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post Oct 6 2009, 10:53 AM

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I work in a bank. I have seen many stuffs like this.

Example :
Before married both share ideas and discuss on spending responsibly and for setting up a family. After married the wife controls all the money ! doh.gif
Account must be joint name...lar.... account must be both to sign lar.....watever... shocking.gif
wife acting on behalf of the husband (who is the legal and rightful a/c holder) asking this and that lar... shakehead.gif
she has showed her true colors.

girls in a way wanted security... and in the fast paced modern life today security = money , then money converts to home, car + 1 car for her, raising a child to tertiary education, vacation.....bla bla bla....



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ada wang = ada amoi + banyak pilihan yang menarik..... LOL corrected to reveal the truth.....

I have read and article which says a highly educated, very attractive woman,25, in her attempts searching for husband who earn USD500K annually.
That's a heck lot of money. She posted the adverts in a matchmaking forum, and even provide some evidence that she gets many offers and choices because of her beauty.

The reply from a broker from JP Morgan who is qualified and earns above USD500K annually.

Here is a deal. Person A trades beauty for money. Person B pays money to get beauty. The deal seems fair enough.

In the investment point of view, beauty obviously don't last forever thus makes it a liability in maintaining it, and a depreciating asset. The depreciation is not gradually but exponentially, if not properly handled or maintained. Since beauty is your only asset in landing yourself to marry a rich husband, I wonder what would you have left to show 10 to 15 years later.

Depreciating assets are best to be use, then disposed off or sold off, or leased. Not suitable to be held for long term. Such as a car for example, we initially by a car for means of transport from point A to point B, but when we earn more money we sold the old one at a fraction lower than the original price because of depreciation and buy a new bigger better car. As for the Ms. Highly Educated Beautiful, men will only date you, and will never marry you, even if you lowered your expectations, still you are depreciating. Men will only see you as a beautiful but lazy woman looking for a shortcut to unlimited wealth. Money won't come to you without hard work. No pain, no gain. This is reality.

Whereas for men as long as we are physically strong, motivated, eager to learn, work hard, and work smart + intelligently our income will grow higher and higher, plus with regular exercise to keep ourselves fit and healthy, this makes us men an appreciating asset. Under proper financial management earning more money will get us men, bigger house, bigger car and a whole lot of fun awaits us.

Sorry to be so direct, girls. Therefore investing in beauty, is definitely a lost and long term liability. Perhaps instead of day dreaming of marrying a rich husband earning USD500K annually, maybe you can make yourself earn that much annually, and promote gender equality. Anyone girls interested in leasing?


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post Oct 6 2009, 11:33 PM

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Hi guys,

Message for guys only. Girls can read also. Guys we are generally physically stronger and mentally more stable than women. We make calculated decisions based on mathermatics, rationale and logic most of the time.
Of course women can do an equal job and makes decision, but women has her ups and downs and sometimes emotionally influenced in making decision. Which means men must sometime read between the lines.

"Whereas for men as long as we are physically strong, motivated, eager to learn, work hard, and work smart + intelligently our income will grow higher and higher, plus with regular exercise to keep ourselves fit and healthy, this makes us men an appreciating asset. Under proper financial management earning more money will get us men, bigger house, bigger car and a whole lot of fun awaits us."

I like the statement above. We have to be proud of being a man. That's why most industry are initially male dominated.

Up to this point here is a message for girls here.

Females are catching up in terms of gender equality.

Working in a bank allow me to see people in a financial way through out years of working experience. Year in year out, customers come and go, some really start with nothing, building it and become something successful in career and financially. Mostly men and some women.

I am not saying that men are better than women, becoz we(men) have mothers too. But women can also play a part in the industry, make money, earn money and be successful, instead of thinking of marrying a rich husband.

The first programmer in the world is a woman, Ada Lovelace.

Marie Curie, the woman who won a Noble Prize.

Let's look at local talents of woman.

Datuk Nicol David... no need to explain.

Leona Chin, who can drive her car sideways !!! Drift...!!!

Bridget Lai, CEO of Alliance Bank.




Moorish, I have read lot's of the contents of this thread, maybe you should think and look with your heart seriously in terms of developing a career and make yourself financially independent, at the same time still you may dream on marrying a rich husband plus also you must have feeling for him as well lar.

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post Oct 7 2009, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 7 2009, 09:12 AM)
Btw since you emphasize on career so much, may I ask you
is there a problem SAHM has for you?
Do you look down on them?
What is SAHM? Mind to elaborate what SAHM stands for?

