One very important condition in Kuantan's guidelines shall be whether old or new BH, no DK or window type entrance is permitted. Only air-well or open roof type is allowed.

If the same rules applies to everyone then its OK. A lavel playing field.

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[quote=benchai,Jun 9 2009, 09:27 PM]
If the same rules applies to everyone then its OK. A lavel playing field.

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It has to be, at least for all the new BHs and also those existing BHs with DK or window types that are causing extreme loud noises. If you were to ask us, after so many years of helping dealing with complaints faced by the authorities, we conclude that 90% of the noise pollution actually came from these type of BHs. Open roof type seldom receive complaints unless the tweeters or those hezagonal tweeters fitted above the roof. Also 90% of all complaints received is loudness.

It seems that, just a few days ago in Georgetown, Penang, a number of BHs were served summons of noise pollution. Checked with the protem committee and the other local BH operators nearby, they confirmed that the complaints are justified. The errant owners have to pay RM 250 each. One stubborn owner had his sound system dismantled and consficated. It seems all the neighbours clapped hands. Coincidently, all these Bhs are with either DK or window type.

Hi there, I'm trying to find out how you guys clearing up the droppings from your BHs. Some owners just flush them down into drains and they are creating the problems for all in this industry and they should end up like the man in the picture! don't you think?

This post has been edited by sampahMAN: Jun 10 2009, 07:52 AM

Hi guys, allow me to share a little of my experience in swiftlet farming with the newbies here. Throughout the years of swiftlet farming, I have run BHs in both business district and in isolated town center. As I was the earlier bird to venture out in these area so I am well blessed with thousands of nests built by these lovely creatures. Of these 2 areas, my experience on the conversion of abandoned shops into BHs is worth mentioned because newbies can help revive the town if not the BHs. In our case newbies bought up most of the top floors in the 3-storey strata titled shophouses and converted slowly according to their time slots. The growth of bird populations from each floor is certainly much slower compared to the early birds there but some still manage to get above 20 nests in a year. I thlnk it has more to do with the conversion takes place one after another in gradual manner. In fact, some of the newer BHs grow faster than the older BHs now and if this has nothing to do with design of BH then I don't know what it is. Surely various sounds play a major role to pull in thousands of swiftlets to this town, but I can tell you that some owners use the same external and even internal sound in their BHs unknowingly. So in short, newbies got themselves exposed to these creatures at minimal risk and cost and should be satisfying.

For BH security, worry about that after I have 1kg of nests in it as a benchmark in my case. Thereafter, you can have remote controlled security system via handphone installed or better still join in the theft watch squad with other owners as unity is strength in defending our BHs from being either stolen or demolished. They know your strength when you traded punch with them when they came

Again this is just my minimal observation and experience. The decision is yours, like Eng. Lee said.

Just got news another breakin in our neighbourhood....

It turn out a local resident son did it together with a foreigner.

Luckily, most of the farms are equips with alarm, they used a long ladder and climb up to the 2 storey farm and when they enter the farm, the alarm trigger...

They are so stupid that they still continue even with the alarm is on!!!...

We then rush to the place around 4am and alert the police and we then enter the farm and search around the roof top, and saw them hiding on sides of roof top.

This is very very typical...

THERE ARE ALWAYS STUPID THEIFS THAT WANT TO STEAL BIRD'S NEST!!

THEY ARE INEXPERIENCED!!! AND SOME ARE EXPERT!!



I always find peoples advising others not to worry about security when u just started the farm which i find amusing ( don't worry u are not the first...99% still think the same liked u !!)...

spending RM300,0000 in an investment....and want to kiam the RM3,000???

Are u all nuts????....really want to bang yr head if i got the chances... ( NOT U UNCLE,,,I DONT DARE TO BANG YR HEAD..U TREAT ME SOONG HOCK FISH...SO GOOD!!..... ).


Stupid Thief do not only think about bird's nest!!! they also go in to sapu all your equipments!!!

