Lol.. seems like u still dun understd..
I didn't ask about marriage issue, or the girl is super gorgeous in eyes A, should have doubt on the girl or not etc... crap thingy...
read my questions..dun pusing-pusing n play inside bushes la.

1st questions.
Whether A should have dump B long time ago?

A - normal hardworking guy earning good average pay
B - Girl tat only accept guys tat can provide more security (XXXXXX), no money can only be friend with A to buy some time 1st... use A as spare tayar in case got emergency.

Since u said u not guy duno how to answer, ask guy whisper or tampon nice? now give another excuse go ask ur husband tat question lar...
like playin inside bushes.. den fine.  i reverse the questions with diff scenario earlier also....

if you insist an answer no matter how unrealistic it can be, then YES, Guy should keep girl. If I were a boy, I would pamper her, I would understand how she feel about security, I must first look at myself and see if I'm even qualify to marry her, do I have the capability to start a family.

If she accept me then I'm proud of myself and know I'm there, I'm successful.

Happy?

No matter how unrealistic it can be? This is real thing happen in BGR nowdays, you as a mother and when ur son grow up later, hope u will adv ur son like wat u wrote above ok? Don't say i dunno, not realistic, ask hubby adv ur son. 

Knowing the girl is money minded, and also have other guy friends, treat ur son as normal friend /special spare tayar for few years eventho ur son have confessed to her many times. Don't know whether she also like to play inside the bushes with other guys. Theres high possibility the girl will stray away n go fly kite with other richer man when she found 1. When that time happen, hope no1 end up haf 2 see doctor for counselling.
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Same goes if i ask this question.

A girl who knows her bf alwys have affair outside but still stay with him for years because the BF rich have $$$$/ strong family financial backup. Hoping her bf will be touched and chg with her sincerity n loves. Later married ady still not chg .. divorce chances

Whether tat girl should have dump rich bf long time ago?
Yes- the girl should have dump B long time ago?
No- Tat girl should cont the relationship hoping rich bf will chg for good.

they're many more things involve, and things like this happen everyday,
you must make clear in the first place if the girl really love that guy.

Do u read the word i highlighted above in red ?

You know I've this happening to my frens the husband is not even rich, earning about 5k, she caught him hvg a girl and when they quarrel he even beat her. I told her to dump him, but she just couldnt, infact she tried to revive the marriage by opening a biz for him loan from the parents I know the family very well, the parents are not rich either they refinance the house. I really wanted to tell her parents not to loan, but my other gf told me better dun get mixed up.

so i just stood aside and watch her destroy her life, at first she did bought sometime, he left the girl and my fren was so happy, later, again she caught him with another girl, after that he left her for that girl.

my fren cut her wrist, send to hospital, parents have to make false report caused by falling and smashing the sliding door.

so you see when you see such a case dun take life so simple...girl wants money, you think people no feeling one meh?

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So here, u will adv to dump tat guy (not even rich, 5K) , if that guy earn 10K how ?... maybe theres some chance tat guy will be touched by ur frens sincerity n loves and chg for good? Why don't u adv if ur fren really loves him, its okla give him chance and hope he will chg? Like ur adv earlier for the guy to continue chase the B girl by improving himself financially.  Kinda opposite view from ur 1st reply...irony.

Have u heard the saying "A Leopard Can't Change His Spots" ?

The main point for my 1st question is if u know the one u loves, don't loves u at the beginning but loves u later when u have more money, will u dump your loves one earlier or cont drag till get married lo knowing ur loves one loves ur money and den willing to loves u n marry u. 
Simple nia.. YES or NO.

again this happen everyday. want to hear stories?

No thxs.

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Added on October 7, 2009, 10:49 pmDuno la.. some ppl maybe. U din photo chop the baby pic still okla...

I feel both oso cute in their own ways. 
Actually i prefer cute baby, so i vote baby more cute.

Guys guys, you are debating with women the wrong way.
You have to use THEIR OWN concept and idea against them to debate with them.
So girls, if you believe that it is ok for a girl to choose a guy based on money and security so a guy CAN ALSO choose a girl based on her looks and how tight her vagina is correct? If one day the girl is old , no longer pretty with all the wrinkles, it's also ok to divorce or dump her correct?

Guys guys, you are debating with women the wrong way.
You have to use THEIR OWN concept and idea against them to debate with them.
So girls, if you believe that it is ok for a girl to choose a guy based on money and security so a guy CAN ALSO choose a girl based on her looks and how tight her vagina is correct? If one day the girl is old , no longer pretty with all the wrinkles, it's also ok to divorce or dump her correct?

if you mean price = money, then you're so wrong, there are something that people wouldn't do no matter how much money you gave them

Fully agree, but there are also something people would definitely do for money right?

