Personally, I never trust Malaysian Bird's Nest Association as the wording apply to birdnest and not birdhouse and so all they concern is the nests and not use, the poor birdhouse owners..........All they are concerned are that they want to control and monopolize the birdnest trade in Malaysia and that outsiders from other countries are not allow to come to Malaysia to buy...........so that they can buy low and sell high...........maybe the seizure of nest at the airport maybe their doing.

I am not saying all @ the Association are those type and some are good guys but still I am not happy to be a member of Birdnest Association for all I am in the birdhouse and not the nests business. If the wholesaler of birdnests want , they can take the Association and we want our Birdhouse Association or Persatuan Perusahaan Burung Walit.

QUOTE(Lucas 1 @ Jun 10 2009, 06:32 PM)
MY METHOD OF RIDDING OF SWIFTLET GUANO FROM THE BHS

BH owners with a considerable amount of guano might consider building a couple of concrete trove under shade and raising Composting Worms (African night crawlers recommended).

Each kilo of worms can consume 1 kg. of guano and other garden waste per day and produce 800 gm. Worm cast or worm pooh is 11 times more portent then the original bedding materials that is use to feed the worms and sells for RM6.00 /kg. .Worms casts is in high demand by organic farmers.

The worms need watering and the worm’s urine that is collected is rich with natural microbe and can be use to condition your BH and gets rid of bad smell and will act as natural aroma like those in a cave. The worms double their populations every 3 months and sells for RM350.00 per kg. ex-farm.

Currently I have 15kg of worms in 3 troves with horse dunk as bedding. . The urine collected is diluted 1 part to 5 part water and use to spray on my orchid collections and my 1200 stands on Dragon Fruits ( Production 1.8 ton of fruits this month at average RM5.00 per KG)

I think this is a win win for all and environmental friendly.

Very good suggestion and if only the authorities allow us to keep worm in the BH as the environment in the BH is suitable for the worm......dim and moist. Then,we will need not to take the shits out but just put shits into the container for worms and let worm do the breakdown of the shits and every 3/4 months, we not only harvest nests but we also harvest worms.

Anyone know if the authorities allow us to be worms farmers@town as well........good suggestion, bright idea!!!! Now, I am counting worms, too Rm350/kilo and 10 k=3500 ..not bad just from one worms' bed and what if 3B? oh...Rm10K!!!!!

Today i collect another swiftlet on the tree after revived i put it in my birdhouse,hopefully it will fly away.

Wish to thank David Lim for writing the

LAPORAN ISU-ISU INDUSTRI SARANG BURUNG WALIT DI MALAYSIA


It is of great help to all farmers and it saves me lots of `hau shui' in explaining/brief the majlis about swiftlet farming.

To my surprise, someone still selling their brilliant idea of using Ultrasound to the officers !!!....they still think that this is the only option for swiftlet farming in town to tackle noise pollution!...

After some short explanation and showing them a video in a well designed open roof type farms in selangor, they all realised that open roof type do solve the noise pollution problem...

This particular video was taken in one row of shoplots where about 6 shops already converted into farms. From the background sound of the video...they can't even hear any swiftlet chirp sounds and they only realised that all these are farms when they saw swiftlets playing in n out in one of the shop roof top which i indicates to them is designed by me. Thats when they realise that open roof type do reduce noise pollutions !!..

We, farmers, might think that it is common sense as we understand the concept but it might not so common to officers who has very little knowledge about swiftlet farming.


Thats the way to go....explain to the officers in charge....they needs to understand more...and stop those peoples with hidden agenda that promotes this so called ultrasound as the solution to all farms in town...


All bn associations still needs to educate all govt depts that are involves in swiftlet farming issues by having frequent meetings with them...

better don't wait until fire broke out only start putting out the fires!!....


wah...the 2kg soon hock today is just so yummy!!!....man....


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This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 11 2009, 08:06 PM

Very good suggestion and if only the authorities allow us to keep worm in the BH

Certainly can be done . Just build simple trove starting in one corner and place Bird Shit and let to compose for some time then add the worms. After this just add thin layers to feed the worms .Don't keep them too miost so not to let mold distroy your NP.

You can constantly collect the worms cast on the top. They don't need any lights . Will keep your BH very clean and no smell.

ATTENTION TO ALL !!! PLS SPREAD THIS INFO TO ALL FARMERS N BIRD'S NEST ASSOCIATION COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO ATTEND THE BELOW MEETING ON 14 - 17 June 2009.


MESYUARAT INDUSTRI WALIT

TARIKH : 14 - 17 JUNE 2009 (AHAD - RABU)

TEMPAT : THE ROYAL BINTANG RESORT & SPA SEREMBAN, NEGERI SEMBILAN

PENGERUSI : Y.H. Dato Dr Abd. Aziz bin Jamaluddin
Ketua Pengarah Perkhidmatan Veterinar)


Ensure to fill up the registration form and send it by Fax attn to : Cik Zainita/ Pn Norpaizan

SOONEST POSSIBLE !!!...





































