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post Oct 8 2009, 11:58 AM

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Guys guys, you are debating with women the wrong way.
You have to use THEIR OWN concept and idea against them to debate with them.


So girls, if you believe that it is ok for a girl to choose a guy based on money and security so a guy CAN ALSO choose a girl based on her looks and how tight her vagina is correct? If one day the girl is old , no longer pretty with all the wrinkles, it's also ok to divorce or dump her correct?



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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 8 2009, 01:07 PM)
this is exactly why it is important to read b4 posting nonsense, we're way passed that part.

And where did you miss the part where love wasnt involve?


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Oh you want to add "love" into it.OK.


So girls, if you believe that it is ok for a girl to choose a guy based on money, security and LOVE so a guy CAN ALSO choose a girl based on her looks,LOVE and how tight her vagina is correct? If one day the girl is old. no longer pretty with all the wrinkles and the guy NO LONGER LOVES her, it's also ok to divorce or dump her correct? Fair right?

I'm not saying you're wrong in having this criteria for your husband but I'm just reminding you that if you have this criteria, then Guys TOO have a right to have a criteria for the wife. It's just not what you want but it's also what you can give.


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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 8 2009, 02:06 PM)
you're assuming the girl will leave the husband when he is poor is it? thats why you;re so worked up?
we're way way pass that also....pls read back or its a repeating debate.
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You don't get it do you.

You girls are saying that it's OK for girls to be money minded. I'm fine by that, it's YOUR RIGHT to choose whatever husband you want.

However you girls are saying , hey it's not wrong for girls to have a wealth standard for guys but it's wrong for guys to have a beauty standard for girls.\

Remember guys are usuallys still rich until they're old while girls loses their beauty and youth as they grow older. Technically guys are still meeting girls criteria when they're older while girls are NO LONGER meeting the guy's criteria when they're older.

That's why I asked the girls, is it ok for guys to divorce/dump the girl when they're no longer youthful?

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Oct 8 2009, 02:09 PM)
We are also always "used to" assume that gals going after financial stable guys are lazy/gold digger who cling on guys for financial resources/materialistic; and gals after "average salary man" are good gals.
If you think you are able to be financial capable, you won't be saying things like this at here.
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I am financially capable thank you but you're not answering the question. Is it ok for guys to dump/divorce the girl if they're no longer youthful and young?


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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 8 2009, 02:37 PM)
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You're still not answering the question. What does "rich will be unfaithful and poor man are saints" have to do with the question. It's not relevant at all.

It's a general question regardless whether the guy is poor or rich. If you say it's ok for girl to have a wealth standard criteria for guys then it's ALSO OK for guys to have a beauty standard for girls right? It's just a simple question.


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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Oct 8 2009, 02:46 PM)
What kinda question is that? Is being youthful and young a life or death question? How does having a prettier wife effect you in anyway that having more money can effect your life?

Sorry dude. Your retort is moot.
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Please read my previous post. It's all about expectations and standards. I'm saying if a girl can have that kind of expectations and standards so a guy can also have expectations and standards on the girl right?







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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 8 2009, 02:53 PM)
your question is the same as I can answer with another question

are you saying marrying the poor man he wont dump me for a younger girl when I'm 40?

You're arguing about a persons bad character

its like saying the rich will have an affair
but the poor also will have equal chances to have an affair.

This is bad man.
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Geez i really need to rephrase my question to prevent you from coming out questions that irrelevant of a guys wealth.


If you say it's ok for girl to have a wealth standard criteria for guys then it's ALSO OK for guys regardless or EITHER whether they are POOR OR RICH to have a beauty standards for girls right?

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Oct 8 2009, 02:55 PM)
Yes. And girls acknowledge this fact. Why cant guys?

