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post Mar 14 2009, 02:16 PM, updated 14y ago

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Welcome to LYN’s Pharmacy thread. This is the place for discussion, questions and recommendations. All are welcome regardless if you’re a pharmacy student, a pharmacist or neither.

Please do not expect us to know the answer to every of your question nor start a flamewar here. Comparisons between medicine, pharmacy and sciences are more than welcomed but please keep them under control.


What is Pharmacy?

Pharmacy is the health profession that links the health sciences with the chemical sciences , and it is charged with ensuring the safe and effective use of pharmaceutical drugs.

Source: Wikipedia


What does a Pharmacist do?

A pharmacist compounds and dispenses drugs to patients to ensure optimal health outcomes. A pharmacist is also responsible in counseling patients on the safe and effective use of drugs.


Frequently Asked Questions

What is the difference between a Pharmacist and a Doctor?

A doctor will diagnose(a disease) and prescribe medicine for patients. A pharmacist dispenses medicine to patients.


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What is the difference between MPharm and BPharm?

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What are the career options for a Pharmacist?
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What is the starting pay for a fresh graduate in Malaysia?

Approximately RM 3, 000 - RM 4, 000.


How do you register as a Pharmacist in Malaysia?

Link from the Malaysian Pharmaceutical Society – UK Student Chapter Blog


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List of Places of Training for Provisionally Registered Pharmacist

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How does an institution of education (university) gain recognition by the Pharmacy Board of Malaysia?
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How do you register as a Pharmacist in UK?
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Useful Links

1. List of Qualifications by Malaysian Ministry of Health
2. Accreditation in Australia
3. MPharm Accreditation in UK (RPSGB)



MALANSIAN PHARMACEUTICAL SOCIETY (MPS)

MPS is the national pharmacy & pharmaceutical society in Malaysia. Check out their website to know more about the latest news relating to the pharmacy profession in Malaysia.

[for those of you overseas, it is the equivalent of PSA (Australia) and RPSGB (UK)]




Previous Topics:

1. Studying Pharmacy - share your experience
2. Pharmacy course - private colleges in Malaysia
3. BPharm in Malaysia
4. Will Pharmacists Gain Dispensing Rights in Malaysia?


UNIVERSITY SECTION


Recommended subjects to take at pre-u level

1. Biology is not necessary at pre-u level as a criteria to enter universities in Malaysia, but it provides a solid foundation when you enter the course later. Chemistry, however, is a must.

Should you not choose to take Biology, you should have a combination of 2 science subjects (Chem & Physics) and 1 Maths subject.

However, some unis may have their own requirement and the above may not apply.


2. Tha mathematics involved in Pharmacy is very basic calculations. A little bit of statistics is involved and very minimal calculus.

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Courses offered by PUBLIC (IPTA) universities in Malaysia:

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Courses offered by PRIVATE (IPTS) universities in Malaysia

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Courses offered in UK and Europe
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Courses offered in Australia (Group of 8 unis)

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Nice dude. Someone really need this helpful link. Turnout that pharmacy really quite cheap compared to medicine.

But how about the carreer? Does someone with pharmacy degree could easily found job at government or private sector? And how about the starting salary?
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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Mar 14 2009, 03:25 PM)
Nice dude. Someone really need this helpful link. Turnout that pharmacy really quite cheap compared to medicine.

But how about the carreer? Does someone with pharmacy degree could easily found job at government or private sector? And how about the starting salary?
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there are only a few pharmacists in m'sia compare. it is a critical course..which means..they really hope number of pharmacists will increase.so u dont need to worry bout not having a job..coz there are a lot of sectors that are waiting for fresh grads student who hold a degree in pharmacy.
career as a pharmacist are very wide.
either u're working in
1. hospital - dispense and compound drugs , medicine, do some research, consult patients and doctor too..but doctor n pharmacist cant get well when they're doing things together,,ok that one put aside..income is ok..depends on ur experience..around 6-7k..govrment got elauns etc..if private is higher.
but working in hospital..u can gain a lot of knowledge..everyday with a new case..working hours are tight..plus OT.
2. retail - caring, guardian, watson, ..it is more to business..ppl go to pharmacy, buying the medicine directly from pharmacist. some drugs dont required u to get prescription from the doctor ( example: paracetamol)..but some u need a prescription ( list of medicine on a piece of paper which u got it from a dctor)..those who r working in retail , their income is much higher compares to working in hospital..and their working hours are like office hours..9am/ 10 am - 9pm..
3. Industrial - those who want to get fat income, do work in industrial sector..example : GSK company ( they made panadol) , pfitzer, unza..upha..or any pharmaceutical manufacturer company..they really need pharmacist.. pharmacist in msia insist to work in industrial..most pharmacist in msia prefer to work in hospital or retail.but the income can come up to 10k..depends on what department u go..u can go to R&D, QC ( quality control ) : u're responsible to supervise how they make the medicine/ supplement/ products from A - Z and must meet the standard..and u also can go to marketing department eventho u have no idea about marketing but some company like pfitzer , the requirement to work under marketing department is degree in pharmacy icon_rolleyes.gif ...and a lots more..
4. those who can do multi task, they can do part time lecturer and at the same time become a supervisor for pharma company, and at the same time, they do research, ...
pharmacy is a potential field..it would not stop coz it is relates with science, technology and from time to time..they aim to produce drugs which can give good therapeutic effect with minimal side effects..economical..
5. become a scientist..u create a new drug / modified a drug , increase its safety..if it was succeed. trust me whole wide world will need it.u can just sit and goyang kaki at home..coz u're already rich.
6. own a company, produce ur own medicine / health products which pattern under your company's brand name..

nowadays, ppl are going back to basic..most of us are starting to consume medicine / supplement for health which are originated from nature..so they need pharmacists to do that kind of works..

starting salary for a fresh grad is around 3- 4 k, if im not mistaken.


well...really hope , u guys ( especially ex spm / stpm candidated ) already get the big picture bout pharmacy..coz most of u always concentrate into medical course....everyone wanna be a doctor...it is a good thing ..but doing others things are also fun.. nod.gif

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You didn't put the Pharmacy Board Recognized Degree List.....

and

Also you didn't include this Institute that is offering Pharmacy Degree from USM....

http://www.kict.edu.my/index.php?option=co...id=14&Itemid=27
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Fyi, I just passed SPM with an 'OK' result. I've got 7A's and 3B's which include 2A for Biology and 4B for Chemistry. Well for some reasons, my interest often onto Medic. I am actually interested in pharmacy even though not as much as in Medic. However, I'm not confident enough that I am able to pursue into this field since my Chemistry is just average. What do u guys say?

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QUOTE(Elven @ Mar 14 2009, 06:39 PM)
Fyi, I just passed SPM with an 'OK' result. I've got 7A's and 3B's which include 2A for Biology and 4B for Chemistry. I am actually interested in pharmacy but I'm not confident enough that I am able to pursue into this field since my Chemistry is just average. What do u say?
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if u have a high determination + passion...just go for it.
a good pharmacy student doesn't means u must got all A's academically.
just go for it.
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what i suggest to you is to get a pre-U qualification first. go for A level or STPM.

average in form 5 chemistry shouldnt stop you from becoming a pharmacist or a doctor. (and pharmacy course is not 99% about chemistry. dont worry)

just do well in your pre- U
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QUOTE(hurm00 @ Mar 14 2009, 06:43 PM)
if u have a high determination + passion...just go for it.
a good pharmacy student doesn't means u must got all A's academically.
just go for it.
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After reading through this thread, I'm starting to like pharmacy. rclxms.gif

QUOTE(jerk @ Mar 14 2009, 06:48 PM)
what i suggest to you is to get a pre-U qualification first. go for A level or STPM.

average in form 5 chemistry shouldnt stop you from becoming a pharmacist or a doctor. (and pharmacy course is not 99% about chemistry. dont worry)

just do well in your pre- U
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If its 99% is not about chemistry, then what it is about? Well, my acquaintances always said that being a pharmacist requires a formidable knowledge in Chemistry and that u must do well both in ur SPM and Pre-U course as they will be taken into consideration for ur qualification into this field. Well what can I say, I always did bad in my Chemistry during my schooltime. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Elven @ Mar 14 2009, 06:53 PM)
After reading through this thread, I'm starting to like pharmacy.  rclxms.gif
If its 99% is not about chemistry, then what it is about? Well, my acquaintances always said that being a pharmacist requires a formidable knowledge in Chemistry and that u must do well both in ur SPM and Pre-U course as they will be taken into consideration for ur qualification into this field. Well what can I say, I always did bad in my Chemistry during my schooltime.  rclxub.gif
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a friend of mine, she got b3 in her chemistry . now she's already in 3rd year pharmacy course.
and guess what?
she got cgpa more than 3 for each sem.
n yes..before pursuing to degree in pharmacy, u must have pre - u qualification.
foundation, matriculation, a - level .
but if u're 100% sure to take pharmacy, just do the foundation in pharmacy..

so..dont worry..just do it..follow your heart.
pharmacy is about chemistry + math ( not that difficult ) + bio ( human anatomy )..actually it covers all the materials..n u need a good soft skills too.
like communicating with ppl..coz when u're working, u must consult ppl..n etc.
so, it is not 100% bout chemistry.
there are other things which take account too.
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for IPTA, obviously USM is missing from the list. and i think UiTM is for Bumis only.

for IPTS, masterskill, CUCMS, HELP(soon), the one mention by CyberSetan is missing(Island College of Technology, Balik Pulau, Penang) and INTI diploma level.

if you have time, do locate accredition link by the pharmaceutical society in UK.

for australia, the link is http://www.pharmacycouncil.org.au/NAPSAC_a...acyschools.html

some extra info:
The Pharmaceutical Society of Australia (PSA) is the national professional organisation for pharmacists in Australia.

differences between a bpharm and a mpharm (quote from youngkies) :

"though both MPharm in UK and BPharm in other countries are 4 years course degree, but MPharm has more intensive syllabuses, esp. for final year they are taught at master level skills and a research at master level.

in UK pharmacy degree used to be 4 years course BPharm. but they have scraped all 4 years Bachelor degree. then all bachelor degrees are done in 3 years. But because pharmacy syllabuses cant be cramped into 3 years, so they put in more syllabuses, key skills learning at master level for final year, a research project at master level, retain it as 4 years degree and accredited it as Master degree.

so if you have done MPharm in UK, when you go back to malaysia or aus, your degree is equivalent of a Master degree in Pharmacy."


Extra info for malaysia:

The Board approved the scheduled gradation of recognition of pharmacy courses to the following levels.
a.Approval by LAN to start course
b.First Monitoring [1st year]
c.Second Monitoring [2nd year]
d.Provisional Recognition after the first batch of students have completed or are in 3/4 of their course
e.Full Recognition after the passing out of the first batch of graduates

Thus for those institutions that have not obtained full recognition, the Board will make yearly evaluation visit to these institutions until they obtain full recognition.

source :
http://www.pharmacy.gov.my/html/annual_report2004_main.htm

lastly, Provisional Recognition and Full Recognition is DIFFERENT and should be emphasized.

Added on March 14, 2009, 6:35 pmeven a degree in chemistry would not study 99% about chemistry.

it includes learning about healthcare system,physiology and anatomy, phychological aspect, some theories, some chemistry, some simple calculation ,drugs and therapy, pharmaceutics etc.

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QUOTE(hurm00 @ Mar 14 2009, 07:12 PM)
a friend of mine, she got b3 in her chemistry . now she's already in 3rd year pharmacy course.
and guess what?
she got cgpa more than 3 for each sem.
n yes..before pursuing to degree in pharmacy, u must have pre - u qualification.
foundation, matriculation, a - level .
but if u're 100% sure to take pharmacy, just do the foundation in pharmacy..

so..dont worry..just do it..follow your heart.
pharmacy is about chemistry + math ( not that difficult ) + bio ( human anatomy )..actually it covers all the materials..n u need a good soft skills too.
like communicating with ppl..coz when u're working, u must consult ppl..n etc.
so, it is not 100% bout chemistry.
there are other things which take account too.
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Well there is already stated that the requirements to study 'Asasi Farmasi' in both UM and UIAM are at least 3B in Biology and Chemistry and some which I couldnt remember (need to refer to the application form again). Clearly, I do not meet the requirement of having at least 3B in Chemistry. So, I really dont have the opportunity to go for the course?

Actually, I am more interested with Asasi than Matriculation program. But if my chance for the 'Asasi Farmasi' has flown away, will the final possible chance for me to pursue Pharmacy is via Matriculation? Is there any other way?

QUOTE(jerk @ Mar 14 2009, 07:16 PM)
for IPTA, obviously USM is missing from the list. and i think UiTM is for Bumis only.

for IPTS, masterskill, CUCMS, HELP(soon), the one mention by CyberSetan is missing(Island College of Technology, Balik Pulau, Penang) and INTI diploma level.

if you have time, do locate accredition link by the pharmaceutical society in UK.

for australia, the link is http://www.pharmacycouncil.org.au/NAPSAC_a...acyschools.html

some extra info:
The Pharmaceutical Society of Australia (PSA) is the national professional organisation for pharmacists in Australia.

differences between a bpharm and a mpharm (quote from youngkies) :

"though both MPharm in UK and BPharm in other countries are 4 years course degree, but MPharm has more intensive syllabuses, esp. for final year they are taught at master level skills and a research at master level.

in UK pharmacy degree used to be 4 years course BPharm. but they have scraped all 4 years Bachelor degree. then all bachelor degrees are done in 3 years. But because pharmacy syllabuses cant be cramped into 3 years, so they put in more syllabuses, key skills learning at master level for final year, a research project at master level, retain it as 4 years degree and accredited it as Master degree.

so if you have done MPharm in UK, when you go back to malaysia or aus, your degree is equivalent of a Master degree in Pharmacy."
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even a degree in chemistry would not study 99% about chemistry.

it includes learning about healthcare system,physiology and anatomy, phychological aspect, some theories, some chemistry, some simple calculation ,drugs and therapy, pharmaceutics etc.
So that means, we dont need to do Master level in Pharmacy in Malaysia if we have already taken MPharm in the UK?

But still it revolves mainly around Chemistry which I have very much difficulty in.

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total fees for UCSI for 4 years should add up to rm100k
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elven..
have u fill the upu form?
hurm..just give it a shot. just put UM as ur 1st choice.
who knows..u maybe lucky.
perhaps..u can follow this plan..go matrix..study smart..get 4 flat...
with the result..u can apply for any course that u want.
matrix is only for 10months..eventho they say it is for a year..so..
less time consume..n the papers are easy..
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I've filled in the form, but can still be editted. I wanna try to do so but am afraid if i wont stand a chance of getting it. If u wanna know, my choices are all scienc-related such as medic, dentistry, and pharmacy. If matriculation is for 10 months, then how about Asasi?
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first, what is actually 'Asasi Farmasi'?

normally we apply for IPTA using STPM (form 6), so, there is either A, A-, B+, B and B- etc.

but 1 of my lecturer back in UCSI is a mpharm graduate through IMU. she did her master in australia. so, i think it depends?

Added on March 14, 2009, 6:52 pm@Elven

the selection process involve sending out all your 8 choices at once and not your 1st choice and if they reject you only they send out your second choice and so on.

you stand equal chance of getting it regardless which choices(either it is 1st choice or 8th choice) if they decided to offer you. but if you put USM pharmacy as 8th choice and accounting as 1st choice and somehow they decided to offer you both, in the end you will get accounting and not pharmacy( although you want pharmacy more) because accounting is your first choice or higher in the list of the course that you want.

i think i read about it some where but i couldnt recall. perhaps you want to ask around here.

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first, what is actually 'Asasi Farmasi'?

normally we apply for IPTA using STPM (form 6), so, there is either A, A-, B+, B and B- etc.

but 1 of my lecturer back in UCSI is a mpharm graduate through IMU. she did her master in australia. so, i think it depends?
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I dont get what u mean. Like Asasi Sains Hayat/Fizikal and Matriculation, Asasi Farmasi serves as a foundation course but only restricted to Pharmacy only if u are going to take Degree Program (Bachelor of Pharmacy). Whilst Asasi Sains Hayat can lead u to 3 paths, which are Medic, Dentistry or Pharmacy.
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QUOTE(Elven @ Mar 14 2009, 07:47 PM)
I've filled in the form, but can still be editted. I wanna try to do so but am afraid if i wont stand a chance of getting it. If u wanna know, my choices are all scienc-related such as medic, dentistry, and pharmacy. If matriculation is for 10 months, then how about Asasi?
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matrix and asasi hold the same principle.
things that they differ are : matrix is under kementrian pngajian tinggi..asasi is under um.
matrix , u go there..n u study in a college enviro + a lil bit like school enviro too..
asasi..u study in UM,, so u're gonna have the chance to feel the brisk of campus -life-like.
but...both are the same...they teach u the same thing...coz it is all bout basic science subjects..n the final exam has been standardized..
so...both are OK.
after finish, still aiming the same thing..enter U..
if u aimed to do asasi..then put it as ur 1st choice..coz they only pick those who filled at the 1st number..actually, filling in the form is like playing a jackpot..just praying for ur luck. icon_rolleyes.gif
dont think too much whether u're gonna make it or not..coz anywhere is the same..
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Well thanks hurm00 and jerk for firing me up. Now I am more confident to go for what I aim for. I'll just need to be confident to play this jackpot! biggrin.gif
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haha...ya lor...
just pray for ur luck..
whatever the outcomes is, just do your best.
if u get matrix or asasi..aim for 4 flat..so that u can do degree in pharmacy.
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oh my god i couldnt believe i knew nothing about Asasi Sains Hayat/Fizikal. seriously

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oh my god i couldnt believe i knew nothing about Asasi Sains Hayat/Fizikal. seriously
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asasi sains hayat ( pure science)..u learn bio, chem, math...those who r planning to do medicine, pharmacy, dentistry, or any life science courses..they will choose sains hayat.

sains fizikal...u learn math, chem , n physic...normally those who r planning to do engineering course etc.

get the point?
only exchange bio - physic..
but for chem n math..they still learn the same syllabus..

if u did science hayat...when u're applying for a degree, u still can go to engineering .
but if u did science physical...it is quite hard to enter medical programmed..unless u get 4 flat..
if im not mistaken.
which means..sains hayat has a broader options compared to fizikal.
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Well basically Asasi Sains Fizikal is for those who would wanna be an engineer. Asasi Sains Hayat is for those who would want to go for Medic Dentistry or Pharmacy. How come u didnt know ah? I think that these 2 courses are one of the 1st courses implemented years ago before other Asasi like Asasi Farmasi, Pergigian, TESL, etc are implemented.

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asasi sains hayat ( pure science)..u learn bio, chem, math...those who r planning to do medicine, pharmacy, dentistry, or any life science courses..they will choose sains hayat.

sains fizikal...u learn math, chem , n physic...normally those who r planning to do engineering course etc.

get the point?
only exchange bio - physic..
but for chem n math..they still learn the same syllabus..

if u did science hayat...when u're applying for a degree, u still can go to engineering .
but if u did science physical...it is quite hard to enter medical programmed..unless u get 4 flat..
if im not mistaken.
which means..sains hayat has a broader options compared to fizikal.
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Just like in school. If u take pure science stream, u'll possibly be able to choose all courses. But If u take accounting stream, u can only go for Accounting or Business or whatsoever related.

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QUOTE(Elven @ Mar 14 2009, 05:53 PM)
After reading through this thread, I'm starting to like pharmacy.  rclxms.gif
If its 99% is not about chemistry, then what it is about? Well, my acquaintances always said that being a pharmacist requires a formidable knowledge in Chemistry and that u must do well both in ur SPM and Pre-U course as they will be taken into consideration for ur qualification into this field. Well what can I say, I always did bad in my Chemistry during my schooltime.  rclxub.gif
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It's good that you're liking Pharmacy. icon_rolleyes.gif

You shouldn't look back at SPM. Most important is your Pre-U now. You don't need to score 100% for Chemistry and Bio. Just meet the minimum requirements and you should be fine. (eg. 65%)

At Pre-U level, I didn't take Bio and my Chemistry was always a C or D. Ended up getting a low A for final exam.

Still manage to get into Monash after everything. smile.gif But admittedly, I'm struggling with Bio since my last level was at SPM.

Those who took A Levels and STPM would be at an upper hand since they covered more in Pre-U. For those of us who took one-year pre-U programs like SAM, MUFY and AUSMAT have to work harder during the early stages.

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BTW, thanks everyone who contributed some information. I'll update from time to time. Kinda busy. ^^ Sorry.
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Hey still have something confusing wat the difference between the MPharm from IMU and the MPharm from Nottingham...

Izit for the MPharm from IMU you required to study for BPharm at IMU for 4 years then MPharm for another 4 years... If so then the MPharm offered by the Nottingham is much more better...

So among all those IMU, Monash and Nottingham which is da best for student who like to pursue on field of pharmacy...
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@Salamurhaaja

both mpharm by IMU and nottingham is the same ( what i mean is if you can do mpharm at nottingham straight after pre- U, you can do the same at IMU). you need not do bpharm before doing mpharm.

just look at mpharm as a bachelor degree. it doesnt stand for master in pharmacy. mpharm is not master in pharmacy

Added on March 15, 2009, 12:39 amin general, pharmacist would enjoy better prospect in countries that practice seperation of prescribing and dispensing. malaysia is not one of them.

i hope you know what i am talking about as you are interested in becoming a pharmacist.

if you have the money, it is best to go straight to country like uk or australia ( direct entry) and complete all four years there. if not, go for those twinning ones, 2+2.

if you dont have the money, go for those local degree ( fully done in malaysia).

so, answering your Q, IMU and nottingham 2+2 have an edge over the monash Uni.

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Oh thanks for the information... Its really help me a lot b4 i'm still confusing on it... notworthy.gif Yea you're rite 2+2 is beta and why the cost range between IMU and Nottingham still have a slightly diff its about 4++++ tat quite a lot... I wondering why???

Btw then why one must study the MPharm instead of the BPharm... And is it MPharm will be consider as a much higher level...

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because i am not taking mpharm, so i dont really know how to explain it to you. i too dont really know the difference. maybe you should try pm youngkies, he could probably answer your Q better than me.

i guess the nottingham programme is the one that cost more?

i believe that University of Strathclyde and nottingham both are very good in pharmacy. so, it doesnt really matter which one you are going to ( in case both offer you) but i remember nottingham do offer partial scholarship for those students with good pre-U result.

so make sure you try to grab it (know what is the requirement), even 25% off the fees in malaysia is quite a lot.

Added on March 15, 2009, 9:54 pmif you are thinking of going to uk to do pharmacy, there is no bpharm programme. so, you dont get to choose between bpharm and mpharm. there is only mpharm.

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Thanks for the enlightenment hurm00,

I actually did considered getting into Pharmacy but my mom got really pissed and said that Pharmacy hard to find work and got to open own pharmacy shop. But I know she just wanted to get me into Medicine. But for me, I think the course small tuition fees compared to medicine and stable job is quite a catch. I definately place my eye on Pharmacy if not getting Medicine.
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okay this's my earlier question I asked from other pharmacy thread
"Asking behalf for my fren,is it possible for a person who just graduated from degree of pharmaceutical chemistry to further his study in master of pharmacy??

plz need the answer.......urgently"

To Jerk,
yes,my friend's taking pharmaceutical chemistry from IMU and this is his 2nd year and he's wondering that is it possible to further his study in the master of pharmacy........
According to his lecturer,he can do so but he needs to find out which Uni cause not all the uni allow to do that,any idea??


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for those who are still unsure about the differences between an MPharm and a BPharm, go here :
the first few posts clearly explain the differences..

QUOTE(seyuripa @ Mar 16 2009, 12:40 AM)
okay this's my earlier question I asked from other pharmacy thread
"Asking behalf for my fren,is it possible for a person who just graduated from degree of pharmaceutical chemistry to further his study in master of pharmacy??

plz need the answer.......urgently"

To Jerk,
yes,my friend's taking pharmaceutical chemistry from IMU and this is his 2nd year and he's wondering that is it possible to further his study in the master of pharmacy........
According to his lecturer,he can do so but he needs to find out which Uni cause not all the uni allow to do that,any idea??
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Master of Pharmacy? I am assuming you meant MPharm? If it is, then the answer is yes. MPharm is a degree where anyone can take so long as the person passes the Pre-U requirement. However, since your friend is already taking a degree, if he/she wishes to take MPharm (which is a degree), he/she STILL has to take the full course (4 years), although some university may allow you to skip the 1st/2nd semester with direct entry to 2nd year, depending on their course structure and your pharmaceutical chemistry degree.

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well to simplify MPharm is a undegraduate Master degree in pharmacy, which is quite different from undergraduate Bachelor degree, BPharm, although the study period is the same.

The reason why the existance of undergraduate MPharm course in msia is because, availability of twinning program with UK university.

in UK, all bachelor degree is done in 3 years, but there is no way to fit pharmacy studies into 3 years, hence they retain the course for 4 years, and squeeze in a esearch at master level in the final year, to make it equivalent of master degree.

So basically, the different is not much compare to other courses of postgraduate master degree, just that it is a straightaway 4 years undergraduate degree. So if you do MPharm degree in UK, from a reputable uni, you will learn like other postgraduate master degree too, as so to attain skills at master level.

if you asking IMU or Notts, I would suggest Notts. Why, they have been doing 2+2 for long time and are fully accredited by RPSGB. Which means the graduate of the 2+2 degree can remain in UK to work as pre-reg after graduation. As for IMU, only the 2+2 program allows their graduate to remain in UK after graduation, which the program itself is quite new.
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hi baoz,

thanks for the reply on the other thread on which a-levels subjects to choose for pharmacy

we're still juggling a-levels, ib & stpm. depends on scholarship offer n what we can afford.

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But may I know if MPharm is *better* than BPharm since we learn a lot more?

Also may I know if anyone who just came out of university in maybe UK could get job directly to UK without having to wait a year or two getting visa?
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QUOTE(valens @ Mar 16 2009, 01:17 AM)
for those who are still unsure about the differences between an MPharm and a BPharm, go here :
the first few posts clearly explain the differences..
Master of Pharmacy? I am assuming you meant MPharm? If it is, then the answer is yes. MPharm is a degree where anyone can take so long as the person passes the Pre-U requirement. However, since your friend is already taking a degree, if he/she wishes to take MPharm (which is a degree), he/she STILL has to take the full course (4 years), although some university may allow you to skip the 1st/2nd semester with direct entry to 2nd year, depending on their course structure and your pharmaceutical chemistry degree.
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thanks for the reply,I'm really appreciate it............ notworthy.gif
So,according to your explaination ,it means my friend need to take another 4 years full course after he graduated from pharmaceutical chemical which is 3 years program in order to further his studies in MASTER???or the 4 years course itself alrdy included the MASTER degree program........
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@seyuripa

i think you are confused with postgraduate master degree and the mpharm by IMU. i think your friend should know what a mpharm is since he is studying there.

a postgraduate master would suit him better but he needs to find out which Uni accept his bachelor degree that is pharmaceutical chemistry to allow him to proceed to a postgraduate master.

anyway, it is not going to be easy as his course is a three years course ( compare to those usual 4 years) and it is a very new course.
what he is going to learn during his degree is a lot lesser than a pharmacy degree.

so, if he cant find a Uni that allow him to proceed with a postgraduate master, it is best that he change course now rather waste another few years trying to graduate. i think he can apply for at least 1 semester exemption with his units done in pharmaceutical chemistry.
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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Mar 16 2009, 11:16 AM)
But may I know if MPharm is *better* than BPharm since we learn a lot more?

