and only allow him to eat when you give the release command (like 'OK' or 'Good Boy'). I did this with Scottie from when he's about 2 months old too He has learnt that he will only get food if he sits quietly and wait. Hope that helps you in getting your pup to be calm

EDIT: If he does the luring thing, ignore him. Only give treats or food on YOUR terms and time. When you do give him, let him earn the treat by asking him to do tricks (if so far he has learnt sit, get him to sit before you give him the treat. Later on, when he has mastered more commands, ask him to do one or two before giving). If you indulge him in this habit, he'll keep doing it whenever he wants to, and he would think that you are his follower instead of his pack leader.

This post has been edited by Rayne: Oct 5 2009, 04:54 PM

Hey, ray.. sorry for late replyin.. regard sam background details, i ad ask the seller whether both parent champ and in confirmation shows.. the seller said only Sam mom side was champ and under confirmation show but on the father side normal schnauzer with MKA cert.. so in ur opinion Sam not really categorize under champline and the price offered consider expensive?

Bout mouthing, Sam really like bite hand everytime approach him (touch his head, body or while play). Quite annoying aldo i scold everytime Sam bite, he will stop but the next time do it again. (now me sore throat, no more sound to scold ad, haha).. maybe he stil young, playful..hope sooner alright

Gosh!! Ms breed amazing. Sam able to do the hand and stay command only 2 day. U remember that day i reply u said so excited cz Sam know stay command aldo the word i used was sit. Then the next day, i teach hand (repeated do before meal), Sam able to perform after few repeat. Yet, at the same time i able to do something new ( put the treat/kibble at floor in front Sam sight without my word he cant eat it)..haha, Sam will sit quietly lookin the treat patiently then only i said okay he will rush eat it. haha, is this consider trick ... but unfortnate i cant train Sam to do 'Down' command, he jus wont lay down, even sometime he afraid i train him down command, he wil look blur and forgot sit as well and move away.

Nevertheless, i not so pro in doing all command (able to perform but not in proper ways)Like u said do stay command with hand signal stop him.haha..bout the book u mention '101 Dog Tricks'.. how much u bought?..yet, do u know the ways train him to catch the ball then take back to u? Scottie knew tha? Sam wil catch ball when i throw but not take it back to me lo (He will take back to his bed and chew), haha. and any trick simple and easy can share wit me? thank a lot 1st.

Summore today i realize Sam fur look changing color, all the under (interior) fur seem grow brownish color out. Then now his fur 3/4 black and 1/4 brownish. I call bc the seller, he told me that sam puppy fur will change color at 3 or 4 month and second time again at 7 or 8 month and tis one is final one and the actual color of his entire life. He recommend me to buy a powder to maintain black pigmentation (forgot the name, but goin buy tis weekend as sam go for 3rd vac). Yet, he told me not to exposure sam to sun, cz will harm black fur cause brownish oso. So i dont think can enroll sam to any obedience class to avoid sun. So i can only enrol sam for indoor training at ikano but tht quite expensive and far from my place.

Today i try cut myself Sam fur (only head), make his used to the scissors (if not later older hard to do it, struggle and cant stay calm).. but weird his look now, haha.. i'm not a pro groomer..here a pic after cut, send u see




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Champion line means it can be either father or mother is a champ, or both. So if Sam's mother is a Mal. Ch. then yes, he is considered from a champion line. I don't really know what is the market price for Min. Schnauzers these days, but champion line pups are usually sold at higher prices because of the father or mother's 'fame'. Yet, the puppy's potential to be a show dog in the future can never be guaranteed. But whether he's show potential or not, you've already bought Sam and he's part of your family now...I guess it's not a big issue on whether he is expensive or not, since you've already got him.

What you're doing with Sam now (giving him a release command before he can eat) is also a trick. Actually, whatever you can teach him to do, is considered trick training...there are no specific names or commands that you have to use. The names that we use only makes it easier to recognise. However, if you plan to do obedience training, there are some specific exercises to do, and stuff like Stay and Come are part of those. Your trainer will let you know about that when you attend those classes.

