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post Mar 14 2009, 02:16 PM, updated 14y ago

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Welcome to LYN’s Pharmacy thread. This is the place for discussion, questions and recommendations. All are welcome regardless if you’re a pharmacy student, a pharmacist or neither.

Please do not expect us to know the answer to every of your question nor start a flamewar here. Comparisons between medicine, pharmacy and sciences are more than welcomed but please keep them under control.


What is Pharmacy?

Pharmacy is the health profession that links the health sciences with the chemical sciences , and it is charged with ensuring the safe and effective use of pharmaceutical drugs.

Source: Wikipedia


What does a Pharmacist do?

A pharmacist compounds and dispenses drugs to patients to ensure optimal health outcomes. A pharmacist is also responsible in counseling patients on the safe and effective use of drugs.


Frequently Asked Questions

What is the difference between a Pharmacist and a Doctor?

A doctor will diagnose(a disease) and prescribe medicine for patients. A pharmacist dispenses medicine to patients.


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What is the difference between MPharm and BPharm?

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What are the career options for a Pharmacist?
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What is the starting pay for a fresh graduate in Malaysia?

Approximately RM 3, 000 - RM 4, 000.


How do you register as a Pharmacist in Malaysia?

Link from the Malaysian Pharmaceutical Society – UK Student Chapter Blog


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List of Places of Training for Provisionally Registered Pharmacist

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How does an institution of education (university) gain recognition by the Pharmacy Board of Malaysia?
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How do you register as a Pharmacist in UK?
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Useful Links

1. List of Qualifications by Malaysian Ministry of Health
2. Accreditation in Australia
3. MPharm Accreditation in UK (RPSGB)



MALANSIAN PHARMACEUTICAL SOCIETY (MPS)

MPS is the national pharmacy & pharmaceutical society in Malaysia. Check out their website to know more about the latest news relating to the pharmacy profession in Malaysia.

[for those of you overseas, it is the equivalent of PSA (Australia) and RPSGB (UK)]




Previous Topics:

1. Studying Pharmacy - share your experience
2. Pharmacy course - private colleges in Malaysia
3. BPharm in Malaysia
4. Will Pharmacists Gain Dispensing Rights in Malaysia?


UNIVERSITY SECTION


Recommended subjects to take at pre-u level

1. Biology is not necessary at pre-u level as a criteria to enter universities in Malaysia, but it provides a solid foundation when you enter the course later. Chemistry, however, is a must.

Should you not choose to take Biology, you should have a combination of 2 science subjects (Chem & Physics) and 1 Maths subject.

However, some unis may have their own requirement and the above may not apply.


2. Tha mathematics involved in Pharmacy is very basic calculations. A little bit of statistics is involved and very minimal calculus.

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Courses offered by PUBLIC (IPTA) universities in Malaysia:

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Courses offered by PRIVATE (IPTS) universities in Malaysia

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Courses offered in UK and Europe
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Courses offered in Australia (Group of 8 unis)

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post Mar 15 2009, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(Elven @ Mar 14 2009, 05:53 PM)
After reading through this thread, I'm starting to like pharmacy.  rclxms.gif
If its 99% is not about chemistry, then what it is about? Well, my acquaintances always said that being a pharmacist requires a formidable knowledge in Chemistry and that u must do well both in ur SPM and Pre-U course as they will be taken into consideration for ur qualification into this field. Well what can I say, I always did bad in my Chemistry during my schooltime.  rclxub.gif
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It's good that you're liking Pharmacy. icon_rolleyes.gif

You shouldn't look back at SPM. Most important is your Pre-U now. You don't need to score 100% for Chemistry and Bio. Just meet the minimum requirements and you should be fine. (eg. 65%)

At Pre-U level, I didn't take Bio and my Chemistry was always a C or D. Ended up getting a low A for final exam.

Still manage to get into Monash after everything. smile.gif But admittedly, I'm struggling with Bio since my last level was at SPM.

Those who took A Levels and STPM would be at an upper hand since they covered more in Pre-U. For those of us who took one-year pre-U programs like SAM, MUFY and AUSMAT have to work harder during the early stages.

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BTW, thanks everyone who contributed some information. I'll update from time to time. Kinda busy. ^^ Sorry.
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post Mar 17 2009, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Mar 16 2009, 11:08 AM)
hi baoz,

thanks for the reply on the other thread on which a-levels subjects to choose for pharmacy

we're still juggling a-levels, ib & stpm. depends on scholarship offer n what we can afford.

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Sure, no problem.

Look into your budget as well as your choice of university. If you plan on going to local, then STPM is the way to go. But if you're considering other countries, or have omitted the option of going local; then IB and A Levels would be your best bet.

@ jerk: yep, I'll work on that.
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QUOTE(igmroey @ Mar 17 2009, 06:23 PM)
Hey baoz, im currently doing MUFY and the subjects i took are
English, Maths, Computer Science, Chemistry

Previously few months ago i felt that i wanted to do IT related courses. Then suddenly my mood change and i felt like doing pharmacy. ( Yes very weird haha )
One of my friend, he told me that Monash states that you only need Chemistry to do Pharmacy course. But he say, when you get into Monash, they will tell you " Actually you need biology to enter pharmacy course " . Is this true?