Also may I know if anyone who just came out of university in maybe UK could get job directly to UK without having to wait a year or two getting visa?
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it is definitely better, as it wont be accredited as a master degree if you dont do stuff at master level.

a Master degree is where you attain skills at master level, which is quite different from a bachelor degree. you are not much taught/trained of critical thinking skills, paper appraisal, literature reviews, more detailed presentation, and an intensive research topic in a bachelor degree. so directly or indirectly, you will pick up those skills at higher level if you are doing master degree instead of bachelor degree, and you can notice the difference between a master graduate and a bachelor degree graduate.

first, if you want to work in uk as a pharmacist, make sure your course is fully accredited by rpsgb. then the recruitment of pre-registration placement usually starts before the start of the 4th year. and usually students already got a job as pre-reg way before they graduate. and the best way to secure a pre-reg place comfortably is to work in summer placement program offered by huge company like lloyds or boots or in hospital. as long as you get a pre-reg, which isnt difficult as long as you put some effort to go interview, or dont even mind who or where you are going to work for, then sit for the exam after abt 48 weeks of pre-reg training, pass the exam, and register and pharmacist, and work opportunity is then plentiful.
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Thanks youngkies,

Now I know more about pharmacies prospective already. Man, I sure wanted to apply pharmacy there. What university do you recommend a low-grader to apply there? I'm thinking Leeds or Bristol.
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baoz,

i think we should add a section on all the pre U as in which subject combination to take . things like you can enter pharmacy course without taking biology but it is good to have some foundation about the subject, try to avoid general paper or critical thinking as most of the time the grades are not counted towards meeting the minimum requirement.

and MOST of the time would require 3 B or B+ (at least) to even try to apply for pharmacy course.

another thing i realize is the Nottingham minimum requirement is not as stated in their brochure or website. you could try to apply with a 3 B+ result as they would look at the recommendation letter and the interview.
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Mar 16 2009, 11:08 AM)
hi baoz,

thanks for the reply on the other thread on which a-levels subjects to choose for pharmacy

we're still juggling a-levels, ib & stpm. depends on scholarship offer n what we can afford.

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Sure, no problem.

Look into your budget as well as your choice of university. If you plan on going to local, then STPM is the way to go. But if you're considering other countries, or have omitted the option of going local; then IB and A Levels would be your best bet.

@ jerk: yep, I'll work on that.
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Hey baoz, im currently doing MUFY and the subjects i took are
English, Maths, Computer Science, Chemistry

Previously few months ago i felt that i wanted to do IT related courses. Then suddenly my mood change and i felt like doing pharmacy. ( Yes very weird haha )
One of my friend, he told me that Monash states that you only need Chemistry to do Pharmacy course. But he say, when you get into Monash, they will tell you " Actually you need biology to enter pharmacy course " . Is this true?

For my MUFY semester B, do you think i should take up these subjects:
English B, Maths B, Chem B, Bio A, Bio B ? provided i pass.
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Hey baoz, im currently doing MUFY and the subjects i took are
English, Maths, Computer Science, Chemistry

Previously few months ago i felt that i wanted to do IT related courses. Then suddenly my mood change and i felt like doing pharmacy. ( Yes very weird haha )
One of my friend, he told me that Monash states that you only need Chemistry to do Pharmacy course. But he say, when you get into Monash, they will tell you " Actually you need biology to enter pharmacy course " . Is this true?

For my MUFY semester B, do you think i should take up these subjects:
English B, Maths B, Chem B, Bio A, Bio B ? provided i pass.
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I don't know much about how the MUFY system works, but do take up that combination if you can (provided you're sure you want to do Pharmacy).

I have a coursemate in Monash doing Pharmacy who didn't do Biology in MUFY. If they don't change the requirements next year, you should be alright.
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it's easier to get pharmacy course in local uni with matric rather than stpm.
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Thanks youngkies,

Now I know more about pharmacies prospective already. Man, I sure wanted to apply pharmacy there. What university do you recommend a low-grader to apply there? I'm thinking Leeds or Bristol.
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pharmacy undergraduate programmed can be divided into 2 types...
1.clinical pharmacy..also known as community pharmacy...which always stated as Bachelor in Pharmacy
2. pharmaceutical science and technology..normally they will say Bachelor in Pharmaceutical Science & Technology

if i was not mistaken..in Msia..only offered the no 1 ..i am not sure....better u check it first for more details.
no 1 ..is for those who r interested to work in hospital..open their own pharmacy...be a consultant..they r more likely to meet ppl...etc..so the syllabus are more about..clinical..learn bout name of drugs..its pharmacological effects..

2nd option...they also learn bout the previous things..but not too specific coz they r more majored in science n technology
they learn more details..n more towards industrial..
they learn from a to z..
example..
panadol..it is analgesic drug..the active substance is paracetamol..so they will learn..where it comes from..if it came from plant..what plant..how to extract it..n make it into powder..how to make it into tablet..n what is the mechanism behind this and that...y must be in a form of tableT? can we make it in a form of liquid preparation?..what is others ingredients beside paracetamol..dosage strength..n they also learn bout what type of process that is suitable to make the tablet..there are many types of process..n may types of machine that r used in industrial sectors..n yes..they do learn bout all those machine steps by steps...so..2nd option..they learn more details bout all the drugs .themselves.. they r not very exposed with the case studies
( clinical students normally will get this thing).

so..if u're planning to further ur study in pharmacy field..it is better to know ur interest..coz diff ppl got diff talents and prefer diff working environment.
both programmed are beneficial..and has their pro's n con's
if u liked in making business n be a leader...create new products..then u can go to industrial..it is more about...quality control..research..marketing..financial.. it has a broad prospects..but not all pharmacy students like to go to industrial..coz they think it is boring..eventho highest salary for pharmacist come from industrial.

which U? ask urself..which programmed do u prefer to take?
after that..u can search which U offers that course..
normally..australia and europe Unis..they have the both programmed.
i am not really sure.
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good thread! =) ee should seriously have a life sciences subtopic, since there are quite a number of potential doctors/pharmacist to be.

dont know how you guys can take pharmacology to the next level, real respect there. well, i have one thing to add. pharmacist overseas are well respected in the hospital.

when i did my attachment for applications, the pharmacist told me overseas they will sound the doctor for giving wrong prescription. over here, its just to clarify, or else the doctor will just put the pharmacist down saying its the same thing (in this case the doctor gave prescription of two drugs, different trade name but its the same compound)

Added on March 17, 2009, 8:15 pmyou guys got any good sites or books to recommend? currently am in pharmacology part of my syllabus in medicine. pharmacokinetics....wth wei!

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if i wan to be a pharmacist how many pointer i should score in matriks?4 flat maybe?
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hurm00, I think that should be sticky on the first post, really detailed. Well to be pharmacist in IPTA here, you need 4 flat but IPTS only need 3 B+. But does pharmacy need to learn like in Form 6 like add A to B to become C .C add to D become E(repeat...)? or we just learn the property/structure of the chemical substances
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hurm00, I think that should be sticky on the first post, really detailed. Well to be pharmacist in IPTA here, you need 4 flat but IPTS only need 3 B+. But does pharmacy need to learn like in Form 6 like add A to B to become C .C add to D become E(repeat...)? or we just learn the property/structure of the chemical substances
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Chemistry is like the heart of Pharmacy, I would say. I'm only a first year so I can't tell you much but as future drug specialists, we would need to know in detail the structure of chemicals, their interactions and etc. Once a drug enters our body, how it solubilises into the blood circulatory system, or how the cells absorb them. All depends on their properties.

And of course, A + B ---> C + D would be important too.

For instance: acids and bases. We learn that the strong ones can completely dissociate in water and the weak ones partially. We need to know the equations and equilibrium constants to calculate a lot of things related to the drugs. Since our body is made up mostly of water and stuff.
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Baoz, can i get the contact of any of your lecturers. You are studying in Monash right ? I thought you studied in MUFY before haha.

Edit: can i have your MSN contact too ?

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Baoz, can i get the contact of any of your lecturers. You are studying in Monash right ? I thought you studied in MUFY before haha.

Edit: can i have your MSN contact too ?
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Oh no... I did SAM at Taylor's.

But naturally half of those who entrolled into Monash come from MUFY..
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Chemistry is like the heart of Pharmacy, I would say. I'm only a first year so I can't tell you much but as future drug specialists, we would need to know in detail the structure of chemicals, their interactions and etc. Once a drug enters our body, how it solubilises into the blood circulatory system, or how the cells absorb them. All depends on their properties.

And of course, A + B ---> C + D would be important too.

For instance: acids and bases. We learn that the strong ones can completely dissociate in water and the weak ones partially. We need to know the equations and equilibrium constants to calculate a lot of things related to the drugs. Since our body is made up mostly of water and stuff.
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Ah I guess I would not like Pharmacy as I thought I was. While I could handle STPM Chem, I bet that if I study this for 4 year, my brain might blow up. But I think many do like Chemistry and this could be their dream course.
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no you cant. even if you have A1 for both subjects, you still cant go for a pharmacy degree.

why? you will need a pre-U qualification. A level, STPM, SAM etc is what you need.

are you just after your spm? 3B to me is a grade given for spm examination.

@Ibrahimovic

i just couldnt emphasize this enough.

The four-year Bachelor of Pharmacy is usually the first step for those starting out in this field. Degree courses in pharmacy typically centre around four core areas of study:

* Medicinal chemistry (the chemistry of drugs)
* Pharmacology (the action of drugs)
* Pharmaceutics (the formulation of drug dosages)
* Pharmacy practice (the application of all aspects of pharmacy to professional practice).

so, how many times you see the word chemistry there? only once. although most of the stuff / drugs are related to chemistry, we dont just study chemistry only.

for more info. just refer here.

another source, monash - here

The Bachelor of Pharmacy curriculum integrates four study streams:

- Includes physical, organice and medicinal chemistry, physiology, biochemistry, microbiology, molecular biology and immunology.
- Deals with the formulation of medicines, pharmacokinetics (what happens to the medicine in the body) and the different dose-forms used in therapeutics.
- Covers the major disease states, their epidemiology, pathophysiology, diagnosis, the chemistry and pharmacolgoy of medicines used to treat these conditions, and the clinical and practice aspects of treating patients.
- Explores the role of the pharmacist, professionalism, dispensing, health and the individual, as well as healthcare in our society. Pharmacoepidemiology, the psychosocial aspects of medicine treatment, communication skills, patient counselling, and legal aspects of practice are also covered. During third and fourth year, students undertake Professional Experience Placements in hospitals, community pharmacies and in rural areas.

what i try to point out here is pharmacy dont just study about chemistry or chemistry of drugs only.
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Ah, thats clear enough. Well I forgot that pharmacy is very broad in their study. But if I only get a B in STPM Chemistry, do you think I can do pharmacy?
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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Mar 17 2009, 01:28 PM)
Thanks youngkies,

Now I know more about pharmacies prospective already. Man, I sure wanted to apply pharmacy there. What university do you recommend a low-grader to apply there? I'm thinking Leeds or Bristol.
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if you want to come UK for this course, do consider, Cardiff, Bath, Manchester, Liverpool, Notts and Bristol maybe.

Bristol is well-known uni in uk for some engineering particularly but not pharmacy.

if you wanted to save some money, on budget, do the notts 2+2 instead.

if you want to work in UK but didnt have the budget at all. study in msia, then work for civil service for 4 years in msia, then transfer to UK, do the 1 year pre-reg and finally then you can practice as pharmacist in uk.
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Hey your ISP is from Oxford. You must be a frinkin genius to able to enter there.

But pharmacy is quite a popular course. Do I even stand a chance to enter Manchester or Liverpool with my A-,B,B result?. I heard it one of the top one in UK (not as top as Oxford though tongue.gif)
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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Mar 19 2009, 01:33 AM)
Hey your ISP is from Oxford. You must be a frinkin genius to able to enter there.

But pharmacy is quite a popular course. Do I even stand a chance to enter Manchester or Liverpool with my A-,B,B result?. I heard it one of the top one in UK (not as top as Oxford though tongue.gif)
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doesnt need a genius to get into oxford, just opportunity that you have to look for.

ABB as in what, a-level, stpm, matriculation? i dont know the other two, but ABB in a-level will do to enter mpharm in uk.
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What? Can I really enter with my with that. That STPM but STPM is regarded higher or lower than A-level?

But hey, how do you get into Oxford. I only went there once when I got to trip with my family there. The building is unbelievably old but somehow I know that only the brightest could go there.
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@Ibrahimovic

you need at least B+ in all subjects (exclude pengajian am) normally to apply for a pharmacy course.

some Uni may require A or A- but i never seen a Uni (exclude local prog) go below 12 points which is equivalent to 3 B+ is STPM.

the minimum requirement for STPM is listed in most if not all the tertiary institution website.
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Yep, I guess one more course to throw out of my mind. Biomedical Science seem to be the only one to accept me.

Added on March 19, 2009, 4:42 pmhttp://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/w/index.php?title=Pharmacy_Degree&diff=next&oldid=57661
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In general entry requirements range from AAB - BBB depending on the institution. Some are detailed below.

    * Kings College London : ABB/Interview
    * School of Pharmacy  : ABB/Interview
    * Nottingham University : ABB/AAB/Interview
    * Manchester University : ABB/Interview
    * Aston University Birmingham : ABB
    * De Monfort University : BBB/300 UCAS Tariff points
    * Kingston University : BBB/300 UCAS Tariff points
    * Liverpool John Moores : BBB/Interview
    * Cardiff University Wales : ABB/Interview

Interviews are commonplace for the MPharm degree at most institutions.


UK seem to accept my result !

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What? Can I really enter with my with that. That STPM but STPM is regarded higher or lower than A-level?

But hey, how do you get into Oxford. I only went there once when I got to trip with my family there. The building is unbelievably old but somehow I know that only the brightest could go there.
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there also a lot of not so bright one in there, doing their PhD, fully funded to do some research meanwhile also evading from working life, but somehow in the end get themself a DPhil cert too.

stpm is kinda equivalent of A-level but it is the university discretion to consider of STPM.

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Yep, I guess one more course to throw out of my mind. Biomedical Science seem to be the only one to accept me.

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UK seem to accept my result !
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that is general requirement for a-level.

words of advise, if you want to take pharmacy, try to apply, it is up to the uni to decide your STPM ABB is sufficient or not. you will never know if you never try.
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just try apply the nottingham 2 + 2.

why only uk? australia seems to be not bad as well. after all, both country practice separation of prescribing and dispensing right.
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Well yeah I guess we will never know if we never try. Australia do seem like a good place to study but I'm quite afraid of the racism there. While it a small percentage of racism people, I heard less happening in UK.

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* Mathematics (O level or GCSE) Grade B or SPM Grade A1
    * A-level offer is based on three A-level subjects (typically AAB-ABB); for a combined A/AS level, an equivalent offer is made.
    * Candidates with A-levels must have A-levels in Chemistry and two other subjects, one of which must be a science subject such as Biology, Mathematics or Physics OR A-levels in Chemistry and one other subject which must be an appropriate science subject, plus two AS level subjects. All Biology and Mathematics variants are acceptable.
    * Candidates with STPM will need minimum grades of AAB+ to AB+B+ in Chemistry and two other science subjects/Mathematics. General paper is not acceptable.
    * Candidates with International Baccalaureate will require Grades 5, 5, 6 in Chemistry and two further subjects usually from Biology, Mathematics and Physics, at Higher level plus three further subjects at subsidiary level. Mathematics with Further Mathematics counts as one Higher and one Subsidiary subject. Language A is English and a Grade 5 is required. Applicants should obtain bonus points to give a minimum Diploma of 34-36 points
    * Other Qualifications such as UEC, South Australian Matriculation, Canadian Pre-U (OAC) or other equivalent qualifications will be considered on a case-by-case basis

    All applicants will also be required to attend an interview with a member of the pharmacy academic staff.

English Language Requirement

    * English Language (O level or GCSE) Grade C or SPM Grade A1
    * An International English Language Testing System (IELTS) score of at least 6.0, with a minimum score of at least 5.0 in each of the four individual elements of the test; or
    * A Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL) score of at least 550 or computerised test equivalent of 213. (TWE of at least 4.0)
    * MUET Band 5 may also be considered.
I think maybe its a better choice as the fee is less but is nottingham one of the top pharmacy course in UK?

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just try apply the nottingham 2 + 2.

why only uk? australia seems to be not bad as well. after all, both country practice separation of prescribing and dispensing right.
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Well yeah I guess we will never know if we never try. Australia do seem like a good place to study but I'm quite afraid of the racism there. While it a small percentage of racism people, I heard less happening in UK.

 
I think maybe its a better choice as the fee is less but is nottingham one of the top pharmacy course in UK?
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bath, notts, cardiff, manchester, liverpool, london school of pharmacy and strach.... are the few tops one

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Thanks a lot youngkies.

I send numerous university in UK regarding my result and what health-related course I should be applying. Most just redirect me to Biomedical Science. But QUB says to send addition information so I send PMR,SPM and STPM plus MUET smile.gif Hopefully get someting out of it.

Does Nottingham Malaysia campus will give out certificate that originate from their university in UK? Like the certificate will look like we doing it in UK rather than M'sia.
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Thanks a lot youngkies.

I send numerous university in UK regarding my result and what health-related course I should be applying. Most just redirect me to Biomedical Science. But QUB says to send addition information so I send PMR,SPM and STPM plus MUET smile.gif Hopefully get someting out of it.

Does Nottingham Malaysia campus will give out certificate that originate from their university in UK? Like the certificate will look like we doing it in UK rather than M'sia.
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its the same IIANM. the best is that, it is fully accredited by RPSGB. hence the graduate of notts 2+2 are allowed to do pre-reg in UK after graduation if you can secure a place.
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Nice one. I'm going to check its booth on edufair this weekend!

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haha.. racism. i have yet to come across any in perth yet.

well, every country have that.

anyway, just try to apply for everything. just in case they decided to offer you, then there is something to consider. if you dont try, they certainly not going to offer you anything.

just try to apply for those in australia. it is not compulsary that you have to accept the offer if you are offered a place.

try everything since there is nothing to lose. some australia Uni doesnt even charge you a single cent to processs your application. just make sure you apply for those that are fully accredited. the list is in the first post.
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Ah ok will do. I see that Australia even offer free TOEFL examination to student. They really desperate getting student to their country. I think they figure out how to get money from oversea or 'pengaliran wang dalam negara' tongue.gif
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are you sure? i thought they prefer IELTS.

anyway, some of them will accept the MUET or the 1119 paper during spm.( the one that is mark by the british council or something like that- hope you still have the cert).

just try everything. i like the nottingham's semenyih campus.
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Ah ok will do. I see that Australia even offer free TOEFL examination to student. They really desperate getting student to their country. I think they figure out how to get money from oversea or 'pengaliran wang dalam negara' tongue.gif
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and then you earn and take their money away after you graduated. with pharmacy, there is no mistake, there is shortage everywhere in the world.

just make sure you really want to do pharmacy and are able to take the huge responsibilities and stresses when you work as a pharmacist.
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Oh yeah sorry its IELTS. But does pharmacist work hour is similar to doctor where >48 hour is a norm? And may I know if pharmacist just dispensing medicine 24/7 and they become zombie afterward because of doing it and nothing else tongue.gif?
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hm...i wana ask ~...

is there a possilble a phamacist earn about 7k-10k (work in malaysia)....

shoud i go to oversea to continue to my degree and work oversea ?

hmm...............
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I think 10k only possible if you work as a lecturer or with a pharmaceutical company. But if you want that type of money straight away, work in UK or US. Save money there and when you come back ka-ching $$$
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@Ibrahimovic
i dont think a pharmacist need to work > 48 hours. they normally have fixed hour like 8am to 5pm.

@IceLemonTeaZ
i dont think that is possible. it might take you years to achieve that salary. mb it is possible only if you own a community pharmacy. you will need to at least involve in administration role in industrial sector to get that much money.

Added on March 21, 2009, 9:26 pmif you has started your degree here, it is better that you finish it unless you are still in your first semester.

get a degree and do master oversea.

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Oh yeah sorry its IELTS. But does pharmacist work hour is similar to doctor where >48 hour is a norm? And may I know if pharmacist just dispensing medicine 24/7 and they become zombie afterward because of doing it and nothing else tongue.gif?
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in UK, dispensing has been taken over by dispenser or pharmacy technician. what the pharmacist does is to clinical check the prescription and final check on what has been dispensed against the prescription, before bagging up and handling items out to patient.

this means, dispenser and technician roles have free up pharmacist, enable them to deliver plenty of other services, e.g. medicine use review, patient consultation, medicine management, smoking cessation service, etc etc, more time to interact with the patient.

and also there are plenty of management and paper works as well. not to mention people keep on coming in asking to see the pharmacist for all sort of advise.

QUOTE(IceLemonTeaZ @ Mar 21 2009, 01:57 PM)
hm...i wana ask ~...

is there a possilble a phamacist earn about 7k-10k (work in malaysia)....

shoud i go to oversea to continue to my degree and work oversea ?

hmm...............
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7-10k is pretty norm for pharmacist working in community pharmacy. above 10k is depends on your role and size of the business.

are you doing pharmacy course now or what? where?

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May i know if wanna further my study in nottingham will it be very very hard to get the scholarships offered but still need a very high end result rite...
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first, i dont understand whether you are asking about the undergraduate or postgraduate programme.

second, i dont know if you are refering to the semenyih campus or the main campus in the uk.

but normally the partial scholarship offered is based on your pre-U result. i am talking about the undergraduate programme and you must maintain above cGPA above 3.5 (not sure) throughout the semester.

those information are given in the website or the form to apply for it because i knew i had seen it last time.
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Oh man.... to MUFY students out there reading this...... If you still intend to pursue Pharmacy, the entry score to Monash has already increased.
From 320/400 to 340/400 . 85% average. Haha bad news for me


EDIT: If i can't get into Monash for Pharmacy, and i wan to apply for pharmacy in Nottingham, will it be accepted ? It says quote
" Other Qualifications such as UEC, South Australian Matriculation, Canadian Pre-U (OAC) or other equivalent qualifications will be considered on a case-by-case basis " . But it didn't state the subjects.
Most of the entry requirements require Biology. So im afraid i can't enter since im only taking chemistry. cry.gif

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Oh man.... to MUFY students out there reading this...... If you still intend to pursue Pharmacy, the entry score to Monash has already increased.
From 320/400 to 340/400 . 85% average. Haha bad news for me
EDIT: If i can't get into Monash for Pharmacy, and i wan to apply for pharmacy in Nottingham, will it be accepted ? It says quote
" Other Qualifications such as UEC, South Australian Matriculation, Canadian Pre-U (OAC) or other equivalent qualifications will be considered on a case-by-case basis " . But it didn't state the subjects.
Most of the entry requirements require Biology. So im afraid i can't enter since im only taking chemistry.  cry.gif
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just apply for it. you will never know.

though sometime requirement is important, but it depends on places availability too.

biology is an advantage but usually not compulsory.
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Ow.... hopefully haha... anyone here took MUFY and then doing pharmacy in Nottingham ?
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Just go to Nottingham booth today at FACON. Not as friendly as other place but it's clear and concise.

Turn out out the lowest is cutoff for nottingham is AB+B+ so I could apply. They try persuade me to Engineering but nah...

I'll apply Pharmacy for QUB in UK. Got to go KL next week for counselling with it international staff. So tiring...
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Just go to Nottingham booth today at FACON. Not as friendly as other place but it's clear and concise.

Turn out out the lowest is cutoff for nottingham is AB+B+ so I could apply. They try persuade me to Engineering but nah...

I'll apply Pharmacy for QUB in UK. Got to go KL next week for counselling with it international staff. So tiring...
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to be honest, if you paying abt the same amount of money for tuition fees, why QUB in the first place.

you can do the MPharm at more reputable schools in the mainland UK for abt the same price.

you will land yourself more opportunities for summer placements, part time jobs, pre-reg opportunities and more choices when you work as pharmacist. not to mention that, the healthcare system and even the political system is slightly different between ireland and mainland UK; england, wales and scotland.

Pharmacy in QUB is fine, but it will be more beneficial if you choose to do it in mainland UK instead.
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but was't in Mainland UK it would be tougher to get a spot?( I got a typo error there as the word 'could apply' should be 'could'nt apply') I know my result which is A-,B,B is not good enough for many institution except the unpopular ones. QUB is recognized by SMC which the thing I looked into. If I can get like Cardiff, then I must already apply now. With this result, you think other place will accept me?
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but was't in Mainland UK it would be tougher to get a spot?( I got a typo error there as the word 'could apply' should be 'could'nt apply') I know my result which is A-,B,B is not good enough for many institution except the unpopular ones. QUB is recognized by SMC which the thing I looked into. If I can get like Cardiff, then I must already apply now. With this result, you think other place will accept me?
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you will never know if you never try. just apply for it.

it doesnt just depends on th entry requirement, but also available places.

say 10 places are made for malaysian or international students for this year intake, but there are only 8 applicants in total, hence as long as your qualification (forecast) is not way too far below the entry requirement, you are very likely to be offered a place. but if there are 20 applicants, and the first 15 applicants held 4A's in a-level (or from forecast result), of course the likehood of those applicants below the entry requirement is way lower. so it depends on your luck too. besides, they tend to give out offers more than places they have, because not every applicants will take up the offer too.

so how do you apply for the course? via UCAS?
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No not yet. I have to meet a representative in KL first before deciding. Maybe I will try UCAS later. My brother is good at writing essay on UCAS so I will discuss on what to write.

If you were me, what university do you recommend?
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No not yet. I have to meet a representative in KL first before deciding. Maybe I will try UCAS later. My brother is good at writing essay on UCAS so I will discuss on what to write.