I agree with you that girls are money minded. Men are money minded to.
So both men and women are money minded.

Men work for it. What about women? Statistic shows more women are entering the working society.


Here are some facts.

No pain. No gain.
You want money. You have to work for it. Then you will have the money you deserve.
Life is never easy. This is reality. Face it with courage.
Nothing is free in this world. Another reality.
Money only favours those who works hard and work smart for it regardless of gender.
There is no shortcut to wealth it continuous effort and planning is required. That's why we have banks to help people plan.
School never teach us about money, we learn it through exposure in the working society.
The work you do to earn money will contribute to the society as a whole.
If you don't work, you don't contribute to the society. What do we call someone who exist but no contribution? You name it.

OK facts aside. Back to your topic.

You mentioned that you put money in the criteria of choosing a husband. Sounds fair enough. You never want a jobless man to be your husband. Jobless = no money. Also fair enough. Now let's look at the mirror. You have expectations, and so do us men have our expectations.

Moorish by the way may I ask are you working or running a business?
What do you do for a living?

No offence here. Those are just facts.





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post Oct 7 2009, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Oct 6 2009 @ 12:14 PM)

I tell you what: man always stands the privilidge to take care and bare the living expenses of a family, ALL on his own. Be it in olden days or modern days, this is the natural, originial and initial living culture.

However, due to the current economics status, a man who has average pay can no longer be the only person to support the whole family, in order to give their family a moderate educations, medicals, daily, monthly or annual bills or installments. And that's why women nowadays coming out and start working for another pack of monthly income. Sad to say, this issue has been manipulated by many men out there (mainly those who are not self-motiaveted and incapable men who likes to stay in comfort zone), that women working in corporate world is a common issue and who do not, are plain lazy or selfish women, that sucks their husbands' money and properties.

If you have time, read some economics reference books, I believe this would help you understand more about the economics status that the whole world is facing.

Last but not least, it's not for a man to ask his wife or gf to build up her own financial ability; It's for a gal that willing to share the burden with her man and therefore do not mind to leave her comfort zone and start going back to her working life.

p.s: above highlighted portions are the edited done for your kind perusal. You may need to brush up your English, too.
Totally agreed. nod.gif rclxm9.gif

Both men and women work nowadays. Even after married both parents are working in order to build a family.

Let me share my case here. Me and my fiancee both working and we love each other, and always be there to support morally for each other should something fails. We mutually agrees that we work to create our own wealth to build a family instead of relying on our parents. I am a banker and she works as an accountant. She partially controls my money. cry.gif and sometimes I advised her to spend responsibly.
But sometimes she respect my needs of spending because I already contribute my share($$$) to the pool.
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post Oct 7 2009, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Oct 7 2009, 11:15 AM)
I get your point miss. I've got it from the start.
doh.gif I didn't say you deleted it, I just said you placed money ABOVE it. Money is more important to you than the person's character.
That's good, though I wonder why you said "I believe I will" rather than "I will". Why is there that glimmer of doubt?
That is YOUR perception of the argument, its not what WE are saying. At least not n00bi3, duke red and I. What we're saying its doomed when you place MONEY before CHARACTER. You're advocating looking for someone rich with a good character, rather than someone with a good character that happens to be rich. There is a difference between the two.

When you put money as the initial criteria, you don't bother to know the person first and what he is capable of. You just look at what he has, if he doesn't "have it" yet, you just ignore him. If you put character as the initial criteria, you'll actually get to KNOW the person FIRST, whether he has enough money to support you or not, or whether he is capable, you will then know and decide.

Debbie holds the latter view, she looks at character first. You don't see me slamming her views, only yours. Did you ever stop to think WHY?
I've seen many girls marry "poor" people and also be happy! Likewise I've seen people marry rich people and be sad.
Once again, you JUMP to the extreme. Between ok-ok and perfect there's a huge gamut of choices. I'm saying we should stick with someone we can accept, some who's character we like. Not someone's who's character we simply tolerate because they can give us something in return.
As I mentioned again and again, you're not looking at the points we're trying to tell you. You have an assumption of what we mean, and that skews your perception of our argument. Then you go around and try to refute us based on your version of our argument. However that is NOT what we're saying. Try to discuss this properly yes?
You know, if I didn't know better... I'd think you were male. Your ego is at least as big as one laugh.gif
Did it ever occur to you that I have a JOB and I need to WORK? laugh.gif Your arrogance astounds me. Proving you wrong is easy, and I've consistently been doing it, of course your ego will not allow yourself to admit that wink.gif
There's nothing wrong with that. However, in life things do not always go the way we want them to. In that event, would you be willing to work to help support your family? or would you rather let your hubby carry all the burden? In any scenario, its always a good idea to be prepared for the worst, even though there is no sign of it coming in the future.
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I TOTALLY AGREE to Hawk.

