or they really have to sell toys!! coz the post UD41 will be saturated soon. Which means the government can no longer provide housemanship training for newly graduate doctors. They have to wait for the old HO to complete their housemanship and upgrade to UD44 before new post available. If this trend continues, don't surprise to see MBBS or MD holder trying to sell u toys in the future

Oh wow. Just found out that monash Sunway mbbs gaduates can work at Australia. NO need take extra exams.

When I was there for a talk, I could sense the 'This is why we charge so much, you see. Consider it as an investment' vibe from the speaker.

Paying Malaysian fees but can work at Australia. Not that bad ma.

Care to explain how that works?

Well, the thing with Monash Sunway is you're essentially receiving a Malaysian qualification (lecturers and staff are Malaysians, classmates are Malaysians and patients are Malaysians). I don't see how studying at Monash Sunway makes it any more Australian than the other private medical schools.

And I honestly don't even know where Monash Sunway stands when it comes to internship allocation. I'm sure you have heard of the medical student tsunami in Australia - there may not even be enough internships for domestic students in Victoria.

You may want to check out the internship guide from the Postgraduate Medical Council of Victoria.

http://computermatching.pmcv.com.au/public...ntroduction.pdf

ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA FOR PARTICIPATING IN INTERN MATCH
 Australian Trained (Permanent Resident) Graduate of a Victorian Medical Faculty
 Temporary Resident Medical Graduate of a Victorian Medical Faculty (i.e. international full-fee
student)
 Australian Trained (Permanent Resident) Graduate of an Interstate Medical Faculty
 Temporary Resident Medical Graduate of an Interstate Medical Faculty (i.e. international full-fee
student)
 New Zealand Medical School Graduate (Australian Permanent Resident or New Zealand citizen)
 Australian Medical Council Graduate (Permanent Resident) who requires a 12 months supervised
placement

Now seriously, which category does Monash Sunway fall into? You can't possibly be an international full-fee student because you commenced your studies as a Malaysian student at a Malaysian campus

Interesting note:
IMPORTANT INFORMATION for all full-fee international students who are graduates of Australian
Medical Schools:
Full-fee international medical graduates from Australian medical schools, who are not required to complete an
internship in their country of origin (visa regulations apply), can apply for internship in Victoria.
If you have been sponsored during your medical degree, and you are seeking internship, you must provide evidence
that you have gained approval from your funding or sponsorship agency to undertake internship in Victoria.

It says you need approval from your funding or scholarship agency, makes you wonder...

Lol whether there are enough internship places or not in Australia does not concern me. What interests that this degree is good in the sense that it allows you to work at two countries, no questions asked.

During the 5th year, all medical students from sunway are required to go to Australia for one semester, which is one of the requirements set by the AMC for a student from
Monah Sunway to work at Australia.

You do realize that you can't practise as a physician in Australia without first completing an internship and then obtaining full registration with the respective medical boards.

Well, if you're focusing solely on AMC accreditation, just about anyone can work in Australia as long as you pass your AMC exam... surely students from other private medical schools (which by the way promote themselves as world class) can pass that too since they're pretty much subjected to the same training conditions as Monash Sunway graduates.

Whatever happens after graduation is none of the university's business and so accreditation does not necessarily translate into employment opportunities.

What makes a university education count is not the content of the course, but rather the people you meet and interact along the way. Can you imagine what studying at an institution, where most if not all of the students just can't wait to leave the country, would be like ?! Monash Sunway may have the Monash name attached to it, but are you getting an experience that is different from what you would get in any other private medical school? Because ultimately Monash Sunway is a PRIVATE initiative, whereas Monash Clayton is a PUBLIC institution. You wouldn't find any Australian medical student (or for that matter UK or USA) eagerly trying to leave their country after graduation - how can a country ever improve with such a mentality as ours ???

This post has been edited by Huskies: Mar 29 2011, 11:59 AM

this is not new........the mbbs monash msia degree had amc recognition right from the beginning........certainly they use it as a selling point........

what most people don't realise however, is that the right to work in oz is not determined by your qualification, but by your status with the dept of immigration and citizenship.......as a foreigner, you need to have an appropriate visa to work........and the problem is then, for monash msia grads to be eligible for theses visas......

onshore australian graduates will be eligible for one of two categories of work visa.....and once they get a housemanship offer (ie placed) they WILL get the visas, by virtue of having studied in oz for at least 2 years........

monash msia graduates do NOT have this right.........

look carefully at the prospectus, and website......in small prints, they say they do not guarantee availability of housemanship jobs, anywhere......

i heard some msia grads have gone to work in oz......i am not sure how they did that, some could already have been oz pr..............in which case, of course it's not an issue......

Ahhh I see. So it's not green light all the way.

@husky
Why would their graduates want to leave anyway....? The medical system in their respective countries are already so good. Malaysia, on the other hand........

They wouldn't, which is exactly why Malaysian graduates should stay to improve the system (sadly not the case). As much as they hate to admit it, most private students would agree that the country is a lost cause. What's the point of having so many colleges (infrastructure-wise) when there are simply not enough brains to staff them properly?

I also came to know that recent monash sunway mbbs graduates has secured internships in oz and this is a positive development and hope to encourage the staff and academics to work harder.

Eventhough it seems like they dont have this right for working visa - they will still get the 457 visa eventually coz once they are matched, the hospital HR will sponsor them for one - not too difficult, i dont think there's a case where visa is an issue (very unlike the UK).

And come on, paying 400k for an internship in aussie is DAMN COOL, but in expense of recognition from singapore. Once aussie is saturated (in 2-3 years time) then monash malaysia might not be a good choice anymore.

457 is the other category of visa for housemans....it's actually a sponsored temporary business visa......

yes 'business'...!

key is sponsored, so you will still need to get a placement.......

onshore grads can use the 485........

Are you sure that they've secured spots for internships? As far as I know, hospitals are struggling with spots for internships. For the mainland unis, they have reserved spots for their own local graduates. For tasmania, we aren't guaranteed a place in tassie. It's proposed that they will try to increase the internship spots. I reckon for international students, even with 'secured' internship placements, they will send you to rural areas.

Just wondering, is the syllabus for MBBS monash sunway based on Malaysia or Aussie? I mean, there will be differences in prevalence in diseases, risk factors etc.

Only for the 2010/2011 match, because they had more internship positions than local graduates. This would not happen in the future.

THe syllabus is mostly based on Aussie with slight modifications.

At least, it is a start and a precedent has been set. Not surprising though for an Oz-linked MBBS degree.

Guys sorry for interrupting the discussion. May I know if the medicine book is provided by the university or have to be bought beforehand? Also, is there any book that are good to read before attending any class as I almost forgot everything about biology right now



Searching the site I found some recommend these book:

Should I read any of the book now?

This post has been edited by Ibrahimovic: Mar 30 2011, 04:40 PM

where you going for medical course.

for most medical schools, there will be a list of recommended textbooks by the respective departments and there will also be a list of books recommended by the seniors. you are free to use whichever book you like though.

in my opinion a good book is a book that you read. so any book is ok as long as you enjoy reading it and will do so consistently.

Well I'm just gonna say I'm going to a well-respected university

But unfortunately the forum and website don't provide any clue I heard that it best to go to your first day without buying anything as the lecturer might using another book. Is it true?

This might be a little bit early but do you guys know the normal attire for the class?