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post Apr 7 2010, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(seiken @ Apr 7 2010, 07:28 PM)
30 House Officers in the Medical ward in GHKL....some other hospitals have 20-40 house officers in a ward.

How to survive when we come out? I'm graduating 2011..hopefully.

No regulations by the authorities AT ALL. What. The. Heck.
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yea...housemen no training at all...
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post Apr 23 2010, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(lovelysky7 @ Apr 22 2010, 11:42 PM)
thanks for the links smile.gif 
seems like they still have entrance exam even if you have A-level or other qualifications
anyone have comment on these countries' medical qualities?
how about Russia? no offense but some of the doctors that I met don't encourage to go to Russia
yet some give opinions that Russia's med school is good
I would like to know which one is true?

Other than that, why the cost for medical studies there is cheap aa? (compared to others, in fact some even cheaper than in Indonesia)
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russia medical schools are good. but the thing is, medical students are separated into 2 groups. one is their own students, where the syallabus are taught in russian, and the other are 'others', or maybe whole class also malaysians.

like it or not..there will definitely be biased in the teachings...
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post Apr 23 2010, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(cygoh9 @ Apr 23 2010, 03:44 AM)
Please justify.
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as someone mentioned earlier.. the medicals itself is good..if not why the government will send our students there and JPA approves their course..

just that they might be practicing double standard..when officials come to visit..they will do everything nicely..u know what i mean...

but then again malaysians or foreigners won know whether the quality is good or not because they only compare with other malaysians or foreigners. unless some people will ask their russian counterparts on how different or same is their course conducted.

trust me. i've been to hospital attachments before. the standard of a russian graduate compared to local private candidate is so much different.

of course u may say i am biased because there are still good students coming back from russia.

but in the eyes of doctors, generally those from russia, not good.

my 2 cents.=)
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post Apr 23 2010, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 23 2010, 08:11 PM)
jpa 'approval' has NOTHING to do with the quality of a course or qualification..........

gov send scholarship students because it is a cheap place......again that has nothing to do with quality.......
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then again...even more proving its not good..

but does it means that cheap unis is not good? i will leave that question for you to ponder. nod.gif
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post Apr 23 2010, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 23 2010, 09:23 PM)
i implied nothing about the relationship between cheap and quality.........

your implication is that russia must be good because the gov send scholarship stuidents there.........i am correcting that error by pointing out they choose russia because it is one of the cheapest place.......

consider this......they still send the TOP scholarship students (yes, even under scholarships, there are ranking) to uk and oz.........at 4 times the cost of russia.........why?..........
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by saying government sending them there does not imply they are good..just recognised by jpa...

if u noticed those who got sent to russia are those whose results are not so good in the first place, appealed through various organisations and finally the government agreed to send them there. indonesia is another place too. why?u mentioned it. both are cheap..
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post Apr 24 2010, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 24 2010, 12:00 AM)
you are contradicting yourself........
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haha.oh well...maybe my expression through typing still needs more improvement..
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post Apr 24 2010, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Apr 24 2010, 01:35 PM)
hi zstan, r u in medskol now?
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nope....decided not to after seeing the current conditions in the general hospitals... sweat.gif
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post Apr 24 2010, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(cygoh9 @ Apr 24 2010, 04:24 PM)
lol sorry zstan for quoting u again. What do u see in the general hospitals?
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ermmmm...for one..overcrowding...now u see one department or one big ward got about 30 housemen...and the ward is divided into few cubicles...each cubicle got about 3-4 housmen handling those patients but still they can kelam kabut one...

20 years ago..during my uncle's time who is now a surgeon...he is the only housemen in the whole ward...everything big and small he is also involved..

at his time he already handled appendicitis and some other minor operations..now those housemen go in OT just stand beside and look only..


so u can imagine the kind of training doctors receive nowadays and 20 years ago...it doesn't matter whether how hardworking are you..there is just not much chance to get proper training..medicine is not just textbooks and theories..you need to get your hands on the patient...and every single patient is different and unique....


but then some will not mind..more people=less work..and the government is making it worse by flooding the whole system by producing even more doctors...

my 2 cents.