In short, moorish is taking a shortcut to access for unlimited wealth. Marrying someone rich can help you skip working life? NO WAY. You think it is that easy?

She refuse to work. Let me guess why?
Working is tough and hard.
I hate facing people or being instructed by superior or boss.
All I want is money but don't want to work.
Working is stressful, tiring and restless.

Let's look at reality again.

Both man and woman work. Man loves woman, woman loves man because both has the initial criteria both can agreed.
Man spend money to have time with a woman. Woman spent time with man. Fair enough. Still both are working.
Man works hard save money, and woman works hard and save money too.
Along the way they endure ups and downs but still they face it. Some losses job and find a new job, or get promoted with salary increase.
When man saved enough money he proposed a marriage to the woman after several years of relationship. Husband took a mortgage to buy a house, and diversified investment to create wealth. After married both husband and wife work harder save money just in case of uncertainty and reduce risk. They buy insurance and planned ahead of time. Wife got pregnant and still she goes to work even harder this time with a belly bulging. (Woman deserve respect this time.) A responsible husband works harder to prepare reserve funds for the incoming baby. (Man deserve respect too). The baby is born, both wife and husband took maternity leave to take of the child wife gets 3 months, Husband gets 1 or 2 months maternity leave.
Husband and wife resumes their daily work and together take turns to bring up child until tertiary education. At this point, both are financially stable should the need arises wife can quit the job and take care of the child. Husband advised the wife to quit and spend more time with the child. In some cases wife refused to quit fearing financial uncertainty and risk. Husband diversified investment in real estate and property to create passive income.

At this point, having money=security? Not exactly.
Let me tell you banking terms money is always a depreciating asset, bombarded by market forces. Prices go up during economy crisis and affects both man and woman. So is it good to be SAHM ?? SAHM with no prior working experience.

Anyone dares to challenge reality?

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QUOTE(dancingwind @ Oct 7 2009, 11:56 AM)
Debbie ~ why would you commented our men on Bolehland in such a critic way?! Do you not understand this is our culture for men here who dont general aim high as compare to other countries?  We see Malays riding motorcycles in a family of 3 and being contented, or they simple not try hard to climb higher... they Do Not! Chinese men are slightly better as compare however given circumstances of our country economy and political cultures... there isnt much our men can really do, u see?

No offence but I suggest you expose your sight more to worldwide issues and lower guard a bit as if you are still looking for a great man to spend your life with... in msia.
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I TOTALLY AGREE !! nod.gif
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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 7 2009, 12:27 PM)
Yes, my hubby is very traditional too, he believes a man should be the provider, he infact insist I quit my job aftre we're married. He says he feels more respectable bringing food back home.

Added on October 7, 2009, 12:35 pm

precisely
I didnt exactly read all your posting, but just wanna say this

I put a certain standard to my life, a man comes along with the same thinking, anything wrong with me and my husband? He likes a wife being a housewife, I want to be a housewife, I only see a perfect match to money not the man.  corrected to reveal the truth
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I have baby-sitting experience with my younger brothers, and cousins, that include cooking, feeding, washing dishes and changing diapers.
Don't talk baby-sitting with me and I am ready to do that anytime my auntie wanted me to baby-sit their children because they are all my relatives.
My family has all boys, I am the eldest my parent make me a good example, and put me through the worst experience. I have to take up some female rolls as well, except for breast feeding and giving birth which I biologically don't have.


Moorish did not read my post entirely especially the bottom part, because she is rejecting and running away from reality.

What I have pointed out, and what dancingwind has highlighted is in fact part of reality. There are no shortcuts.
People regardless rich or poor can get married, and yet lead happy and satisfied life.

Moorish may of course find a rich husband that met her "standards" at some point of her life.
Who knows the future people might lose jobs, business went bankrupt, and suddenly SAHM without prior working experience have to work?
Moorish will never learn unless she goes through some working life and experience bitter and sweetness of life.
What makes life sweet? Because we know and have tasted what it is when life bitter.

The chinese has a saying "Taste bitter first before we taste sweet." It is so obvious moorish is jumping the queue, and wanted life to be sweet all the way. By the time she gets it, she is completely corrupt and paralysed and never learn to appreciate and treasure the hardships of life.