Girl know we want them to look pretty hence all the trouble they take to look pretty. Do they complain?
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No they don't. I can't get a yes answer from any of the girls here so how can you say that they acknowledge this fact.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Oct 8 2009, 03:02 PM)
There are 2 categories we are talking about:
1. Pre-existing factors - Born body figure, face shape
2. Existing Factors - Attitudes, personality etc

If you have read my posts previously, my stance is guys who are self-motivated will have a fruitful yielding lifestyle.

But you are here mixed up pre-existing factors and existing factors. In that case, I can also ask you: is it ok if gals dump/divorce their men if they find their bf no longer young and energetic? Why are you taking up those human born natural biological issues which are not genuinely beyond human's control? Why don't you look at those men who are not self-motivated, which is an attitude that you should cultivate since you're conscious and aware about?
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Well the TS started it with WEALTH standard and NOT attitude,personality. That's why I came up with this question.


is it ok if gals dump/divorce their men if they find their bf no longer young and energetic?

YES if the guy feel the same way about girls too. See, no twisting your questions around smile.gif.




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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Oct 8 2009, 03:12 PM)
Yes, you didn't twist my question around.

So you are a man with shallow thought.
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Shallow ...haha, the pot calling the kettle black.

Yes yes I'm very shallow, I go only for rich wives and guys who go for poor wives are stupid and immature. And to those guys who insist love is more important, they're just immature and the father instinct not kick in yet, after few years of marriage they'll regret of their choice.

Yes I'm so shallow. God help me. LOL.







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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Oct 8 2009, 03:29 PM)
Does the link suppose to change the fact that I still think that TS is a very money-minded person?

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Oct 8 2009, 03:51 PM)
How do you define "money-minded"?

There are mainly 2:
Those who go for materialistic enjoyment
Those who aim financial security for uncertainties in the future
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Those who go for materialistic enjoyment - those that can't lower the living standard according to what they can afford.
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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 8 2009, 05:12 PM)
If my husband bought me a diamond rolex, I'm so trilled and exhilarated, so what should I do? quickly give back coz if I accept it, knowing I'm very please with the gift I would be classified as materialistic and a gold digger in CC?

And you're suggesting I should lower my standard and make way so my bum ex bf can start a family with me so that guys in CC would say good job?


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Nobody say you should lower your standard. You see it's your right to be money minded, it's also your right to choose whatever husband you want.

HOWEVER, it's also the guy's right to choose whatever girl they want and ALSO the guy's right to impose the same standards for girls. So based on what girls want, girls must also be pretty, have nice body with nice boobs, smart, humble and rich enough to support themselves. If they're not intelligent or rich enough, they must be pretty enough. If they're no longer pretty guys have the right to dump them or find another girl that can meet the standard.

That's my point actually. Whatever you want, you have to give. If you can't give then it's just too bad.


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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Oct 8 2009, 05:25 PM)
I'm just trying to say, by using monetary of a man has currently and 10 years later, you can tell if he is a potential person to spend the ups and downs in life.

I can't tell how educated he is cos to be success doesn't must have a certificate; I can't tell how convincing his speech is cos to success doesn't must good in sweet talk.

I just want to enphasize a guy who is self-motivated, never cease to give up kind of possitive attitude, will have a fruitful and yielding life (rich) sooner or later. Such a man when he is poor, he is a potential person to be with, and get married when he is capable to feed his wife; another 5 years, he is more capable to able to feed children.

Click to a poor man is ok, but try to stand on a gal's side: she won't want to see his bf always complain to her how bad the work is, lousy customers, bad working environment. Incapable men capable at nothing but bunch of lame execuses; Capable man good in nothing but not cease to aim high and hard-working.

In any event you guys out there are not convinced enough, do come and flame me. I'm right here be waiting for you.
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Well that's not what TS think, are you talking on her behalf?
Besides it's not just one way. I do think with the current education and equal oppurtunities in work place, girls should be as capable and rich as the guy as well.




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The question is why can't the girl earn the money themselves? Are they themselves not capable enough? Why do they have to depend on their husbands money to survive.

Oh yah I forgotten, their vagina is gold plated. It's all about what they want but not what they can give.