For my MUFY semester B, do you think i should take up these subjects:
English B, Maths B, Chem B, Bio A, Bio B ? provided i pass.
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I don't know much about how the MUFY system works, but do take up that combination if you can (provided you're sure you want to do Pharmacy).

I have a coursemate in Monash doing Pharmacy who didn't do Biology in MUFY. If they don't change the requirements next year, you should be alright.
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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Mar 17 2009, 09:18 PM)
hurm00, I think that should be sticky on the first post, really detailed. Well to be pharmacist in IPTA here, you need 4 flat but IPTS only need 3 B+. But does pharmacy need to learn like in Form 6 like add A to B to become C .C add to D become E(repeat...)? or we just learn the property/structure of the chemical substances
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Chemistry is like the heart of Pharmacy, I would say. I'm only a first year so I can't tell you much but as future drug specialists, we would need to know in detail the structure of chemicals, their interactions and etc. Once a drug enters our body, how it solubilises into the blood circulatory system, or how the cells absorb them. All depends on their properties.

And of course, A + B ---> C + D would be important too.

For instance: acids and bases. We learn that the strong ones can completely dissociate in water and the weak ones partially. We need to know the equations and equilibrium constants to calculate a lot of things related to the drugs. Since our body is made up mostly of water and stuff.
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QUOTE(igmroey @ Mar 17 2009, 10:14 PM)
Baoz, can i get the contact of any of your lecturers. You are studying in Monash right ? I thought you studied in MUFY before haha.

Edit: can i have your MSN contact too ?
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Oh no... I did SAM at Taylor's.

But naturally half of those who entrolled into Monash come from MUFY..
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QUOTE(Duckies @ Apr 18 2009, 09:40 AM)
I am not every good in math so duh cant do anything except blaming myself.Anyway thanks for the info...biochem can be another path for me..as long as it has potential career with decent salary in the society.Biomedic from wat i heard is having tough time as it's a new course and not much job aplication offered
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True. The prospects for Biomedical Science is not very good in Malaysia moreover with the current economic situation it's worse.

Speaking from personal experience, my sister and friend both graduated from Monash Malaysia with a degree in Medical Bioscience. My sis hasn't been able to find a job that's really related to what she studied. She's been doing sales, customer service and supply chain since her graduation. Jobs you can easily do with any other degree elsewhere. She has tried applying to Singapore with connections and some strings(my dad) but can't even secure a job in the industry.

My friend on the other hand decided to go on to do a Honours instead rather than sit at home and wait for jobs.

Still, there's no harm in applying to public unis for Pharmacy. Of course considering your Maths results you'll have to think of alternative courses already. Otherwise, do consider PTPTN loans to do in private local unis.
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QUOTE(wyatt615 @ Jun 3 2009, 11:20 PM)
Hi. I'm finishing my A-level. I can say that my biology is very strong, but not chemistry, though I still manage to get A for AS level. I've already applied to IMU MPharm 2+2 program. May I know normally what are the requirements of their conditional offer for MPharm? I'm not confident to get A for my chemistry, maybe math also. Do I still stand a chance to enter the course with result ABB? icon_question.gif
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I applied with my final SAM results last time...basically just fulfill their Chemistry requirements.

I checked their WEBSITE and for A Levels you would need BBB. I doubt getting ABB will up your chance of getting into the course. Just fulfill the requirements and you're through.

Do note that you will need either MUET band 4 or IELTS band 6.5.

Based on personal experience, I applied last minute (just one week before course commencement) with my real SAM results (chemistry A, Physics B, no Biology), without IELTS and I got a conditional offer. They allowed me to do my IELTS anytime in the middle of the course.

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post Jun 10 2009, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(youngkies @ Jun 10 2009, 07:17 AM)
biology is not a requirement for pharmacy course. but i assure it is very useful, else you will have more difficulty catching up in your pharmacy course.
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Yeah...take it from me. I didn't do Bio at pre-u. I was lost for the first month of lessons or so.
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post Jun 10 2009, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(youngkies @ Jun 10 2009, 06:52 PM)
lets update the memberlist, see how many pharmacist, pharmacy student, prospective pharmacy student we have in here.

list your school too. i'll update the first page.
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Agreed... thanks for the initiative, youngkies. smile.gif

My name is up in the list already, but just to get the ball rolling...

1. baoz - Monash, Sunway - 1st year undergrad.
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QUOTE(youngkies @ Jun 13 2009, 07:16 AM)
why NUS, why sigh?
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I suppose it's due to the difficulty getting into NUS.

I've friends with 4 A's at A Levels and a TER of 97.9 for SAM who couldn't get into NUS Pharmacy.