If you were me, what university do you recommend?
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i had once chosen cardiff and i have never regretted it.

any one of these will do, cardiff, bath, nottingham, manchester, london school of pharmacy.

bath and nottingham are really nice campus based universities.

all are among the top pharmacy schools in uk, fighting over the no.1 since ages ago. never fall beyond top 8 of about only less that 40 pharmacy schools in uk.

love cardiff for its location, culture, city, conveniences, facilities, people, uniqueness, buildings, status, and of course among the top pharmacy school. in fact it was rated no.1 in pharmacy for the year when I graduated.
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MUFY and then do pharmacy at nottingham? that is not a wise decision.
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QUOTE(youngkies @ Mar 23 2009, 02:10 PM)
i had once chosen cardiff and i have never regretted it.

any one of these will do, cardiff, bath, nottingham, manchester, london school of pharmacy.

bath and nottingham are really nice campus based universities.

all are among the top pharmacy schools in uk, fighting over the no.1 since ages ago. never fall beyond top 8 of about only less that 40 pharmacy schools in uk.

love cardiff for its location, culture, city, conveniences, facilities, people, uniqueness, buildings, status, and of course among the top pharmacy school. in fact it was rated no.1 in pharmacy for the year when I graduated.
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Ok. I make sure to remember this especially Cardiff. Hopefully my lame result might get me into this courses!
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ermm i hv some question on pharmacist
anyone can give a brief explaination what the pharmacy course is about?
i will be going for jpa pharmacy scholarship
i really hope i do well bcoz i really into it i like pharmacy alot
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QUOTE(wreckens15 @ Mar 25 2009, 01:09 PM)
ermm i hv some question on pharmacist
anyone can give a brief explaination what the pharmacy course is  about?
i will be going for jpa pharmacy scholarship
i really hope i do well bcoz i really into it i like pharmacy alot
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If you don't know anything about the course,how come you said you really like pharmacy..........kinda weird isn't it
btw,which country you will be going??Russia or India
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If you don't know anything about the course,how come you said you really like pharmacy..........kinda weird isn't it
btw,which country you will be going??Russia or India
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actually in the online application form, they did not let us choose which country we want to go, but who knows if they will ask us during the interview.
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i just like mixing2 chemicals hahahahaha
australia
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i just like mixing2 chemicals hahahahaha
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nowadays pharmacist rarely doing mixing of chemicals unless you work in research or academic field.

hospital pharmacy only do some mixing when it comes to preparing aseptic solutions, or fluids for infusion/injections.

most of the preparations, you can get it from distributors.

what is the job about, it depends on where you work in. majority pharmacist works in hospital or community, and their main roles are to:

- clinically screen the medication of patient.

- dispense the medications against a prescription

- provide heatlhcare advise and consultation

- delivering healthcare services

- making sure pharmacy is run under the strict regulations legally

- sell of medicines to various parties appropriately

though roles and responsibilites vary between country.

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does australia hv a good college to study pharmacy?
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Adelaide I think. But tough for foreigner to get to Australia rather than UK as many South East Asian try to get there. Lol, a lot of them from Singapore.

But if got many A's no worry
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all oz pharmacy schools are good, and of almost equal standards......

it is not difficult to get in, the cut off for eg curtin in perth is BBB at a-levels or stpm.......
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just read through my previous post about what a pharmacy students really study and just extract some information from it. you may also try those University website, normally they did give some information about the prospect and so on. even if JPA didnt ask you at the interview, i am sure you understand the pharmacy course and what you can do with it better.

just pick one from the list ( the one from board of pharmacy malaysia) of accreditted degree aka recognised by our government because you are bonded.

Added on March 25, 2009, 9:56 pmoh ya.. make sure you do know what "seperation of prescribing and despensing right" is about.

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all oz pharmacy schools are good, and of almost equal standards......

it is not difficult to get in, the cut off for eg curtin in perth is BBB at a-levels or stpm.......
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Huh? Never knew about that before. I always thought Australia as a competitive place to be in become of the influx of foreigner there.
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@wreckens15

just read through my previous post about what a pharmacy students really study and just extract some information from it. you may also try those University website, normally they did give some information about the prospect and so on. even if JPA didnt ask you at the interview, i am sure you understand the pharmacy course and what you can do with it better.

just pick one from the list ( the one from board of pharmacy malaysia) of accreditted degree aka recognised by our government because you are bonded.

Added on March 25, 2009, 9:56 pmoh ya.. make sure you do know what "seperation of prescribing and despensing right" is about.
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omg i dunno seperation of prescribing and despensing
wat is that?
no.. just what if " why do u want to study at australia comes"
i just like austrlia i dont know how to answer it brilliantly so maybe i know some of the famous college there i can twist and turn the answer abit

oh yeah about the job when ur bonded the " researcher industrial pharmacist business and lecturer" those stuff right? yeah i read it
ty its very usefull
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Huh? Never knew about that before. I always thought Australia as a competitive place to be in become of the influx of foreigner there.
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the competition amongst international students for pharmacy is not as intense as for medicine/dentistry, and the entry requirement for some less popular unis (curtin, unisa, qut) is about ter 90, whereas for more popular ones like monash, it's 95......however their cut off for a-levels and stpm appears lower, as they accept 12 points (BBB).........(cut off for home students is consistently about 95 across the unis, ie foreign students paying full fees can get in with a lower result)........
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my spm result i got 6 A1 including chem and +maths but A2 for bio and other teras non relevant subjects does my chance of getting scholarship is high? i scored 10As
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separation of prescribing and dispensing right definitely 1 of my Q to ask those intend to do pharmacy if i am the interviewer.

just use uncle google (separation of dispensing and prescribing) k. some reading on that topic before your interview should be able to help you.

i have to prepare for my next quiz and i am too lazy to explain.

just a tip for you, Malaysia doesn't practice separation of dispensing and prescribing right.

if you dont understand the word "prescribing" or "dispensing", look up in a dictionary or type " define prescribing " without those " mark in google. a lot of articles uses the word physicians and in malaysia, we call them doctors.

quote from here about one of the disadvantages of our healthcare system:

"the physician has a financial self-interest in “diagnosing” as many conditions as possible, and in exaggerating their seriousness, because he or she can then sell more medications to the patient. Such self-interest directly conflicts with the patient’s interest in obtaining cost-effective medication and avoiding the unnecessary use of medication that may have side-effects."



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@wreckens15

separation of prescribing and dispensing right definitely 1 of my Q to ask those intend to do pharmacy if i am the interviewer.

just use uncle google (separation of dispensing and prescribing) k. some reading on that topic before your interview should be able to help you.

i have to prepare for my next quiz and i am too lazy to explain.

just a tip for you, Malaysia doesn't practice separation of dispensing and prescribing right.

if you dont understand the word "prescribing" or "dispensing", look up in a dictionary or type " define prescribing " without those " mark in google. a lot of articles uses the word physicians and in malaysia, we call them doctors.

quote from here about one of the disadvantages of our healthcare system:

"the physician has a financial self-interest in “diagnosing” as many conditions as possible, and in exaggerating their seriousness, because he or she can then sell more medications to the patient. Such self-interest directly conflicts with the patient’s interest in obtaining cost-effective medication and avoiding the unnecessary use of medication that may have side-effects."
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its okay just reply when u hv time
i know the definition of dispensing and prescribing
but i dont understand whats the whole sentences actually mean
i tried google maybe i dont search enough
if u hv time pls do explain
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prescribing, is to give order/instruction on what to use as a treatment of condition.

dispensing, is to prepare and give out the item prescribed.

the doctor to diagnose the condition and prescribe the medicine, and the pharmacist is to dispense to the patient of what is prescribed by the doctor. but in malaysia, because there is no separation of roles, the doctor have the right to dispense as well.
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QUOTE(youngkies @ Mar 27 2009, 03:26 PM)
prescribing, is to give order/instruction on what to use as a treatment of condition.

dispensing, is to prepare and give out the item prescribed.

the doctor to diagnose the condition and prescribe the medicine, and the pharmacist is to dispense to the patient of what is prescribed by the doctor. but in malaysia, because there is no separation of roles, the doctor have the right to dispense as well.
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and many pharmacist illegally prescribe AND dispense as well....... smile.gif

in fact, in some small towns, the pharmacists work like doctors........they have a little consultation room at the back where they will see patients........
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umm....may i know how many branches is PHARMACY divided to ..?
3..?
Pharmaceutics...?
Pharmaceutical Sciences..?
Pharmacy practice...?
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QUOTE(Deak @ Mar 27 2009, 05:13 PM)
umm....may i know how many branches is PHARMACY divided to ..?
3..?
Pharmaceutics...?
Pharmaceutical Sciences..?
Pharmacy practice...?
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dude.
have u read my 1st post on 1st page?
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aih.
how many times should i explain bout this.
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what do u mean by branches?
is it in term of academic reviews or job prospects?
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post Mar 27 2009, 11:03 PM

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@Deak

i am sure what you need/want to know is all in this thread.

i assume that you didnt read all the previous posts as i had made the effort to search and paste here about area of study of a pharmacy degree (Mar 18 2009) and youngkies had touched on what a pharmacist really do in real world working as a pharmacist (Mar 25 2009).

so, if you are just too lazy to read through some of the previous post, we are too lazy to keep repeating what is already there.

of course not everything is pinned at the first post.

Added on March 27, 2009, 11:38 pm@wreckens15

i have search a few more article for you but you might not able to understand the term and words they use.

here

here

here

here

here

i didnt read through all the articles so they might not help you much.

wikipedia did cover a little on Separation of prescribing from dispensing as well.

i remember NST last year did cover the Separation of prescribing from dispensing issue for 2 weeks but i couldnt locate the article on their website but one of the article above actually refering to 2 articles in NST which dated 29 March 2008 and 31 March 2008.

lastly, in very very simple words..

diagnose is the doctor telling you what illness you have such as cough and fever.

prescribing is the part where the doctor write something like antibiotic after diagnosed your condition so that the nurse or what-so-ever know what medicine to pack for you.

dispense is the part where you get your medication as prescribed by doctor.

in case you are wondering why pharmacist is not involved or maybe i missed out, doctors in malaysia get to sell medicine. Therefore they are dispensing and not pharmacist.


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QUOTE(Deak @ Mar 27 2009, 04:13 PM)
umm....may i know how many branches is PHARMACY divided to ..?
3..?
Pharmaceutics...?
Pharmaceutical Sciences..?
Pharmacy practice...?
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i think i read about this
i think its 2
community pharmacist
and pharmacist in science and technology

Added on March 28, 2009, 8:39 am@jerk
thanks alot u been helping me soo much i will go through all the threads u hv given
i think i hv a little bit knowledge on pharmacy
by the way
anyone hv gone to the interview b4?
do they ask alot about our governemnt as well or maybe social issues?
my sister asked me to find out about the pharmacy club in malaysia
is that relevant and is there such thing?

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diagnose is the doctor telling you what illness you have such as cough and fever.

eh........no lah.......

cough and fever are the symptoms YOU as a patient tells the doctor.......

diagnosis is the the doctor's interpretation of your sign and symptoms to formulate the cause/basis of you symptoms........on which then is treatment decided......

'diagnosing' fever and cough and giving panadol is NOT diagnosis........

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@ limeuu

thanks for helping out.

@wreckens15

pharmacy club as in board of pharmacy malaysia under the ministry of health? pharmacy club sound like those club you join in the Uni.

i assume that you are asking about JPA. my friend did told me that you are required to discuss an issue given in a group but i am not sure cause i am certainly didnt try to apply.

i am sure there are threads out there asking about JPA interview. just use the search function.
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hahahaa not in the university
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 27 2009, 04:05 PM)
and many pharmacist illegally prescribe AND dispense as well....... smile.gif

in fact, in some small towns, the pharmacists work like doctors........they have a little consultation room at the back where they will see patients........
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only in msia.

QUOTE(Deak @ Mar 27 2009, 04:13 PM)
umm....may i know how many branches is PHARMACY divided to ..?
3..?
Pharmaceutics...?
Pharmaceutical Sciences..?
Pharmacy practice...?
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simply in 3.

hospital pharmacit

community pharmacist

industrial and academia pharmacist.
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@wreckens15

i remembered there was an active thread here talking about dispensing right but i was just too lazy to follow it.

the thread has something like "will pharmacist gain dispensing right" as the title
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QUOTE(youngkies @ Mar 29 2009, 06:39 AM)
only in msia.
simply in 3.

hospital pharmacit

community pharmacist

industrial and academia pharmacist.
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I thought they divided into 2,
1)Pharmaceutical Science And Technology
2)Clinical And Community Pharmacy
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Ok I just want to know what do you think is éasier'pharmacology or pharmacy and which has a broader choice of prospective job?
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hi :)

can anyone tell me the pros and cons of studying pharmacy in australia?
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QUOTE(seyuripa @ Mar 29 2009, 12:07 PM)
I thought they divided into 2,
1)Pharmaceutical Science And Technology
2)Clinical And Community Pharmacy
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what i mentioned is more to career branches.

if you are talking about academic/study categories, i would say:

body anatomy and phsiology

law, ethics and professional in pharmacy practice

chemistry and organic chemistry

drug design, formulation and research

pharmacology

biochemistry

and it varies between university.

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Ok I just want to know what do you think is éasier'pharmacology or pharmacy and which has a broader choice of prospective job?
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which is easier, it is difficult to gauge considering it depends on the interest and understanding of the person taking the subject.

i would say pharmacy could be more difficult considering it covers more subjects including pharmacology. but while i was doing the pharmacy course, i found pharmacology module need a lot of memorising and reading, and who do well in biology do have advantage in pharmacology.

broader choice of career, pharmacy will have more.

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Ah thanks youngkies. That's helpful. It seem pharmacy is a more popular choice with many now. Harder to get into.
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i would ask "why do you choose australia?" before answering your Q because you did not mention other country other than australia

Added on April 2, 2009, 5:44 pm@crystalyn and lazarus7247

both of you has asked me the same Q.

before i left UCSI last year (december) , i know their pharmacy degree is not recognized by our government yet.

yes, they have provisional accreditation and approval to conduct pharmacy degree but UCSI degree has not appear in the List of Qualifications by Malaysian Ministry of Health, in the first post. so, i would say it is a no, no full accreditation yet.

the last piece of information i received actually did said that they have received full accreditation but i take that as rumor only because UCSI degree is not listed in the List of Qualifications by Malaysian Ministry of Health. i believe (refer to Accreditation info for Malaysia at the first post) first batch of UCSI pharmacy students is out there practicing and FULL ACCREDITATION is on its way.

the lecturers there are good. you can see their qualification on the USCI website. of course not all of them have taught me before but i do not have any major complain over anyone of them. yes, i do prefer certain lecturers because i believe they can teach better compare to others. (all of them can communicate their ideas and knowledge but just like in secondary school, you prefer certain teachers over others)

the facilities you get there is what you can expect from an IPTS. i believe it is still within normal range, nothing to brag or complain about. the only thing i enjoy a lot is the free printing service provided by UCSI, you bring your own paper and print as much as you want. there will be always long queue during peak hours or if one of the printers breakdown.

some of my friends uses the gym and you get free unlimited faster a bit than 56k internet using their quite old computer lab and you get to install msn there and maybe surf sites you shouldnt because i dont think they installed any web filtering. certain pc is infected with trojan and virus, you must have up to date antivirus in your laptop if you used any thumbdrive between their pc and your laptop.

so, i guess i am finished here. leave any further Q here and i will get to it tomorrow

p/s: i would suggest nottingham,monash,HELP-USM,ICT-USM, IMU(only 2+2) pharmacy prog over UCSI. not because UCSI is bad but if you can get a degree recognized by the government, it is better anytime than getting a provisional accredited one.

anything you do, just stay away from INTI diploma and CUCMS. i dont see any reason at all to go for these two

Added on April 2, 2009, 6:28 pmit seems that there are some confusion over the External Programme Universiti Sains Malaysia by University College Sedaya International which is listed as accredited degree programme.

that is a USM pharmacy degree offered by UCSI. it is not available any more. there is no more intakes into that pharmacy programme since 2007/08.

only ICT still offering usm pharmacy degree or HELP (soon).

Added on April 3, 2009, 4:23 pmaccording to herehere

What are the requirements for a person to be registered as a pharmacist in Malaysia?

In order to register as a pharmacist in Malaysia, a person must :
a. Possess a degree recognized by the Pharmacy Board of Malaysia
b. Undergo pupilage training not less than a year that is recognized by the Pharmacy Board
c. Pass a Forensic examination conducted by the Pharmacy Board

For a foreigner, additional requirements are:
a. He/she is married to a Malaysian
b. He/she is the spouse of a foreigner working in Malaysia under a valid working permit.
There must also be no restriction in the applicant's own visa

so, i think if condition (a) cant be satisfied, you cant register as a pharmacist in malaysia. i just dont know. so you might only can get involve in industrial sector.

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 27 2009, 04:05 PM)
and many pharmacist illegally prescribe AND dispense as well....... smile.gif

in fact, in some small towns, the pharmacists work like doctors........they have a little consultation room at the back where they will see patients........
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for your information, pharmacist in malaysia can prescribe OTC (over the counter) and Group C drugs such as antidiabetic, some steroid cream... it's legal.

the counsultation room is not for pharmacist to diagnose or work like doctor. it's for patient education & counseling. eg: how to use inhaler, insulin pen (patient dun like to show their belly infront of many ppl, so have to do it in counseling room).
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haha.. i am sure he is well aware of that.

i believe there will be a few bad apples in any career. therefore, i wouldnt say that there wouldnt be any pharmacist try to be a doctor in malaysia. not all pharmacist are like that but maybe just a few.
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QUOTE(jerk @ Mar 30 2009, 04:58 PM)
@lya

i would ask "why do you choose australia?" before answering your Q because you did not mention other country other than australia

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sorry for the late reply! i didn't notice that you replied to my question sweat.gif
anyway, well.. i've been a silent reader for quite a while and i notice that uk seems to be the leading country to go to for pharmacy. so i was wondering, what about australia? or new zealand? since those are the countries that jpa scholars get sent off to also, hehe.
i hope you don't mind
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i think there are 2 reason why australia is not popular for pharmacy.

first, their intakes period doesnt really suit our country. their major intake is january or february but our STPM result is released only march. so, you will have to wait for another year before you can start studying.

second, no twinning programme going on between malaysia and australia for pharmacy.

it could probably due to mpharm is more attractive or just like youngkies said, pharmacy is more well established over in uk.

normally people choose australia because it is relatively cheaper to do so compare to uk but we have few mpharm 2+2 and the cost for both is around the same.

i have no idea about those in new zealand at all.

i think as long as our government recognised the pharmacy degree, JPA will send you there.

lastly, just apply no matter australia, new zealand or local 2+2. after all, you dont really get to choose where you want to study before the Uni offer you a place.
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QUOTE(jerk @ Apr 13 2009, 12:34 AM)
@lya

i think there are 2 reason why australia is not popular for pharmacy.

first, their intakes period doesnt really suit our country. their major intake is january or february but our STPM result is released only march. so, you will have to wait for another year before you can start studying.

second, no twinning programme going on between malaysia and australia for pharmacy.

it could probably due to mpharm is more attractive or just like youngkies said, pharmacy is more well established over in uk.

normally people choose australia because it is relatively cheaper to do so compare to uk but we have few mpharm 2+2 and the cost for both is around the same.

i have no idea about those in new zealand at all.

i think as long as our government recognised the pharmacy degree, JPA will send you there.

lastly, just apply no matter australia, new zealand or local 2+2. after all, you dont really get to choose where you want to study before the Uni offer you a place.
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oh okay, i see. thank you, i really appreciate it smile.gif
so mpharm is only offered in uk? and not in australia too right?

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undergraduate mpharm degree is only (not 100% sure though) offered in uk.

others has only postgraduate master degree.

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QUOTE(jerk @ Apr 13 2009, 01:14 AM)
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undergraduate mpharm degree is only (not 100% sure though) offered in uk.

others has only postgraduate master degree.
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MPharm as the 1st degree is only offered in the UK.

At any other places in the world (I believe), their 1st degree for pharmacy is BPharm, BSc (Pharmacy) or whatsoever. And, their 2nd (which is also the postgraduate) degree, will then be MPharm (or MSc (Pharm) or whatsoever) should they be pursuing the similar field.

In UK, the postgraduate degree is MSc, MRes, MPhil or PhD.
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QUOTE(jerk @ Apr 13 2009, 01:14 AM)
@lya

undergraduate mpharm degree is only (not 100% sure though) offered in uk.

others has only postgraduate master degree.
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QUOTE(tanjinjack @ Apr 13 2009, 01:30 AM)
MPharm as the 1st degree is only offered in the UK.

At any other places in the world (I believe), their 1st degree for pharmacy is BPharm, BSc (Pharmacy) or whatsoever. And, their 2nd (which is also the postgraduate) degree, will then be MPharm (or MSc (Pharm) or whatsoever) should they be pursuing the similar field.

In UK, the postgraduate degree is MSc, MRes, MPhil or PhD.
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okay, i see. thank you smile.gif so i guess it would be best to take mpharm rather than bpharm?
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if you can secure a place and have the money, why not.
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guys, what is the different between assistant pharmacist and pharmacist??

is it true for diploma holder in pharmacy they can only work as assistant pharmacist only??(infromation I get from UCSI counselor)
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what is the differences between assistant supervisor and a supervisor?

the obvious part would be supervisor in charge of more things and there are some things only can be done by the supervisor etc. this is almost the same for assistant pharmacist and pharmacist.

yes, diploma holder can only be assistant pharmacist. well, i dont have any data to back me up but i think the CSI counselor is right on that.

i dont understand why you ask this Q at the first place. UCSI didnt even offer diploma in pharmacy and the only place i can think of is INTI.is it because your result not good enough?

it is good to note that there is no way to top up a pharmacy degree after your diploma. someone here actually wrote that it is not a pathway recognised by the board of pharmacy. again, you only have my words.
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Ah shit i am scared now..i'm taking STPM..my results came out ok...A for Pa,A- for bio and chem...but B only for math!!I heard that the minimum requirement for pharmacy is B+ for math..wat should i do now?I am not aiming for private uni though coz of financial restrictions...public uni is my only and last choice..with only B in math,can i get the pharmacy course?
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QUOTE(Duckies @ Apr 17 2009, 11:38 AM)
Ah shit i am scared now..i'm taking STPM..my results came out ok...A for Pa,A- for bio and chem...but B only for math!!I heard that the minimum requirement for pharmacy is B+ for math..wat should i do now?I am not aiming for private uni though coz of financial restrictions...public uni is my only and last choice..with only B in math,can i get the pharmacy course?
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that would be difficult..........
you will have to apply for IPTS then, use PTPTN loan and go for... say

http://www.kict.edu.my/index.php?option=co...id=14&Itemid=27
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 27 2009, 04:05 PM)
and many pharmacist illegally prescribe AND dispense as well....... smile.gif

in fact, in some small towns, the pharmacists work like doctors........they have a little consultation room at the back where they will see patients........
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Ideal advanced country arrangement:
Doctor is the best expert in diagnosis so they only do diagnosis and write prescription.
Pharmacist is the best expert in drug so they only check for possible mistake in prescription and after checking, dispense the medicine.


In Malaysia.
Doctor think they are the best expert in both diagnosis and drug. So they diagnosis and dispense.

Pharmacist do not get prescription to dispense so they start to diagnosis and dispense.

Yes, it is a mad-mad world in Malaysia. Another Malaysia boleh stuff.
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SHIT!I don wan IPTS....yer juz for B in math makes the 3As useless...sad case




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that would be difficult..........
you will have to apply for IPTS then, use PTPTN loan and go for... say

http://www.kict.edu.my/index.php?option=co...id=14&Itemid=27


FARMASI
KF00

08 Semester




MEMENUHI SYARAT AM UNIVERSITI
DAN
SYARAT KHAS PROGRAM

Mendapat sekurang-kurangnya Gred B (NGMP 3.00) pada peringkat STPM dalam mata pelajaran berikut:

• Biology;

• Chemistry; dan

• Mathematics T / Further Mathematics T



dan



Mendapat sekurang-kurangnya Tahap 3 (Band 3) dalam Malaysian University English Test (MUET);


Tis info i get from gov website..the Uni for the above course is UKM..looks like the minimum grade for math is B wo..

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@Duckies

enough for the minimum requirement, time for the harsh reality.

as you know, pharmacy is very competitive to get in. so, minimum requirement will remain as minimum requirement.

according to unofficial statistic for intakes in the year of 2007 if i am not mistaken, the lowest cGPA to get offered a place in pharmacy is 3.89 for STPM qualification and there is only that 1 lucky person. the rest are straight As 4.00 students. if you are from matriculation, then there might be a chance to get in IPTA for pharmacy.

you might have chance to get into pharmacy but dont keep your expectation high.

so, my advice to you is,

1.get ready to apply some other courses as well for your IPTA. particularly those less competative one(biochemistry or microbiology etc).

2. if you really want only pharmacy, secure a scholarship or PTPTN and for IPTS. go for UCSI.

"yer juz for B in math makes the 3As useless...sad case"
you should have know when you decided to take STPM and aiming for pharmacy in IPTA. i still remember my maths teacher said,

"although some of you aim for medicine and all of you might think that maths is useless and not related to your career in future, but if you dont score at least A-, do you think you can get the offer?"

i think that what he said is so true.

p/s: the unofficial statistic i talked about is kexijifen.
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I am not every good in math so duh cant do anything except blaming myself.Anyway thanks for the info...biochem can be another path for me..as long as it has potential career with decent salary in the society.Biomedic from wat i heard is having tough time as it's a new course and not much job aplication offered
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specific degree such as chemistry degree, biology, biochemistry, microbiology are sought after by some industry (pharmaceutic or chemical manufacturing for example). there are some prospect but salary wise perhaps you should google around.

the production of biomedical science graduates is so much every year but i doubt the market demand is so huge to accommodate almost every graduates. just look at the number of institution offering biomedical science. the prospect is so much better overseas compare to malaysia where some graduates are working at lab that analyze your blood and urine etc.

Added on April 18, 2009, 6:23 pmjudging from your result, i think you have the potential to score maths but maybe lack of practice and didn't realize the serious price to pay for not scoring maths are what that affect your maths result.

i believe to be able to score/swim in maths, you just have to get wet.

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judging from your result, i think you have the potential to score maths but maybe lack of practice and didn't realize the serious price to pay for not scoring maths are what that affect your maths result.
Thanks for saying i hav the potential.Mayb i hav,but juz cant getting myself interested in math.So in the end lack of practice and get a B.

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i believe to be able to score/swim in maths, you just have to get wet.


Wow well said! rclxms.gif

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Hi everyone.. I'm new user here but I've been reading all the post regarding pharmacy course..
Here's my first post..

NUS or University of Nottingham better??

NUS world ranking Top 20.. Notthingham world ranking Top 70..
NUS student ends up with Bachelor Sc. (Pharmacy) Degree.. Nottingham student ends up with MPharm..

Help.. Headache.. In doubt.. Need guidance.. ^^
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i dont see the reason for any headache.

in your case, it is not about the Uni ranking but rather the prospect of pharmacy in uk and singapore.

singapore is moving towards separation of prescribing and dispensing roles i suppose. according to here . so, why study pharmacy at a country that is still moving toward that direction and not at uk where they have achieved that goal.

it would be best if you could go uk for 4+0.

some argument of the issue is found here.

i am not sure whether you get my point but do keep me updated.
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QUOTE(Duckies @ Apr 18 2009, 09:40 AM)
I am not every good in math so duh cant do anything except blaming myself.Anyway thanks for the info...biochem can be another path for me..as long as it has potential career with decent salary in the society.Biomedic from wat i heard is having tough time as it's a new course and not much job aplication offered
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True. The prospects for Biomedical Science is not very good in Malaysia moreover with the current economic situation it's worse.