The '101 Dog Tricks' book I got from Kinokuniya. It costs about RM66, but there are lots of other trick books that you can get. This is just one that I got and liked, so have a look around to find which ones you like best Yes, Scottie knows how to fetch the ball for me, but I have not tried this outside. He only does it quite consistently at home. I can't say I've trained him to do that though...what I do is I would throw the ball and then he would go get it. Once he holds the ball, I call him to come back to me. When he comes back, I praise him like mad and sometimes give him a treat. After a while, he sort of does it most of the time When he doesn't, I go over to him and make him hold the toy to come to where I was sitting and tell him the command 'Bring' (or you can use 'Fetch').

I have not heard of Min. Schnauzer coats changing colour or its black pigmentation becoming less from being exposed to the sun. Sounds very far fetched to me. Scottie is already 2+ years old, and I can safely say that his markings have been the same through out. His colour has faded a little from the darker colours of his puppyhood because of grooming with electric clippers. When we groom with electric clippers (as most groomers do), it takes away the undercoat which is supposed to be harsher, and causing the dog's coat colour to lighten a little. The 'proper' way to groom the Min. Schnauzer is to hand strip it, but that procedure is very expensive and very time consuming. Plus, it's mostly done for confirmation shows. Since Scottie is only a pet dog, I just send him for clipper sessions with the groomers. From what I've read about the breed so far, I have not seen anything that says exposure to sun will cause change of color in the dog's coat, or that puppy coats will change color. Perhaps it's best to do some reading on our own to clarify what some people are saying. Get a book on the breed to know about it's specifications and characteristics. I'm not saying that we shouldn't listen to what other people are saying, but sometimes a little checking needs to be done to make sure what we are following is correct and not blindly following other's advice.

Aww...they look so cute posing from the sofa

here!

hi yikhoe~ u can try to put ping pong ball in the bowl...this can actually slow down the speed ..

Wah .. so cute .....

near ipoh...at kampar currently

awww...so jealous your dollar and sexy so pandai to pose
my phoebe dont like to look at the camera even when i call her name...
make me so hard to capture pictures of her de

This post has been edited by feverkidz: Oct 6 2009, 11:01 AM

Any new gathering coming soon ?

rayne, i just spot scottie with glasses... so cute!!

regarding gathering.. when u guys want it?

Haha...thank you, thank you

Speaking of gatherings, yeah it has been quite some time ady since I've been to a gathering. After I broke my arm, it's like time suspended or something...

reali...curently in ipoh??ipoh whr?

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This post has been edited by karie88: Oct 7 2009, 10:31 PM

When ?

Any gathering ?

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what wo...
kampar go ipoh very near only mah
i always also drive to ipoh de la

lol version 9 here

aragonlee:bebe pee/poo at indoor or outdoor? and those sembayang thingy on floor bebe will 'play' it o not?

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what wo...
kampar go ipoh very near only mah
i always also drive to ipoh de la

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Wahlou ... very far oh ....

Bebe pee/poo on weepad.. usually indoor. but if bring him go out.. he will pee poo at outside also... i tried bring him go back my house b4...he nvr play those sembahyang things... but if do... jst yell no..he wont go near ady. he very obedient n behave one..

ok, let me discuss with my family member, i let you know tmr

oo its ok asa... i found ppl who can help me jaga bebe liao.. ty anyway

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Added on October 8, 2009, 10:40 pmthank you very much for your help

This post has been edited by aragonlee: Oct 8 2009, 10:40 PM

oh, is ok, no problem

nobody interested with the gathering?

im very interested!
i want let phoebe socialize...she dont have friends
but im at kampar...how to join wo...
aaah~~~so sad

Kampar?

You're a UTAR student living at Jalan Kampar Perdana 4?

very interested! have been waiting 4 the gathering for months dy..want my boy to enjoy himself

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what wo...
kampar go ipoh very near only mah
i always also drive to ipoh de la

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ya la...oso can say no tat far geh...u so rich so many petrol...hahaha....