But it's their right to be like that, it's their right to choose a rich husband, it's their right to
place money above everything else. It's their right to choose an ATM husband . So just have to respect their choices.

However don't let me catch the same girls complaining and whining in girls club or cupid's corner or tell it to thelma about their husbands and start calling guys as jerks. Let's see how much sympathy they will get.

But usually from what I see, girls who are not capable enough in the corporate world are usually like that. Some of them come from poor family and do not have the capability to get what they want themselves so they have no choice but to find a guy that does.
My female colleagues which I can consider as more capable and more intelligent than average females don't think that way. In fact when I showed them what TS said , they just tell me to ignore these girls and tell me there will be this types of girls in this world.


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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 9 2009, 10:18 AM)

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yea expect the mother to feed her own, next what? expect the baby to earn his own milk? 


Why can't a mother feed her own kid? Wow, seriously which kampung did you come from to have that kind of mindset.

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tell me... 90 pages, did you read any of the girls says I want a rich husband because I like the new C-class? 

we want a capable guy...not a bum who insist the wife go out to work


I told you how many times. It's your right to choose whatever husband you want. You just can't whine about it later on.



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how many girls whine in CC that thier rich husband/bf dump them as compared to their average husband/bf has an extra girl out there?


The difference is one will be sympathised while I will laugh at the other one.

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You looking down on fulltime mothers?


Well if you brain can interpret the statement that way, then there's nothing I can do.
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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 9 2009, 01:52 PM)
I saw this post yesterday but didnt find time to reply. I find his angle very very interesting. Drug dealer.

During my time with my ex he is sort of gangster type, I've come to know a lot of others in gang and of coz the girls would be mixing and chatting.

I used to follow my ex to meet this leader in penang, he is filthy rich and his money of coz isnt clean. He has 4 wifes and all the wifes knows each other. They stay in big houses each of them, with so many big guard dogs, they drive nice cars, he has a guy who drives an Estima to all the wifes house to pick up and send all the children to school,  LV and diamond rolex of coz included in the package, I used to adore her watch we call them "moon thin sing", diamonds were set even on the casing and bracelet, it cost about 120K that time, I'm not sure how much it cost now.

During that time, we're living hands to mouth, no savings, sometimes ex will get big money duno from where and he will spend it all within 2 weeks, karaokes and gambling. I remember sometimes deep in my mind how I wish I was like those wifes enjoying life. All his 4 wifes are ex karaokes GROs

I sometimes try to put my shoes if I can be like them? I guess when you're very low in your life you dun seem to have much choice, so security has a new meaning, you actually dun care, but its only in my mind I didnt do it.

Then I look at those girls and wonder, do they love him? The answer is yes I believe. But if you ask what kinda love this is I dont know. I guess it depends where you come from.

I've mixed even with prostitutes, some of his frens gfs are prost and we do talk a lot, I've asked them why they do what they do and most times they come from poor broken families.

I guess moral and how many people ignored moral, or are force to put moral aside. I dun and never look down on them, I kept in touch with a few girls after married but I can see from hubbys face he dun really like me mixing around with those girls so I slowly stayed away.

Coming back to this topic, those girls comes from broken family with very little guidance, sometimes money is so tight and without much education and mother sick or bro and sis still young need to go to school they sell themselves for quick money. I respect this girls in the sense they willing to lower thier standard and make sure their younger bro and sis can have proper education. OLs I know or white collar girls, will never in thier life sacrifice so much for the family.

They never got out from the slum as its already become part of their lives now.

I dont come from broken family, but I do come from poor family, my parents never agreed with me going out with thugs, but that time young and I practically elope and stay with my ex, I was very in love with him, and broke my mums heart into 1000X pieces.

As I grow older, and time is catching up, I start to panic coz I see this is going nowhere, hence fast forward to today I got out of it.

So you see, if you come from a comfortable lifes, drug money is a big sin, but if you're way down there, its heaven sent.