Speaking from personal experience, my sister and friend both graduated from Monash Malaysia with a degree in Medical Bioscience. My sis hasn't been able to find a job that's really related to what she studied. She's been doing sales, customer service and supply chain since her graduation. Jobs you can easily do with any other degree elsewhere. She has tried applying to Singapore with connections and some strings(my dad) but can't even secure a job in the industry.

My friend on the other hand decided to go on to do a Honours instead rather than sit at home and wait for jobs.

Still, there's no harm in applying to public unis for Pharmacy. Of course considering your Maths results you'll have to think of alternative courses already. Otherwise, do consider PTPTN loans to do in private local unis.
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Hey jerk.. Thanks for your info..
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Anyone going for the coming USM pharamcy interview? How we are going to kno whether we are selcted or not?
and when is the interview date?
i hope to get to know those who are shorlited for the interview for Pharm at USm and wish that we could share our idea before facing the interview.shall we?smile.gif
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congrats. remember to anticipate the Q they going to ask you in the interview. all the best.

on a side note, what do you mean by whether you are selected or not? i thought you are one of those that were shortlisted ?
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Interview for pharmacy???When?How do u know tat u r selected??? shocking.gif
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Wa.... i went to MUFY without any initial plan to do Pharmacy in the future.
Guess now i have to bear with this and try my best to score 85% and above and get into Monash Pharmacy ><
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Lepasan Matrikulasi /STPM/Diploma


This is from wat i get in USM's website.The interview is on 10-20 Mei??Where is Pusat Pengajian Farmasi??

The link is here though.Interview for USM
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what is your initial plan after doing MUFY? it shouldnt be tough though.
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guys, what is the different between assistant pharmacist and pharmacist??

is it true for diploma holder in pharmacy they can only work as assistant pharmacist only??(infromation I get from UCSI counselor)
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pharmacy assistant can never be a pharmacist, unless he/she went to complete the a pharmacy degree.

and yes, only a pharmacy degree holder can be the pharmacist. although it seems pharmacy assistant can work to the extent of a pharmacist, but they dont have the responsibilities a pharmacist can hold.

btw, it is called pharmacy assistant. a assistant pharmacist is a pharmacist whom is also an assistant to some role.

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Hi everyone.. I'm new user here but I've been reading all the post regarding pharmacy course..
Here's my first post..

NUS or University of Nottingham better??

NUS world ranking Top 20.. Notthingham world ranking Top 70..
NUS student ends up with Bachelor Sc. (Pharmacy) Degree.. Nottingham student ends up with MPharm..

Help.. Headache.. In doubt.. Need guidance.. ^^
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NUS world ranking is higher than nottingham, in general, doesn't mean it pharmacy school is top 20 in the world.

well it is up to you where to go. but if you are looking to work as a proper pharmacist, someone that hold dispensing roles and where the profession is more recognised as healthcare professional, then UK is the place you should go.

and notts 2+2 is a good program and cheap option too.


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pharmacology by rang and dale.
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pharmacology by rang and dale.
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There are two pharmacology books recommended by my lecturers:

1. Essentials of Medical Pharmacology - KD Tripathi
2. Lippincot's Illustrated Review: Pharmacology - Richard D. Howland

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very useful books~
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hurm,
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pharmarcy is more on chemistry huh???
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There are two pharmacology books recommended by my lecturers:

1. Essentials of Medical Pharmacology - KD Tripathi
2. Lippincot's Illustrated Review: Pharmacology - Richard D. Howland

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very useful books~
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Thanks for the info,btw any good references pharmacology books out there??planning to briefly read it through before my pharm July intake
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pharmarcy is more on chemistry huh???
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i would say 30:50:20 for chemistry:biology:and other stuffs (law, professional practice, formulation etc etc)

QUOTE(MicLord @ Apr 25 2009, 11:20 PM)
Thanks for the info,btw any good references pharmacology books out there??planning to briefly read it through before my pharm July intake
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pharmacology at a glance. cant remember the author.

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im going to matrix
if i take sains fizikal..
i still can take pharmacy?
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Island College of Technology in penang offers pharmacy degree from USM for rm 10 000 per sem. I think it is lowest in malaysia. It is fully recognised because it is a USM degree.
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just because it is a USM pharmacy degree, doesnt mean that the accreditation is given without any evaluation. they still have to go through the same process.

@t0rres

i dont know. what are they subjects for sains fizikal? do you have chemistry and maths? biology is quite essential too
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yah..
sains fizikal got maths physics and chemistry
sains hayat got maths bio chemistry..
hmm..
any opinion?
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it would be obvious that sains hayat provide a better foundation for pharmacy course because of biology. you can do with sains fizikal if you want but i wouldnt know if that is going to affect your chance of getting into pharmacy course.
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hi just have some questions..Currently I'm a nursing student..I wanna trasfer course to pharmacy, I got a really bad result for my spm but I'd changed when come to college. Now i got my result consider ok. Maintained my cgpa at 3.7. But I just too worried is it pharmacy will it be too tough for me? cause that's not a small amount to complete the course n i dun wanna fail me parent's money away. I still cant make a decision and it seriously bodered me alot.

Any suggestion from pharmacy students or pharmacist? >.<
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hi just have some questions..Currently I'm a nursing student..I wanna trasfer course to pharmacy, I got a really bad result for my spm but I'd changed when come to college. Now i got my result consider ok. Maintained my cgpa at 3.7. But I just too worried is it pharmacy will it be too tough for me? cause that's not a small amount to complete the course n i dun wanna fail me parent's money away. I still cant make a decision and it seriously bodered me alot.

Any suggestion from pharmacy students or pharmacist? >.<
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why pharmacy?

how long has you been in nursing course?

next is that you have to find out from the pharmacy schools of your choice if they wanna take you in based on your spm result or current nursing course result.
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to enter ict penang which offers pharmacy degree of usm, they require pre-u requirement from stpm, matrics, a level or same level as it is
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to enter ict penang which offers pharmacy degree of usm, they require pre-u requirement from stpm, matrics, a level or same level as it is
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Weird.
Why are you digging up quite a number of pharmacy threads and promote ICT?
Do you have an agenda?
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to enter ict penang which offers pharmacy degree of usm, they require pre-u requirement from stpm, matrics, a level or same level as it is
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Ya,seriously you need to stop digging up all those pharmacy threads or else this subforum will be flooded with pharmacy threads sweat.gif
Its good that you're trying to promote ICT here and I do know that you're a student from ICT thats why you wants to promote your respective Uni to the public
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Well guys, sorry about that. no offence please.
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Hello, I'm new here.

I have a few questions.
1.What do you think about the future of this field (pharmacy) in Malaysia?

2. Are those prospects stated in the thread a fact or just a mere assumption?

3. I heard that there is a certain limit of your income after being a pharmacist for years, let say 6 years, is it true?

I am a SPM leaver and currently applying for JPA scholarship under pharmacy course.

I personally do not think that the government will give the dispensing right to pharmacists in the near future or even until I have retired due to the mentality of Malaysians in regard to this issue.
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pharmacy career is good but probably could be much better if dispensing right is given to the pharmacist.

working with the government as a fresh graduate should secure you around rm3500 if i am not mistaken.

is that good enough for you? or you could just finish the 7 years bond or break the bond after all. starting working and pay back around rm600000 to the government.

clarify the prospect of pharmacy you are talking about, certainly i have no idea which statement are you referring to.

i believe whether people employed you as a community pharmacist or clinical pharmacist, there would be a limit to your income. there might be some increase if you are working with the government (considering those serving in education field although i dont know whether pharmacist has something similar to that) or if you are paid a fixed income as a community pharmacist.

it might be different if you own a pharmacy but competition among pharmacy is stiff though. for industrial pharmacist, there would be a limit as well unless you are involved in the management role and climb up the ladder slowly.
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it is quite simple, once you have reach the limit/threshold for your position, move to another level then.

e.g., pharmacist>pharmacy manager/store manager/manager of some sort>area manager>regional manager>CEO of the company etc

pharmacist>pharmacist in charge of certain department/specialist pharmacist>head of department>regional pharmacist manager for hospitals of an area>head of hospitals pharmacist of an region/head of hospital maybe>minister of health

the sky is the limit. the money is where the managerial role is.

whatever the profession, there is no limit to it, should it be a cleaner or a pharmacist. just that a pharmacy degree gives you a better starting point if compare to a cleaner.
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Hi everyone,as i'm goin to start my course this september so I planned to read some books after my a level to prepare myself .. is there any books that is highly recommended to read??thanx a lot...

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Hi everyone,as i'm goin to start my course this september so I planned to read some books after my a level to prepare myself .. is there any books that is highly recommended to read??thanx a lot...
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nah, dont bother to read. you have plenty time to read when you have started term time.

enjoy the holiday as much as possible.

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nah, dont bother to read. you have plenty time to read when you have started term time.

enjoy the holiday as much as possible.
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i second that xD ...

btw.. if any of you guys are planning to pursue pharmacy in IMU, i do advise you guys to go for the 2+2 MPharm programme. It allows you to proceed to your pre-reg year (one extra year after you graduated in UK) for registration with the RPSGB (Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain). Basically with this recognition, you improve your future job opportunity as you can later on work in majority of countries that recognized that qualification (i think its worldwide acceptance)... but of course to work in Malaysia, you need to serve the goverment for 4 years to get your full license (ridiculous if you are a private student, we pay and have no choice but to serve the goverment -.- ")

the 2 1/2 + 1 year MPharm, in my opinion is really really inferior. You cannot register yourself for the pre-reg, and you need to work in goverment hospital/pharmacy for 4 years to obtain your full pharmacy license that only allow you to work in Malaysia. If you are then planning to obtain RPSGB registration, then its another extra 2 years for you... (a total of 6 years.. wasted, in my opinion).
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it is quite simple, once you have reach the limit/threshold for your position, move to another level then.

e.g., pharmacist>pharmacy manager/store manager/manager of some sort>area manager>regional manager>CEO of the company etc

pharmacist>pharmacist in charge of certain department/specialist pharmacist>head of department>regional pharmacist manager for hospitals of an area>head of hospitals pharmacist of an region/head of hospital maybe>minister of health

the sky is the limit. the money is where the managerial role is.

whatever the profession, there is no limit to it, should it be a cleaner or a pharmacist. just that a pharmacy degree gives you a better starting point if compare to a cleaner.
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to become specialist pharmacist,head of department,, and so on.. we just need a degree of pharmacy? wat we need to do if wan become a lecturer? master?

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nah, dont bother to read. you have plenty time to read when you have started term time.

enjoy the holiday as much as possible.
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i totally forget about my form 6.. i really no need to study before i go start the course? blink.gif

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stuff you learn in form 6 is much much more diverse but i think you could revise on tissues,organelles and cells ( for sure it is in the biology for first semester) and perhaps chemistry functional groups,isomers, kinetics, buffer, chemical equilibrium and you cant go wrong. these are the common topics that pre-U might have touched on and you shouldnt find it tough.

@el8155
i think sometimes you can do with just a degree just like some of my lecturers are practicing pharmacist themselves.
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haha....but i'm quite worry tat i cant cope with the course due to the fact tat i didnt take up biology for my a level...thanks for giving opinions i really appreciate tat biggrin.gif

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thanks a lot 4 ur advise biggrin.gif

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@youngkies & jamc
haha....but i'm quite worry tat i cant cope with the course due to the fact tat i didnt take up biology for my a level...thanks for giving opinions i really appreciate tat biggrin.gif

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thanks a lot 4 ur advise biggrin.gif
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I am not sure about the subject modules in other institutions. But i can tell you about Mpharm in IMU though... prior knowledge of biology is always a plus point but you really dont need it because they have arranged for mandatory biology foundation classes for semester 1 and 2... plenty of time for you to catch up ;D no worries at all xD
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hey.just wanted to know,what kind of Maths do you guys do in pharm school?
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super simple maths? definitely not tougher than pre-U maths. dosage calculation, unit conversion , propotion etc
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actually wat difficult about pharmacy? why many of those who study pharmacy seems stress up? because of the memorizing drugs? yawn.gif
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actually wat difficult about pharmacy? why many of those who study pharmacy seems stress up? because of the memorizing drugs? yawn.gif
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ya,I would like to know about that also since my friend sis advised me not to go for pharmacy,she told me that she has been struggling in her studies ever since she took bpharm..... whistling.gif
Btw,I'm going for pharmacy in this august no matter what rolleyes.gif
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hey.just wanted to know,what kind of Maths do you guys do in pharm school?
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maths in pharmacy is not difficult. the difficult part is understanding and finding out what you have to get, esp. in formulation science, pharmacy does have their own unit (non-SI) such as % w/w, % v/w etc etc, use of calculator is prohibited, high passing mark, and a little silly mistake can get your patient killed/failed you the exam.

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actually wat difficult about pharmacy? why many of those who study pharmacy seems stress up? because of the memorizing drugs? yawn.gif
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who seems to stress up?

i would say the difficult bit is not memorising the drug, but to understand from everything like, what disease, why it happened, how it happened, what is the treatment, how does the treatment works, and what is the care plan after that, to pharmacology of the drug in the body, to patient-care in primary and tertiary care, to pharmacy law, ethics and professional practice, to microbiology, from general chemsitry to complicated organic chemistry, drug desigh, drug formulation and delivery etc etc.

pharmacy is not just about memorising drugs, and is not all about drugs too. one other difficult bit is it also involves long hours every day, compare to some other course that require attendance of only 4-10 hours per week.

Added on May 9, 2009, 8:10 pmand one final thing is, if you think the 4 years course is hard enough, wait until you get into real world and practice as pharmacist. the responsibilites and decision you have to make everyday is just enormous too.

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How about calculus ??Could there be any Calculus in the 4 years course too??
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my bro's friend who work as a pharmacy said actually the studies have nothing to do when going out work as a pharmacist.. he working in a community pharmacy
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How about calculus ??Could there be any Calculus in the 4 years course too??
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nope. though it might depends on school, but doubt there is in any other school.

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my bro's friend who work as a pharmacy said actually the studies have nothing to do when going out work as a pharmacist.. he working in a community pharmacy
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well kinda. the knowledge learnt can be useful, but less applicable for a typical community pharmacist. but then it is different for hospital pharmacist.
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so is that the kind of stuff to expect in basic maths that were supposed to learn in IMU?(joining in July,btw)
also,what abt stats?

Thanks a lot!:D
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maths in pharmacy is not tough at all, you just need a few practices to get good at it.

given 100ml of solution you need to put in 10g of A.

so, if you are only required to make 50ml of solution, you will need only 5 g of A.

of course there are tougher calculation but most of the time they are not like those asking for relative velocity or vector etc.

stats you mean statistics?

if you are taking local bpharm, i doubt there will be any calculation or statistics stuff. of course you still have to do calculation for physical chemistry part. apply the formula and substitute the value etc

Added on May 10, 2009, 4:06 pmthe last sentence is talking about first semester

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@sherlock holmes

maths in pharmacy is not tough at all, you just need a few practices to get good at it.

given 100ml of solution you need to put in 10g of A.

so, if you are only required to make 50ml of solution, you will need only 5 g of A.

of course there are tougher calculation but most of the time they are not like those asking for relative velocity or vector etc.

stats you mean statistics?

if you are taking local bpharm, i doubt there will be any calculation or statistics stuff. of course you still have to do calculation for physical chemistry part. apply the formula and substitute the value etc

Added on May 10, 2009, 4:06 pmthe last sentence is talking about first semester
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ohh!i see!its just that i did SAM and i was told the maths n chem (in IMU at least) is more like STPM.and i did have some prob with SAM maths..hehe. blush.gif so just wanted to know what exactly to expect...

yea,taking the local bpharm.and actually,there is something called statistics 4 health professionals or something like that in the 1st sem.

but yeah,im excited!cant wait! drool.gif

btw,thanks again. notworthy.gif

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we do learn a lot more in depth in certain topics for chemistry compare to STPM. 1 of the topics will be isomer.

R-isomer might have therapeutic effects while S-isomer doesnt. well, we dont learn about R and S or the E and Z notation in STPM.

my pharmaceutics lecturer always tell us not to be afraid of calculation in pharmacy. she said we even can solve about a plane or ships related Q (all those Q full of "madness") and therefore there wouldnt be a problem for calculation in pharmacy.

i suspect the statistics would be about epidemic and stuff like that where you will be learning about social inequality, health provision, gender and genetic bias of some diseases, ethnic group etc. i dont think it is maths related but i could be wrong
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so is that the kind of stuff to expect in basic maths that were supposed to learn in IMU?(joining in July,btw)
also,what abt stats?

Thanks a lot!:D
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oh ya now i remember the most difficult bit of calculation for the duration of the course would be either pharmaceutic or formulation science.

pharmaceutic would involve calculation of bioavailabilty, half-life, distribution of drug etc etc which also require you to interpret and analyse graph, statistic etc etc. and what usually happen is, one wrong answer leads to failing the whole sets of questions.

as for formulation science, the math itself wont be difficult, but its the question that can be very tricky.
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my interest also in Medicine,dentistry n pharmacy...study medicine in perivate uni is damn exp...seriously my parents cant affort.

beside tat i really anti form 6,so i plan 2take A level now... i stil waiting 4matrix now,tis is the 2nd time one...

the entry requirement 4 Imu is A level o stpm,so i choose A level. A level in Ucsi gud o not? isnt A level hard as form 6? can score easily? which ipts offer pharmacy tis course? by d way, i only noe monash,segi,imu n ucsi.

A level can go into iPTA?i heard tat USM will receive A level students... rclxub.gif

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come on. every IPTS that offer pharmacy is within the first post and yet you are still asking this Q.

you should save on money spend on pre-U and go for STPM instead. IPTA is so so so much cheaper and yet you are not considering getting 4.0?

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Just wondering if anyone's from Nottingham local?

After the transfer, can you choose to work in UK? Or maybe Australia?
Got a feeling like pharmacists are more appreciated overseas.

Thanks
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i think you are able to do that.

taiko88 and wts89 is studying pharmacy at nottingham. perhaps you should drop by nottingham thread
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Just wondering if anyone's from Nottingham local?

After the transfer, can you choose to work in UK? Or maybe Australia?
Got a feeling like pharmacists are more appreciated overseas.

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you are allowed to practice as pre-reg in UK after the 2+2 program from nottingham.

oh yes, they are more appreciated overseas and well paid too.
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Thanks for the feedback for my previous post.

Questions:
I understand that the systems in UK and Aus for degree in Pharmacy are different in which one will obtain Bachelor of Pharmacy/Masters in Pharmacy (Mpharm) in UK and Bachelor of Pharmacy (Bpharm) in Aus. And I have checked on the JPA website and it's stated that both BPharm and Mpharm are considered a degree (Ijazah Sarjana Muda) as accredited by our local higher institution.

Thus, I would like to ask which is the preferred choice (Mpharm or Bpharm) and why is it so. Plus, does that mean that if someone is a Mpharm holder, he or she has finished Masters during the degree program, therefore can continue to PhD right away if he or she wishes to continue her postgraduate studies?

Honestly, I know little about the study life in Universities especially in Pharmacy as I am an SPM leaver. Please do correct me if I am wrong.

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Thanks for the feedback for my previous post.

Questions:
I understand that the systems in UK and Aus for degree in Pharmacy are different in which one will obtain Bachelor of Pharmacy/Masters in Pharmacy (Mpharm) in UK and Bachelor of Pharmacy (Bpharm) in Aus. And I have checked on the JPA website and it's stated that both BPharm and Mpharm are considered a degree (Ijazah Sarjana Muda) as accredited by our local higher institution.

Thus, I would like to ask which is the preferred choice (Mpharm or Bpharm) and why is it so. Plus, does that mean that if someone is a Mpharm holder, he or she has finished Masters during the degree program, therefore can continue to PhD right away if he or she wishes to continue her postgraduate studies?

Honestly, I know little about the study life in Universities especially in Pharmacy as I am an SPM leaver.  Please do correct me if I am wrong.

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well the difference between MPharm and BPharm has been discussed numerous times. look at first post and go through the links.

the main difference is what you have learned during the course, esp. the soft skills.

and yes if you are MPharm holder, you can go straight to PhD post.
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Hey, thanks for the replies.

I heard that in Australia, people dont usually visit Doctors for fever, flu.
But they visit the Pharmacy for a prescription, is that true?

Thanks again.
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Hey, thanks for the replies.

I heard that in Australia, people dont usually visit Doctors for fever, flu.
But they visit the Pharmacy for a prescription, is that true?

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I am not sure about Aus, but in UK, they dont have to go to doctor for minor illnesses, e.g. flu, fever, cough, cold, constipation, diarrhoea, general pain, hay fever, conjunctivitis, even some STI, morning after pill and a few more.

they dont get prescription from pharmacy, but they can buy it straight from the pharmacy or as services. the pharmacy has some right to diagnose and sell those medications for minor illness.

what is the point going to doctor for flu, fever and cough anyway. prescribing antibiotic for those minor illness is irrational, and going for just some cough syrup is wastage of doctor time and resources.
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QUOTE(ShaneNg @ May 13 2009, 12:31 AM)
Hey, thanks for the replies.

I heard that in Australia, people dont usually visit Doctors for fever, flu.
But they visit the Pharmacy for a prescription, is that true?

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as far as i know, pharmacy can dispense but not give the patient a prescription but i suppose pharmacist can suggest some over the counter medicine/ pharmacist only medicine provided that the pharmacist did give them counseling on how to use the drug etc. bold part is written in the law.

if i am not mistaken, only doctors, dentist and veterinarian can prescribe in australia.

but whether they go through a doctor or not, they still end up in a pharmacy.

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Is ITB (indonesia) pharmacy degree recognize by other countries such as UK or Aus beside Malaysia???
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Must we take A-level or stpm before persuing pharmacy? Or can we study foundation in science? Any uni provide foundation in this course in malaysia? Thanx.
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Must we take A-level or stpm before persuing pharmacy? Or can we study foundation in science? Any uni provide foundation in this course in malaysia? Thanx.
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UCSI,mahsa college wil start frm foundation course...


i hope i can go 2 a better uni like IMU o better...so i thk i wil tk A level 1st,but its tk longer time jz like f6 lo... unsure.gif
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@coogie

you will have to check with the "board of pharmacy" of respective country. most of the country doesnt call it board of pharmacy though.

@Rainbow_star

the only Uni/ college that provide their own foundation for pharmacy is AIMST. there might be others but i only know AIMST has that.

@ying hui

since when mahsa college offer pharmacy? they might have Diploma in Pharmacy but i dont think anyone would want to go for that.

UCSI offering foundation course for pharmacy? since when?
the only 3 qualification they accept for pharmacy STPM, A lev, and UEC. others all under case-by-case basis. they even accept government matriculation in my year (case-by-case basis).

i do know UCSI give priority to their A level students.

if you want a shorter time of duration, go for SAM. you will have to work harder in your first semester in order to catch up with others. so, it is either you spend longer time in pre-u or more effort in first semester.
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I'm the of the last batch of old syllabus A-levels student in UCSI. For your information, UCSI doesn't offers foundation programme for pharmacy course. The Foundation in Science programme in UCSI only allows you to apply for Biotechnology and Food Science courses.
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when the 3years of serving goverment,how they gonna pay ur salary? if i choose a hospital near to my town which is not so big compare to those big hospital in kl , will this affect my pay? or it is still the same for every or any hospital u work dont care is big or small cool2.gif ?
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Is ITB (indonesia) pharmacy degree recognize by other countries such as UK or Aus beside Malaysia???
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i dont think so. but you can come and work in UK, provided you are pharmacist registered in recognised countries with 3 years experience, come to uk, do the overseas pharmacist conversion course, do a year of pre-reg and sit for the exam, pass it and then you can practice as register as pharmacist in uk.

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when the 3years of serving goverment,how they gonna pay ur salary? if i choose a hospital near to my town which is not so big compare to those big hospital in kl , will this affect my pay? or it is still the same for every or any hospital u work dont care is big or small cool2.gif ?
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civil service takes a total of 4 years, 1 year of provisional pharmacist and 3 years of registered pharmacist.

the salary would be the same for the course of 4 years wherever you are placed in. but, you will get 1000 extra per month if you are west malaysian working in east malaysia, and you can get OT allowance, call-out allowances etc after your provisional first year.
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Hi. I'm finishing my A-level. I can say that my biology is very strong, but not chemistry, though I still manage to get A for AS level. I've already applied to IMU MPharm 2+2 program. May I know normally what are the requirements of their conditional offer for MPharm? I'm not confident to get A for my chemistry, maybe math also. Do I still stand a chance to enter the course with result ABB? icon_question.gif
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Hi. I'm finishing my A-level. I can say that my biology is very strong, but not chemistry, though I still manage to get A for AS level. I've already applied to IMU MPharm 2+2 program. May I know normally what are the requirements of their conditional offer for MPharm? I'm not confident to get A for my chemistry, maybe math also. Do I still stand a chance to enter the course with result ABB? icon_question.gif
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I applied with my final SAM results last time...basically just fulfill their Chemistry requirements.

I checked their WEBSITE and for A Levels you would need BBB. I doubt getting ABB will up your chance of getting into the course. Just fulfill the requirements and you're through.

Do note that you will need either MUET band 4 or IELTS band 6.5.

Based on personal experience, I applied last minute (just one week before course commencement) with my real SAM results (chemistry A, Physics B, no Biology), without IELTS and I got a conditional offer. They allowed me to do my IELTS anytime in the middle of the course.

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Hi. I'm finishing my A-level. I can say that my biology is very strong, but not chemistry, though I still manage to get A for AS level. I've already applied to IMU MPharm 2+2 program. May I know normally what are the requirements of their conditional offer for MPharm? I'm not confident to get A for my chemistry, maybe math also. Do I still stand a chance to enter the course with result ABB? icon_question.gif
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you will do fine with ABB.

but my advise, if cost doesnt really differ much / never an issue for you, I would suggest you to consider Notts 2+2 too.
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QUOTE(el8155 @ May 19 2009, 04:50 AM)
when the 3years of serving goverment,how they gonna pay ur salary? if i choose a hospital near to my town which is not so big compare to those big hospital in kl , will this affect my pay? or it is still the same for every or any hospital u work dont care is big or small cool2.gif ?
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the salary plus allowance is close to 4k ... if u go for big hospital like kl.. slight difference in ur salary as in u get slightly higher allowance if work in big city... which it's about 100-150 difference.. however, u are not suppose to choose, as SPA wil decide where u will work. so u can't choose after all...
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Hi! Thank you for your replies, guys! notworthy.gif

If I'm not mistaken, students need both ielts and muet to enter the IMU MPharm course, right?

