asasi sains hayat ( pure science)..u learn bio, chem, math...those who r planning to do medicine, pharmacy, dentistry, or any life science courses..they will choose sains hayat.

sains fizikal...u learn math, chem , n physic...normally those who r planning to do engineering course etc.

get the point?
only exchange bio - physic..
but for chem n math..they still learn the same syllabus..

if u did science hayat...when u're applying for a degree, u still can go to engineering .
but if u did science physical...it is quite hard to enter medical programmed..unless u get 4 flat..
if im not mistaken.
which means..sains hayat has a broader options compared to fizikal.

Well basically Asasi Sains Fizikal is for those who would wanna be an engineer. Asasi Sains Hayat is for those who would want to go for Medic Dentistry or Pharmacy. How come u didnt know ah? I think that these 2 courses are one of the 1st courses implemented years ago before other Asasi like Asasi Farmasi, Pergigian, TESL, etc are implemented.

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Added on March 14, 2009, 7:10 pmJust like in school. If u take pure science stream, u'll possibly be able to choose all courses. But If u take accounting stream, u can only go for Accounting or Business or whatsoever related.

This post has been edited by Elven: Mar 14 2009, 07:10 PM

It's good that you're liking Pharmacy.

You shouldn't look back at SPM. Most important is your Pre-U now. You don't need to score 100% for Chemistry and Bio. Just meet the minimum requirements and you should be fine. (eg. 65%)

At Pre-U level, I didn't take Bio and my Chemistry was always a C or D. Ended up getting a low A for final exam.

Still manage to get into Monash after everything. But admittedly, I'm struggling with Bio since my last level was at SPM.

Those who took A Levels and STPM would be at an upper hand since they covered more in Pre-U. For those of us who took one-year pre-U programs like SAM, MUFY and AUSMAT have to work harder during the early stages.

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BTW, thanks everyone who contributed some information. I'll update from time to time. Kinda busy. ^^ Sorry.

Hey still have something confusing wat the difference between the MPharm from IMU and the MPharm from Nottingham...

Izit for the MPharm from IMU you required to study for BPharm at IMU for 4 years then MPharm for another 4 years... If so then the MPharm offered by the Nottingham is much more better...

So among all those IMU, Monash and Nottingham which is da best for student who like to pursue on field of pharmacy...

@Salamurhaaja

both mpharm by IMU and nottingham is the same ( what i mean is if you can do mpharm at nottingham straight after pre- U, you can do the same at IMU). you need not do bpharm before doing mpharm.

just look at mpharm as a bachelor degree. it doesnt stand for master in pharmacy. mpharm is not master in pharmacy

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Added on March 15, 2009, 12:39 amin general, pharmacist would enjoy better prospect in countries that practice seperation of prescribing and dispensing. malaysia is not one of them.

i hope you know what i am talking about as you are interested in becoming a pharmacist.

if you have the money, it is best to go straight to country like uk or australia ( direct entry) and complete all four years there. if not, go for those twinning ones, 2+2.

if you dont have the money, go for those local degree ( fully done in malaysia).

so, answering your Q, IMU and nottingham 2+2 have an edge over the monash Uni.

This post has been edited by jerk: Mar 15 2009, 12:39 AM

Oh thanks for the information... Its really help me a lot b4 i'm still confusing on it... Yea you're rite 2+2 is beta and why the cost range between IMU and Nottingham still have a slightly diff its about 4++++ tat quite a lot... I wondering why???

Btw then why one must study the MPharm instead of the BPharm... And is it MPharm will be consider as a much higher level...

This post has been edited by Salamurhaaja: Mar 15 2009, 01:16 AM

because i am not taking mpharm, so i dont really know how to explain it to you. i too dont really know the difference. maybe you should try pm youngkies, he could probably answer your Q better than me.

i guess the nottingham programme is the one that cost more?

i believe that University of Strathclyde and nottingham both are very good in pharmacy. so, it doesnt really matter which one you are going to ( in case both offer you) but i remember nottingham do offer partial scholarship for those students with good pre-U result.

so make sure you try to grab it (know what is the requirement), even 25% off the fees in malaysia is quite a lot.

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Added on March 15, 2009, 9:54 pmif you are thinking of going to uk to do pharmacy, there is no bpharm programme. so, you dont get to choose between bpharm and mpharm. there is only mpharm.

This post has been edited by jerk: Mar 15 2009, 09:54 PM

Thanks for the enlightenment hurm00,

I actually did considered getting into Pharmacy but my mom got really pissed and said that Pharmacy hard to find work and got to open own pharmacy shop. But I know she just wanted to get me into Medicine. But for me, I think the course small tuition fees compared to medicine and stable job is quite a catch. I definately place my eye on Pharmacy if not getting Medicine.

okay this's my earlier question I asked from other pharmacy thread
"Asking behalf for my fren,is it possible for a person who just graduated from degree of pharmaceutical chemistry to further his study in master of pharmacy??

plz need the answer.......urgently"

To Jerk,
yes,my friend's taking pharmaceutical chemistry from IMU and this is his 2nd year and he's wondering that is it possible to further his study in the master of pharmacy........
According to his lecturer,he can do so but he needs to find out which Uni cause not all the uni allow to do that,any idea??

for those who are still unsure about the differences between an MPharm and a BPharm, go here :
the first few posts clearly explain the differences..

