Among the internationals, is there a percentage breakdown of the different nationalities? I think Singaporeans will be least affected as most do not mind going back after graduation. Not sure about the Canucks' stand.

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Added on May 30, 2012, 10:10 amGood on AMSA!

http://www.amsa.org.au/press-release/20120...hools-says-amsa

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This is the only information I can dig up - note it's from 2008, so I'm assuming Malaysian numbers have dropped significantly since then (establishment of Monash Sunway, change in course structure from undergraduate to postgraduate and the cessation of JPA sponsorship to Australia). On the other hand, Canadian and American numbers have swelled mainly due to the aforementioned change in program structure and aggressive expansion in international places at UQ, USyd and UniMelb.

Main source countries for international medical students enrolled in Australian undergraduate and graduate entry courses, December 2008*

Source country Numbers enrolled:
Malaysia 1075
Singapore 511
Canada 360
Indonesia 138
United States 79
Botswana 77
Brunei Darussalam 67
Hong Kong SAR 50
Republic of South Korea 42
Norway 27
China 21
Taiwan 19
Japan 15
Sri Lanka 15
India 13
All other 156
Total 2665

*Unpublished analysis by A Langley of Australian international student enrolment data from the Department of Education, Employment and Workplace Relations, Canberra, February 2010.

This post has been edited by Huskies: May 30 2012, 10:46 AM

i believe there is a guarantee all domestic students will get an internship place....so the excess graduates will be all internationals.....

i am not sure the oz gov will have the political will, or even wish, to expand places to accommodate these internationals....

there was an era, in the late 80's and early 90's, where foreign students were not allowed to stay on and do their housemanship....that however, was not full fees students, although they have already started charging some fees by that time.....many msians went off to uk for that (spore was restricted only to melb/syd grades)....

i would think a majority of full fees (and plus actually) international students are willing to pay because of the opportunity of residence and work in oz post study.....take that away, and enrolment will drop.....

canucks and americans will probably not be affected...sporeans probably little affected....

the irony is, there is still a shortage of doctors, especially in regional areas.....but a bottle neck in internship is driving away doctors!

Wow! But I agree that numbers have dropped. There's only around 10 malaysians in Monash Clayton, among the 60+ internationals. Am sure numbers have dropped in other oz med schools as well. And with more awareness of the internship shortage and high fees, numbers may drop significantly. Plus, there are so many med schools in Malaysia now.

You know what I'd really to know - how many of these Malaysians are/were government scholars and how many actually returned to Malaysia? JPA and MARA could have easily thrown away tens, if not hundreds of millions of ringgit for those non-returning scholars - would this not be a gross misappropriation of funds on the scale of the NFC?

Are you on FaMa? I think for those under JPA, there is an obligatory amount that needs to be paid. I suppose if that is paid, then that's all there is to it. I'd rather not go into "misappropriation of funds" - that's another whole big topic.

The only other country on the list of source nations to actually sponsor students to study medicine in Australia is Botswana (and certainly not on the scale that Malaysia did in the past)- and even if the amount is reimbursed in full by the scholar, Malaysia would still have lost the "talent" to Australia - it's a good thing they've finally come to their senses, they've been subsidising Australian medical education for far too long

So will you be returning to good ole malaysia then?

Let's just say...I'd like to keep my options open

I feel you! How many more years to go?

When one door is closing, other doors will open. We are battle hardened and will find ways to achieve our objectives.

In the immediate future, its will still be Sunway Monash and IMU.

Well, I wont know what will happen to UK in the near future as well. If oz and UK won't appreciate our contribution of subsidies, we just have to move on.

But what really irks me is that they move the goal posts while you are in mid-stream.

i think we have to realise, by studying there, we are only buying an education.....and they have NEVER promised the right to internship after, nor right to work......

therefore, what is happening is NOT that they failed to keep their promise, since they promised nothing except an education....it's just that in the past, they have accepted foreigners to stay on and work.....and this may slowly be a closing door.....and we assume the open door comes with the education and get upset when it closes........

I am with you on this. One can ONLY HOPE that an opportunity to work (and therefore get registered) presents itself upon graduation.

Yes, it was not promised but the assumption is there. If internationals do not get internships, the numbers will be reduced quite a lot.

If only they had a 5 yr working forecast, before students move to the starting point, a lot of unnecessary worries could hv been avoided.

Just imagine if Ptptn said close shop end of this year!

Do note that the said assumption was not made by the respective authorities/countries. As far as medical grads are concerned, the number of internship places were not filled by the home students, and therefore internationals were given the opportunity to intern. It was never a given. If one looks at the oz scenario, there are enough places for the domestics, and I will hazArd a guess that should there be any increase in spots, it will cater to the future domestic shortfall, if any. There was a survey by AMSA asking if international students will be agreeable to be bonded if they are given internships. Whether or not the results of the survey will be used for future proposals, only time will tell.

there should be no assumption....in fact, the offer letters very clearly state there is NO guarantee of internship/housemanship placement.........

like i said, there was a time when not only there was no guarantee, non residents were barred from taking up housemanship places in oz....and doctors was not in the list of needed professionals and being a doctor is even deducted points in the pr application....

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