Well, as I personally don't think the cost between IMU and Nott differs much, so I guess the cost is not a matter to me. I'll most probably return to Msia after graduating and the reason for me to choose a twinning program is to gain studying experience in overseas. Besides, IMU is very near my house, just about 10 minutes driving distance away. On the other hand, Notts which is in Semenyih is more than half an hour away from my place, provided there's no traffic jam. But I heard Nott is way better than IMU, may I know how true is this?

By the way, I'll try to apply for Nott also to keep my options open.
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i think you will need both ielts and muet to get in the mpharm unless you get band 6 for must and they might consider exempt you from the ielts . i think the decision lies with the people in charge such as head of school

nott has a bigger campus and better facilities (i think) than IMU. IMU will be so crowded with so many new pharm prog going on along with the twinning one.

if you cant get in the 2+2, it is better for you to go for nott
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@wyatt615

i think you will need both ielts and muet to get in the mpharm unless you get band 6 for must and they might consider exempt you from the ielts . i think the decision lies with the people in charge such as head of school

nott has a bigger campus and better facilities (i think) than IMU. IMU will be so crowded with so many new pharm prog going on along with the twinning one.

if you cant get in the 2+2, it is better for you to go for nott
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Well, the problem is Nott needs A for chemistry. My friend got a conditional offer from nott and the condition is he has to get at least AAB for A-level and one of the A must be from chemistry. I don't really think I can get A for my chemistry as I kinda screwed up my Paper 4 yesterday sweat.gif And I didn't really do well in one of the papers for math. So, I don't think I can meet the requirement for Nott. Hehe... so, if I'm lucky enough to meet meet the requirement when the actual result comes out in this august, then I'll choose Nott instead. I'll apply for nott right after my exam is over.
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Well, the problem is Nott needs A for chemistry. My friend got a conditional offer from nott and the condition is he has to get at least AAB for A-level and one of the A must be from chemistry. I don't really think I can get A for my chemistry as I kinda screwed up my Paper 4 yesterday  sweat.gif  And I didn't really do well in one of the papers for math. So, I don't think I can meet the requirement for Nott. Hehe... so, if I'm lucky enough to meet meet the requirement when the actual result comes out in this august, then I'll choose Nott instead. I'll apply for nott right after my exam is over.
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dont worry just apply. though the conditional offer is AAB for your friend, it doesnt meant that if your friend doesnt get AAB, he will be rejected for sure.

if you get AAB, you are 100% admitted, that is the meaning of conditional offer.

the reason why I would recommend notts is because they have better experience in 2+2 MPharm program. They are fully accredited by the RPSGB. it is located in the england and more work/placement opportunities.

though, you are saying you are returning msia after graduation, but keep your option open, you would know what you might choose next. pharmacy profession is well reputable in uk if compare to msia, and also the money for working as community pharmacist in uk can be very tempting, also the responsibility as healthcare professional, which you wouldn't get in msia.
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dont worry just apply. though the conditional offer is AAB for your friend, it doesnt meant that if your friend doesnt get AAB, he will be rejected for sure.

if you get AAB, you are 100% admitted, that is the meaning of conditional offer.

the reason why I would recommend notts is because they have better experience in 2+2 MPharm program. They are fully accredited by the RPSGB. it is located in the england and more work/placement opportunities.

though, you are saying you are returning msia after graduation, but keep your option open, you would know what you might choose next. pharmacy profession is well reputable in uk if compare to msia, and also the money for working as community pharmacist in uk can be very tempting, also the responsibility as healthcare professional, which you wouldn't get in msia.
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@jerk

I just want to ask that is it possible for me to work in UK as pharmacist because the course I'm taking's bpharm not mpharm and how to get the "fully accredited by the RPSGB"??
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i think you wrongly quote my nick instead of youngkies. i suppose you did their pharmacist conversion course and you are allowed to register as a pharmacist if you pass their exam?

@wyatt615

with my STPM results of most B+ i was asked by their counselor to give it a shot as long as i perform during the interview and the letter of recommendation. i was far from their minimum requirement but the counselor ask me to try as she said i might just get it.

they have to print it that way in the brochure.

well, it doesnt hurt to at least try to apply.

partly your friend get a conditional offers is because he apply using trial result.
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I just want to ask that is it possible for me to work in UK as pharmacist because the course I'm taking's bpharm not mpharm and how to get the "fully accredited by the RPSGB"??
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3 years working experience as registered pharmacist in your country, then overseas conversion course @ sunderland uni, one year pre-reg + passing the exam = registration in uk.
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@seyuripa

i think you wrongly quote my nick instead of youngkies. i suppose you did their pharmacist conversion course and you are allowed to register as a pharmacist if you pass their exam?

@wyatt615

with my STPM results of most B+ i was asked by their counselor to give it a shot as long as i perform during the interview and the letter of recommendation. i was far from their minimum requirement but the counselor ask me to try as she said i might just get it.

they have to print it that way in the brochure.

well, it doesnt hurt to at least try to apply.

partly your friend get a conditional offers is because he apply using trial result.
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well, if I'm going to apply for Nott, I'll apply using my forecast/trial result also which is AAA, the same as my friend. The problem is I don't think I did well in the actual exam and I'm affraid I can't get the same result as my forecast at the end. So, if I receive a conditional offer and I can't meet the requirement, then does that mean I will be rejected immediately?
Since the actual result will only be coming out in August, should I wait until then or should I apply as soon as possible? I already have the reference letter from my college in hands.
Thank you.
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"So, if I receive a conditional offer and I can't meet the requirement, then does that mean I will be rejected immediately?"

i am afraid i dont have the answer as i am not involved in their selection process.

mb you can try to apply with your real result ASAP after it is release because they have a very strict and little quota for malaysian students. getting an offer before other students accepting theirs is important.

but we do need to remember not many can afford the fees though

i think they still have vacant place this time last year. (judging from my experience)
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well, if I'm going to apply for Nott, I'll apply using my forecast/trial result also which is AAA, the same as my friend. The problem is I don't think I did well in the actual exam and I'm affraid I can't get the same result as my forecast at the end. So, if I receive a conditional offer and I can't meet the requirement, then does that mean I will be rejected immediately?
Since the actual result will only be coming out in August, should I wait until then or should I apply as soon as possible? I already have the reference letter from my college in hands.
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no. conditional offer means that you will be 100% guaranteed a place when you have met their requirement/condition. but doesnt mean that you will 100% rejected if you have not met their condition.

many people has misunderstood the actual meaning of conditional offer, and thought, you will only be admitted if you met the requirement.

you should apply now, for sake of peace of mind, and notts 2+2 is really a good choice for pharmacy.
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Ok, thank you very much for your advice, guys! I think I know what to do next. thumbup.gif
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yeah, no worries. i was offered with AAB but still manage to get in to notts with ABB. they'll consider you as a near-miss student. however, because of that, instead of getting a bursary of 2000 pounds in your 3rd year at the UK campus, you'll only receive 1000 pounds.
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Hi, I found the course structure in the website of Nott is pretty brief. Anyone has a more detailed MPharm course structure for Nott? TQ smile.gif
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Do you need A-level bio for Nott pharmacy?, because i only want to take chemistry
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Do you need A-level bio for Nott pharmacy?, because i only want to take chemistry
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biology is not a requirement for pharmacy course. but i assure it is very useful, else you will have more difficulty catching up in your pharmacy course.
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Yeah...take it from me. I didn't do Bio at pre-u. I was lost for the first month of lessons or so.
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Do you need A-level bio for Nott pharmacy?, because i only want to take chemistry
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Well, for me, A lvl biology is very interesting. In fact, I like biology the most among the 3 subjects.

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i will forward this thread to my friends too rclxms.gif
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lets update the memberlist, see how many pharmacist, pharmacy student, prospective pharmacy student we have in here.

list your school too. i'll update the first page.
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i'm not a pharmicst/pharmacy student! dont count me in..
still form5 this year nod.gif
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lets update the memberlist, see how many pharmacist, pharmacy student, prospective pharmacy student we have in here.

list your school too. i'll update the first page.
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Agreed... thanks for the initiative, youngkies. smile.gif

My name is up in the list already, but just to get the ball rolling...

1. baoz - Monash, Sunway - 1st year undergrad.
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2. youngkies - Cardiff University - UK registered pharmacist. laugh.gif

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4. - wskyline - UCSI - 3rd year undergrad

pharmaceutics paper om 1 n half hours. wish me luck
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what's the difference between conditional offer and unconditional offer given by notts?

*sigh* getting confused after reading the thread xD
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what's the difference between conditional offer and unconditional offer given by notts?

*sigh* getting confused after reading the thread xD
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conditional offer means, if you have met the condition/their requirement, you will be accepted for sure. e.g. if the conditional offer is AAB, then if you get AAB, you are getting into admission for sure. if you did not get AAB, you might or might not be offered/confirmed a place.


unconditional offer, means whatever result you get, you have been reserved a place.
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I aspire to study Pharmacy at NUS.

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I aspire to study Pharmacy at NUS.

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I suppose it's due to the difficulty getting into NUS.

I've friends with 4 A's at A Levels and a TER of 97.9 for SAM who couldn't get into NUS Pharmacy.

NUS - one of the top unis in this region.
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I suppose it's due to the difficulty getting into NUS.

I've friends with 4 A's at A Levels and a TER of 97.9 for SAM who couldn't get into NUS Pharmacy.

NUS - one of the top unis in this region.
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well there are other options which are as good, as long as you dont mind paying.

for pharmacy course, experience full responsibilities of being a pharmacist, by doing it in a country where separation of dispensing is in placed.
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QUOTE(youngkies @ Jun 13 2009, 08:45 PM)
well there are other options which are as good, as long as you dont mind paying.

for pharmacy course, experience full responsibilities of being a pharmacist, by doing it in a country where separation of dispensing is in placed.
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i guess you did not get youngkies point.

the key is separation of dispensing and prescribing.

malaysia and singapore pharmacy degree doesnt really make any difference unless you are going to take up postgraduate. at least that is how i look at it.

unless singapore is willing to offer you scholarship or a loan then it is different.

anyway, the main thing for you is doing well in pre-U. scholarship for undergraduate level are hard to come by
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May I know (roughly), how much is the pay for fresh Pharmacy graduates in Government hospitals?
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May I know (roughly), how much is the pay for fresh Pharmacy graduates in Government hospitals?
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when u grad u'll become Provisionally Registered Pharmacists (PRP) for a year.
its around RM 3500+ dat time
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1000 extra per month if are west malaysian doing your service in east malaysia.

it is about 3800 gross atm.
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I went to the government polyclinic and a private hospital few days ago, and I found out that there is a Pharmacy section in both places.

So, I was wondering if the separation of prescribing and dispensing rights is practised, or it's just another way to ensure efficiency in delivering services. Any clue?
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one way to know for sure is just look at private clinic. the one where your parents bring you there when you have flu and fever.

do you still get the medicine from the doctor's clinic? if the answer is yes, doctors are still prescribing and dispensing.

another way is to look at the community pharmacy. look around and see if anyone is waiting for their medicine with a prescription. if the answer is no, doctors are still prescribing and dispensing.
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heyyy im bak...haha..thanks to those hu answered my questionssss biggrin.gif

gonna start uni nx month..excitedd..still hoping i made the rite decision goin 4 bpharm instead of mpharm becoz........i hate long journeys.LOL tongue.gif (yes i no i am the weirdest person ever. tongue.gif )

any1 else goin 4 pharmacy @ IMU? tongue.gif
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I went to the government polyclinic and a private hospital few days ago, and I found out that there is a Pharmacy section in both places.

So, I was wondering if the separation of prescribing and dispensing rights is practised, or it's just another way to ensure efficiency in delivering services. Any clue?
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it is common to have pharmacy in hospital. and yes in hospital, dispensing and prescribing is usually clearly separated. doctor to prescribe and pharmacy to dispense it.

but in community, dispensing separation doesnt apply. and what you can see in those clinics is not pharmacy, instead is a dispensary. a pharmacy is where a pharmacist is present, but not in dispensary, where your medication can be dispense by a form 5 leaver, according to a doctor prescription.
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is it good to do pharmacy in Institut Teknologi Bandung?
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you should ask the one who suggested Institut Teknologi Bandung but I think as long as you can come back and work in malaysia it would be enough.

there are people telling that it is the best in SEA or smth close to that.
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is it good to do pharmacy in Institut Teknologi Bandung?
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Not so sure about that though....there're many other options besides study in Indonesia,you might want to reconsider.
The reason you're asking about it??From what I know,the date of application for ITB has alrdy over and one of my friends who're going there told me that the offer letter will be offered soon.
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oh cos i went to edu fair and ITB is one of them and i cant seem to find the application closing date, so im just asking around.since its cheap and i heard it good also. it would be good if someone can give me some info.
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heyyy im bak...haha..thanks to those hu answered my questionssss biggrin.gif

gonna start uni nx month..excitedd..still hoping i made the rite decision goin 4 bpharm instead of mpharm becoz........i hate long journeys.LOL tongue.gif (yes i no i am the weirdest person ever. tongue.gif )

any1 else goin 4 pharmacy @ IMU? tongue.gif
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What is the main difference between Mpharm offered by Notts and IMU?
What is needed to enable one to work as a pharmacist in UK?
What do you mean by pre-registration training?
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Does anyone know UM Pharmacy 1st sem study more on what ?
Coz i need to prepare which reference book should be taken go~
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What is needed to enable one to work as a pharmacist in UK?
What do you mean by pre-registration training?
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Notts MPharm 2+2 is fully accredited by the RPSGB in UK.

hence their graduates are allowed to train as pre-reg in UK.

pre-registration training, as its name suggest, pre-reg pharmacist trainee. every graduates of MPharm degree from fully accredited uni by RPSGB, is required to do 52 weeks of pre-registration training with hospital, community pharmacy or industrial, to sit and pass for the pre-reg exam, to fully fulfil the competences and signed off by your tutor, before anyone is allowed to register as a pharmacist in UK.

so as for pharmacist from outside UK?EU, no matter how many years of experience they have as pharmacist in their home country, when they come to UK to work as pharmacist, they still have to work as pre-reg from start.
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Between pharmacy and other science based courses like biotech r biochem, which do employers prefer to dabble in research works?

cos from what i know, pharm has more diversed and flexible jobs than a biochem degree holders, pharm can either go to reseach or be a pharmacist selling and dispensing medicines and drugs.but not the vice versa.

Is it true?

Pls,biochem has more flexible job fields or pharmacy??
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Between pharmacy and other science based courses like biotech r biochem, which do employers prefer to dabble in research works?

cos from what i know, pharm has more diversed and flexible jobs than a biochem degree holders, pharm can either go to reseach or be a pharmacist selling and dispensing medicines and drugs.but not the vice versa.

Is it true?

Pls,biochem has more flexible job fields or pharmacy??
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Yes, pharmacy definitely has a broader job range as compared to science courses. A pharmacist can do what a biochem person does, but not vice versa.

However, looking specifically into R&D, I don't know if employers prefer biochemists over pharmacists. After all, biochemists can be more specialised in what they do than pharmacists in a particular research field.

In terms of job stability, becoming a pharmacist would be better. Unless you are very sure that you want to be in R&D for the rest of your career.

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i dont know what UM prog touch on but it is safe to assume that biology ( the one to do with humans) , organic and physical chemistry are the most common subjects for first semester.

i dont particularly encourage people to buy any books until all the lectures has started. some books are not worth buying because you wouldnt need it often. i do not find having any pre-U books helpful though. you will learn more in depth in most of the topics.

so, you may bring some of your most favourite books but they wouldnt help much.

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Between pharmacy and other science based courses like biotech r biochem, which do employers prefer to dabble in research works?

cos from what i know, pharm has more diversed and flexible jobs than a biochem degree holders, pharm can either go to reseach or be a pharmacist selling and dispensing medicines and drugs.but not the vice versa.

Is it true?

Pls,biochem has more flexible job fields or pharmacy??
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it is simple, what do you want to do in future?

if you want to be involved in medication more specifically, go for pharmacy.

if you want to do anything related to biology, human, plants, animals, earth etc etc, go for biochem/biotech. the downside of bio related field, is the amount of graduates being chunked out every year, wider scope = less specialities and quantities over qualities.
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how about segi college 2+2 master of pharmacy? is under university of sunderland.. why it dont need any requirement to enroll?
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how about segi college 2+2 master of pharmacy? is under university of sunderland.. why it dont need any requirement to enroll?
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they are under provisional accreditation from rpsgb at this time.
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argh..cant decide between imu and notts's mpharm. Both are highly similar,mayb except the costs.

Advice pls...T.T
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anyone knows how much is the total tuition fees for the pharmacy course in IMU credit transfer with uni.of otago ?
I called to the IMU office but the counselor also unsure for the tuition fee...
Anyone knows ?
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argh..cant decide between imu and notts's mpharm. Both are highly similar,mayb except the costs.

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Notts is one of the top Pharmacy schools in UK. I would think that it's a better option.

@wesleylee:
There isn't any arrangement between IMU with U.Otago. If you want to do a credit transfer to Otago, you are subject to the university's terms and they would have to look at your course units on a case-per-case basis. It would be more appropraite to email U.Otago instead of IMU.

Not all universities accept credit transfer especially for courses like medicine, pharmacy and dentistry.
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IMU actually did have arrangement. i saw it the other day before the change the whole website. Otago and another Uni i think apart from the University of Strathclyde and bpharm prog. that is why i have a feeling that IMU campus is going to be very crowded.

http://www.imu.edu.my/about_news.asp?pagei...rowsenewsid=152

what i like about the new side is this FAQ


Q2: I understand that the BPharm has not received LAN accreditation. Am I therefore taking a big risk by enrolling.

Accreditation is an exercise in which LAN determines whether the course is being run to the specifications indicated in the University’s application for approval to run it. LAN Accreditation cannot therefore occur until the first intake of students has undertaken a good proportion of the course, so that a meaningful comparison can be made between planning and implementation. The University is due to submit accreditation documents before the first intake of students is due to graduate, and LAN will conduct the accreditation exercise then.

The University has confidence that accreditation will be received as it is has a proven record in the delivery of pharmacy undergraduate education, and is committed to high standards. This is reflected in the fact that in 2002 the MPharm programme was accredited for the maximum period allowed by LAN- 5 years. The delivery of the BPharm will draw upon the experience and expertise gained by the Pharmacy School since its inception in 1995. The prospective student can therefore take confidence in the University’s track record.

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visit both campus and you will choose nott over IMU anytime.
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anyone knows how much is the total tuition fees for the pharmacy course in IMU credit transfer with uni.of otago ?
I called to the IMU office but the counselor also unsure for the tuition fee...
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i called them up too,and u no wut the woman said?
i think better u do the local one... whistling.gif whistling.gif
geez man how hard is it to answer an ez question? sweat.gif
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i did stpm bt my grades dont qualify me to enter pharm..bt im keen to do pharm..so i haf decided to do foundation in segi..
the prob is tat im nt sure of the quality of teaching ter..ny1 doing/did their foundation ter?
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argh..cant decide between imu and notts's mpharm. Both are highly similar,mayb except the costs.

Advice pls...T.T
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I would always recommend Notts at all time, due to it full accreditation in UK.
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how cheap is the foundation there? would take at least a year right?

i would suggest you go for SAM instead. keep ur options open just in case you wouldnt want to end up at segi. there are better pharmacy prog out there.

there are even express A level offered in sunway, 1 year course. i would suggest that as well anytime over foundation
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Oops, my apologies. I haven't updated myself as well as this thread. Thanks a lot for the info. I'll update the first post by this week since it's my semester break now. smile.gif
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how cheap is the foundation there? would take at least a year right?

i would suggest you go for SAM instead. keep ur options open just in case you wouldnt want to end up at segi. there are better pharmacy prog out there.

there are even express A level offered in sunway, 1 year course. i would suggest that as well anytime over foundation
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preety cheap(11+)..cheapest by far otha ten aimst..icpu/alevel/sam(20+)..otha private ins. can burn a hole inda pocket sweat.gif
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thanks...imu's mpharm not fully accredited?how come? >_< a bit out of topic here...
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just be sure that you want to end up in segi k. you cant run to elsewhere after the foundation

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no prob. you're welcome. we are here trying to help others to make the best decision.
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Hi everyone!

Just wondering, for Pharmacy is it better to study at AIMST or UCSI? I've already applied to UCSI but am now considering AIMST as well coz (surprise surprise) AIMST fees for Pharmacy is cheaper. But I've also heard that places are limited for AIMST Pharm course, etc. Is it wise to still apply?

Fyi I sat for STPM and my result is 3A for P.Am, Bio, Chem, 2B+ for Maths T and Physics. Hope that I'm not being too obnoxious or anything... at this time of the year still no place to study, and UPU didnt get oso the course I wanted (I applied for Pharmacy doh.gif cz thought could get with my 3.84 pointer, hishhhh) ... so am very worried right now =]

Also, regarding a pre-reg in UK issue discussed earlier in the thread.. is it possible for Malaysian grads and pharmacists to be allowed to be a pre-reg pharmacist there as well? I mean, after the 4 years total bond to the government it should be enough experience (min 3 yrs working experience right?) to try for pre-reg. Or do Malaysians generally have 'less chance', to be frank?
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Hi everyone!

Just wondering, for Pharmacy is it better to study at AIMST or UCSI? I've already applied to UCSI but am now considering AIMST as well coz (surprise surprise) AIMST fees for Pharmacy is cheaper. But I've also heard that places are limited for AIMST Pharm course, etc. Is it wise to still apply?

Fyi I sat for STPM and my result is 3A for P.Am, Bio, Chem, 2B+ for Maths T and Physics. Hope that I'm not being too obnoxious or anything... at this time of the year still no place to study, and UPU didnt get oso the course I wanted (I applied for Pharmacy  doh.gif cz thought could get with my 3.84 pointer, hishhhh) ... so am very worried right now =]

Also, regarding a pre-reg in UK issue discussed earlier in the thread.. is it possible for Malaysian grads and pharmacists to be allowed to be a pre-reg pharmacist there as well? I mean, after the 4 years total bond to the government it should be enough experience (min 3 yrs working experience right?) to try for pre-reg. Or do Malaysians generally have 'less chance', to be frank?
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if you have 3 years working experience in your home country or country that recognise your degree, you can apply for a pre-reg position in UK. BUT, as usual, strict conditions applies to employing overseas worker, also the limited places for pre-reg every year.

plus, pharmacist profession is going to be removed from the shortage occupation list soon. so overseas pharmacist stand lesser and lesser chance.
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erm.. just be aware that aimst is only going to offer you in september. so, my advice is, if you get ucsi, dont bother apply for aimst and waste another rm 100. yes, fees might be cheaper but what if they didnt offer you during september?

you have no where to go at that time unless you can afford those twinning with uk as their intake is december.

however, it is unlikely aimst is not going to offer you though. many students will pick those july intake so aimst would offer just anyone to fill up their quota.

if money if your main concern and you dont mind taking the risk waiting for another year just in case aimst didnt offer you a place, then go ahead.

p/s:your result is good enough to apply just any pharmacy prog out there even those direct entry to overseas.
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@youngkies - Yeah, those were my thoughts exactly! Tsk tsk jealous of all the EU students. ASEAN should practise the EU's policies, where EU citizens get special rates at member countries' unis, higher priority in jobs etc., ASEAN's most visible effort even is just the ASEAN scholarship, where all the smart students rebut for place. It's time for ASEAN countries to move in the EU direction, unite in economic and politico-cultural front. Sorry for the unrelated rant. tongue.gif

@jerk - The thing is UCSI still didn't get back to me about my application, even after the test and interview... and school starts this Thursday summore! cry.gif Maybe I didn't pass the test as my chemistry knowledge was ady karat then.. sweat.gif Direct entry into foreign pharmacy schools? I only know that for UK must go through UCAS, Germany have to go through uni-assist, other than that I have no idea... but money is big prob... if I have the money I will fly to UK and study in London School of Pharmacy. The end. icon_rolleyes.gif But do you have any suggestions as to any 'affordable', direct-entry pharm schools in EU that offer substantial financial aid as well? Really counting on that hehe... maybe I missed some while doing my homework. But leh IELTS requirement is really ma fan, dah lah so expensive and really seem bleh since I ady got *cough* Band 6 for MUET whistling.gif tongue.gif
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it is weird that ucsi didnt get back to you. after all, you have the result and they want your money.

just give them a call, no time to waste because the intake is just days away. normally if you fail the test, they would call you for another attempt.

even the cheapest direct entry out there would surely cost more than UCSI. and just like youngkies put it, studying oversea on a tight budget is not a fun thing to do and working while studying is not easy either.

i think the best way is to hunt for a postgraduate scholarship next time. i am not a bright student and thus, i am not that aware of scholarships.

some will accept your MUET as i get only band 5 and they accepted me without me taking ielts. some even look at the 1119 paper during spm.

if ucsi didnt offer you, it is still not too late to apply aimst.
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@jerk - Yup, I'm fully aware of that... Have been looking up down left right for affordable alternatives overseas but seriously no luck. Have to make do with Malaysia then. Even if I get accepted I can't afford it anyways. cry.gif Though Germany is an attractive option, considering their degree programs only cost RM2500 - RM3000 per sem, but most courses especially critical ones like medic and pharmacy requires intermediate level command of German, plus need to sit for TestAS or whatever it's called (but there are some that don't need you to know German and lots of courses nowadays conducted fully in English, which is a good thing). Anyone who wants to know these stuff just ask me... considered expert at this ady lol. About postgrad for pharmacy, seems a bit bleh isn't it since if you study for MPharm courses in UK it's practically like repeating your Bachelor degree program. If wanna do postgrad with scholarships better to go into courses with high research potential like Biochem, Biomedic, Biology, Chemistry or Physics or Computer Science, right? Unfortunately the only sane places to do these courses are with public uni, and UPU didn't even offer me any of those. Grrr. mad.gif
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hmm.. they offered me microbiology at ukm i think and i didnt even have 3.5 but of course i did put that as 1 of my choices. i just dont want them to "lelong" me.

just give ucsi a call. with ptptn, it is still quite affordable i would say

Added on June 30, 2009, 2:30 amdid you try NUS?

