What matters is the reality. I don't mind if you say I'm a loser or whatever as long as you're happy with but it doesn't change who you are or who am I in the reality. Certainly there needs to be a bunch of morons to balance up smart people Thanks for being one of them. Proton is bad so lets face the fact. Why do you have to deny and defend a crap? LOL.
I think people with terrible English like you would spoil the overall forum quality and not just this topic. As I've said, if you don't like it then don't read or shut up If you have nothing constructive to post then don't do anything. What's the point of you adding remarks which doesn't seem to show you're of any better?
You have to understand that everyone is free to say what they want. If I have a choice then I'll definitely leave Malaysia, no doubts about it You think I choose to be born in this country? That's also the reason why our country is unable to retain many smart and intelligent people. Look at our doctors, scientist, etc which ends up serving other countries thanks to policy "you tak suka, you keluar dari Malaysia". Remember that smart and intelligent people would not be worried to leave but only the dumb remains (people like yourself having such mentality).

If you think it's worth it then go ahead and get the car. You don't have to convince or reason to me what makes you buy it because I couldn't care less. The reason why Malaysia is difficult to develop is because many of their citizens are still backwards in mentality. Well, go ahead because it's your life Like you said, experiment and we'll see where Malaysia is in another few decades.
Another person that has poor command of English. In what sense do you conclude that's what I meant? As I've mentioned, there are always shallow minded people in the country so there's a limit on how far Malaysia can develop. You just proved it - congratulations. What else? Come on, amuse me.

In most of your post, I've seen you emphasising on good command of english and mentioning about low level of education of others. So can I know why do you not have the choice to leave this country? I suppose you do have a very high level of education and talent that other countries want to be criticising others like that.

Thanks sphiroth I'm just highlighting the power to weight ratio part because certain people never thought of that. Obviously the Exora weights more compared to some of its rivals.

it's true exora is heavier than others... this will only affect the car performance if the car is full load.. if most of the time only carry 4-5 people, it shouldn't be a problem

In most of your post, I've seen you emphasising on good command of english and mentioning about low level of education of others. So can I know why do you not have the choice to leave this country? I suppose you do have a very high level of education and talent that other countries want to be criticising others like that.

it's true exora is heavier than others... this will only affect the car performance if the car is full load.. if most of the time only carry 4-5 people, it shouldn't be a problem

no suprise. neo cps is heavier than civic too..thats a hatch and a sedan u know!. maybe all future proton car will be so much more heavier. good to know..maybe they will put all turbo and supercharge. wuhoo~ rev happy bebeh.

wonder why waja's weight is about the same with civic weight...but crash test civic scores better.....i guess its the design do count on crash test as well....

Proton needs to undergone weight shaving program but its not cheap as well. Their defence for having heavier body is for safety as better steal is used. Perhaps some expertise from Lotus will help since weight shaving is one of Lotus strongest expertise apart of suspension tuning.

Do note that many modern cars esp europeans has got fat due to new and better safety regulations and better engines. An european supermini that weights less than 900kg 10 years ago now easily weights 1.1-1.2 tonnes

Proton needs to undergone weight shaving program but its not cheap as well. Their defence for having heavier body is for safety as better steal is used. Perhaps some expertise from Lotus will help since weight shaving is one of Lotus strongest expertise apart of suspension tuning.

Do note that many modern cars esp europeans has got fat due to new and better safety regulations and better engines. An european supermini that weights less than 900kg 10 years ago now easily weights 1.1-1.2 tonnes

FINE, every automotive blog claims they know a lot about the new Proton MPV, but I managed to scoop in a few more details.

Proton's new baby seems to be quite a technological achievement too for the company. According to one of my spies, this is the first Proton model which will use Super High Tensile Steel, supplied by Posco, Korea. Even Perodua has not used it yet, and Perodua's MPV (due end of next year) will not use it either.

This new material is lighter and stronger than high tensile steel. This is good because currently the MPV it seems will be using a 1.6L Campro engine.

Proton has been shopping around for new engines, and we heard they even went to Nissan to check out what they can get.

But so far, the 1.6l Campro engine is confirmed for the time being. Of course if the 1.6L Campro turbo engine Proton is working on in UK comes out good, we might see that engine in the MPV.

Another highlight will be the plastic fenders, similar to the ones used by Nissan in the X-Trail (the model still sold here). Again, this will help to save weight.

Local blogs have published pictures of the MPV's clay model. My source says that the MPV looks better than that, but having similarities with the Toyota Wish is possible as the chief designer drives one, and is very active in the local Wish club.

Nobody knows how the interior looks like yet, but when Proton first did their studies on MPV (back when they just launched the Waja), one of the benchmark vehicles used was the Opel Zafira/Chevrolet Nabira.

The Zafira/Nabira is a good MPV, and the Flex-7 seating is still one of the best around.

MPV needs good seats, and the seats will have to move around much (folding, sliding, etc). To date, none of Proton cars have seats that impress me (except the Recaro, which is not much either) and I hope the vendors will be able to make good quality seating system for the MPV.

Amazingly, many Malaysians are holding back their MPV purchase to wait for the Proton's MPV. This can be a double edge sword to Proton. Impress them and Proton will confirm many loyal buyers, but dissapoint them and Proton will stand to lose a big chunk of the growing MPV's market.

I can't wait for the MPV too! - Mat Spy

True. We know child safety is important. But i guess proton did not include those stuff as there wont be many people fully utilising it. And how many people in malaysia knows what is isofix and isofix equipped child seat? More awareness of these is needed.

Regarding the 'underpower' thingy, come on.. its a MPV. its a people mover. Not a race car. As long the MPV can get your family from one place to another safely, that's the point.

i dont see the reason for proton to put ISOFIX in this car .
well , obviously i am with claxxion. malaysia is the main market for this exora, but if u go out and do some survey, there aren't much people care about this . we got seat belt enforcement for every car , but how many are using it ? at that level , those ppl aren't really care about the isofix thingy. what the automotive union must do is to standardize the isofix licencing fee so that it can be adapted in almost everyone.

paultan is stating a suggestion there , however in terms of economical scale for exora , it isn't worth. probably it could be the licencing fee to adapt the design into it is expensive or etc .

it was dated back last year...
but good scoop btw.

now we know turbocharged Neo is indeed in the making... probably will be the first ever Proton with turbocharged engine.

---

Added on March 18, 2009, 7:20 pm
and indonesia will be the main export market for exora.. you can see lots of hatch and mpv's there..

Yeah, i know, but this is the only site that talks about the steel of Proton Exora...

Definitely Indonesia is their main market, infact they plan to introduce Exora in July 2009, 3 months after launch in Malaysia...

It will be marketed in Thailand too

yes, civic is almost the weight of waja .
and civic safety is better than waja ... why ? obviously waja is a 9 yrs old car , the platform needs another 2 years to develope. so it is about 10years plus .
and civic is consider as the latest in terms of engineering and performance .

driving wise , waja is better than civic . in certain criteria, proton can't go to the weight of civic becasue honda have far lot more experience than proton in making cars . at the same time , there are things to be trade off when we mention about safety and handling . for example , GOA of toyota makes toyota safer than the rest , but to make a GOA car, they have to trade off certain thing of the handling to comply to their goal by designing the front part softer and absorb more force in a an accident.