what i suggest to you is to get a pre-U qualification first. go for A level or STPM.

average in form 5 chemistry shouldnt stop you from becoming a pharmacist or a doctor. (and pharmacy course is not 99% about chemistry. dont worry)

just do well in your pre- U

for IPTA, obviously USM is missing from the list. and i think UiTM is for Bumis only.

for IPTS, masterskill, CUCMS, HELP(soon), the one mention by CyberSetan is missing(Island College of Technology, Balik Pulau, Penang) and INTI diploma level.

if you have time, do locate accredition link by the pharmaceutical society in UK.

for australia, the link is http://www.pharmacycouncil.org.au/NAPSAC_a...acyschools.html

some extra info:
The Pharmaceutical Society of Australia (PSA) is the national professional organisation for pharmacists in Australia.

differences between a bpharm and a mpharm (quote from youngkies) :

"though both MPharm in UK and BPharm in other countries are 4 years course degree, but MPharm has more intensive syllabuses, esp. for final year they are taught at master level skills and a research at master level.

in UK pharmacy degree used to be 4 years course BPharm. but they have scraped all 4 years Bachelor degree. then all bachelor degrees are done in 3 years. But because pharmacy syllabuses cant be cramped into 3 years, so they put in more syllabuses, key skills learning at master level for final year, a research project at master level, retain it as 4 years degree and accredited it as Master degree.

so if you have done MPharm in UK, when you go back to malaysia or aus, your degree is equivalent of a Master degree in Pharmacy."


Extra info for malaysia:

The Board approved the scheduled gradation of recognition of pharmacy courses to the following levels.
a.Approval by LAN to start course
b.First Monitoring [1st year]
c.Second Monitoring [2nd year]
d.Provisional Recognition after the first batch of students have completed or are in 3/4 of their course
e.Full Recognition after the passing out of the first batch of graduates

Thus for those institutions that have not obtained full recognition, the Board will make yearly evaluation visit to these institutions until they obtain full recognition.

source :
http://www.pharmacy.gov.my/html/annual_report2004_main.htm

lastly, Provisional Recognition and Full Recognition is DIFFERENT and should be emphasized.

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Added on March 14, 2009, 6:35 pmeven a degree in chemistry would not study 99% about chemistry.

it includes learning about healthcare system,physiology and anatomy, phychological aspect, some theories, some chemistry, some simple calculation ,drugs and therapy, pharmaceutics etc.

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total fees for UCSI for 4 years should add up to rm100k

first, what is actually 'Asasi Farmasi'?

normally we apply for IPTA using STPM (form 6), so, there is either A, A-, B+, B and B- etc.

but 1 of my lecturer back in UCSI is a mpharm graduate through IMU. she did her master in australia. so, i think it depends?

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Added on March 14, 2009, 6:52 pm@Elven

the selection process involve sending out all your 8 choices at once and not your 1st choice and if they reject you only they send out your second choice and so on.

you stand equal chance of getting it regardless which choices(either it is 1st choice or 8th choice) if they decided to offer you. but if you put USM pharmacy as 8th choice and accounting as 1st choice and somehow they decided to offer you both, in the end you will get accounting and not pharmacy( although you want pharmacy more) because accounting is your first choice or higher in the list of the course that you want.

i think i read about it some where but i couldnt recall. perhaps you want to ask around here.

This post has been edited by jerk: Mar 14 2009, 06:52 PM

oh my god i couldnt believe i knew nothing about Asasi Sains Hayat/Fizikal. seriously

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@Salamurhaaja

both mpharm by IMU and nottingham is the same ( what i mean is if you can do mpharm at nottingham straight after pre- U, you can do the same at IMU). you need not do bpharm before doing mpharm.

just look at mpharm as a bachelor degree. it doesnt stand for master in pharmacy. mpharm is not master in pharmacy

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Added on March 15, 2009, 12:39 amin general, pharmacist would enjoy better prospect in countries that practice seperation of prescribing and dispensing. malaysia is not one of them.

i hope you know what i am talking about as you are interested in becoming a pharmacist.

if you have the money, it is best to go straight to country like uk or australia ( direct entry) and complete all four years there. if not, go for those twinning ones, 2+2.

if you dont have the money, go for those local degree ( fully done in malaysia).

so, answering your Q, IMU and nottingham 2+2 have an edge over the monash Uni.