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i still thinking wan apply ucsi or not...i still in dilemma.. if i go ucsi i need to loan from bank because 80k is not enough... I look through masterskill is about 83k only but is a new program.. I no need to ask my parent to go bank loan for me if i study masterskill..But ucsi is better.. how? cry.gif

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decision is yours. ict at penang also a not bad alternative because of the usm degree.

cost of living at cheras area ucsi could be quite high, around rm800 including rent etc.

anyway, ucsi pharmacy orientation is days away, you better make up your mind soon. you will have a hard time catching up once they started teaching
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@el8155

decision is yours. ict at penang also a not bad alternative because of the usm degree.

cost of living at cheras area ucsi could be quite high, around rm800 including rent etc.

anyway, ucsi pharmacy orientation is days away, you better make up your mind soon. you will have a hard time catching up once they started teaching
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Good question! Lol. The truth is I didn't, coz I didn't think with such 'lousy' grades (i.e. with B+ grades) I must possess some kind of dumb luck to be accepted into NUS Pharmacy course. Anyhow, a bit freaked at having to serve Singapore government for 5 years in exchange for their sponsorship as now the economic condition there isn't too good, right? And ASEAN scholarship lagi la hard to get. That's why I didn't try. I hate it when people keep asking me, 'Why didn't you try Singapore??' Singapore is a country, not food... sweat.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(goodfella_rocka @ Jun 30 2009, 03:34 AM)
Good question! Lol. The truth is I didn't, coz I didn't think with such 'lousy' grades (i.e. with B+ grades) I must possess some kind of dumb luck to be accepted into NUS Pharmacy course. Anyhow, a bit freaked at having to serve Singapore government for 5 years in exchange for their sponsorship as now the economic condition there isn't too good, right? And ASEAN scholarship lagi la hard to get. That's why I didn't try. I hate it when people keep asking me, 'Why didn't you try Singapore??' Singapore is a country, not food...  sweat.gif  tongue.gif
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@el8155 - Ya I applied... but they haven't got back to me about whether I got accepted or not.. unsure.gif Gotta call them tomorrow man... class starts on Thursday! Haihz... if UCSI tak jadi then have to mati2 go into AIMST lo... if that wan oso tak dapat, I just go back to my job right now and wait for next year's round of intakes... doh.gif

Or wait... maybe Masterskill lo.... hmm.gif But dunno how good it is. Is the program only in its first year?
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QUOTE(goodfella_rocka @ Jun 30 2009, 03:50 AM)
@el8155 - Ya I applied... but they haven't got back to me about whether I got accepted or not..  unsure.gif Gotta call them tomorrow man... class starts on Thursday! Haihz... if UCSI tak jadi then have to mati2 go into AIMST lo... if that wan oso tak dapat, I just go back to my job right now and wait for next year's round of intakes...  doh.gif

Or wait... maybe Masterskill lo....  hmm.gif  But dunno how good it is. Is the program only in its first year?
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if this year go in masterskill, will be second batch..is quite new lo for masterskill.. why wont get ucsi? ur result for stpm is quite good..

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@el8155 - In a way, it would be quite fun to be in a relatively new program huh? Get to share 'glory' stories with future students, just like what the AIMST seniors are doing now, haha. But Masterskill I heard the administration not so good... haiyo dunno la, every uni oso lidat wan mah... About UCSI - who knows tak dapat... haih... unsure.gif

What about you? What's your predicament?

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i just chat with my friend who is in charge or the ucsi pharmacy orientation. it seems only 35 people on the confirm list.

should be plenty of vacant place still. as long as you have the grades and money, you should be able to get in.

@goodfella_rocka

bonded 5 years in exchange for good education is not a bad choice. i wouldnt say it is a better country but at least they try and keep the talent there.
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bonded 5 years in exchange for good education is not a bad choice. i wouldnt say it is a better country but at least they try and keep the talent there.
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Yup I agree.... but it's just too much of a risk.. there's the huge question of whether can get into NUS/NTU for Pharmacy or not. The other science subjects that are plausible such as Chemistry, Biology, Biochem etc. are more research-related. So if you want to continue to Masters, you can't coz you're legally bound to serve to Singaporean government? Or have to defer it till you finish your term? And I heard you gotta find your own job... the Singaporeans ain't gonna find for you (which is NOT such a bad thing actually). Where are you studying now anyway, jerk?
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@el8155 - In a way, it would be quite fun to be in a relatively new program huh? Get to share 'glory' stories with future students, just like what the AIMST seniors are doing now, haha. But Masterskill I heard the administration not so good... haiyo dunno la, every uni oso lidat wan mah... About UCSI - who knows tak dapat... haih...  unsure.gif

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i maybe going to apply for ucsi,why u said masterskill administration is not so good, masterskill with collabration la trobe australia, is not in the pharmacy of board so abit worry.. Aimst i heard my frn said quite hard to get.. far for me.. ha.. haih haih too

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i just chat with my friend who is in charge or the ucsi pharmacy orientation. it seems only 35 people on the confirm list.

should be plenty of vacant place still. as long as you have the grades and money, you should be able to get in.

@goodfella_rocka

bonded 5 years in exchange for good education is not a bad choice. i wouldnt say it is a better country but at least they try and keep the talent there.
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@el8155 - Not to say administration no good... I heard like they've got some kind of internal conflict there... students also don't really like the way they run the college, something like that. Haven't heard of La Trobe before heheh tongue.gif Ooo if we both go UCSI hehe we can meet up o... ^^ Discuss with your parents kaw kaw...
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first post, memberlist.

as long as i can make a decent living and provide my children with good education next time, i am satisfied. i even considered accountancy.

if i am going to serve as a academician then only i would take up postgraduate. i am good being just a pharmacist.

@el8155

eventually, every pharmacy prog would be accredited. imagine someone invested so much money in setting up a school of pharmacy, sure they will comply with the rules. worst come to worst, there are still the 'boleh' way.

i dont think aimst is hard to get. well, at least they tried to convince me and other friends to go there last year
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@el8155 - Not to say administration no good... I heard like they've got some kind of internal conflict there... students also don't really like the way they run the college, something like that. Haven't heard of La Trobe before heheh tongue.gif Ooo if we both go UCSI hehe we can meet up o... ^^  Discuss with your parents kaw kaw...
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haha.. okok ucsi try.. if not ucsi then how? meet where? biggrin.gif

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first post, memberlist.

as long as i can make a decent living and provide my children with good education next time, i am satisfied. i even considered accountancy.

if i am going to serve as a academician then only i would take up postgraduate. i am good being just a pharmacist.

@el8155

eventually, every pharmacy prog would be accredited. imagine someone invested so much money in setting up a school of pharmacy, sure they will comply with the rules. worst come to worst, there are still the 'boleh' way.

i dont think aimst is hard to get. well, at least they tried to convince me and other friends to go there last year
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ya limeuu told me this b4.. but still risky lo.. anyway i wan ask will employer see which U cert u took or they just see your experience? My friend suggest me to go ucsi eventhough if masterskill will be accrediated because ucsi degree more competitive and they have more experience

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a little of both? anyway, it doesnt really matter that much, after all you still have to serve the government for 3 years after the pupillage year.

maybe they will look at your cert for your first job but experience would be a more important factor after that.
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@jerk - Really. I called AIMST today to ask if I could still apply for the intake and they just told me, 'Sorry, no places left.' And hung up on me. WTH? Haha. I guess it's my fault too for applying too late.

@el8155 - We see how le in a few days' time... brows.gif It's a very crucial time for us all! So are you going to apply to UCSI?
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@jerk - Really. I called AIMST today to ask if I could still apply for the intake and they just told me, 'Sorry, no places left.' And hung up on me. WTH? Haha. I guess it's my fault too for applying too late.

@el8155 - We see how le in a few days' time...  brows.gif  It's a very crucial time for us all! So are you going to apply to UCSI?
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donno.. maybe not going to apply.. woh aimst so fast no place.. i dont think so lo.. maybe they wan keep for their foundation student..
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donno.. maybe not going to apply.. woh aimst so fast no place.. i dont think so lo.. maybe they wan keep for their foundation student..
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i dont buy their story that there are no places left. even ucsi fail to fill up all the places. unless, they dont accept new application aka deadline for sept intake anymore.

any news from ucsi?
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@goodfella_rocka

i dont buy their story that there are no places left. even ucsi fail to fill up all the places. unless, they dont accept new application aka deadline for sept intake anymore.

any news from ucsi?
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You saying aimst? They only have 50 places and will be reserved for foundation serious
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You saying aimst? They only have 50 places and will be reserved for foundation serious
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last year end of august they called my mobile number to offer me pharmacy and my friend medicine.

guess this year their foundation batch is bigger.
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Or maybe 'coz their foundation students suddenly jumped on the Pharmacy bandwagon... XD

Anyways I'm going to UCSI! I hope the Pharmacy course is good there... any honest opinions about it? XD Although it's too late to ask for consensus now? Haha... I like the labs though. =)
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last year end of august they called my mobile number to offer me pharmacy and my friend medicine.

guess this year their foundation batch is bigger.
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Or maybe 'coz their foundation students suddenly jumped on the Pharmacy bandwagon... XD

Anyways I'm going to UCSI! I hope the Pharmacy course is good there... any honest opinions about it? XD Although it's too late to ask for consensus now? Haha... I like the labs though. =)
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first batch is out, i am great i am one of them.. ahem... smile.gif with the initial 60 ++ students, left with 36 graduate peacefully ... so what say u ? good or bad ?

for me it is good. rclxms.gif thumbup.gif
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honest opinion : the course will train, shape, and forced u into a good pharmacist. but before u became one, u may need to undergo sum terrible process such as endless reports, long n boring lecture, quizzes.. exams.. etc.. and certain killer subjects can kill up to half of the class each time... 

first batch is out, i am great i am one of them.. ahem... smile.gif with the initial 60 ++ students, left with 36 graduate peacefully ... so what  say u ? good or bad ?

for me it is good.  rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif
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graduating as pharmacy student is just an end for the new more terrible processes and experiences of being a pharmacist. biggrin.gif
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are you going to make it to their orientation? it is important in my opinion

Added on July 2, 2009, 4:42 amokay.. saw your reply on the other thread

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QUOTE(cynthia_tss @ Jul 2 2009, 03:01 AM)
honest opinion : the course will train, shape, and forced u into a good pharmacist. but before u became one, u may need to undergo sum terrible process such as endless reports, long n boring lecture, quizzes.. exams.. etc.. and certain killer subjects can kill up to half of the class each time... 

first batch is out, i am great i am one of them.. ahem... smile.gif with the initial 60 ++ students, left with 36 graduate peacefully ... so what  say u ? good or bad ?

for me it is good.  rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif
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Okay that's scary for me.

Just finished my first semester. Subjects are heavy but not hectic. Second semester is set to be worse. cry.gif

All I ask for is to pass every semester and graduate in 4 years. No more, no less.
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honest opinion : the course will train, shape, and forced u into a good pharmacist. but before u became one, u may need to undergo sum terrible process such as endless reports, long n boring lecture, quizzes.. exams.. etc.. and certain killer subjects can kill up to half of the class each time... 

first batch is out, i am great i am one of them.. ahem... smile.gif with the initial 60 ++ students, left with 36 graduate peacefully ... so what  say u ? good or bad ?

for me it is good.  rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif
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baoz is rite ler... Sounds terrifying! But am glad to hear that you're a graduate! =D 36 out of 60 is a bit scary though... dunno if i can make it there too! How many batches of pharmacy students have graduated ady? Employability is equal with grads from other uni right.. Hehe.. Overall how's the study environment like..? I want a taster! Hehehe... Oh ya and how's work as a pharmacist now?
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What does it mean by failing? Does it mean not getting more than 40/100 for a paper ? Or not performing well on practical work? .Aspiring pharmacy undergraduate here
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baoz is rite ler... Sounds terrifying! But am glad to hear that you're a graduate! =D 36 out of 60 is a bit scary though... dunno if i can make it there too! How many batches of pharmacy students have graduated ady? Employability is equal with grads from other uni right.. Hehe.. Overall how's the study environment like..? I want a taster! Hehehe... Oh ya and how's work as a pharmacist now?
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She's the first batch dude

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What does it mean by failing? Does it mean not getting more than 40/100 for a paper ? Or not performing well on practical work? .Aspiring pharmacy undergraduate here
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Monash passing mark is 50 also.

I don't know what's their policy for failing a unit and stuff yet... but there'll be a briefing on it soon when our results are released. I'll update you guys about if if you're interested to do Pharmacy at Monash. smile.gif

We have 43 students at the moment. Next intake (Feb 2010) will be increased to 60.
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i plan2 tk pharmacy in NUs,but it is very difficult rite?
i am doin my A level now,i not yet decide whether i nid to tk 3sub o 4subjects...pls give some comment as soon...i nid to do course selection now...
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ying hui : I think it is quite difficult but you still stand a chance. NUS usually gives priority to STPM applicants (for M'sian applicants)who take 5 subjects for this critical course. However, exception happens.

Pls correct me if i'm wrong. smile.gif
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yes you're correct....you must be very exceptional to get into pharmacy in NUS for a malaysian IIRC you must take an arts subject to qualify for it.....dunno where i heard that
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some information bout pharmacy.
perhaps by reading this , u will get the big picture bout this profession
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http://www.prn2.usm.my/mainsite/bulletin/k...97/kosmik9.html
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@Alexcruz - Yep, you're basically right. My friend who did STPM and scored 5A's, 4.00 CGPA got the seat for NUS Pharmacy... Gila pandai.. Haha..

Actually right now, though I already attended UCSI's pharm orientation, IMU told me dat I still hv a place in Bpharm with them... So I need urgent and fast advice... Should I go to IMU or stay in UCSI? Though IMU more expensive my dad said he can handle it... I can't make up my mind... How now??? shocking.gif
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I think you should go over to IMU
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@Alexcruz - Yep, you're basically right. My friend who did STPM and scored 5A's, 4.00 CGPA got the seat for NUS Pharmacy... Gila pandai.. Haha..

Actually right now, though I already attended UCSI's pharm orientation, IMU told me dat I still hv a place in Bpharm with them... So I need urgent and fast advice... Should I go to IMU or stay in UCSI? Though IMU more expensive my dad said he can handle it... I can't make up my mind... How now??? shocking.gif
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ic...maybe i saw u be4,cz i juz attend my A level orientation in ucsi tis week...
wat my fren told me 2day is,pharmacy course in IMU din recognise by singapore...she said it is really happen now...

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ying hui : I think it is quite difficult but you still stand a chance. NUS usually gives priority to STPM applicants (for M'sian applicants)who take 5 subjects for this critical course. However, exception happens.

Pls correct me if i'm wrong. smile.gif
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which phar course? Bpharm or Mpharm?
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ic...maybe i saw u be4,cz i juz attend my A level orientation in ucsi tis week...
wat my fren told me 2day is,pharmacy course in IMU din recognise by singapore...she said it is really happen now...

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anyone going to hict which is under usm degree?
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I NEED BREAK................

ok enough of complaining..

(p/s this is related to pharmacy discussion)
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3rd year (this coming semester) KICT Pharmacy undergraduates here = )
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@youngkies - Lol, don't we all? Are you studying or working anyway?

@Dely - Ah cool! We have one senior from KICT! How is life over there as pharmacy student there? How is the campus, lecturers, facilities and everything? biggrin.gif

Anyway I think I'm gonna stay at UCSI. Should I crash and burn I will ask to change course to biotech or food science.


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3rd year (this coming semester)  KICT Pharmacy undergraduates here = )
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@youngkies - Lol, don't we all? Are you studying or working anyway?

@Dely - Ah cool! We have one senior from KICT! How is life over there as pharmacy student there? How is the campus, lecturers, facilities and everything? biggrin.gif

Anyway I think I'm gonna stay at UCSI. Should I crash and burn I will ask to change course to biotech or food science.
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why u wan change to food science? like abit waste le.. give me ur place la.. ha

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take four. maths, chemistry, biology and one other choice. we even pinned the information in the first post. just try to avoid thinking skill.

you dont get to choose where to do pharmacy. they are the one choosing you.

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mpharm if you can afford and have the result. if not, bpharm will do.

@goodfella_rocka

hope you enjoyed your orientation

Added on July 4, 2009, 8:33 pm@el8155

as long as you have the money and result, you too can get in without compromising other people place

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thanks a lot jerk.. sorry tat i din make it clear of wat i wanted to ask.. actually i wanted to ask regarding ying hui's Q about the recognition in sg .. which course tat is not recognise in sg? Bpharm or Mpharm?
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Bpharm which is offered by IMU itself definitely won't get recognition as the only local pharmacy course currently being recognise is from USM. For Mpharm I'm not sure then again most countries seldom recognise foreign pharmacy courses to prevent a huge foreign influx of pharmacist.....some sort of a protecting the local
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can you please make a thread for medicine too? because i know less about it.
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we already have plenty out there. refer CALLING ALL MEDICAL STUDENTS! thread if you want.

http://forum.lowyat.net/lofiversion/index.php/t416477.html

@white_black

use google and search for the respective authority in charge of registration of pharmacist. if you plan to work there next time, it is never too early to know what are the steps needed to be a registered pharmacist.

besides, Darkmage12 already give you a rough idea
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Hi all. There's an article in NST's Learning Curve today (5th July) about IMU's BPharm having credit transfer to Uni of Queensland, Australia (2+2).

I'm working on finding the article online to post it up here. IMU's website hasn't been updated.

UQ is a good university to go to. The only issue is on accreditation and recognition... yet to announce more about that.

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@baoz - LOL Speaking of Uni of Queensland... UCSI also got credit transfer there liao but I only read that it's for MSc and BSc in Biotech, BSc Food Science. Uni Q wanna dip their hands into as many Malaysian IPTS as possible?? LOL.

@jerk - Yeah I kinda enjoyed it! Although first day was zzzz... Don't be so harsh on el8155 lol I'm sure he/she was just joking. nod.gif I know you're not a real jerk at heart! Heheh.

@el8155 - It's still not too late to apply. Class doesn't start till Tuesday, and we're all ready to help you if you come in a bit late. Just don't come in one month later - tiada maaf bagimu! LOL. brows.gif

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@baoz - LOL Speaking of Uni of Queensland... UCSI also got credit transfer there liao but I only read that it's for MSc and BSc in Biotech, BSc Food Science. Uni Q wanna dip their hands into as many Malaysian IPTS as possible?? LOL.

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I don't think they dare set up a local campus after UNSW went bust in Singapore. So the least they can do is to have tie-ups.

They've got twinning with Taylor's for BioMed Science too. And credit transfer option with HELP's Economics and Commerce degree programs.

Unfortunately for UQ eventhough it's in the Go8 and the best economics school in Aus, it's not a popular choice among students. I don't know why. My batch from SAM all only aimed to enter Uni of Melbourne, UNSW or Uni of Sydney. I was the odd one out who wanted to go to UQ or Monash for Pharmacy.

Still, there aren't many unis in Austalia that offer Pharmacy. Closest to home we have Monash. Now that Queensland is gonna tie up with IMU, it should benefit the locals who can't afford for the full course overseas.

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hmm.. if that is true, probably ucsi will have a hard time competing with IMU bpharm unless their pharmacy courses is accredited.

pharmacy courses has been blooming like mushroom. how i wish i was born like 2 years later and i get to choose from so many institution.

@goodfella_rocka

nah, my message is, IPTA , yes it is hard to get in pharmacy courses.
for IPTS, as long as you have the money and results, there is no problem securing a place. just look at the number of pharmacy courses in malaysia compared to 2 years ago



one thing about australia pharmacy courses, it is kind of state dependent.
if you graduate from western australia and wish to practice in other place like south australia, it would be harder because the laws and rules are a little different.
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@youngkies - Lol, don't we all? Are you studying or working anyway?

@Dely - Ah cool! We have one senior from KICT! How is life over there as pharmacy student there? How is the campus, lecturers, facilities and everything? biggrin.gif

Anyway I think I'm gonna stay at UCSI. Should I crash and burn I will ask to change course to biotech or food science.
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@youngkies - You are officially my hero! LOL I plan to get my Pharmacy degree (if all goes well and my brain cells stick with me), do the government service then try the pre-reg in the UK... anything I call you ok? LOL.. How do you secure a place with the pre-reg anyway? Do you get placed with a community pharmacy anywhere they like? Or do you have to get the job first as a provisionally-licensed pharmacist then you apply for the pre-reg? Help us out here if you can! icon_rolleyes.gif
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@youngkies - You are officially my hero! LOL I plan to get my Pharmacy degree (if all goes well and my brain cells stick with me), do the government service then try the pre-reg in the UK... anything I call you ok? LOL.. How do you secure a place with the pre-reg anyway? Do you get placed with a community pharmacy anywhere they like? Or do you have to get the job first as a provisionally-licensed pharmacist then you apply for the pre-reg? Help us out here if you can! icon_rolleyes.gif
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ya, do ask / PM me if you have any query.

government service in msia you mean? if you are fully qualified pharmacist in uk, you can skip the provisional year in msia, but you have the pass the provisional pharmacist exam in msia, to skip the prp year.

pre-reg places application starts in august before the students start their final year. So most students can get pre-reg places offered even way before they graduated.

location is based on availability. of course spaces in good cities are more competitive compared to places where no one want to go. you can choose, but you will not be guaranteed based on your first choice, it depends on your competences.
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honest opinion : the course will train, shape, and forced u into a good pharmacist. but before u became one, u may need to undergo sum terrible process such as endless reports, long n boring lecture, quizzes.. exams.. etc.. and certain killer subjects can kill up to half of the class each time... 

first batch is out, i am great i am one of them.. ahem... smile.gif with the initial 60 ++ students, left with 36 graduate peacefully ... so what  say u ? good or bad ?

for me it is good.  rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif
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Cynthia..may i know how is the course of pharmacy?is it like physics  and maths which require a lot of twist and turn ...or like biology requires a lot of memorising work? How to ensure we can score?and what is the main reason the students will fail?Is it because they lazy to memorize or they r not good in twist and turn the knowledge? I can be very hardworking..i m juz afraid that the success depends on talent ..which means even i am hardworking..but i cannot be guaranteed to score juz because i am not smart enough to turn like in maths and physics..can u pls reply me as soon as possible?thank you very much..
   currently i am planning to take the foundation in mahsa or masterskill..i did my stpm already..but my chemistry doesnt meet their minimum requirement..mahsa and masterskill ask me to take foundation in their college...mahsa and masterskill ...which one is better in pharmacy degree?masterskill already have their 4+0 la trobe degree...now is the second year..although they said the syllabus and books are from la trobe..but i think the lecturers are the same people who r teaching the pharmacy diploma students in masterskill ...so..r the lecturers qualified enough to teach the degree students?then about the mahsa..they said they will have pharmacy degree starting this september...they said if i want..i have to take foundation ..same as the masterskilll....but they r u not in colloboration with any other foreign universtiy like masterskill...and i think they also use the lecturers teaching diploma in mahsa themselves..so..i really confused now..can u pls teach me how to do now? thank you very much..pls reply me as soon as possible..they already start their foundation course now.. icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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my frn who also very like pharmacy alot but didnt meet the requirement.. he got C in chem for stpm.. every U and college rejected him but only segi master in pharmacy accept him.. just go there if u got money..

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Cynthia..may i know how is the course of pharmacy?is it like physics  and maths which require a lot of twist and turn ...or like biology requires a lot of memorising work? How to ensure we can score?and what is the main reason the students will fail?Is it because they lazy to memorize or they r not good in twist and turn the knowledge? I can be very hardworking..i m juz afraid that the success depends on talent ..which means even i am hardworking..but i cannot be guaranteed to score juz because i am not smart enough to turn like in maths and physics..can u pls reply me as soon as possible?thank you very much..
  currently i am planning to take the foundation in mahsa or masterskill..i did my stpm already..but my chemistry doesnt meet their minimum requirement..mahsa and masterskill ask me to take foundation in their college...mahsa and masterskill ...which one is better in pharmacy degree?masterskill already have their 4+0 la trobe degree...now is the second year..although they said the syllabus and books are from la trobe..but i think the lecturers are the same people who r teaching the pharmacy diploma students in masterskill ...so..r the lecturers qualified enough to teach the degree students?then about the mahsa..they said they will have pharmacy degree starting this september...they said if i want..i have to take foundation ..same as the masterskilll....but they r u not in colloboration with any other foreign universtiy like masterskill...and i think they also use the lecturers teaching diploma in mahsa themselves..so..i really confused now..can u pls teach me how to do now? thank you very much..pls reply me as soon as possible..they already start their foundation course now.. icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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it is more to biology. it ain't a really easy course too. plenty of coursework, writing, reading, assignments, lab work etc etc.

though it varies between schools too.


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@el8155 - Eh she took STPM ady la... why would she want to take A-Levels again, which is so inferior to STPM flex.gif Better for rockmylife89 to take foundation in AIMST and continue Pharmacy there, or take UCSI's foundation in Science is oso ok I think... hmm.gif Or she can join you in Masterskill lo.. hahaha

@youngkies - So that means, after I complete my provisional year and (if) I pass the provisional exam to become fully registered pharmacist in Malaysia, then after I serve another 3 years as a fully registered pharmacist, then if I apply for pre-reg, I am allowed to skip the pre-reg year and straight do the pre-reg exam? Or can I apply for pre-reg straight in my 3rd or final year of studies, but do the pre-reg year then followed by the pre-reg exam? In this case since UCSI is far from being on RGSGB's recognition list I think it's not applicable... hehe... Sorry if I muddled things up! doh.gif
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@rockmylife89

if you can afford, go for SAM or express A level.

if not, you dont really have much choice other than masterskill

Added on July 6, 2009, 12:16 amthe reason is simple, because she didnt meet the minimum requirement. UCSI foundation is not accepted. after all, foundation or A level they still took a year. so it doesnt matter if financial is not a limiting factor.

el8155 is suggesting that rockmylife89 go inquire about Segi.

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@jerk - Whoops, I think I let my reply page stand too long... hence miss out some key developments. My bad... tongue.gif SAM is also and ok option, if, like you said, finance is not a limiting factor. Segi is quite ok also. I say go for it.
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it surprises me now to realise that there are so many pharmacy schools to choose from. I still remember a few years ago when I was choosing which uni to go to, and didn't have that many options.

while it is good that more students are interested in this field and are able to choose and enter into the increasing number of pharmacy schools available, the sudden bloom in the number of pharmacy schools is bothering when the quality is concerned.. especially since pharmacy is such a critical course..

hopefully the quality is at least assured, prior to the introduction of this course in those unis..
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@el8155 - Eh she took STPM ady la... why would she want to take A-Levels again, which is so inferior to STPM flex.gif Better for rockmylife89 to take foundation in AIMST and continue Pharmacy there, or take UCSI's foundation in Science is oso ok I think...  hmm.gif  Or she can join you in Masterskill lo.. hahaha

@youngkies - So that means, after I complete my provisional year and (if) I pass the provisional exam to become fully registered pharmacist in Malaysia, then after I serve another 3 years as a fully registered pharmacist, then if I apply for pre-reg, I am allowed to skip the pre-reg year and straight do the pre-reg exam? Or can I apply for pre-reg straight in my 3rd or final year of studies, but do the pre-reg year then followed by the pre-reg exam? In this case since UCSI is far from being on RGSGB's recognition list I think it's not applicable... hehe... Sorry if I muddled things up!  doh.gif
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what i mean is that you can skip Msia PRP year if you are UK registered pharmacist, but not vice-versa. after all, there is no term as provisional pharmacist in UK too.

nope, unless your uni is fully accredited by rpgsb in UK.
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Cynthia..may i know how is the course of pharmacy?is it like physics  and maths which require a lot of twist and turn ...or like biology requires a lot of memorising work? How to ensure we can score?and what is the main reason the students will fail?Is it because they lazy to memorize or they r not good in twist and turn the knowledge? I can be very hardworking..i m juz afraid that the success depends on talent ..which means even i am hardworking..but i cannot be guaranteed to score juz because i am not smart enough to turn like in maths and physics..can u pls reply me as soon as possible?thank you very much..
  currently i am planning to take the foundation in mahsa or masterskill..i did my stpm already..but my chemistry doesnt meet their minimum requirement..mahsa and masterskill ask me to take foundation in their college...mahsa and masterskill ...which one is better in pharmacy degree?masterskill already have their 4+0 la trobe degree...now is the second year..although they said the syllabus and books are from la trobe..but i think the lecturers are the same people who r teaching the pharmacy diploma students in masterskill ...so..r the lecturers qualified enough to teach the degree students?then about the mahsa..they said they will have pharmacy degree starting this september...they said if i want..i have to take foundation ..same as the masterskilll....but they r u not in colloboration with any other foreign universtiy like masterskill...and i think they also use the lecturers teaching diploma in mahsa themselves..so..i really confused now..can u pls teach me how to do now? thank you very much..pls reply me as soon as possible..they already start their foundation course now.. icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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hmm... it is a mixture i would say.. not purely chem or bio. or maths.. u learn thing like physiology , sumthing related to biology, medicinal chemistry, related to chem, and pharmacology.... u need some maths for subjects like dispensing n compounding n biostatistic, pharmacokinetic. u hav subjects other than bio or chem, or maths.. u know things like management, communication skill, clinical pharmacy, pharmaconosy, etc..

so, it is more than chem or bio... but u can find chem n bio within the course.. n sum maths as well..

i remember what my head of school of pharm told me, to graduate, u need 3 things,

1st, u must have interest and desire to be a pharmacist,
secondly u must have determination and not to give up
and lastly u must work hard to achieve ur goal.

therefore i think work hard alone is not enough, u need to have determination and desire plus interest.

i am not sure abt mahsa n the lecturers there... in my school, all lecturers need to have phd... or at least master in clinical pharmacy ..

u ask if the lecturers are qualified to teach pharm degree students, i think u should check back the lecturers profile through ur uni record office or any related department.