You can read it again here. Anyone disagree or want to challenge my statement are welcome to add. It is freedom of speech and expression here.

REALITY Scenario

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QUOTE(dancingwind @ Oct 7 2009, 01:32 PM)
now i know why buayaS are needed here sad.gif

blitzboyz - cant u just ignore it and spend time somewhere else? i thou u said u agree to what i said earlier sad.gif
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ignore what?
I agree with you because you see things happening in reality. Economy, people lossing jobs, inflation and prices increase and the uncertainties in life.

I don't agree with moorish statements, which in short means marrying the rich, and hoping to bypass working life.
Obviously she has a mind for that. Everyone regardless of gender have to work in someway be it a job or runs a business.

God gives us brains plus hands and legs to ensure we utilized them for our survival.
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QUOTE(dancingwind @ Oct 7 2009, 01:42 PM)
Debbie - the only thing i want to response to your post is same as mine to TS, post#1614 - the 10yr date with both you.

Same to the guy u said he started to work since form4.  Let's all see how everyone turns out after time washed away our current anger, silliness, imaginations, hopes....

btw, have u guys read posts of Dreamer101? He is one of the coolest guy i have ever known on LYN - i mean i only read his posts, not knowing him personally.  He is a very practical Malaysian guy!  Check him out at Finance section if u may.
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Post the link here so we (me as a guy) can learn from him as well. That link to Dreamer101



And dancingwind by the way, I work very hard for now and for future which is marry my gf and have a family. Today I am off-duty, so I want to share what is reality to all of you here LYN. I worked many years in several international banks and when there is economy crisis, banks are the first to get hit badly. I have seen people in a financial way both good and bad, and that is just a tip of the iceberg. I am glad I still have my job and my gf also still have a job, whereas some colleagues resigned or got laid off. Everyday I wake up I go to work, I am happy because I am still alive, breathing, healthy and capable because I am the man of responsibility. I count my blessings because I know and tasted bitter. I find it not bitter enough because I am pursuing for promotion and higher income.

Do you know how hard it is find a job out there?

The Chinese also have another saying :
When we are poor we work, hard to be rich. When we are rich, we work harder to remain rich and stay at the top because there are competitors.

The Malay people also have a saying :

Berakit rakit ke hulu, berenang-renang ke tepian,
Bersusah-susah dahulu, bersenang-senang kemudian.

I read lot's of financial books including Robert Kiyosaki's book.

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Bottomline being rich is one thing.

1. But men who are poor, but motivated, energetic, career minded and fuel the the greed of earning more money, change for better, will also stand a chance.

2. Some men resist change and live in comfort zone.


I am the one in category 1. That's why I choose to work in bank and see money everyday.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Oct 7 2009, 02:00 PM)
I bet you understand what does depreciation of currency note and inflation, dancingwind.

He is practical enough, but he has certain irrelevant value in career hunting. Have you ever read all his posts, then?
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Where is the link??? PLease post it here.


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QUOTE(Looi @ Oct 7 2009, 02:08 PM)
I have to really rclxms.gif to silver, dickson and noob13 for their patience to quote/debate on every single sentence. I already beh tahan and straight off attacking them. You have my respect guys.
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me leh??? I am guy also...wor... cry.gif

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QUOTE(dancingwind @ Oct 7 2009, 02:15 PM)
boy, thanks for sharing. so u work in international banks for yrs. and u r into finance, i suppose. and u r not reading anything from finance section at all? how can u not knowing Dreamer? he is active in RWI - anyone dont know him - u dont know about the world current issues on LYN
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That's why I said, what I know or what I have seen is just a tip of the iceberg, or some say just a drop from the entire bucket.

I found him already, and reading now. Thank's wind.
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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 7 2009, 02:24 PM)
oh you again english police rclxms.gif

you havnt answered me how much only can call rich?

since now you brought up about sufficient/decent, may I ask you how much qualify for that?

What is decent? 2k a month? 5k a month? 10k a month? for a family of 3, parents and baby.
First of all you keep asking me, and I'm answering you, infact you complaint I havnt answer you enough, then you turn around and say I should stop this thread? you're very confusing.

2nd you know malaysia style, you tak suka you keluar? you dun like this thread yet you come in here and participate doh.gif

you want this thread to die off, yet you keep posting to bum this up doh.gif  doh.gif
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moorish please open your eyes and expose to what is reality and worldwide issue, or maybe our country is enough.
if you marry someone rich, pls bear in mind that he works very hard for it, and learn appreciate it. Then I bid you happiness for the rest of your marriage and congratulate you.