This post has been edited by jerk: Mar 15 2009, 12:39 AM

because i am not taking mpharm, so i dont really know how to explain it to you. i too dont really know the difference. maybe you should try pm youngkies, he could probably answer your Q better than me.

i guess the nottingham programme is the one that cost more?

i believe that University of Strathclyde and nottingham both are very good in pharmacy. so, it doesnt really matter which one you are going to ( in case both offer you) but i remember nottingham do offer partial scholarship for those students with good pre-U result.

so make sure you try to grab it (know what is the requirement), even 25% off the fees in malaysia is quite a lot.

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Added on March 15, 2009, 9:54 pmif you are thinking of going to uk to do pharmacy, there is no bpharm programme. so, you dont get to choose between bpharm and mpharm. there is only mpharm.

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@seyuripa

i think you are confused with postgraduate master degree and the mpharm by IMU. i think your friend should know what a mpharm is since he is studying there.

a postgraduate master would suit him better but he needs to find out which Uni accept his bachelor degree that is pharmaceutical chemistry to allow him to proceed to a postgraduate master.

anyway, it is not going to be easy as his course is a three years course ( compare to those usual 4 years) and it is a very new course.
what he is going to learn during his degree is a lot lesser than a pharmacy degree.

so, if he cant find a Uni that allow him to proceed with a postgraduate master, it is best that he change course now rather waste another few years trying to graduate. i think he can apply for at least 1 semester exemption with his units done in pharmaceutical chemistry.

baoz,

i think we should add a section on all the pre U as in which subject combination to take . things like you can enter pharmacy course without taking biology but it is good to have some foundation about the subject, try to avoid general paper or critical thinking as most of the time the grades are not counted towards meeting the minimum requirement.

and MOST of the time would require 3 B or B+ (at least) to even try to apply for pharmacy course.

another thing i realize is the Nottingham minimum requirement is not as stated in their brochure or website. you could try to apply with a 3 B+ result as they would look at the recommendation letter and the interview.

@thebayang

no you cant. even if you have A1 for both subjects, you still cant go for a pharmacy degree.

why? you will need a pre-U qualification. A level, STPM, SAM etc is what you need.

are you just after your spm? 3B to me is a grade given for spm examination.

@Ibrahimovic

i just couldnt emphasize this enough.

The four-year Bachelor of Pharmacy is usually the first step for those starting out in this field. Degree courses in pharmacy typically centre around four core areas of study:

* Medicinal chemistry (the chemistry of drugs)
* Pharmacology (the action of drugs)
* Pharmaceutics (the formulation of drug dosages)
* Pharmacy practice (the application of all aspects of pharmacy to professional practice).

so, how many times you see the word chemistry there? only once. although most of the stuff / drugs are related to chemistry, we dont just study chemistry only.

for more info. just refer here.

another source, monash - here

The Bachelor of Pharmacy curriculum integrates four study streams:

- Includes physical, organice and medicinal chemistry, physiology, biochemistry, microbiology, molecular biology and immunology.
- Deals with the formulation of medicines, pharmacokinetics (what happens to the medicine in the body) and the different dose-forms used in therapeutics.
- Covers the major disease states, their epidemiology, pathophysiology, diagnosis, the chemistry and pharmacolgoy of medicines used to treat these conditions, and the clinical and practice aspects of treating patients.
- Explores the role of the pharmacist, professionalism, dispensing, health and the individual, as well as healthcare in our society. Pharmacoepidemiology, the psychosocial aspects of medicine treatment, communication skills, patient counselling, and legal aspects of practice are also covered. During third and fourth year, students undertake Professional Experience Placements in hospitals, community pharmacies and in rural areas.

what i try to point out here is pharmacy dont just study about chemistry or chemistry of drugs only.

@Ibrahimovic

you need at least B+ in all subjects (exclude pengajian am) normally to apply for a pharmacy course.

some Uni may require A or A- but i never seen a Uni (exclude local prog) go below 12 points which is equivalent to 3 B+ is STPM.

the minimum requirement for STPM is listed in most if not all the tertiary institution website.

just try apply the nottingham 2 + 2.

why only uk? australia seems to be not bad as well. after all, both country practice separation of prescribing and dispensing right.

haha.. racism. i have yet to come across any in perth yet.

well, every country have that.

anyway, just try to apply for everything. just in case they decided to offer you, then there is something to consider. if you dont try, they certainly not going to offer you anything.

just try to apply for those in australia. it is not compulsary that you have to accept the offer if you are offered a place.

try everything since there is nothing to lose. some australia Uni doesnt even charge you a single cent to processs your application. just make sure you apply for those that are fully accredited. the list is in the first post.

are you sure? i thought they prefer IELTS.

anyway, some of them will accept the MUET or the 1119 paper during spm.( the one that is mark by the british council or something like that- hope you still have the cert).

just try everything. i like the nottingham's semenyih campus.