I know its morally wrong, thats why I make sure I'm a fulltime mother and put as much reality and moral to Noreens life. I'll try to give my best.

ok guys, time for yuo to twist and attack me...I'm being truthful of my experience and what I felt that time, the temptations was strong.
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Well you see that's your problem of not knowing how to choose quality guys. The guy is a gangster and you chose to be with him so it's YOUR FAULT. You can easily say NO to him but you didn't so you have only yourselves to blame . You have to be accountable for your own choices.




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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 9 2009, 10:42 AM)
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most kampung I come from mothers do not work and are fulltime...wonder how they feed the children doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  triple for you

same dose for you...here you go"

So girls, be proud when you choose a rich husband, and to those girl who insist love is more important, they're just immature and the mother instinct not kick in yet, after few years of marriage they'll regret of their choice.

I've emphasize about mother...not BMW, diamonds, LVs and so on...its all about babies, family, home sweet home.

people associate mother with a woman near saint level, mothers love and so on, a woman care for the family and children, attentive and so on

people dont associate mothers with prostitute, leecher and so on.
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Sorry la I cannot relate with the experience with your kampung cause from the city I come from, it's very very normal for girls to work and have kids at the same time. Usually both parents will share the burden of raising the kids rather than just one from where I come from. In fact these girls themselves want to work as they know they are capable and from what they tell me not working will make them "aunty" and unexposed to the outside world.



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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 9 2009, 03:10 PM)
so you're saying all those GROs and prostitute are all losers with no moral and that is why they end up there? gosh a long essay and thats all you're able to picked up.

My hubby is exactly 10 years my senior, he always tells me I live a life full of experience, I dun read a lot but I experience a lot in life hence I look at life as real and not from books.
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No I didn't say that, I'm saying those GRO and Prostitute had a choice of NOT prostituting or being a GRO. But of course prostituting is easier money than working their way up through the corporate ladder. Of course prostituting is also much easier than studying hard and getting a decent job later in life.

I'm saying that they themselves MADE THAT CHOICE and therefore they are accountable for their own choices. They can't blame guys and they can't blame anyone for the situation that they are in.

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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 9 2009, 03:31 PM)
doh.gif  people like you....and people here calling me a arrogant.

You try turun padang and help the aids drug addict, and prostitute at chow kit, tell them you wouldnt end up here if your dad didnt take drugs and leave the whole family, if you've somehow manage to study hard, somehow duno where the money come from, take up doctor degree, then this world no more poor people, we would be like in duno which planet must be in heaven where everybody is high and mighty.

Dude, go out more, mix more with unfortunate people and understand the society, get more life experience instead of reading up on noreens story book.
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Well there's KFC, restaurant for you to work so why must one prostitute to earn money? If they are capable of prostituting I'm sure they pretty much capable of washing plates or become a promoter at some shopping complex.

Also most prostitutes become prostitutes, and this was in an article in the Star section2 a few years back, not because they were forced to, but because it's better money, and that comes from the horse's mouth.

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Oct 9 2009, 03:33 PM)
You guys who are trying to put moorish down is simply because you are afraid one day you will fall on a gal who aim to be a fulltime mother while your financial capable can't afford to meet her dream?

I'm really curious the reason why you guys can't accept a true mother who wants something better for her family.

At least she has made it comes true yet all you guys who putting her down aren't able to settle down yet.
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Can can, did I say cannot ? I thought I always emphasized that it's her right to do so.
But as always what I'm saying is you impose standards on guys, guys can also impose standards on you and girls cannot complain about it. That's all I'm saying.



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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Oct 9 2009, 03:42 PM)
Nooooo, don't you know? Prostitutes are the VICTIMS here. They suffer all sorts of abuse by evil men. We must save them!
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You're right, some evil man pointed a gun at them and ask them to be prostitutes. It's not their fault, it's those stupid evil men faults. Damn those evil jerks!!!



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