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@youngkies - Thanks for clearing that up! biggrin.gif

This might sound juvenile but... what kind of calculator is suitable for the course? I heard that we're not allowed to use calculator... That can't be true right? Ahehe..he...?
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This might sound juvenile but... what kind of calculator is suitable for the course? I heard that we're not allowed to use calculator... That can't be true right? Ahehe..he...?
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Just a regular scientific calculator that you use in secondary school.

You'll still be doing basic calculations; log and ln.

No graphing calculators allowed, though.
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if no calculator is allowed, i bet i would fail immediately.

ucsi no graphic calculator allowed but my current Uni allows student 1 scientific 1 graphic calculator.

casio 350 or 570 will do fine.
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In UK, for certain exams/tests/modules (i.e. dispensing, compouding calculations), calculator is prohibited.
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speaking of compounding, how often do we use aliquots calculations in real life compounding?

most of the time we are forced to use aliquots in compounding lab because they ask to compound only 30ml or other small amount.
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speaking of compounding, how often do we use aliquots calculations in real life compounding?

most of the time we are forced to use aliquots in compounding lab because they ask to compound only 30ml or other small amount.
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aliquots are ued when the active ingredients or the ingredients used are less than the minimal weighable quantity right?
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yea..the minimum amount allowed in my Uni is 100mg or 2ml/0.2ml (depending on the viscosity of the liquid for the later case).
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speaking of compounding, how often do we use aliquots calculations in real life compounding?

most of the time we are forced to use aliquots in compounding lab because they ask to compound only 30ml or other small amount.
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i have not compounded anything since i left uni. tongue.gif, not to mention aliquots calculations/dilution.

any prescription for extemp, just place order via specials, they will make anything you want.


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Wah sei... I've barely started the course and I'm already jittery from all the advanced scientific terms sweat.gif Can I just fast-forward the whole degree program and become a pharmacist straight away... yeah!! Hahaha
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Wah sei... I've barely started the course and I'm already jittery from all the advanced scientific terms sweat.gif Can I just fast-forward the whole degree program and become a pharmacist straight away... yeah!! Hahaha
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It just sounds scary but it's not that bad...

Hmm. Aliquots. Haven't touched that. Maybe 2nd sem.

So far in 1st sem Monash all they ask us to do is prepare extemporaneous and non-extemporaneous drugs. Plus calculations here and there that we have yet to practice..
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i knew it.. haha. it is not that important in real life.

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which charles? Charles Sturt University? Charles Darwin University? or the one in Prague Charles University ?
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Ya ya... Charles University in Prague.. Haha.. sorry for not being specific..
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why are you considering going over there? you have a relative there?

i dont even know much about Czech Republic.
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one thing for sure, language barrier/issue.

i have met a few pharmacists from czech republic in UK, came over as EU pharmacist, for one reason, money and job satisfaction.
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Not relative, but my dad's friend.. He owned a restaurant over there and he recommended me this Uni saying that the course there is OK.. but, I still wish to get some guidance from you guys which I consider you all as 'professionals'/ our seniors in pharmacy course..

youngkies --

So is it good or bad to apply for pharmacy course over there? Does UK recognised the degree over czech?
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language would be a issue. as a girl, i dont think you will enjoy your studies there being away from all your family and friends.

do you just want to experience overseas? sure there are better choices out there
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i wouldn't recommend it either.

language issue.
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Hi, URGENT! I got the offers from both Nottingham and IMU. The offer from IMU is the a 2+2 credit transfer programme to university of queensland, australia. This is a very new programme, in fact, it is just being approved last week. I was used to dreaming about going to UQ, but there was no such programme last time. After some time, I was determined to go for Nottingham, especially after I got the conditional offer. But now, the IMU-UQ arrangement is very tempting. Should I change my mind and go for IMU-UQ or just stick to Nottingham? To be honest, I prefer to go to Australia instead of UK, but somehow, I don't like the idea of being the first batch student. There're only 2 girls who have already confirmed to enrol into this credit transfer programme. The website of IMU doesn't show anything about this arrangement yet, but it is being advertised in the newspaper. IMU told me to give a reply to them the latest by this coming Friday since the course will start on the next Monday. Can anyone give me some suggestions? Tq. icon_question.gif
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well go for instinct then.

if instinct telling you it is fine despite being first batch, then go for it. as simple as that.

where do you want to work in the future? back to msia, Aus or UK?
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Hi, URGENT! I got the offers from both Nottingham and IMU. The offer from IMU is the a 2+2 credit transfer programme to university of queensland, australia. This is a very new programme, in fact, it is just being approved last week. I was used to dreaming about going to UQ, but there was no such programme last time. After some time, I was determined to go for Nottingham, especially after I got the conditional offer. But now, the IMU-UQ arrangement is very tempting. Should I change my mind and go for IMU-UQ or just stick to Nottingham? To be honest, I prefer to go to Australia instead of UK, but somehow, I don't like the idea of being the first batch student. There're only 2 girls who have already confirmed to enrol into this credit transfer programme. The website of IMU doesn't show anything about this arrangement yet, but it is being advertised in the newspaper. IMU told me to give a reply to them the latest by this coming Friday since the course will start on the next Monday. Can anyone give me some suggestions? Tq.  icon_question.gif
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By the way, what is the student intake for IMU-UQ?
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i think you would prefer the two years you are going to spend in nottingham malaysia campus compare to IMU but since you prefer UQ, this is going to be a tough decision. it all comes down to where you want to practice as a pharmacist next time.

@mint080709

majority of those who possess AAA would definitely go for medicine. are you sure it is AAA?
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majority of those who possess AAA would definitely go for medicine. are you sure it is AAA?
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are you saying all pharmacy students are rejects who can't get into medicine?........

i am sure there are people who did well and choose to do courses they like rather than courses they qualify for.........
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@wyatt615

i think you would prefer the two years you are going to spend in nottingham malaysia campus compare to IMU but since you prefer UQ, this is going to be a tough decision. it all comes down to where you want to practice as a pharmacist next time.
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bare in mind that in the UK, recently, pharmacists are no longer in shortage, so it would be even more difficult now or in the coming years, for international students to have an opportunity to work there..

you can read up more about it here: link
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are you saying all pharmacy students are rejects who can't get into medicine?........

i am sure there are people who did well and choose to do courses they like rather than courses they qualify for.........
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quite a few of my coursemates end up doing pharmacy because they cant get into medicine with their results. there are always a small number of students doing that considering pharmacy and medicine are quite related to each other (to them).

i do agree that some would go for courses they like rather than they qualify for.
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@wyatt615

i think you would prefer the two years you are going to spend in nottingham malaysia campus compare to IMU but since you prefer UQ, this is going to be a tough decision. it all comes down to where you want to practice as a pharmacist next time.

@mint080709

majority of those who possess AAA would definitely go for medicine. are you sure it is AAA?
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i'm very sure. that's what it say in the conditional offer I've got. or are they trying to make money from me?

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are you saying all pharmacy students are rejects who can't get into medicine?........

i am sure there are people who did well and choose to do courses they like rather than courses they qualify for.........
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no. i've actually got an offer to do med. but i change my mind..

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Popping in again to ask if you guys know of any website links to credible and trusted pharmacy or pharmaceutical-related online journals... Thanks!
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/

http://content.nejm.org/

http://www.pharmacy.org/journal.html
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Hi, thank you, guys! I think I'll just stick to Nottingham. rclxms.gif
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Popping in again to ask if you guys know of any website links to credible and trusted pharmacy or pharmaceutical-related online journals... Thanks!
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what kind of journal you are looking for?

there are tonnes of it.

Added on July 9, 2009, 8:13 pm
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bare in mind that in the UK, recently, pharmacists are no longer in shortage, so it would be even more difficult now or in the coming years, for international students to have an opportunity to work there..

you can read up more about it here: link
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yes sadly, it has been the removed but awaiting review again.

but it should be alright, despite the profession has been removed from shortage list, but we all know, the profession is still at shortage.

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I know it's a tedious question, but I'm asking this on behalf on my friend.

What's the difference(again) between a BPharm and a MPharm?
Does MPharm produce Master qualification Pharmacist?

Sorry, I seem to be finding a lot of different answers, so.

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QUOTE(ShaneNg @ Jul 9 2009, 08:28 PM)
I know it's a tedious question, but I'm asking this on behalf on my friend.

What's the difference(again) between a BPharm and a MPharm?
Does MPharm produce Master qualification Pharmacist?

Sorry, I seem to be finding a lot of different answers, so.

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read the first page.

MPharm is replacement degree for BPharm in UK since years ago. Since it was reclassified as MPharm in UK, they throw in some learning skills at master level too. so in the end, it is still a master degree.
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But my friend enquired local IMU BPharm, and being acknowledged that BPharm and MPharm are the same.

Or it's differs according to countries?

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But my friend enquired local IMU BPharm, and being acknowledged that BPharm and MPharm are the same.

Or it's differs according to countries?

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BPharm and MPharm are the same if you are in Malaysia. MPharm is treated as BPharm.

But what you'll learn during the course is what differentiate you between a bachelor degree holder and a master degree holder. After all, in UK, MPharm is treated no different from any Master degree, as you are taught in Master level in your final year.


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the twinning is still new and a lot of details are not disclosed to public yet. so i guess what they tell you is what you get.

@goodfella_rocka

try searching for it using the library service or ask the librarian. the library might subscribe to a few services/ provider like ProQuest or BMJ or JAMA.
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So, in UK, it's accredited as a Master's degree anywhere except malaysia?

How about a graduate from Australia Universities?
Or, in short, only Malaysia doesnt apply the Master qualification?

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So, in UK, it's accredited as a Master's degree anywhere except malaysia?

How about a graduate from Australia Universities?
Or, in short, only Malaysia doesnt apply the Master qualification?

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not really.

in malaysia, it is still a master degree.

but people assume they are the same as BPharm because of the duration of study. and it is treated no different from BPharm in term of starting a job. you still have to go through 4 years of civil service.

like i said many times, the main difference would be the experiences being taught in Master level or just Degree level.
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it doesnt really make sense that people want to come back to malaysia after they get their degree.

imagine spending two or even four years out there, probably you are used to the lifestyle there as well especially when pharmacists are more appreciated in their healthcare system.

in really simple words, if you can afford to go for mpharm then by all mean go for it. if not, a bpharm will do.

most people do try to stay oversea after they graduated you dont get to decide whether you get to stay or not. mpharm might be a better option too if you are thinking of doing postgraduate.
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@cynthia_tss and jerk - Okies thanks lots for the direction! biggrin.gif In the library there is currently only 3 copies of the Pharmacists/Pharmaceutical Journal.. doh.gif You'd think that with such a huge batch of pharmacy students every intake they'd take the pains to order more copies. But yeah I'll refer to the librarians about it... thanks!

@youngkies - I'm interested in the research stuff... but I hate it when the articles read: so-and-so drug MAY help to combat so-and-so disease. I say if it's just MAY, then don't put it up la... buat suspense only tongue.gif but then I think it's not in my place to judge... as a working and qualified pharmacist what do you think?
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QUOTE(goodfella_rocka @ Jul 11 2009, 11:07 AM)
@cynthia_tss and jerk - Okies thanks lots for the direction! biggrin.gif In the library there is currently only 3 copies of the Pharmacists/Pharmaceutical Journal.. doh.gif  You'd think that with such a huge batch of pharmacy students every intake they'd take the pains to order more copies. But yeah I'll refer to the librarians about it... thanks!

@youngkies - I'm interested in the research stuff... but I hate it when the articles read: so-and-so drug MAY help to combat so-and-so disease. I say if it's just MAY, then don't put it up la... buat suspense only tongue.gif but then I think it's not in my place to judge... as a working and qualified pharmacist what do you think?
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it is simple, you wouldn't want to promise someone that this MIRACLE drug will cure him/her for sure, but ended up killing the patient because of it side-effects/narrow therapeutic index or whatsoever that the patient die because of something else/natural cause, and their family comes back to you with all the blame and legal actions.

medicines / healthcare professional, you are dealing with people life. in the end of the day, just make sure your back is covered. despite what benefits you have tried for the patient, they MAY come back and back-fire at you if something goes wrong.

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@youngkies - I understand that. But what I'm saying is that if the drug is not proven to be 100% effective in curing a symptom or a disease, then I say don't put it up. They may be laymen like me who read it and think that oh maybe I should give it a shot. But then I understand that they publish it as 'MAY' to let people know that so-and-so research is going on...
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@youngkies - I understand that. But what I'm saying is that if the drug is not proven to be 100% effective in curing a symptom or a disease, then I say don't put it up. They may be laymen like me who read it and think that oh maybe I should give it a shot. But then I understand that they publish it as 'MAY' to let people know that so-and-so research is going on...
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there is no 100% effective drug in this world. and all of it come with side-effects too.

research give us hopes, and hope keep us going. if no one put the possibility up, no one will know about it, no one will take note of it, no one will carry on doing research on it, no one will discover something else that can be beneficial, and hence nothing is made.

give it a shot, it is not always up to the patient to decide. it is up to the professionals known as doctor. doctor is the one that weigh between risk and benefits.
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normally, you can get more journals online because let say ucsi library subscribe to A provider, A actually provides access to multiple journals at a time related to pharmaceutical or chemistry or those just being general.

the reality is, imagine spending billions come out with a new drug.. but the new drug is not relatively superior compare to the exist one but you still have to get some of your investment back right. sometimes, it is not that "simple" as well.

a few articles do highlight the issue of false positive in screening for breast cancer (BMJ back in february) or even prostate cancer. back in march, news of big pharma company merging is the big news in most of the drugs journals recently. Pfizer’s takeover of Wyeth and, Merck proposes to acquire Schering-Plough. Lack of R&D productivity and patent expirations are the reason of these mega-acquisition. Pfizer and Merck are trying to make up for their loss of exclusivity and to refill their pipeline. some even say new drugs are harder and harder to develop nowadays.

just refer to the links below.

http://pharmacygod.blogspot.com/2009/05/i-...ge-medical.html
http://drugmonkey.blogspot.com/2009/06/pha...e-than-one.html

of course i have read more than those but i just couldnt remember where exactly because i do read a lot.

it is hard to find someone like you already into reading journals. trust me, none of my friends are into reading those.
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@youngkies and jerk - I see I see.... Well the pharmaceutical industry is always developing and is super competitive these days. With technology getting more advanced, there's always hope for discovery of new stuff, though the way I see it, there's been some kind of drug or treatment (though not all promises 100% cure of course) for virtually all illnesses except for some like AIDS and cancer. But it's not to say impossible. That's why pharmacy appeals to me... there's the option of specialising in dispensing or continue on to drug research and development, though before you two slam me or anything I know that it's easier said than done, and drugs take ages to discover, develop and refine.
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the way i look at it, more and more drugs are being discovered and so there are less and less chance something new could be develop from. to put it in simple words, imagine you are going to try to come out with something using benzene but other people might have try all possible combination (though it is not possible) but that is the problem i think the industry is facing. some drugs are effective in treating or controlling the disease but they just have narrow therapeutic index or serious side effects make it unsuitable for commercial usage.

apart from new drugs, they need to be affordable as well and drug patent intend for the researchers to reap the profit after their hard works are making new drugs expensive and not available in developed countries.
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isnt pharmacy course in IMU din recognise by singpore gov?

pls reply me as soon

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isnt pharmacy course in IMU din recognise by singpore gov?

pls reply me as soon

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a lot of countries dont either. dont bother about it

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i heard community pharmacists were removed from the national shortage occupation list(uk).any latest info about it?
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i've no chance to study pharmacy. sad.gif
i'm 21 this year and i'm still stuck.
i don't know what i really2 want.
kinda interested in pharmacy but my 2005 spm result wont let me.
i got 7d for chemistry,biology,physics and i'm not good in maths tho.
yesterday i have feeling that if i go learn all these subjects,the chance is still there.
today i dont have confident at all. :[
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i got 7d for chemistry,biology,physics and i'm not good in maths tho.
yesterday i have feeling that if i go learn all these subjects,the chance is still there.
today i dont have confident at all. :[
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Have you considered doing Non-science related courses? You might excel there.

You are going to be having a LOT of trouble if you proceed into science-degree program (which include pharmacy).

...if you are really determined, you could try doing A-Levels in Science or take science stream STPM as a private candidate (cheaper, self study needed, further inquiries - go to the nearest District education office)...


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The MAC is reviewing medical occupations again in autumn 2009, and the Society says it can submit evidence in relation to pharmacists and argue for the reinstatement of other pharmacists, including community pharmacists and preregistration trainees, before the list is reviewed again in September 2009.

taken from : Community pharmacists no longer in shortage, says MAC
Wed, 17/06/2009 - 17:25


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where is your most important pre-U result? you didnt even mention a thing in your post.

Added on July 29, 2009, 2:06 pm@ youngkies

i would like to hear your view on the decision made by the pharmacist featured in the article.

http://www.jasonliew.com/2006/11/05/why-i-...st-in-malaysia/

Added on July 29, 2009, 2:08 pminformation about HELP-USM pharmacy program is out but i still couldnt find the total fees though. the only thing that catches my eye is "A pass in MUET with Band 3". is that even sufficient?

link - http://www.hict.edu.my/main.php?m=Content&op=page&id=372

Added on July 29, 2009, 2:10 pmInnovative collaboration to teach pharmacy in Malaysia

Cardiff University and Taylor’s University College at Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia have jointly committed to a long-term collaborative relationship to achieve a modern pharmacy undergraduate curriculum delivered at Taylor’s and a proportion of students from that programme coming to the Welsh School of Pharmacy from 2012 onwards. Those students undertaking the 2+2 arrangement (2 years in Kuala Lumpur and 2 years in Cardiff) will complete their studies to achieve the University of Cardiff Master of Pharmacy degree.

link - http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/phrmy/newsandeven...n-malaysia.html

are you kidding me. even cardiff and taylor want a piece of pharmacy now

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if it was me, i won't sell it either. in UK, pharmacist can only prescribe trimethoprim for UTI and azithromycin for chlamydia, under specific specification as pharmacy services.

it is up to the doctor to diagnose and prescribe treatment for most bacterial infections, including ear infections. pharmacist in UK are allowed to sell acetic acid ear drops for outer ear infection, but anything beyond that (inner/middle ear canal infection), hearing loss, pain etc, referral to doctor is necessary for full assessment/diagnosis. i believe, none of the pharmacy do have an otoscope anyway.

in regards to selling medicines she used before, it is not appropriate either. if anyone can self medicate themselves, what is the point for doctor to go the uni for 5 years and numerous years of gaining experience. everyone can just google up their symptoms and buy the medicine from the grocery. i'm afraid we are not in that golden age yet.

who get the blame if self medicate went wrong? who will held responsibility if resistant to antibiotic developed due to misuse, if everyone can just go and buy antibiotic of their own choice.

also, pill? lol, he doesn't even have an idea what is the difference between pill and tablet. i have never seen any antibiotic comes in pill form anymore.

and his talk about studying 4 years vs. doctor 5 years? it doesnt matter. it is the content of study that matters. engineering take 4 years in malaysia too, does that means engineering can do architecture works too?

so as owning a pharmacy doesnt means they are entrepreneur either. it is about how you bringing the business forward. i have seen owners of pharmacies that are not happy work in their own pharmacy for full time, just because they cant deal with the stress of managing the pharmacy, but also being money-minded for every seconds.

Added on July 30, 2009, 3:09 amno.. cardiff + taylor. its better be good then. else it is so going to drag down cardiff reputation. btw, cardiff, it is a really good place to study.

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yeah.. i believe cardiff is a good place for pharmacy but i am quite worried that the stiff competition among private Uni in malaysia trying to lure the limited number of students interested in taking up pharmacy would eventually cause the minimum requirement to be lowered.

nah.. about the 4 vs 5 years i know it is just a rant. after you analysis, i change my mind of selling the medication as well. we as pharmacists wanted to help but we have to abide by a lot of legal laws. that kind of put me off.
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@youngkies

yeah.. i believe cardiff is a good place for pharmacy but i am quite worried that the stiff competition among private Uni in malaysia trying to lure the limited number of students interested in taking up pharmacy would eventually cause the minimum requirement to be lowered.

nah.. about the 4 vs 5 years i know it is just a rant. after you analysis, i change my mind of selling the medication as well. we as pharmacists wanted to help but we have to abide by a lot of legal laws. that kind of put me off.
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well it is not always about legality in sales of medicine. I will not sell/give out any medicines if I am not happy with the transaction. I wont sell anything just because the customer/patient wanted it. I do it only when I am convinced that the thing I sold will bring benefit than something bad, used within the medicines licensed indication and intention.

e.g. some patient can come in and say they want co-codamol. upon some questioning, if I have doubt that he/she might not need it or probably abuse it or probably misuse it, I won't sell it, despite it is a so common stuff over the counter. Because if anything bad happened, next thing you know is, you will be questioned by plenty of authorities or get sued for negligence.

sales of medicines over the counter / dispensing, customer has no right for whatever they want, it is the pharmacist's right and judgement to hand out the medicine. the only thing to balance their right of obtaining a medicine, is pharmacist owes patient duty of care.

you wont learn this kind of ethical dilemma until you have really work as a pharmacist.

the same as dispensing, if you are not happy to dispense something according to doctor direction/prescription (inappropriate dose, interactions, S/E etc), you have the right to not dispense it too. if there is something wrong, and you failed to notice it or just dispense it because you thought doctor is always right, in the end, you share 50-50 liability with the prescribing doctor for negligence too.
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Hi, juz curious about the salary of a hospital pharmacist...
May I know how much is the maximum salary that can be earned by a hospital pharmacist per month? And is it possible for a pharmacist to get a salary of around RM10k per month before the age of 35?
Thank you.
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Segi College, Kota Damansara (WEBSITE)

Master of Pharmacy, 2 years local + 2 years at University of Sunderland, UK; September intake

Fees:
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RM68K(2 yrs LOCAL AT SEGi)+£6800 each yr at UK
*in UK tuition fees should b 8300 ound but giving a guaranteed scholarship for international student abount £1500 each yr
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guaranteed? are you taking mpharm there?


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10k is kind of a little high for a pharmacist back in malaysia but i not sure if that is possible
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Hi, juz curious about the salary of a hospital pharmacist...
May I know how much is the maximum salary that can be earned by a hospital pharmacist per month? And is it possible for a pharmacist to get a salary of around RM10k per month before the age of 35?
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gov hospital..........no

private hospital.......possible, if you get into management........which is unlikely at 35 y o
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gov hospital..........no

private hospital.......possible, if you get into management........which is unlikely at 35 y o
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Fully agreed that to get RM10K by 35 years is possible in the private sector provided you are capable to climb to the management level.
Remember a lot of office politics hindering your progress overtaking the senior staff.
The higher the pay the greater is the work pressure. Another alternative is open a pharmacy shop(s) and be a boss. You are answerable
to yourself for the growth of the company. nod.gif nod.gif
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i feel doubt to take d course at segi Mpharm
there is provisional accredited by Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain

i scrared when i graduate there is not accredited
so m i need to cumin back msia?

i noe dat Master of Pharmacy, 2.5 years local + 1 year at University of Strathclyde, Glasgow; This programme does not qualify registration with the Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain

dis is due to 3.5 yrs program

but nottingham is fully accredited
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and so try to get in the IMU 2+2 or nottingham. did you try?

which pre-U you took? seems like it is a little late to start applying only now
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and so try to get in the IMU 2+2 or nottingham. did you try?

which pre-U you took? seems like it is a little late to start applying only now
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No, it's still not late to apply for both the courses. In fact, Nott's School of Pharmacy will be having another open day on 21st of august.
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guaranteed? are you taking mpharm there?

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i think i will taking on dis yr
is guaranteed 1500 discount
i found out frm d website... for international student

the matter of accredited.. since 2012, when our new batch provided..there will b fully accredited..
notthingham juz provides new batch dis yr..so they received fully accredited..
for IMU,they hav 3.5 yrs course which is not accredited..but 4 yrs programme yes!

the reason y i chose is bcoz sunderland is d cheapest fees n affordable living cost..
may i noe how much is d basic salary for reg-pharmacist at uk n msia?
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first of all, it is a fairly new course for segi. new things are messy if you get what i mean.

secondly, there would be difference in terms of delivery of material or the support you will receive although they do use almost everything from sunderland.


if the difference in fees and living cost is not that huge or if your parents can afford to spend the extra money, i would still suggest you to go for nottingham program. little money doesnt hurt compare to their reputation
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@cutiesin

first of all, it is a fairly new course for segi. new things are messy if you get what i mean.

secondly, there would be difference in terms of delivery of material or the support you will receive although they do use almost everything from sunderland.
if the difference in fees and living cost is not that huge or if your parents can afford to spend the extra money, i would still suggest you to go for nottingham program. little money doesnt hurt compare to their reputation
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but d tuition fees at notthinham in uk is double expensiv than sunderland
everyhin has to cum frm new...even notthigham also juz provide one yr batch student wink.gif

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that is why i am asking for more details. look like pretty much you have decided.

if i stayed, i could be your senior. haha.
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Yeah, new courses tend to be messy. Even with Monash. The course units are not confirmed. It's not accredited in Malaysia (I think. Not sure about this really).