, thus the assumption you make in this thread, "girls are money minded" which indirectly tell that girl will submit anything if the price is right ?

When you've a wife you'll understand how important money is, everything is about money money money, she is money minded but doesnt mean she is an animal. We buy groceries, we know exactly how much is fish per kg and which stall gives better price, everyday we think of money.

please remember that we are not debating about the choice that you made to choose rich husband, but the perception itself of your views in money and relationship, then bringing the same level that you perceive in yourself to all girls which is what were are trying to prove it wrong

Maybe you're not accepting this, lemme ask you a normal OL works in a nice big corporation, then a really really charming boy wants to date her, he works in a renovating company, he do partition, earns 1.5k a month, this is a true story, very very honest boy. You think she will go dating with him?

10 out of 10 girls I introduce will tell me if so good why you didnt date him? They would expect to date a guy at par with their earning and society class at par with them. This is still shunning off a good boy. I dun blame the girls because they've set a standard for themselves and who am I to tell them to lower it?

But when I proceed to accuse them they;re money minded, they would say no I am not, I'm a good girl whos looking for a good capable husband because in future when expenses runs higher I would expect him to be able to meet up.

I'm expressing generally girls are money minded, of coz mother teresa is not money minded.

Lol.. seems like u still dun understd..
I didn't ask about marriage issue, or the girl is super gorgeous in eyes A, should have doubt on the girl or not etc... crap thingy...
read my questions..dun pusing-pusing n play inside bushes la.

1st questions.
Whether A should have dump B long time ago?

A - normal hardworking guy earning good average pay
B - Girl tat only accept guys tat can provide more security (XXXXXX), no money can only be friend with A to buy some time 1st... use A as spare tayar in case got emergency.

Since u said u not guy duno how to answer, ask guy whisper or tampon nice? now give another excuse go ask ur husband tat question lar...
like playin inside bushes.. den fine.  i reverse the questions with diff scenario earlier also....

if you insist an answer no matter how unrealistic it can be, then YES, Guy should keep girl. If I were a boy, I would pamper her, I would understand how she feel about security, I must first look at myself and see if I'm even qualify to marry her, do I have the capability to start a family.

If she accept me then I'm proud of myself and know I'm there, I'm successful.

Happy?

No matter how unrealistic it can be? This is real thing happen in BGR nowdays, you as a mother and when ur son grow up later, hope u will adv ur son like wat u wrote above ok? Don't say i dunno, not realistic, ask hubby adv ur son.  

Knowing the girl is money minded, and also have other guy friends, treat ur son as normal friend /special spare tayar for few years eventho ur son have confessed to her many times. Don't know whether she also like to play inside the bushes with other guys. Theres high possibility the girl will stray away n go fly kite with other richer man when she found 1. When that time happen, hope no1 end up haf 2 see doctor for counselling.

A spontaneous respond would be same like what you say it is, bcoz you want to protect the son, and being unreasonable and accuse the girl will run away when son is poor.

Notice unreasonable is being use? because you dun think properly.

But can we judge a person because we assume what a person will do in future? Is it even right to do that? unless the girl had a track record for being unfaithful then yes we can use that but that also we need to see if the person truly changed.

so I think you;re being unreasonable as mention maybe she set a standard?



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Same goes if i ask this question.

A girl who knows her bf alwys have affair outside but still stay with him for years because the BF rich have $$$$/ strong family financial backup. Hoping her bf will be touched and chg with her sincerity n loves. Later married ady still not chg .. divorce chances

Whether tat girl should have dump rich bf long time ago?
Yes- the girl should have dump B long time ago?
No- Tat girl should cont the relationship hoping rich bf will chg for good.

they're many more things involve, and things like this happen everyday,
you must make clear in the first place if the girl really love that guy.

Do u read the word i highlighted above in red ?

notice what I've answered you is same case as you gave?

You know I've this happening to my frens the husband is not even rich, earning about 5k, she caught him hvg a girl and when they quarrel he even beat her. I told her to dump him, but she just couldnt, infact she tried to revive the marriage by opening a biz for him loan from the parents I know the family very well, the parents are not rich either they refinance the house. I really wanted to tell her parents not to loan, but my other gf told me better dun get mixed up.

so i just stood aside and watch her destroy her life, at first she did bought sometime, he left the girl and my fren was so happy, later, again she caught him with another girl, after that he left her for that girl.

my fren cut her wrist, send to hospital, parents have to make false report caused by falling and smashing the sliding door.

so you see when you see such a case dun take life so simple...girl wants money, you think people no feeling one meh?