This post has been edited by zstan: Apr 24 2010, 05:05 PM
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post Apr 24 2010, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Apr 24 2010, 06:56 PM)
Yeah, i love my hometown =) people do have misconceptions that sarawak is a jungle and stuff like that. haha~ it makes me laugh when they ask me "do you all still live on trees?" and i'll answer them "yes we do! we have wireless internet and lifts up our treehouses." =) but yes, I'll definitely go back to work one day.
Ah sorry to hear that this disheartened you. But IMHO, if this is the sole reason why your not going into med, then you've made the right choice, if you get what I mean. Still, I hope you're doing well in whatever your in now =) *and I love the pics in ur blog, how i envy photographers with their dslr =( I wish i have one.*
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errr...that guy/girl asked what i thought about the public hospitals..not why i didn't take medicine..but yea..that's one of my concerns....

haha..thanks for ur admiration..can always go buy one ma..those entry levels one quite cheap....
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post Apr 24 2010, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Apr 24 2010, 10:07 PM)
re-quote your previous post: nope....decided not [go into medicine] to after seeing the current conditions in the general hospitals... (zstan 2010)

So my previous post was really pointing towards this statement, but of course it is linked to your post about what did you see in gen hosp. So i was saying, if this is your MAIN concern that lead you away, then you've made the right choice not going into med, imho, and of course not in a sarcastic manner.
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haha.actually have a few MAIN concerns actually...but if you ask is that concern(overcrowded) my number one concern? i would say no. nod.gif
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QUOTE(cgan @ Apr 24 2010, 11:41 PM)
so if ur not doing med what are u planning to pursue? jz wanna ask if u dun mind  biggrin.gif
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erm..pharmacy in monash... nod.gif
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post Apr 28 2010, 01:40 PM

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not 37 medical schools mer?got few more public u din add...sigh...yet my people still wants to take up medicine...
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post Apr 28 2010, 04:40 PM

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they should freeze pharmacy schools too..quite a lot mushrooming around....
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post Apr 29 2010, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(cgan @ Apr 29 2010, 01:26 PM)
I guess Malaysia can't really afford to freeze med and pharmacy skuls cause they would end up facing shortage of doctors/pharmacy. Fresh graduates these days would prefer to migrate to other countries - quality of life much higher and more comfortable. I heard doctors/dentist/pharmacist who are fresh graduates in Australia can earn up to 6k to 7k AD per month in just a couple of years. If you convert that's easily RM18k a month.

But it is scary though when u see students who barely pass their pre-U studyin a medical related course. The diff between the medical profession and business/engineering/law/accountancy/etc is that the medical line deals with people's life. If students are ONLY interested in $$$, it's best they pursue something else cause it would be sad to see in the future doctors in hospitals who couldn't care less about the health and welfare of their patients
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you are generalizing. there are still a lot more who can't afford to migrate to other countries. and it doesn't always mean that the grass is greener over the other pasture. yes they can earn a lot, but did you add the high income tax, and high cost of living too? over there no hawker centre selling mixed rice for rm4 or roti canai at rm1.

the other difference is that this kind of jobs is also recession proof..and there are already doctors who see nothing but money. cheers. laugh.gif
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post May 1 2010, 11:08 AM

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IPTA got scholarships one a? i thought its already sooooooooooo cheap. o.O
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post May 1 2010, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(wgy589 @ May 1 2010, 11:17 AM)
that's why most of them didn't come with bond, even when living expenses were included.
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singapore want them they sure run fast fast lor...nothing wrong also...at least..I THINK..the conditions over there better than our GH..and of course the super high pay...who would think twice? these are the people that get the most benefits as they really earn every cent and no PTPTN loan to pay off.. notworthy.gif
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post May 1 2010, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(MBBS siang @ May 1 2010, 11:43 AM)
All the critical medical related courses like medicine,dentistry and pharmacy will be automatically granted a scholarship by JPA for those IPTA students. They can choose to accept it or reject it. According to my friend in UKM,they are bonded for 10 years government service by JPA if they accept. Therefore,some of them reject it because the fees is very cheap.
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really???wow..since when JPA so kind..those doing medicine IMO should really take it as you will be at gov hospital for no less than 15 years..unless you are satisfied at MO level and want to drop out..

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post May 4 2010, 09:36 AM

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you want to compare uk quality and czech quality? gosh..
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post May 7 2010, 05:21 PM

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the staff nt working here i guess.=/
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sad news.sigh.

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