NUS - one of the top unis in this region.
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QUOTE(OMG! @ Jun 27 2009, 09:13 AM)
Between pharmacy and other science based courses like biotech r biochem, which do employers prefer to dabble in research works?

cos from what i know, pharm has more diversed and flexible jobs than a biochem degree holders, pharm can either go to reseach or be a pharmacist selling and dispensing medicines and drugs.but not the vice versa.

Is it true?

Pls,biochem has more flexible job fields or pharmacy??
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Yes, pharmacy definitely has a broader job range as compared to science courses. A pharmacist can do what a biochem person does, but not vice versa.

However, looking specifically into R&D, I don't know if employers prefer biochemists over pharmacists. After all, biochemists can be more specialised in what they do than pharmacists in a particular research field.

In terms of job stability, becoming a pharmacist would be better. Unless you are very sure that you want to be in R&D for the rest of your career.

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QUOTE(Kathy9 @ Jun 28 2009, 11:54 AM)
argh..cant decide between imu and notts's mpharm. Both are highly similar,mayb except the costs.

Advice pls...T.T
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Notts is one of the top Pharmacy schools in UK. I would think that it's a better option.

@wesleylee:
There isn't any arrangement between IMU with U.Otago. If you want to do a credit transfer to Otago, you are subject to the university's terms and they would have to look at your course units on a case-per-case basis. It would be more appropraite to email U.Otago instead of IMU.

Not all universities accept credit transfer especially for courses like medicine, pharmacy and dentistry.
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Oops, my apologies. I haven't updated myself as well as this thread. Thanks a lot for the info. I'll update the first post by this week since it's my semester break now. smile.gif
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QUOTE(cynthia_tss @ Jul 2 2009, 03:01 AM)
honest opinion : the course will train, shape, and forced u into a good pharmacist. but before u became one, u may need to undergo sum terrible process such as endless reports, long n boring lecture, quizzes.. exams.. etc.. and certain killer subjects can kill up to half of the class each time... 

first batch is out, i am great i am one of them.. ahem... smile.gif with the initial 60 ++ students, left with 36 graduate peacefully ... so what  say u ? good or bad ?

for me it is good.  rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif
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Okay that's scary for me.

Just finished my first semester. Subjects are heavy but not hectic. Second semester is set to be worse. cry.gif

All I ask for is to pass every semester and graduate in 4 years. No more, no less.
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Monash passing mark is 50 also.

I don't know what's their policy for failing a unit and stuff yet... but there'll be a briefing on it soon when our results are released. I'll update you guys about if if you're interested to do Pharmacy at Monash. smile.gif

We have 43 students at the moment. Next intake (Feb 2010) will be increased to 60.
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Hi all. There's an article in NST's Learning Curve today (5th July) about IMU's BPharm having credit transfer to Uni of Queensland, Australia (2+2).

I'm working on finding the article online to post it up here. IMU's website hasn't been updated.

UQ is a good university to go to. The only issue is on accreditation and recognition... yet to announce more about that.

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QUOTE(goodfella_rocka @ Jul 5 2009, 12:05 PM)
@baoz - LOL Speaking of Uni of Queensland... UCSI also got credit transfer there liao but I only read that it's for MSc and BSc in Biotech, BSc Food Science. Uni Q wanna dip their hands into as many Malaysian IPTS as possible?? LOL.

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Yep, they should tap into the Asian market if they wanna keep up especially with the likes of Monash.

I don't think they dare set up a local campus after UNSW went bust in Singapore. So the least they can do is to have tie-ups.

They've got twinning with Taylor's for BioMed Science too. And credit transfer option with HELP's Economics and Commerce degree programs.

Unfortunately for UQ eventhough it's in the Go8 and the best economics school in Aus, it's not a popular choice among students. I don't know why. My batch from SAM all only aimed to enter Uni of Melbourne, UNSW or Uni of Sydney. I was the odd one out who wanted to go to UQ or Monash for Pharmacy.

Still, there aren't many unis in Austalia that offer Pharmacy. Closest to home we have Monash. Now that Queensland is gonna tie up with IMU, it should benefit the locals who can't afford for the full course overseas.

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QUOTE(goodfella_rocka @ Jul 6 2009, 09:15 AM)

This might sound juvenile but... what kind of calculator is suitable for the course? I heard that we're not allowed to use calculator... That can't be true right? Ahehe..he...?
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Just a regular scientific calculator that you use in secondary school.

You'll still be doing basic calculations; log and ln.

No graphing calculators allowed, though.
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QUOTE(goodfella_rocka @ Jul 7 2009, 11:23 AM)
Wah sei... I've barely started the course and I'm already jittery from all the advanced scientific terms sweat.gif Can I just fast-forward the whole degree program and become a pharmacist straight away... yeah!! Hahaha
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It just sounds scary but it's not that bad...

Hmm. Aliquots. Haven't touched that. Maybe 2nd sem.

So far in 1st sem Monash all they ask us to do is prepare extemporaneous and non-extemporaneous drugs. Plus calculations here and there that we have yet to practice..
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