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So here, u will adv to dump tat guy (not even rich, 5K) , if that guy earn 10K how ?... maybe theres some chance tat guy will be touched by ur frens sincerity n loves and chg for good? Why don't u adv if ur fren really loves him, its okla give him chance and hope he will chg? Like ur adv earlier for the guy to continue chase the B girl by improving himself financially.   Kinda opposite view from ur 1st reply...irony.

Have u heard the saying "A Leopard Can't Change His Spots" ?


as mention again, a spontaneous respond is clouded with emotion, because we're angry, someone we care are the victim.

Here we;re debating if what I'm saying is true, what I'm doing will bring happiness, because you guys phailed to understand when I add rich to husband, I did not remove the usual husband quality, its just that he is rich.

Are you telling me rich guys are not honest? not loyal? no love? dead cell?


The main point for my 1st question is if u know the one u loves, don't loves u at the beginning but loves u later when u have more money, will u dump your loves one earlier or cont drag till get married lo knowing ur loves one loves ur money and den willing to loves u n marry u. 
Simple nia.. YES or NO.

again this happen everyday. want to hear stories?

No thxs.
I know you wont thats why I didnt write

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Added on October 7, 2009, 10:49 pmDuno la.. some ppl maybe. U din photo chop the baby pic still okla...

I feel both oso cute in their own ways. 
Actually i prefer cute baby, so i vote baby more cute.

No need lah. I like this thread. I want to know how the money minded girls thinking. 

Man and woman has their own responsibility both biologically and capacitatively.

Fast forward to the present.

Genetically we all still the same, and has been passed on for generations.Remember the word generation comes from the root word a noun "gene" means biological blueprint to the verb "generate" means create and "ratio" means numbers of proportion, and "rate" means scale, or measurements. So put it together "generation" simply means create more which ultimately means reproduce at a rate govern by natural rules. Scientifically proven, under the Selfish Gene Theory.

Man has the responsibility to work and earn money. Man is in fact the major provider and giver to his wife both terms of genetically and responsibly. Man can of course do more and help out the wife with the household chores in everyway way he can. Of course some men do it a little clumsy, like socks pairing go missing in the laundry, like standing away from the stove due to heat.

Woman's biological responsibility is still hasn't changed which is giving birth and nurturing future generations. But certainly most women knows that giving birth raising a child is a biological obligation, women can of course do more than that and even though the food shelter, transport and clothing is readily provided by the man in pursuing for self and family improvement and development.

agree with the rest, the bold part is the one I'm trying to stress, if I see the guy earning 2k and I dun wan him as my hubby because I dun feel secure to start a family with him, am I wrong to set a standard for myself?

Improvement in the sense that more children may requires a bigger house, a bigger car, and household appliances needs maintenance, replacement and upgrades. Your child needs to further studies to a well known university, probably needs a new car.

when I reject a candidate with an income of 2k because I know he cant provide coz I'm rushing to have a family, time is against me, I dun want to have a baby after I'm 35 while waiting for him, am I wrong?

A man can in fact provide a sustainable lifestyle for the entire family, if his earning a lot of money upholding all basic necessities. I believe providing the best for a child is not just limited to spending time, nurturing and raising the child to adulthood. It is a lot more than that. I also believe a woman/mother will also go to her limits in achieving the best possible for her child, so as the the man. Why I put the "man" at the last tagged because the man has already the major provider for both woman and child.

And because the population growth rate compare to the wealth distribution are exponentially unbalance, which creates a violent competition for money. Meaning to say everyone wants to have a biggest possible share on the same cake, since our population has increased in numbers each one of us gets a smaller share of the cake now, and it is getting smaller in years to come. More men and women entering to work-force to earn money for survival. Just look at what RM50 can buy now, compared to 20 years back.

Therefore we have men and women working in our society now. Men are now more open and willing to take up feminine rolls such as cooking or does the laundry, when conventionally  some men don't even enters the kitchen or lifted a finger to do the housework. Women on the other hand has also changed whereby male dominated industry slowly includes women and respected and welcomed woman to compete in the market. We have women playing football, women works as CEO, or even women doctors, lawyers now. You name it.

Whether women should work or are biologically fulltime mothers or do both, it is still debatable and questionable.

