Well, the Exora can do 180 km/h but we also need to take into account of the comfort level. You can get a Wira doing 180 km/h and it feels a lot horrible compared to an Altis/Civic doing at the same speed (if you get what I mean)

Because Proton cars are terrible in quality and almost everything but priced unreasonably just because government are protecting them by imposing higher taxes for other car makers. This is a daylight robbery to all Malaysians and look how much a crap Waja costs in the UK compared to other similar cars.

If you notice correctly, the point is about why "Proton sucks" so in my response, I'm quoting other Proton models, not directly the Exora. Even if we want to compare the new Proton MPV, the price tag of RM70K+ for this MPV is again daylight robbery. IF they play a fair game by taxing a Toyota Wish of the same rate, how many would still go for the Proton?

The moment we speak about Proton cars, it doesn't give people confidence and there's no excuse because Proton has been here for close to 3 decades and that's 30 years!! People buy Proton because they don't have a choice and I believe majority don't mind paying RM10K more for a Japanese make.

If you insist that we shouldn't "prejudge any cars before it is even out and released to the showroom" then sure, let's review things again in another 2-3 months. I would be surprised if it's really that good because in the history of Proton, every model would be filled an unacceptable amount of complaints.

There's a difference between a reason and an excuse. Hyundai starts making cars about the same time as Proton and look at them now, they are far more successful than Proton. Everyone starts with zero and BMW doesn't make cars back then and sell 10 million units the first year. Seriously, there's no point to give lame excuses like lack of volume, etc. That's what Malaysia do best - giving EXCUSE. We'll never get anywhere if we continue to have such attitude so my suggestion is that Proton should work harder and spend more effort in ensuring their cars are of better quality and all other important aspects that a car should have. If we continue to carry these "excuse" method then even 50 years from now, we'll get no where.

Thanks bro and I'm just speaking a very fair view of how most Malaysians feel about Proton.

I read Paul Tan's test drive and apparently the Exora would be really underpowered carrying full load. Well, almost all Proton models are Campro CPS (even for the MPV now).

As I've mentioned earlier, Malaysians enjoy giving EXCUSES instead of getting things done. The same applies to Proton and government so if everyone thinks doing things this way works (after 51 years of Independence) then go on like that for another 50 years but we'll end up NO WHERE. Every time we fail on something we are blaming and pushing things elsewhere. What's the point?

Seriously, Proton should get a life and start making better engine and cars. What's with all these stupid Proton Chancellor or Juara models (for example). They should understand what type of cars people wants, not design something they feel they enjoy doing. What's next? A lorry running a 1.6 Campro CPS engine?

Back to the MPV, we're talking about a 7 seater using the same engine as a Waja or Satria uses so I seriously can't imagine how it feels driving uphill with full load. Worse still is the price of the MPV which is a daylight robbery to all Malaysians.

What makes you think I drive a Proton? Just because I'm criticizing with a goodwill with hopes that our national car industry would grow further makes you think I can't afford better cars? LOL!!! If someone tends to be defensive when people tells the truth then that person is at loss, not the person that comments. Remember that we're the master of our own destiny and successful people doesn't give excuses. This also applies to companies wanting to move forward.


You're very lost on this I don't think Malaysians wants crap cars. If MPV is what you want then get something made in China which is a lot cheaper as well. Why not? Because quality is also another concern in the Malaysians mind. As I've mentioned, typical Malaysian attitude of being defensive and full of excuses. I do not want to brag what I can afford to buy because that's not the point. The point is, if people are not able to see things rationally, there isn't much point to spend time explaining and convincing to them what's right. If you think a Proton is fairly priced then sure, by all means get it and vote for your favourite BN government. Everyone is entitled for their own opinion anyway.

You are unable to debate constructively and you certainly don't see a point of positive criticism could help Dr. M posted a lot of such comments in his blog so do you think he loves the country or he's just trying to screw things up? I see that some of our leaders in parliament are plain crap and if our leaders could show that they have no quality, I seriously can't expect anything more from a forummer like you. As I say, you're the master of your own destiny so if you think you're doing it right then go ahead. At the end of the day, it is your loss, not mine (for having such attitude).

That's none of your business. This is not your forum nor mine and if you dislike then don't read what I posted They won't bring you to court or put you in ISA for not reading my posts and if you don't know what leads to this point, read further up in this thread on how it started. Please be matured, have well structured English posts instead of ranting like a low life. It doesn't help (at all)

Seriously from the way you posted, do you think people would think I'm immature and not you? LMAO. Please, look again at your posts and the more you post, it only shows your terrible English and level of education. As I've mentioned, read back a few pages before and see what leads to all these. I wouldn't explain the correlation between my posts with Proton Exora because it doesn't help since you have poor understanding of English. It's just like speaking to a wall that doesn't understand, lol.

What matters is the reality. I don't mind if you say I'm a loser or whatever as long as you're happy with but it doesn't change who you are or who am I in the reality. Certainly there needs to be a bunch of morons to balance up smart people Thanks for being one of them. Proton is bad so lets face the fact. Why do you have to deny and defend a crap? LOL.


I think people with terrible English like you would spoil the overall forum quality and not just this topic. As I've said, if you don't like it then don't read or shut up If you have nothing constructive to post then don't do anything. What's the point of you adding remarks which doesn't seem to show you're of any better?

You have to understand that everyone is free to say what they want. If I have a choice then I'll definitely leave Malaysia, no doubts about it You think I choose to be born in this country? That's also the reason why our country is unable to retain many smart and intelligent people. Look at our doctors, scientist, etc which ends up serving other countries thanks to policy "you tak suka, you keluar dari Malaysia". Remember that smart and intelligent people would not be worried to leave but only the dumb remains (people like yourself having such mentality).

If you think it's worth it then go ahead and get the car. You don't have to convince or reason to me what makes you buy it because I couldn't care less. The reason why Malaysia is difficult to develop is because many of their citizens are still backwards in mentality. Well, go ahead because it's your life Like you said, experiment and we'll see where Malaysia is in another few decades.

Another person that has poor command of English. In what sense do you conclude that's what I meant? As I've mentioned, there are always shallow minded people in the country so there's a limit on how far Malaysia can develop. You just proved it - congratulations. What else? Come on, amuse me.

This post has been edited by clawhammer: Mar 17 2009, 08:37 PM

As I say, everyone is entitled for their own opinion. Why am I here is just the same reason why you're here. We are participants of this forum and we come to share our views. I don't slam you for sharing what you believe is a good buy I'm just saying my view that Proton is terrible and this Exora is just as bad. The price tag is overly priced for a local made car and they have a Campro CPS which can be found on other smaller cars which they used.

You can see for yourself how many individuals in this thread that has replied would have the following issues:
(a) Does not have common sense and unable to understand the need for free and open expression of what someone thinks about something.
(b) Terrible command of English and low education level.

They defend Proton is good but sometimes you see them posting otherwise or curse their own Proton cars That's what I call total contradiction.

Because you're being the nut to wrongly imply what I'm trying to say Because many people don't understand the message being put across maybe they find it hard to understand what's being posted. I'd appreciate if you stay within the topic because that's what I'm trying to do as well.

This post has been edited by clawhammer: Mar 17 2009, 09:06 PM

That's precisely what I'm trying to say People buy Proton because they don't have a choice. If the cars are fairly taxed, how many would still prefer Proton? I believe those smart clowns that defended Proton in this thread would also end up buying a foreign make.

I'm trying to send the message that despite being lower taxed, Proton should sell their cars are a much reasonable price tag to Malaysians. Do you not agree at this point? If they want to sell at RM70K+ then make sure they are making quality cars (MPV). What are we having now? The MPV is not feature packed and can the engine really carry 7 people around? There are easily a few main concerns but people are not getting the point apparently.

Let's face the fact and if Proton is not good enough for now then they are not good enough. There's no need to defend or give excuses. Don't try to be a hero when we're not because we won't save the day but just making ourselves look stupid.

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Added on March 17, 2009, 9:18 pmI'm not an egoistic person and I only do so to morons If you think you're one of them then you would have felt so. I will have my utmost respect even for the poor, sick or disabled. At the first place, there's no need for you to make that stupid comment that isn't helpful nor show you're any smarter than the rest. What's the point?

This post has been edited by clawhammer: Mar 17 2009, 09:23 PM

Ok, now you're saying everyone agrees Proton sucks Why didn't you agree to what I've mentioned earlier then? It's true that they suck so we admit our mistakes and try to improve. Why do we have to give excuses? I would be just as happy to own a Proton someday if the quality is acceptable and if they make good cars but for now, I just don't feel it's fair for this MPV to be sold at RM70K+ with what is given. That's my personal point of view.

Maybe that's just a perception issue because these are all text with no facial expression My point is still the same - the MPV is overpriced and the quality of Proton is not on par for now. We'll wait for the real car to come out and see what the owners would have to say.

I hope I am wrong too

I'm not complaining but sharing my views. I don't mind because I wouldn't buy their cars anymore as I've had one before. I still think Proton should price their car fairly and I will continue my stand that the MPV is overpriced and the quality is crap. I will have to agree on you that we should just sit down and watch so I hope I'm wrong about the quality issue

Again, your post is of no value

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Added on March 17, 2009, 10:28 pmAs I say, there needs to be morons to balance things up so you've made it again - congratulations. I am just as lazy to correct you and I don't gain anything for making you smarter either You're right and this is the Internet and in fact I only own a Saga of 28 years. You're good (since you need a consolation). If you're not defending Proton because I said it was crap so what are all your posts implying? Please, if you don't have anything to say, shut up and don't be stupid. It helps. If it makes you happier, your NEO is the best 2 door car in this world and chicks prefer 2 door cars (according to some of your stupid posts previously). I don't want to dig up further and see what other silly statements you've made so obviously, you're someone that is not constructive at all.

This post has been edited by clawhammer: Mar 17 2009, 10:36 PM

I'm just trying to show that you have no credibility and constructive posts I've already explained in my previous post so please read. I'm wondering who sounds more stupid and who's feeling the heat instead, lol. Pretty pointless to listen from someone that enjoys posting crap when I'm sharing serious opinion here. If only I know you're crap poster earlier I wouldn't have bothered to respond and now I know how you got that number of post counts Please, join the underage club and you could pick up girls with your 2 door car Please also structure your post correctly for ease of reading. We'll report threads out of topic from this point onwards, thank you.

Back to the topic, anyone else have comments on the Exora?

This post has been edited by clawhammer: Mar 17 2009, 11:11 PM

Quote from Paultan.org:
AA surveys show that child seats that are fitted with the adult seatbelts are typically 70% to 80% misfitted with around 30% being seriously misfitted. So what happens during an accident or harsh braking? Your child might just fly together with the misfixed seat! When even the Satria Neo has ISOFIX points, why not in the Exora? if you say lack of regulation requirements - then why are they in the Neo? Cost, how much can ISOFIX points cost! RM50 to RM100 per point? A maximum of RM500 per car, with overly inflated costs for 2 ISOFIX-equipped seats in the 2nd row? Couldn’t scrapping some of your Corporate Social Responsibility programs cover the cost of proper ISOFIX points in your Exora? Spend the money on your real customers instead of others!

Why wait for the government to enforce something? Proton should be proactive in taking this step. Malaysians are not educated on such safety features. Do your part in educating them. Perhaps in your focus group studies for the Exora, none of the potential customers asked for ISOFIX points because they don’t even know what ISOFIX is. That is no reason for you to omit them. Put them in and educate them. Don’t be penny-wise pound-foolish. The good PR from this will be valuable, more than the cost of the points themselves. Really good child seats with ISOFIX support can be expensive. Package them together with your hire purchase loans for families to be able to afford them.

For RM70K+ and we're not getting security features Maybe Proton can do better.

I think we should start emphasizing on security just like having rear seat belts put on compulsory.

Your reply isn't a lot better either Do you own the car to say you're familiar or you're another superb reviewer that could conclude a car just from a test drive? Seriously, I don't understand the point of you trying to show you're that good (when you're not) and saying others are the empty can instead. What nonsense GDI and MIVEC are you talking about when the specifications are already revealed? If you think it's plain crap then you should just shut up and contribute something better. You don't show you're any better by repeating what I did.

If you cannot accept some other people's opinion then you shouldn't be posting here. For the same reason I don't hit down at your all ridiculous assumption of reading up reviews and comparing them as if you're a scientist. When all of us are trying to get back to the topic, please try not to start unnecessary things again

You're right My mistake.

This post has been edited by clawhammer: Mar 18 2009, 01:12 AM