THIS IS THE REGISTRATION FORM :







PLEASE HELP TO SPREAD THIS NEWS !!!!!!!!!!!!!! URGENT !!!!

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Added on June 11, 2009, 9:48 pmTHIS IS OUR LAST CHANCE !!!! BEFORE THEY MEET OUR PM TO DECIDES OUR FATE !!!....

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Added on June 11, 2009, 9:52 pmFOR MALAYSIA...WHICH INCLUDES SABAH N SARAWAK !!!

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Added on June 11, 2009, 9:58 pmALL FARMERS N ASSOCIATION COMMITTEES N MEMBERS MUST ATTEND THIS MEETING TO SAFEGUARD THEIR OWN FUTURE N THEIR RICE BOWL N TO GUARD AGAINST THOSE OLD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT'S WITH HIDDEN AGENDA TO PROMOTE THEIR OWN BIRD'S NEST DYNASTY SDN BHD VISION WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THERE !!!!!




This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 11 2009, 09:59 PM

No reason why one is not allowed to keep worms in his BH or any shop house? Any owner can do anything in his shop house just as long as it is not illegal or causing public nuisances.

Instead of making permanent cemented trough inside the BH to rear the worms, I think we can use some fibreglass containers or troughs to do the same. Benchai, can we just throw the worms into the container filled with bird’s shit and leave it till our next harvest? Any website or blog on how to rear the worms?

Just to elaborate with a case I knew, but definitely not trying to encourage others to emulate this newbie, he bought the top floor from developer at $60K. Took up 80% loan from bank with $12K down payment. Forked out another $30K for renovation. 2 years later, with no alarm installed and no break-in record, he sold the BH at $180K, Either the alarm cost $3K is too expensive for him then or he knew he has no need $300.000 for this venture. He isn't a stupid newbie, is he? He is just one among others to make a killing. Price of top floor has since gone up.....


Mix guano with EM1 can probably do wonders in your worm composite as well...

This post has been edited by swift4ever: Jun 11 2009, 11:35 PM

Sure can build trove with fierglass with bottom drainage to collect the urine. There are many design to be found on the web.

Some design allowed the worms to feed in tray one then trove two is stack on the top with new bird shit. When the worms finish the bottom trove (one) they will migrate to trove no two that was placed on top of tray one.

Beddings in trove one will have been completly consumed and composed by the worms are then taken out and dried for sale or applied wet directly to your garden, any leftover worms found are placed back to trove two. Trove one is then place on top of trove number two and receive new bird shit for next round.

These are composing worms . Three specisis are found to be most efficent they are the Tiger,Red Worms and the African Night Crawlers. sell excess worms or start another set.

Is it possible to mob PVC rain gutter (Larges size) for this purpose ??

if we can defend our own industry by defending our own rice bowl as good as we defending our own view here in this forum of whether to install alarm or invest rm300k to own a farm is a so hai, then i guessed we will have a percentage to win this round.



This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 12 2009, 10:25 AM

Hi Chank
I hv looked at the various pages but nothing mentioned about invitations made to BN assocns or the public to attend this meeting.Looks like only the various govt dept heads are invited n its a 3 day seminar which I believed is a high powered discussion. Correct me if I'm wrong.

a few associations are been invited n not all aware of this mesyuarat.

alert yr association just in case they are not aware of it.

go there n listen to what they have to said n discuss......

call them up if u needs more info.


k. time to do my own things. i done enough.

Hi uncle Ben,

It is very new to me when I heard we can actually collect worm urine. Can you share some photo to us. Thanks

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file...&sec=southneast



heard fr selangor associations that we can wait for some good news from the mesyuarat. That is a long waited good news.....

A large group of sarawak farmers are here this weekend.

hopefully DL will be able to come to help up to raise the issue of bird's nest tax and bird's nest monopoly planned by some few old time association president's. the finale of this episode before going to the judge.

As always, u support us, we fully support u.

very simple. very frank.

we no need any contracts award, no need any land. just license and let us make a living and help the local community to prosper with us.

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Added on June 13, 2009, 11:20 amthere is an article in Agroworld June issue that titled ` Why so many worm farmers failed'. Go buy it and support our local magazine.

A good article that gives u some tips on how to farm it successfully.

U can do it outside the farm...


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This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 13 2009, 11:20 AM

I am new blogman(birdman) from Johor. Thanks to this group of Lowyet swiftlet farming champions keeping our hope for a flourishing birdnest business alive in Malaysia which one day may replace the crude oil resources. Problem is the government and public don't really know the true value of this business! They only know birdshit & noise. We need to educate both the government and the public the true value of birdnest farming and it is very environmentally friendly. In the whole wide world only few blessed countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand and few others can carry out birdnest farming which means there is NO Competition from other countires. Birdnest is to Malaysia like Oil is exclusive to the Arabs in the Middle East countries. Let us continue our battle to make this birnest business the best in the World!