However, external forces such as economy and competition of better life actually slowly leads the modern women to do both. Evolution has allowed us human to learn and adapt for survival and obviously women has evolved in some way by entering the work force.

I agree with that, but I've never ever in my life tell people when you marry you dun have to work.

I'm saying I've given the example of woman choosing a husband that can protect her form animal, able to get a cave and feed the family, but in modern society a man able to do is equals a man with a house, can raise the children to todays standard equals 10,000BC, hence he needs to at least earn 10k above I duno just an example, hence 10K above is consider rich to me.

about the helping out or subsidizing, I believe ancient woman also gather fruits and chase out smaller animals, doesnt need flintstone to do that, she can handle it.

I'm saying the instinct of woman 10,000BC was security and the modern world security is money, so hence girls are money minded. (when choosing a husband, coz the topic was about starting a family not about splashing money or how to get rich over nite)

so the poor won't get a chance to score and have family?

dun worry, I'm saying if you've a chance you marry the rich.

and also if the guy is rich... chances are they got other girls glueing on them as well even if they are attached or even have wife at home... i seen cases like this ok.. my uncle is rich and he main kayu tiga wan... many perempuan simpanan outside and my aunty even committed suicide before.... so now u tell me izit having a rich guy as husband really all but good?

I've also seen marrying the poor, she has to use up all her salary to compensate the household, yet found hubby in prostitute centre.

Girls ~~ guys here observing us and our feminine virtues thr our posts here, so, beware ~ you gals have been retrieving our .. secrets.  They are always the tricky guys, they ask Qs spinning us around and watching us stepping into their traps...

I'd say we try other ways to express ourselves and try other ways to help reminding other ladies to stop being weak ... shall we?

A spontaneous respond would be same like what you say it is, bcoz you want to protect the son, and being unreasonable and accuse the girl will run away when son is poor.

Notice unreasonable is being use? because you dun think properly.

But can we judge a person because we assume what a person will do in future? Is it even right to do that? unless the girl had a track record for being unfaithful then yes we can use that but that also we need to see if the person truly changed.

so I think you;re being unreasonable as mention maybe she set a standard?

Unreasonable? Do u read properly wat i wrote?

B - Girl tat only accept guys tat can provide more security (XXXXXX), no money can only be friend with A to buy some time 1st... use A as spare tayar in case got emergency.

What does this mean? Accusing? Think properly la..

as mention again, a spontaneous respond is clouded with emotion, because we're angry, someone we care are the victim.

Here we;re debating if what I'm saying is true, what I'm doing will bring happiness, because you guys phailed to understand when I add rich to husband, I did not remove the usual husband quality, its just that he is rich.

Are you telling me rich guys are not honest? not loyal? no love? dead cell?

I did't say rich guy not honest/not loyal/no love.
I gave u a clear scenario and expect u can answer smartly but u get disillusioned with ur so called rich man with good quality..

A girl who knows her bf alwys have affairoutside but still stay with him for years because the BF rich have $$$$/ strong family financial backup. Hoping her bf will be touched and chg with her sincerity n loves. Later married ady still not chg ..

I wanted to know whether u will adv the girl leave the guy coz of his bad habits or stick with him coz of the $$$$$..
Same goes for the earlier, the guy should leave the girl coz she is money minded, can only be friend so she can have more other guy friends to get $$$ around and used him as spare tyre. Whether true loves really comes later , no 1 knows.

U know wat is "Prevention is better than cure".

As simple as that. Seems that u phailed to understand both situation..  good luck in educating ur children and other girls here.

Yup, there are cases of those so called "Rich man" wives used their hubby money for spree shopping, mahjong or go up Uncle Lim place for gambling.
When they cant get enuf money from the hubby to support their lust for more money... these ppl start to sell body or take loan from ah long..some might even
have affair with another richer man just to get extra money. If they cant get the more $$$$$$, they will become despo and start wreaking havoc with their hubby..

Once become crazy for money,,,,unsatisable hunger for moor...  kicks in...

So, girls pls dun be money minded and proud of it ok.

this is exactly why it is important to read b4 posting nonsense, we're way passed that part.

And where did you miss the part where love wasnt involve?

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Added on October 8, 2009, 1:27 pm

Oh you want to add "love"  into it.OK.
So girls, if you believe that it is ok for a girl to choose a guy based on money, security and LOVE so a guy CAN ALSO choose a girl based on her looks,LOVE and how tight her vagina is correct? If one day the girl is old. no longer pretty with all the wrinkles and the guy NO LONGER LOVES her, it's also ok to divorce or dump her correct? Fair right?