No scholarships. No PTPTN yet. Can't do twinning with Australia's campus.

You pay Rm40,000 per year for the name.

But facilities and quality of the lecturers are pretty good here in the Sunway campus so yeah.
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hehe..waiting for offer letter dis 2 weeks
goin to sept intake

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har?cant get ptptn>
segi told me 1st 2 yrs i can get 40k loan~in msia
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QUOTE(cutiesin @ Aug 13 2009, 07:59 PM)
but d tuition fees at notthinham in uk is double expensiv than sunderland
everyhin has to cum frm new...even notthigham also juz provide one yr batch student wink.gif
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You get what you paid for.

Boots' research (not sure whether it has been converted to some other operation) centre is in Nottingham and Biocity which has the most advanced and largest pharmaceutical industry is in Nottingham.

Sunderland? Pardon me, I can't recall any facts about pharmaceutical in Sunderland.

If your parents can afford it, my vote goes to Nottingham. Anytime better especially prospect wise.

Cheers.
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segi told me 1st 2 yrs i can get 40k loan~in msia
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This is what they meant about new courses being messy.
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I've already accepted the unconditional offer from uni of nottingham and succeed to get the 25% partial scholarship (high achiever scholarship).
However, the tuition fees still seem to be very expensive. Anyone know are there any available scholarships out there for pharmacy students?
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Just would like to pitch in my thoughts into all this since I am a final year student in the Mpharm programme at London Sch. of Pharmacy. Personally, I think it's tough but can also be easy, you just have to be versatile since "pharmacy" is not just about the drugs...you will probably learn about everything from manufacturing to communication skills as part of the syllabus which is great but it gets really confusing since it's not structured to perfection yet...there's a lot of stuff to learn in 4 years. I just completed my thesis! So just 1 more year to go until registration....Are there any registered pharmacists here? I would like to ask about the registration process...I have opted not to undertake the pre-reg in UK since I want to come back and help develop our pharmacists here one way or another...so planning to get over the 3 yrs compulsory as smooth as possible..lets put it that way! Anyway, congrats and goodluck to the future pharmacists! Get back to me if you have any info. on registration since I am not a 'normal' Malaysian.....
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no that i am aware of.


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just to clarify. what do mean by "it's not structured to perfection yet" ?

the London Sch. of Pharmacy recently changes their syllabus or you're referring to other thing?
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Our syllabus is broken into courses..so 1 year, there's 2 courses..what i meant was that they are still trying out few things..because if I compare the courses between this year and last year..it's not entirely the same..they are still like..adding or removing few things here and there...just small changes in order to make the subjects you learn sort of sync together if you get what i mean..
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i think it is a good practice to try to keep the subjects relevant etc except when they are "experiment" with your own batch.

on a side note, i think you are really patriotic if you get what i mean.
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Yeah, exactly...the good thing is that they do work closely with students..after the end of every course, we'd have to fill a feedback form just to tell them where you think they can improve..usually timing la..some courses, i feel like its really dense....so always worrying about time to study and there's coursework deadlines..haha, just requires some sort of multi-tasking..however, its no big deal..if you are consistent in your studies..you will pass with flying colors!

@jerk

patriotic? haha thanx..i'm just keen and motivated to come back and start my life! I've lived abroad for 12 years!! nod.gif so its' time to serve our country! icon_rolleyes.gif
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I`m planning to do degree in pharm too..
I`ve applied for several univrsities in Aust....had spent lots of $$ too >.<
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hello.is pharmacy involves human's anatomy?do the students have to anatomise the human body too?like wat medicine students have done?

Added on August 28, 2009, 7:50 pmhow much salary do the pharmacy graduates get when they started training at hospital?

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someone should just pin the pay at the first post.. since no one bother reading through whole thread.

Provisionally Registered Pharmacists (PRP) - around RM 3500.

@minshuen
of course we do study biology but not as detail as medic students.

@polaris91
didnt you wait for edu fair or smth? heard they waive the application fees
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@jerk: done updated 1st post.

@minshuen: we learn normal human physiology. not to the extent of anatomy as deep as the medics.
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thanks. i did some searching online trying to find some official proof that the amount is correct but i guess our moh doesnt think it is important.

however, SEGi claimed that it is about rm3000.

http://www.segi.edu.my/news/mpharm2+2.htm


Marcus however claimed that it is rm3700 to rm4000

http://myuc.blogspot.com/2009/03/pharmacy-...eam-career.html

@ridd,

Mr ridd, here is a bonus for you. found some registration info for oversea student like you. sweet!

http://phiawz.blogspot.com/2009/05/only-in-malaysia.html
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QUOTE(jerk @ Aug 29 2009, 04:43 AM)
@baoz

thanks. i did some searching online trying to find some official proof that the amount is correct but i guess our moh doesnt think it is important.

however, SEGi claimed that it is about rm3000.

http://www.segi.edu.my/news/mpharm2+2.htm
Marcus however claimed that it is rm3700 to rm4000

http://myuc.blogspot.com/2009/03/pharmacy-...eam-career.html

@ridd,

Mr ridd, here is a bonus for you. found some registration info for oversea student like you. sweet!

http://phiawz.blogspot.com/2009/05/only-in-malaysia.html
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Thanks for the links. They're useful. Anyway, I'll just put a conservative range of RM3000-4000 for the starting pay.
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@minshuen: we learn normal human physiology. not to the extent of anatomy as deep as the medics.
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so that means a pharmacy students need not to anatomise a dead human body during class is it?i was curious about this because it seems like a daunting challenge for me to anatomise a human body. sweat.gif
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[quote=minshuen,Aug 29 2009, 01:25 PM]
@minshuen: we learn normal human physiology. not to the extent of anatomy as deep as the medics.
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so that means a pharmacy students need not to anatomise a dead human body during class is it?i was curious about this because it seems like a daunting challenge for me to anatomise a human body. sweat.gif
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No no of course not. I highly doubt we'll need to do that. I think the furthest we'll go is dissecting a rat.
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someone should just pin the pay at the first post.. since no one bother reading through whole thread.


@polaris91
didnt you wait for edu fair or smth? heard they waive the application fees
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unfortunately there`s no waiver for medic n pharm applications >.<
that`s what the representatives told me...aiksss
and it`s damn competitive for next yr intake...they told me that pharm in UQ for next yr is alrdy full =.=
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[quote=baoz,Aug 29 2009, 01:33 PM]
so that means a pharmacy students need not to anatomise a dead human body during class is it?i was curious about this because it seems like a daunting challenge for me to anatomise a human body. sweat.gif
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No no of course not. I highly doubt we'll need to do that. I think the furthest we'll go is dissecting a rat.
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thanks for the information .thumbup.gif erm...i would like to ask one more question,will pharmacy course involves many calculation?are the calculations very very hard? hmm.gif
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[quote=minshuen,Aug 29 2009, 04:22 PM]
No no of course not. I highly doubt we'll need to do that. I think the furthest we'll go is dissecting a rat.
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thanks for the information .thumbup.gif erm...i would like to ask one more question,will pharmacy course involves many calculation?are the calculations very very hard? hmm.gif
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Calculations involve simple maths. Like calculating ratio and stuff, a bit of statistics and very minimal calculus here and there.

What's difficult is understanding the question before you can even apply those simple (add/subtract/multiply/divide) maths skills.
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I`ve heard that a pharmacy student must be good in statistics..probability..calculus and other stuff...is it true???
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[quote=baoz,Aug 29 2009, 04:49 PM]
thanks for the information .thumbup.gif erm...i would like to ask one more question,will pharmacy course involves many calculation?are the calculations very very hard? hmm.gif
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Calculations involve simple maths. Like calculating ratio and stuff, a bit of statistics and very minimal calculus here and there.

What's difficult is understanding the question before you can even apply those simple (add/subtract/multiply/divide) maths skills.
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thank you!!!i am a form 5 student this year and really have huge interest in pharmacy.any recommendation?(my family is not that rich) sweat.gif
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u can look for aimst and imu...both of `em offer pharm courses too..
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thank you!!!i am a form 5 student this year and really have huge interest in pharmacy.any recommendation?(my family is not that rich) sweat.gif
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It's a good profession to go into. Financially and mentally rewarding too. smile.gif

What is your budget range? Plan to go private or public?

If private, try a general pre-u like SAM, AUSMAT or A Levels. Then proceed to private unis like UCSI, IMU, AIMST, Monash and many more listed on the front page... (all within the range of RM90k - RM160k. But you can get PTPTN loan to cover your full or partial tuition fees).

Contrary to popular belief that if you undergo A Levels... you learn more and thus making your studying life easier during your first year. Honestly, it's not much of a difference. People who take 1-year pre-u courses fare just as well as those who did A Levels. Some even do better.

If private is still expensive for you, then your best bet would be STPM. But mind you, STPM is difficult to score and Pharmacy being a popular course; it's difficult to get into public unis like USM too.
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In pharmacy, you don't have to learn the human anatomy as detailed as medical students or even nursing students. So just some simple basic anatomy, you don't need to dissect any human body or anything like that haha, although i wish!! the most we did was to dissect a rat and that was during my thesis project. We are more focused on the chemistry aspect! As for calculations, its just really some simple maths but the first two years maybe you need to learn some organic chem, stats., not really calculus..but in your last few years, its more about memorizing those drug names and patient care plan, e.g. how to cope with side-effects, you learn when is it ok to give combinations of meds without having interactions, etc. so it gets really interesting, trust me!!!


@jerk

Thanx soo much upon your awesome discovery!! that is sweet info indeed...! thumbup.gif





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In pharmacy, you don't have to learn the human anatomy as detailed as medical students or even nursing students. So just some simple basic anatomy, you don't need to dissect any human body or anything like that haha, although i wish!! the most we did was to dissect a rat and that was during my thesis project. We are more focused on the chemistry aspect! As for calculations, its just really some simple maths but the first two years maybe you need to learn some organic chem, stats., not really calculus..but in your last few years, its more about memorizing those drug names and patient care plan, e.g. how to cope with side-effects, you learn when is it ok to give combinations of meds without having interactions, etc. so it gets really interesting, trust me!!!
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Thanx soo much upon your awesome discovery!! that is sweet info indeed...!  thumbup.gif
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just pray that I`ll do well in my upcoming mocks and the external exam >.<
`coz I know that the entry requirement is highhhhh ~~~
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Alternatively, you may consider taking A levels after your SPM, and then try to apply for entrance into NUS Pharmacy course. Recommended subjects include Biology, Physics, Chemistry, Maths. Since you mentioned that your family isn't that rich, i guess you must work really hard to score at least 9 A's for SPM, and then get 100% tuition fee waiver for A levels ( which is available in most of the colleges). As NUS Pharmacy course is highly competitive, you may need straight A's for your A levels to be considered for admission. Moreover, depending on your A level results, you may be considered for ASEAN Undergraduate Scholarship. Good luck.
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QUOTE(dunkiedonuts @ Aug 30 2009, 09:30 AM)
Alternatively, you may consider taking A levels after your SPM, and then try to apply for entrance into NUS Pharmacy course. Recommended subjects include Biology, Physics, Chemistry, Maths. Since you mentioned that your family isn't that rich, i guess you must work really hard to score at least 9 A's for SPM, and then get 100% tuition fee waiver for A levels ( which is available in most of the colleges). As NUS Pharmacy course is highly competitive, you may need straight A's for your A levels to be considered for admission. Moreover, depending on your A level results, you may be considered for ASEAN Undergraduate Scholarship. Good luck.
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thanks all of u for the information!!you guys are great! thumbup.gif erm..actually i wish to enter STPM for pre U as everyone knows it is much more cheaper than other pre u courses.is it really need 9 a's to gt full tuition fee waiver?actually i am quite sure that i can gt about at least 10 a's in my SPM except BM.can u list down some instituition that provide full tuition fee waiver for those who scored 9 a's that u have mentioned in the previous post? icon_question.gif
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good in statistics and probability?i dont think that is true because maths is hardly our main focus.. of course you need to learn a little about biostatistics.

@minshuen

i suggest that you do very well for spm to secure a scholarship for A level. if you think you really want to save every single cent for your pharmacy degree, STPM would be a better choice.

Added on August 30, 2009, 12:34 pm@ridd

no prob. it was by chance i discovered that. thanks to uncle google

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It's a good profession to go into. Financially and mentally rewarding too. smile.gif

What is your budget range? Plan to go private or public?

If private, try a general pre-u like SAM, AUSMAT or A Levels. Then proceed to private unis like UCSI, IMU, AIMST, Monash and many more listed on the front page... (all within the range of RM90k - RM160k. But you can get PTPTN loan to cover your full or partial tuition fees).

Contrary to popular belief that if you undergo A Levels... you learn more and thus making your studying life easier during your first year. Honestly, it's not much of a difference. People who take 1-year pre-u courses fare just as well as those who did A Levels. Some even do better.

If private is still expensive for you, then your best bet would be STPM. But mind you, STPM is difficult to score and Pharmacy being a popular course; it's difficult to get into public unis like USM too.
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erm..i would like to ask that is it true that SAM and AUSMAT can be used to apply for private instituition such as nottingham malaysia campus and IMU?
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i dont remember whether i paid a single cent for application because it was quite some time ago. well, mb one day you will be my junior

@minshuen

tons of colleges out there offering scholarship. almost every college that offers A level.

taylors, inti, ucsi are the few i am familiar with

Added on August 30, 2009, 12:42 pm@minshuen

check their website for entry requirement. IMU sure do accept australian matriculation. nottingham i am not that sure and i am too lazy to do your 'homework' for you

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erm..i would like to ask that is it true that SAM and AUSMAT can be used to apply for private instituition such as nottingham malaysia campus and IMU?
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of course you can...I`m currently doing ausmat...
But since Nott is an UK`s institution...if you`re holding an Aust qualification...make sure that your result is high...
perhaps > TER 90..that`s what my programme director told me..

Added on August 30, 2009, 2:54 pm@ jerk...btw where do you study now ??

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IMU now have new credit transfer to University of Queensland.
Its more cost saving if you want to study abroad as expenses in University of Otago is slighty higher
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@Kellyyhx.. really??? UQ is my 1st choice ^^
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@polaris91

i dont remember whether i paid a single cent for application because it was quite some time ago. well, mb one day you will be my junior

@minshuen

tons of colleges out there offering scholarship. almost every college that offers A level.

taylors, inti, ucsi are the few i am familiar with

Added on August 30, 2009, 12:42 pm@minshuen

check their website for entry requirement. IMU sure do accept australian matriculation. nottingham i am not that sure and i am too lazy to do your 'homework' for you
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Personally, I feel that taking the A levels route is better than the STPM route. Although it is true that STPM is almost as recognized as A levels, and in fact much cheaper, taking A levels examination is a much wiser choice. Firstly, STPM ain't easy. I have heard of people who aced SPM, but did below average/badly for STPM. In this case, they waste 1.5-2 years of their life, and are not able to enter local universities. Most likely they will be going for private colleges, or overseas if they are rich. Even if you ace your STPM, it is not guaranteed that you will get a place in local universities/the course of your choice. Just my 2 cents.
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yeaa it`s true...and it depends on the quality of school also..
for example those schools which offer F6 in my hometown are pretty suckzz..that`s why I don`t even consider bout STPM at all..
Whereas colleges will have a better quality...that`s the advantage
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saw an advert yesterday in theStar education section, apparently Mahsa is offering a new 2+2 MPharm twinning program with the Liverpool John Moores University (LJMU).

just when I thought new pharmacy schools in Malaysia are growing at an intense rate, there's another new one popped up at another corner. it is really bothersome when quality of these new pharmacy schools are concerned, especially looking at the rate that they are emerging. unsure.gif

oh btw, since jerk brought up to ridd about the pre-registration application in Malaysia, I might as well just throw this onto the table, I think it's fairly informative as well: LINK

last but not least... since the pay of PRPs is the common question here, based on my own personal experience, PRPs are paid at 3.8+k, so ideally it is in fact within the range of 3700-4000.

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QUOTE(valens @ Aug 31 2009, 03:44 AM)
saw an advert yesterday in theStar education section, apparently Mahsa is offering a new 2+2 MPharm twinning program with the Liverpool John Moores University (LJMU).

just when I thought new pharmacy schools in Malaysia are growing at an intense rate, there's another new one popped up at another corner. it is really bothersome when quality of these new pharmacy schools are concerned, especially looking at the rate that they are emerging. unsure.gif

oh btw, since jerk brought up to ridd about the pre-registration application in Malaysia, I might as well just throw this onto the table, I think it's fairly informative as well: LINK

last but not least... since the pay of PRPs is the common question here, based on my own personal experience, PRPs are paid at 3.8+k, so ideally it is in fact within the range of 3700-4000.

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they are called provisional registered pharmacist (PRP) in msia instead of pre-reg as in UK.
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Is that the salary range for fresh PRP? 3.8k + ? I've been told you start only at 2.5k..

Added on August 31, 2009, 4:50 am@ valens

Thanx a lot for the provided link, definitely will help me a lot!! thumbup.gif

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@ valens

Is that the salary range for fresh PRP? 3.8k + ? I've been told you start only at 2.5k..

Added on August 31, 2009, 4:50 am@ valens

Thanx a lot for the provided link, definitely will help me a lot!! thumbup.gif
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in the range of 3.8k, +1k if you are west malaysian working in east malaysia.
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in the range of 3.8k, +1k if you are west malaysian working in east malaysia.
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i am at curtin.

the IMU-UQ arrangement might be still messy. i think they need more time to set up everything including the pamphlets and so on. of course i didnt know if they already did that.

and i certainly doesnt agree that A level is of better quality compare to STPM. one thing i particularly wanted the most right now is the spoon-feed style of teaching and i think you will have that more during STPM.

anyway, like i said, it depends whether you want to save a every single cent or your parents have little extra money


@ridd

if you're speaking in term of malaysia scenario, the starting pay is quite high but i think the threshold is somewhere around there as well.



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erm..i would like to ask that is it true that SAM and AUSMAT can be used to apply for private instituition such as nottingham malaysia campus and IMU?
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Yes,definitely. It's listed on their websites. There's no discrimination on which course you did be it A Levels, STPM, SAM, AUSMAT or ICPU. As long as you meet their entry requirements of TER 90, TER 86, AAB, ABB.... etc they'll take you in.

(If you'd like to know more about the application procedures for IMU, Monash and Nottingham I'll be able to tell you bout it based on my own experience applying to those unis).

SAM/AUSMAT/MUFY are not limited to just Monash Malaysia or Australian unis. As far as I know, they're accepted all over Malaysia. There's no doubt about their qualification.
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with aussie year 12 qualification (sam/ausmat) or foundation, you will have considerable difficulty trying to get into critical courses like medicine/dentistry and possibly pharmacy in uk......and into any course in the true blue chip unis like oxbridge.....

ipts will accept almost anything.........as long as you meet the minimum and have the dough.......
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 31 2009, 10:12 PM)
with aussie year 12 qualification (sam/ausmat) or foundation, you will have considerable difficulty trying to get into critical courses like medicine/dentistry and possibly pharmacy in uk......and into any course in the true blue chip unis like oxbridge.....

ipts will accept almost anything.........as long as you meet the minimum and have the dough.......
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This is probably true, especially if you want to apply to the UK. I, myself, did the IB programme...


On a separate note, I was just curious to know where would be the most ideal college/uni. for medicine in Malaysia and which of them offer the least number of years to complete medicine? Is there such thing as Graduate Entry into medicine currently available in Malaysia? In the UK, there are only few unis that offer graduate entry medicine courses but it is highly competitive and cost a lot of dosh!
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thanks for the information.however,nottigahm malaysia campus is the best choice and it cost me he most too!erm..i would like to ask is there any way that can cut down the fees that will be needed to enrol at this course?i was really desperate hope to study there! icon_question.gif

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QUOTE(minshuen @ Aug 31 2009, 10:44 PM)
thanks for the information.however,nottigahm malaysia campus is the best choice and it cost me he most too!erm..i would like to ask is there any way that can cut down the fees that will be needed to enrol at this course?i was really desperate hope to study there! icon_question.gif
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u can try to get d jpa loan...but oni when u're entering 3yr..it oni for ur tuition fees...max for d loan is 250k n no interest i think...if u can afford first 2 years n living cost in uk then should be no prob edi..

if u gt good result in a level, i think u can get discount fot tuition fees (1st 2 years) rite..25% if im nt mistaken...i think i read someone's post (forget which thread edi) that they give out partial scholarship tat worth 1k pounds when ur entering 3rd year.

im nt sure how much the discounts n loan info can help u, but i hope tat u can enrol into tis course..hopefully can see u in 3rd year

Added on August 31, 2009, 11:25 pmbtw...do any1 noe where can i get 'rang and dale's pharmacology' book....in ebook form?

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owwh..okay. Understood. But to think about it, it's not too bad for a PRP salary for 3 years, upon completion then open up your own business or venture into pharmaceutical companies, for sure salary won't be a problem to worry about anymore!
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"SAM/AUSMAT/MUFY are not limited to just Monash Malaysia or Australian unis. As far as I know, they're accepted all over Malaysia. There's no doubt about their qualification."

yes, that is true but some uni review each application on case by case basis. so that would be a tiny disadvantage with using SAM/AUSMAT/MUFY. if you are really good, you should be able to get in anyway


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pm-ed you. let me know if link not working.
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QUOTE(jerk @ Sep 1 2009, 10:53 AM)
"SAM/AUSMAT/MUFY are not limited to just Monash Malaysia or Australian unis. As far as I know, they're accepted all over Malaysia. There's no doubt about their qualification."

yes, that is true but some uni review each application on case by case basis. so that would be a tiny disadvantage with using SAM/AUSMAT/MUFY. if you are really good, you should be able to get in anyway
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QUOTE(vanPersieXX @ Aug 31 2009, 11:21 PM)
u can try to get d jpa loan...but oni when u're entering 3yr..it oni for ur tuition fees...max for d loan is 250k n no interest i think...if u can afford first 2 years n living cost in uk then should be no prob edi..

if u gt good result in a level, i think u can get discount fot tuition fees (1st 2 years) rite..25% if im nt mistaken...i think i read someone's post (forget which thread edi) that they give out partial scholarship tat worth 1k pounds when ur entering 3rd year.

im nt sure how much the discounts n loan info can help u, but i hope tat u can enrol into tis course..hopefully can see u in 3rd year

Added on August 31, 2009, 11:25 pmbtw...do any1 noe where can i get 'rang and dale's pharmacology' book....in ebook form?
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jpa loan?wah...really a new thing to me.wat i heard before is something like PTPTN loan.that loan can support my UK tuition fees?is it competitive or non-competitive?erm..i think if excluded the tuition fees for studying in UK,i think my family can still cope with it.thanks for your information!u have relighted my hope again! rclxms.gif
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jpa loan?wah...really a new thing to me.wat i heard before is something like PTPTN loan.that loan can support my UK tuition fees?is it competitive or non-competitive?erm..i think if excluded the tuition fees for studying in UK,i think my family can still cope with it.thanks for your information!u have relighted my hope again! rclxms.gif
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here's the link http://www.jpa.gov.my/perkhidmatan-teras/l...an-luar-negara/ ...
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Hey guys...I`ve received the conditional offers from Monash..UniSA and UQ..
what I need2 do then?? Should I reply to them ??
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conditional offer means exactly that........and offer conditional on you meeting their stated requirements......

it also means you have not got your final exams results..........

wait for your results......if you are doing sam/ausmat, the unis will receive your results directly, and will make a firm offer if you meet the cut off......if you failed to meet the cut off, you will near no more from them (although some will write to reject you).........
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owww...thanks !
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i have checked the JPA overseas study loan and it can cover my tuition fees in UK for the 3rd and 4th year.(through nottingham twinning programme)the website said that the holder of JPA overseas study loan can work for the government for ten years as a way to pay off the loan.is the threee years of compulsory goverment service also included in it?is it worth to be bonded for ten years? icon_question.gif
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i guess only you yourself can answer that Q. how much are you willing to sacrifice with the loan or without the loan? (look at it as 2 seperate Q)

to me, there is not much difference between 10 and 13 years . 3 years and 10 years is quite a lot to me but 10 and 13 are relatively close
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oh..yaya,it seems like a stuipid question anyway thanks for answering.erm..i would like to ask what is a community pharmacy?
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it is those pharmacies you see around your town. those ah tan pharmacy, guardian etc.

now my turn to ask Q,

what is industrial pharmacy?
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err...i think is those who works with drugs and medical products to ensure their quality control, product development, formulation, production, management, research and technical sales including medical detailing.
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community pharmacist - pharmacist that work in community setting.

hospital pharmacist - self-explanatory

industrial pharmacist - pharmacist that work in drug manufacturing site.

academia pharmacist - post-research student, lecturer

also pharmacist that work across board e.g. regulatory pharmacist, administration pharmacist etc etc.
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wah so many types of pharmacists?!which types of pharmacist is most profitable?
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well, just wnated to know what are the differences of pharmacy and biochemistry? can a biochemistry graduates continue their master in pharmacy?

thanks for any reply.=)
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wah so many types of pharmacists?!which types of pharmacist is most profitable?
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the first Q is for you to find out. basically pharmacy degree do learn biochemistry + others

to answer your second Q,you should be able to provided you have good results or honours or any requirement
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MSc in pharmacy, no. MPharm, yes as you start as a new second degree.
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but some pharmacy related postgraduate courses require a pharmacy or other relevant degree, an appropriate honours degree or a relevant postgraduate diploma.

so i believe there is some chance to get in the program, no? but i dont think one can practice as a pharmacist.
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Has anyone finished their pharmacy course and is currently working?smile.gif
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just realized that curtin has a Graduate Entry Master of Pharmacy. Basically it is for those people holding a pharmacy undergraduate degree from country that are not recognized by Curtin. (I dont know how they evaluate a degree but i have seen people holding pharmacy degree from china exempted first year only)


Applicants should hold a relevant bachelor degree or equivalent and a history of above average grades. Essential prerequisites include completion of at least one tertiary unit in mathematics, statistics, chemistry, biochemistry, microbiology, human biology and physiology.

For international students, English language competency equivalent to an IELTS score of 7.0 overall, with no band lower than 7.0, is required.

Entry requirements for Australian & NZ students as well as international students can be found here:
http://courses.curtin.edu.au/course_overvi...Master-Pharmacy


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i knew a few doing their clinical placement aka final semester. youngkies finished his mpharm.
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hi..everyone~
i m joining the segi+sunderland mpharm programme dis yr
my class start on monday~dis week orientation

i m 2nd yr intake of dis programme
as my knowledge...3rd yr will b given fully accredited by rpsgb internaly..so next yr we will b given~once i hav any news frm dis matter..i will announce here~hehe:)
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i guess what you are trying to say are

you are in the second batch of the programme

this time next year the programme would be fully accredited.



hopefully it wont take much longer than what they have promised you
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