And my finale post.

Meet too many young farmers who ends up failed in their venture as most of them thought with the right techniques, it will guaranteed them success in their own swiftlet farms. With the right techniques, they can attracts all the birds above the roof.

Majority failed and the result is so slow that they gives up.

Some are lucky that they don't have to worry about paying the bank loan
as the shops or farms belong to their parents.

Some are not so lucky that they bought the unit with their lifetime savings...

Thats why i go to advice to all newbies that techinques is important but will not guarantee u anything....

Location, location, location play the only role in guarantee u success.

All pioneers started without a clue of how to build a farm, and this including me. I build my farm by reading three books by nugroho.
lucky me, the location is good, i ends up own established farms and helped my relatives owns more established farms.

Ask inspector in setiawan, does he know a clue any techniques that make him so successful? he will laugh at u if you think he is technically well verse in designing a successful farm, he had no clue at all either.


Everyone here will argue with me that techniques is important...

it is just 1400 to 3000 sq ft area !!!.....u can think all sort of crazy ideas and it is still 1400 to 300 sq ft area.

If u can design a well planned depart/arrival area for the birds to easy come in n go out, u will have a better chance to succeed.
all other things are just the basic that everyone should know by now.

IF U DON'T HAVE A CLUE OF WHAT I SAID : THEN U MIGHT WANT TO GO TO A SEMINAR TO LEARN THE BASIC.

There is always few extra ordinary cases whereby new farms managed to beat the established farm. but what is the percentage of that happening??

Are u sure u want to risk your hard earn money to bang ur head for the low percentage ??

thats why, location. location. location.


no one can beat that, not pak hen, not me. no one. both of us still preach that location is still the only key.

after that we talk about techniques.

We can assist u to revive ur failed farm, but how long to wait. we don't know. we wish it will revive into a successful farm. we wish.

thats all.

hope will see less newbies bang their head to invest all their money into a place where they found so many birds in the sky while established farms are just 100ft from their location. and they believe that techniques will attract all the birds into their new farm as promised by their consultant.

Please think twice.

think twice.

I like the words [ exclusive ] .

this is what the GOV need to know and not the shit and chitchit sound !
Now a day BN turnover is closer to chase oils palm...so the gov is thinking how to tax the famer that is

This post has been edited by kuching_farmer: Jun 13 2009, 12:12 PM

Being in the swiftlet farming for more than 3 years, I have learned a little on this birdnest business and would like to contribute regularly to this blog. In the next few months, I hope with the help of all other sifus & champions to write on the topic " 1001 reasons why Swiftlet farming is a good business in Malaysia and both malaysian Government and public MUST FULLY support this god given business" In Bahasa Malaysia " 1001 sebab-sebab Penternakan Burung walit & Peniagaan Sarang burung Walit adalah perniagaan yang baik & berkat di Malaysia dan perlu di sukung sepenuhnya oleh Kerajaan & orang awam Malaysia".

Reason 1: Environmental Friendly: Currently due to small number of inconsiderate, selfish & ignorant swiftlet farmers, the whole industry got a "bad" name. Noisy, Birdshit everywhere blah!blah!. In actual fact, a well designed Birdnest shoplot will not create any problems to the neighbours but bring huge economic benefits to the country. Why?
a) Since 1997, there are thousand & thousand of abandoned commercial buildings, shoplots around the country due to the Economic crisis. All the owners were suffering massive losses and many committed suicide or bankrupt and a few survive. The abandoned shoplets/commercial building were "home" to drug addicts, dogs, cats, dead rats, rubbish piled up, beggars sleeping in them and so on. Every where this commercial buildings are a eye sore and huge health hazards source of dengue fever until some smart owners converted this dipilated buildings into Birdnest houses. Now those building/shoplets are well taken care of and if the Government support together with the Birdhouse owners, we can easily restored back to the former glory! Clean & Environmentally friedly buildins/shoplots!

b) Over the hundred years, swiftlets have been staying in the Caves and their habitat have been threatened by Human, Snakes, Wild animals and they are desperately looking for a "safe" place to stay. We the Swiftlet farmers are proviing the "SAFE PLACE" and provide "PROTECTION" for this poor birds!! Many ignorant did not know that swiftlet are "high class and clean" type of birds that do not mixed with other common birds such as sparrow, crows which alway shit on the cars underneath the electricity poles in the evening. many studis done by Veterinary Dept show that swiftlet birds are very clean and DO NOT have any risk of spreading diseases like Bird Flu. Only common birds like sparrow, crows, chickens are lkiely to spread this disease.

To be continued.