@Ibrahimovic
i dont think a pharmacist need to work > 48 hours. they normally have fixed hour like 8am to 5pm.

@IceLemonTeaZ
i dont think that is possible. it might take you years to achieve that salary. mb it is possible only if you own a community pharmacy. you will need to at least involve in administration role in industrial sector to get that much money.

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Added on March 21, 2009, 9:26 pmif you has started your degree here, it is better that you finish it unless you are still in your first semester.

get a degree and do master oversea.

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@Salamurhaaja

first, i dont understand whether you are asking about the undergraduate or postgraduate programme.

second, i dont know if you are refering to the semenyih campus or the main campus in the uk.

but normally the partial scholarship offered is based on your pre-U result. i am talking about the undergraduate programme and you must maintain above cGPA above 3.5 (not sure) throughout the semester.

those information are given in the website or the form to apply for it because i knew i had seen it last time.

@igmroey

MUFY and then do pharmacy at nottingham? that is not a wise decision.

@wreckens15

just read through my previous post about what a pharmacy students really study and just extract some information from it. you may also try those University website, normally they did give some information about the prospect and so on. even if JPA didnt ask you at the interview, i am sure you understand the pharmacy course and what you can do with it better.

just pick one from the list ( the one from board of pharmacy malaysia) of accreditted degree aka recognised by our government because you are bonded.

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Added on March 25, 2009, 9:56 pmoh ya.. make sure you do know what "seperation of prescribing and despensing right" is about.

This post has been edited by jerk: Mar 25 2009, 09:56 PM

@wreckens15

separation of prescribing and dispensing right definitely 1 of my Q to ask those intend to do pharmacy if i am the interviewer.

just use uncle google (separation of dispensing and prescribing) k. some reading on that topic before your interview should be able to help you.

i have to prepare for my next quiz and i am too lazy to explain.

just a tip for you, Malaysia doesn't practice separation of dispensing and prescribing right.

if you dont understand the word "prescribing" or "dispensing", look up in a dictionary or type " define prescribing " without those " mark in google. a lot of articles uses the word physicians and in malaysia, we call them doctors.

quote from here about one of the disadvantages of our healthcare system:

"the physician has a financial self-interest in “diagnosing” as many conditions as possible, and in exaggerating their seriousness, because he or she can then sell more medications to the patient. Such self-interest directly conflicts with the patient’s interest in obtaining cost-effective medication and avoiding the unnecessary use of medication that may have side-effects."



This post has been edited by jerk: Mar 26 2009, 04:21 PM

@Deak

i am sure what you need/want to know is all in this thread.

i assume that you didnt read all the previous posts as i had made the effort to search and paste here about area of study of a pharmacy degree (Mar 18 2009) and youngkies had touched on what a pharmacist really do in real world working as a pharmacist (Mar 25 2009).

so, if you are just too lazy to read through some of the previous post, we are too lazy to keep repeating what is already there.

of course not everything is pinned at the first post.

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Added on March 27, 2009, 11:38 pm@wreckens15

i have search a few more article for you but you might not able to understand the term and words they use.

here

here

here

here

here

i didnt read through all the articles so they might not help you much.

wikipedia did cover a little on Separation of prescribing from dispensing as well.

i remember NST last year did cover the Separation of prescribing from dispensing issue for 2 weeks but i couldnt locate the article on their website but one of the article above actually refering to 2 articles in NST which dated 29 March 2008 and 31 March 2008.

lastly, in very very simple words..

diagnose is the doctor telling you what illness you have such as cough and fever.

prescribing is the part where the doctor write something like antibiotic after diagnosed your condition so that the nurse or what-so-ever know what medicine to pack for you.

dispense is the part where you get your medication as prescribed by doctor.

in case you are wondering why pharmacist is not involved or maybe i missed out, doctors in malaysia get to sell medicine. Therefore they are dispensing and not pharmacist.


This post has been edited by jerk: Mar 27 2009, 11:38 PM