By the way, we're also way pass about rich will be unfaithful and poor man are saints.

Oh you want to add "love"  into it.OK.
So girls, if you believe that it is ok for a girl to choose a guy based on money, security and LOVE so a guy CAN ALSO choose a girl based on her looks,LOVE and how tight her vagina is correct? If one day the girl is old. no longer pretty with all the wrinkles and the guy NO LONGER LOVES her, it's also ok to divorce or dump her correct? Fair right?

I'm not saying you're wrong in having this criteria for your husband but I'm just reminding you that if you have this criteria, then Guys TOO have a right to have a criteria for the wife.

if you mean price = money, then you're so wrong, there are something that people wouldn't do no matter how much money you gave them, thus the assumption you make in this thread, "girls are money minded" which indirectly tell that girl will submit anything if the price is right ?

please remember that we are not debating about the choice that you made to choose rich husband, but the perception itself of your views in money and relationship, then bringing the same level that you perceive in yourself to all girls which is what were are trying to prove it wrong

From the topic http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/967243 it made me think deep why are girl money minded.

Thousands of years ago, money do not exist, girl will choose their partner base on security, they look for well built male who can protect them from wild animals and wild man or whatever wild things,they're vulnerable when they;re pregnant, and the years when they need to raise children. This has been genetic in female.

Fast forward to today, we no longer require mr. muscle to protect us, security took a new meaning, security = money. So girl will marry a guy when he is rich and this is why the quote ada wang ada amoi.

So girls, be proud when you choose a rich husband, and to those girl who insist love is more important, they're just immature and the mother instinct not kick in yet, after few years of marriage they'll regret of their choice.

to avoid repeating myself 1000X

I'm not saying choose money but no love, no romance, your husband only love you for sex, and so on, I'm saying you hv a normal couple life just that your husband is rich.

I'm not saying when he is rich you flaunt his wealth and spend lavishly, as pointed up there, the intention is SECURITY.

I'm not saying aim for DATUK!

The purpose of the wealth is SECURITY, so you can have children with him and knowing he is capable.

you're assuming the girl will leave the husband when he is poor is it? thats why you;re so worked up?
we're way way pass that also....pls read back or its a repeating debate.

You don't get it do you.

You girls are saying that it's OK for girls to be money minded. I'm fine by that, it's YOUR RIGHT to choose whatever husband you want.

However you girls are saying , hey it's not wrong for girls to have a wealth standard for guys but it's wrong for guys to have a beauty standard for girls.\

Remember guys are usuallys still rich until they're old while girls loses their beauty and youth as they grow older. Technically guys are still meeting girls criteria when they're older while girls is NO LONGER meeting the guy's criteria when they're older.

That's why I asked the girls, is it ok for guys to divorce/dump the girl when they're no longer youthful?

I just realize you just edited your first post.
Girls are money minded, And Be proud of it.

Have you heard about Seven Deadly Sins?

Greed (covetousness, avarice) — Greed is when somebody wants more things than the person needs or can use. Dante wrote that greed is too much "love of money and power".

Envy (invidia) —  Like greed, Envy (Latin, invidia) may be characterized by an insatiable desire; they differ, however, for two main reasons. First, greed is largely associated with material goods, where as envy may apply more generally. Second, those who commit the sin of envy resent that another person has something they perceive themselves as lacking, and wish the other person to be deprived of it. Dante defined this as "love of one's own good perverted to a desire to deprive other men of theirs." In Dante's Purgatory, the punishment for the envious is to have their eyes sewn shut with wire because they have gained sinful pleasure from seeing others brought low. Aquinas described envy as "sorrow for another's good".

Pride (vanity) —  In almost every list Pride (Latin, superbia), or hubris, is considered the original and most serious of the seven deadly sins, and indeed the ultimate source from which the others arise. It is identified as a desire to be more important or attractive than others, failing to acknowledge the good work of others, and excessive love of self (especially holding self out of proper position toward God). Dante's definition was "love of self perverted to hatred and contempt for one's neighbor." In Jacob Bidermann's medieval miracle play, Cenodoxus, pride is the deadliest of all the sins and leads directly to the damnation of the titulary famed Parisian doctor. In perhaps the best-known example, the story of Lucifer, pride (his desire to compete with God) was what caused his fall from Heaven, and his resultant transformation into Satan. In Dante's Divine Comedy, the penitents were forced to walk with stone slabs bearing down on their backs in order to induce feelings of humility.

source:
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Deadly_Sins
2. http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins