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 First review of the Proton Exora

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watonk
post Mar 18 2009, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Mar 17 2009, 11:06 PM)
I'm just trying to show that you have no credibility and constructive posts smile.gif I've already explained in my previous post so please read. I'm wondering who sounds more stupid and who's feeling the heat instead, lol. Pretty pointless to listen from someone that enjoys posting crap when I'm sharing serious opinion here. If only I know you're crap poster earlier I wouldn't have bothered to respond and now I know how you got that number of post counts laugh.gif Please, join the underage club and you could pick up girls with your 2 door car rolleyes.gif Please also structure your post correctly for ease of reading. We'll report threads out of topic from this point onwards, thank you.

Back to the topic, anyone else have comments on the Exora? smile.gif
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I expect to read some worthy input and views from lowyat forum regarding Exora but ended up reading a lot of your crappy so-called good command lousy annoying words....
You're nowhere more credible and constructive than the rest of us. And since when having a good command in English makes someone a better person? And i believe Lowyat didnt put that as pre-req to post here right?

You're the case of an empty can for me. rclxms.gif

Exora; I'm still wondering if Proton still have something up their sleeves. Their MOU with Mitsubishi last December should results on something promising, in the form of a GDI or MIVEC perhaps?

Then again, looking at how all those pre-prod pictures of Exoras leaks through the internet, if there were any better engine, somebody from Proton should've leak the news sad.gif

My guesstimate from details scattered around the net, the Exora will be as sluggish as Innova, if you call that sluggish. And 3 out of 4 review claims that the Exora NVH is great. One review even suggest that its quieter than a french car they drove two weeks earlier. 308? facelifted 407?

I've been following most reviews related to mpv's especially those available locally. I'm very familiar with Avanza 1.5 (the nervous car) and last facelift Odyssey CBU (just as crappy as local assemble - hint; suspension noise), driven G. Livina on a few occasion and test driven the latest Wish and Stream. I cant clearly rate Paultan or CBT or Motortrader but comparing their previous reports on other cars and this Exora, i can safely say that it is something.

It might sell well....


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post Mar 18 2009, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Mar 17 2009, 11:40 PM)
I think we should start emphasizing on 'security' just like having rear seat belts put on compulsory.
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Hey English teacher, its 'safety', not 'security' i suppose.

Annoying wasn't it? mad.gif
watonk
post Mar 18 2009, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Mar 18 2009, 01:03 AM)
Your reply isn't a lot better either smile.gif Do you own the car to say you're familiar or you're another superb reviewer that could conclude a car just from a test drive? Seriously, I don't understand the point of you trying to show you're that good (when you're not) and saying others are the empty can instead. What nonsense GDI and MIVEC are you talking about when the specifications are already revealed? If you think it's plain crap then you should just shut up and contribute something better. You don't show you're any better by repeating what I did.
You're right smile.gif My mistake.
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The company cars (Avanza, Odyssey). Been to and fro to SG on monthly, if not weekly basis.

And i don't have that so-called 'mystic' mode that can sense the quality of all those mpv's from range. You should have that ability since you have conclude Exora as a failure. Care to share with us how to develop those skills?

That was preliminary specification. Ever read the clause 'subject to change without notice'? In Exora's case, a better engine may be?

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post Mar 18 2009, 01:49 AM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Mar 18 2009, 01:30 AM)
I did not say Exora is a failure but I do not have confidence with an MPV using the same engine as a Satria/Waja and being priced RM70K+. These are all my personal view and my stand to that remains smile.gif Like what someone said, we'll just wait for the next 2-3 months to see how good or bad it is.
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I didnt have any problems with their pricing since Waja CPS is 65k, Gen2 and Persona around 50k to 60k, Saga 40k and so on. Pricing the Exora below 70k would conflict Waja's price wasn't it?

I think the price is fair as long as they prep the car up to 70k to 80k quality level. At least better plastic than Avanza or Citra. Or you prefer they price it 50k? And end-up with plastics with cheap fillers and smelly antioxidant, resulting the whole family vomit on long journeys.




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post Mar 19 2009, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(BridgestoneRE711 @ Mar 18 2009, 07:05 PM)
yes, civic is almost the weight of waja .
and civic safety is better than waja ... why ? obviously waja is a 9 yrs old car , the platform needs another 2 years to develope. so it is about 10years plus .
and civic is consider as the latest in terms of engineering and performance .

driving wise , waja is better than civic . in certain criteria, proton can't go to the weight of civic becasue honda have far lot more experience than proton in making cars . at the same time , there are things to be trade off when we mention about safety and handling . for example , GOA of toyota makes toyota safer than the rest , but to make a GOA car, they have to trade off certain thing of the handling to comply to their goal by designing the front part softer and absorb more force in a an accident.
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Besides that, I think the Civic that trumps the crash test have more airbags... more safety features which reduce occupants injury (the dummy in this case).

As we know, japanese has been an excellent weigh saver (or some call it cheating the metal). That factor also have help them to reduce fuel consumption last time (80s and 90s), help on engine reliability (less strain to push lightweight cars) and a few other advantage.

However on passenger car, right weight helps driving dynamic (i dont wanna hear somebody talks about F1 cars which is feather weight with excellent handling). Passenger car was design to take 4 to 5 adults plus luggage and the total weight can affect the car's handling. This is the area where Japanese usually lost. Their car usually struggles on full load. Rear bottoms out etc. I prefer to ride on full load Waja rather than full load Civic ES for example.

Exora could have a right weight balance, only the engine is lacks of grunts for an mpv. Looking forward for their turbo / diesel version.
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post Apr 1 2009, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(-҉- @ Mar 29 2009, 11:51 PM)
mototrader and this and paul tan,etc malaysian car journalist are all ass licker, they don't dare to point out the truth for fear advertiser such as hodna/toyota, etc will pull out of their side thus no more money for those ass licker, I will never believe those faggot....
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So which ass d u lick?



Back to the Exora.. the BCM thingy sound missleading. They should put other term on that thing beside Body Control Module. Sounds like stability program or chassis related control whereas the actual function is to setup the car's electronics.

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