Human has a survival instinct, and contantly learning new things to survive, you are human also. Take a look outside, I have seen many working mothers regardless of race, and I highly respected them. Because they can multi-task both at home mother and at work. Biologically they are same as you, a woman. If she can, why can't you? Of course in a corporate life priority is given to ladies, my superior is a lady I have no problem working with her.
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QUOTE(caesar18 @ Oct 7 2009, 02:37 PM)
this thread can continue for millions years until  Girls are money minded NO MORE.....smile.gif
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both men and women are money minded.

Men have no choice but have to work for money.

Women have 2 choices either work for money or marry a rich man

The is a myth that being rich are normally sad and lonely. Since when having too much money makes one feel sad or lonely.

Chinese proverb :

If you have no money even if you live in a busy city, no one will visit you.
If you have money, be it you live way out of town people will still visit you.




Added on October 7, 2009, 2:46 pm
QUOTE(7chai @ Oct 7 2009, 02:44 PM)
i tell u this, not all gals are money minded. Those gal who money minded i've meet in real life, never rely on their boyfren and husband, they made their own single cent, this is what i looked up. Some even support their boyfren, of course their boyfren own some decent quality as well. And because of that, i look at this thread title, and see what other replying. It gives me a feeling that "Guy who not rich = not self motivated, and is a huge sin for not getting rich." Do u get what i mean. these people live in their own world.
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200% AGREE

YES, it is a SIN for men to be lazy, and not earning money.

If girl want money, girl go work for money.

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Lines from Robert Kiyosaki :

A highly paid slave is still a slave. (slave=employee)

There no job security as long as you are still employed.

Therefore being an employee, must have savings and mind his own business by diversifying his investment portfolio. Until a point his investment generates passive income he/she can retire early.
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QUOTE(caesar18 @ Oct 7 2009, 03:04 PM)
Now a days Men have choices like woman as well beside work for money, they can marry a rich GAL..
"Little White Face" brows.gif
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hahhaha

"Slipper rice eater ". That man like that must hide his face somewhere else away from public. shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

vmad.gif I can't tolerate men like this. If my wannabe-wife earns more than me, I will threat it as a bonus, not an entitlement. I will work harder to prove I can do it also.


Added on October 7, 2009, 3:11 pm
QUOTE(viper88 @ Oct 7 2009, 03:10 PM)
Lol.. ya.. last time she call me 21 yrs old guy not yet self dependant/cant support family n d cant provide my view..
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Now u call her kidi.. rclxms.gif

Yeah, moorish.. why so quiet?. No reply for my early post?
Tat means my assumption on ur answer is correct.  rclxms.gif
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I think she is looking and seeing reality now.


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QUOTE(nickisthemost @ Oct 7 2009, 03:14 PM)
interesting, if women can rely money from their husband and not the other way around, aren't we all practising double standard ? which mean that man will or never can't be a full time dad ?
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Aren't working hard outside and bring home food on the dining table good enough of being a daddy and a good husband?


Added on October 7, 2009, 3:37 pmIf I am rich enough and have investments with passive income, I don't mind retiring and being a fulltime husband and father.

Not up to the extent of zero effort, and just rely and spend $$$ woman earn.

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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Oct 7 2009, 02:47 PM)
kawan, i dun think they will understand even after they watched that movie. sweat.gif
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hi dom-dom seller,

No money = No honey. rclxm9.gif

If no money, then how to buy dom-dom from you leh???
Unless you give away free domdom and promote safe-sex and HIV and STD awareness.

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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 7 2009, 03:57 PM)
you cant because you dun have the quality.
so you look down on full time mothers? and respect them less?
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You said it. I did not say it. I respect everyone as much as I want everyone to respect me as an individual.

My point is fulltime mothers with no prior working experience at least must take a look at self-development and improvement, and be ready for the worst case scenario.

In banking terms, should there be an emergency be it natural disaster or man-made disaster, do we have back up plan to keep systems up and running, and the bank can continue to run its business and serve the customers.

Let's see if you understand this.

Both men and women can work and earn money.
Biologically every woman can give birth to a child, and be a caring mother.

Generally men and women has a brain, two hands and two legs with 5 fingers and 5 toes on each limb.

Therefore everyone can at least do or create or learn something to ensure survival.
The only difference is earning more or less, fast or slow and some required specialized skills.

If you tell me you cannot do or refuse to do what generally everyone else can do for survival, apart from being a fulltime biological mother.

Then you have a serious problem.

Those LYN members who know about the book "Who Moved My Cheese?" Will know what I am saying.

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