Master of Pharmacy? I am assuming you meant MPharm? If it is, then the answer is yes. MPharm is a degree where anyone can take so long as the person passes the Pre-U requirement. However, since your friend is already taking a degree, if he/she wishes to take MPharm (which is a degree), he/she STILL has to take the full course (4 years), although some university may allow you to skip the 1st/2nd semester with direct entry to 2nd year, depending on their course structure and your pharmaceutical chemistry degree.

This post has been edited by valens: Mar 16 2009, 01:18 AM

well to simplify MPharm is a undegraduate Master degree in pharmacy, which is quite different from undergraduate Bachelor degree, BPharm, although the study period is the same.

The reason why the existance of undergraduate MPharm course in msia is because, availability of twinning program with UK university.

in UK, all bachelor degree is done in 3 years, but there is no way to fit pharmacy studies into 3 years, hence they retain the course for 4 years, and squeeze in a esearch at master level in the final year, to make it equivalent of master degree.

So basically, the different is not much compare to other courses of postgraduate master degree, just that it is a straightaway 4 years undergraduate degree. So if you do MPharm degree in UK, from a reputable uni, you will learn like other postgraduate master degree too, as so to attain skills at master level.

if you asking IMU or Notts, I would suggest Notts. Why, they have been doing 2+2 for long time and are fully accredited by RPSGB. Which means the graduate of the 2+2 degree can remain in UK to work as pre-reg after graduation. As for IMU, only the 2+2 program allows their graduate to remain in UK after graduation, which the program itself is quite new.

hi baoz,

thanks for the reply on the other thread on which a-levels subjects to choose for pharmacy

we're still juggling a-levels, ib & stpm. depends on scholarship offer n what we can afford.

But may I know if MPharm is *better* than BPharm since we learn a lot more?

Also may I know if anyone who just came out of university in maybe UK could get job directly to UK without having to wait a year or two getting visa?

thanks for the reply,I'm really appreciate it............
So,according to your explaination ,it means my friend need to take another 4 years full course after he graduated from pharmaceutical chemical which is 3 years program in order to further his studies in MASTER???or the 4 years course itself alrdy included the MASTER degree program........

@seyuripa

i think you are confused with postgraduate master degree and the mpharm by IMU. i think your friend should know what a mpharm is since he is studying there.

a postgraduate master would suit him better but he needs to find out which Uni accept his bachelor degree that is pharmaceutical chemistry to allow him to proceed to a postgraduate master.

anyway, it is not going to be easy as his course is a three years course ( compare to those usual 4 years) and it is a very new course.
what he is going to learn during his degree is a lot lesser than a pharmacy degree.

so, if he cant find a Uni that allow him to proceed with a postgraduate master, it is best that he change course now rather waste another few years trying to graduate. i think he can apply for at least 1 semester exemption with his units done in pharmaceutical chemistry.

it is definitely better, as it wont be accredited as a master degree if you dont do stuff at master level.

a Master degree is where you attain skills at master level, which is quite different from a bachelor degree. you are not much taught/trained of critical thinking skills, paper appraisal, literature reviews, more detailed presentation, and an intensive research topic in a bachelor degree. so directly or indirectly, you will pick up those skills at higher level if you are doing master degree instead of bachelor degree, and you can notice the difference between a master graduate and a bachelor degree graduate.

first, if you want to work in uk as a pharmacist, make sure your course is fully accredited by rpsgb. then the recruitment of pre-registration placement usually starts before the start of the 4th year. and usually students already got a job as pre-reg way before they graduate. and the best way to secure a pre-reg place comfortably is to work in summer placement program offered by huge company like lloyds or boots or in hospital. as long as you get a pre-reg, which isnt difficult as long as you put some effort to go interview, or dont even mind who or where you are going to work for, then sit for the exam after abt 48 weeks of pre-reg training, pass the exam, and register and pharmacist, and work opportunity is then plentiful.

Thanks youngkies,

Now I know more about pharmacies prospective already. Man, I sure wanted to apply pharmacy there. What university do you recommend a low-grader to apply there? I'm thinking Leeds or Bristol.

baoz,

i think we should add a section on all the pre U as in which subject combination to take . things like you can enter pharmacy course without taking biology but it is good to have some foundation about the subject, try to avoid general paper or critical thinking as most of the time the grades are not counted towards meeting the minimum requirement.

and MOST of the time would require 3 B or B+ (at least) to even try to apply for pharmacy course.

another thing i realize is the Nottingham minimum requirement is not as stated in their brochure or website. you could try to apply with a 3 B+ result as they would look at the recommendation letter and the interview.

Sure, no problem.

Look into your budget as well as your choice of university. If you plan on going to local, then STPM is the way to go. But if you're considering other countries, or have omitted the option of going local; then IB and A Levels would be your best bet.

@ jerk: yep, I'll work on that.

Hey baoz, im currently doing MUFY and the subjects i took are
English, Maths, Computer Science, Chemistry

Previously few months ago i felt that i wanted to do IT related courses. Then suddenly my mood change and i felt like doing pharmacy. ( Yes very weird haha )
One of my friend, he told me that Monash states that you only need Chemistry to do Pharmacy course. But he say, when you get into Monash, they will tell you " Actually you need biology to enter pharmacy course " . Is this true?

For my MUFY semester B, do you think i should take up these subjects:
English B, Maths B, Chem B, Bio A, Bio B ? provided i pass.