Stupid Thief do not have the experience to know whether your farm have bird's nest or not!!!

Stupid Thief enter ur farm n found no nest and they still go into yr farm after few days to hang out, this do happen!!!!...



In this incidence, the local hardware shop owner son told the police this is the first time he steal bird's nest....



swift4ever,

if u have a chance to monitor 70% of farms in a particular town, u will understand what i said about Techniques n all those stuffs.....

No techiques guaranteed u success....
same techniques different result do happen....

No sound guaranteed u success....
same sound different result do happen......

same time, same design, same sound..different result do happened....


THIS INDUSTRY WILL BECOMES MATURE WHEN ALL FARMERS CAN STOP THINKING THAT.....

WHO'S WHO BUILD FARMS ARE ALL VERY SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE HE DO THE DESIGN!!!....

it is not `Who' that matter.....it is `It' that matter.....

it is not `Who' Design is the best or suresuccess ...... it is `It'...

If someone told u all his farms or those that he design are all success....that he is just telling a big ` Bull shit' in front of u...or in this case, `Bird Shit'....

I have never met anyone that have 100% success rate in this world except those who own only one farm........

others including me do have failures cases.....it is whether you want to admit or not........


ai ya....break all of merry dreams and hopes liao....thats the true swiftlet world my friends......


Don't have a clue about what i said??

Thats fine.....


`AHHH.......got new idea......can set up a new blog ....named ` SwiftletUncensored ' !!!......oh seah.....sure becomes millionaire blogger this time !!!!...


why the name so familiar???...........




what is my schedules today??.....diao......have to go to all the farms and check out from outside...just to have a good night sleep tonight......


see...who said build more farms is good for u!!!....

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 10 2009, 09:03 AM

WAJARKAH WALIT DI BANDAR?

http://www.kosmo.com.my/kosmo/content.asp?...ma&pg=ru_02.htm

Since everyone is so tense about the new regulations and let it be and relax or otherwise you go first then what? Take good care of your health is more importance and don't let some guys here that will scare your gut out....take it easy and breath in slowly and out.

Never waste sleepless night over the matter as we are strong in number and during this bad time, the government will surely support us and if they insist to move us, all will suffer.....and nobody will want that esp. the present government as they have other better thing to do than to kill the birds that lay golden nests.

So, we shall discuss BH 's matter. Below are my ways of doing BH before and now....as birds don't change ans upgrade, only human do. I normally will use the least amount of money to build BH as birds don't go for 5 stars hotel. They prefer some place very similar to their home..... so, I use the material required to the very basic and start from there and as for security, just one metal door will do. Which stupid thief will break into a BH having so little nests, and if your's having thousands, even the best securities available cannot prevent them trespassing and stealing.

A friend of mine having 3 steel doors and padlocks costing over few hundreds ringgit each cannot prevent the thieves from stealing his nests until he now hire securities guards to secure his BH.

As I was saying, when your BH has thousands, cost isn't a problem and one security guard isn't enough, get 10 and armed with M16.....why borrow money and with Ah Long chasing you all around.

No point spending so much ensuring no one entering a empty BH.

Just my way..............

The only full proof security I can think of to avoid theft in BH is to stay away from this type of investment.

Congratulations, my friend cos you must be having alot of birds enough to worry how to clear the shits.

What I would do is the moist the shits and not water too much cos it will be very heavy to carry later. Then scoop the shits into the bags. Never swipe the shits around as the dust will dirty and polluted the air, nests and also your health.

That's my way and maybe others may have some better ways to share here, appreciated.

ahh....now can sleep sound liao..tomorrow needs to drive long hour to K.

haha..forgot to add one more type of thief :

Stupid thief went into the farm and harvest all the nests and come back two weeks later to harvest all nests bases.......

HAHAHAHA........ ` Ze mei!!! '......


Just got back from one farm and found one of my neighbour farm got break in few days ago,

the thiefs force open the farm and steal all the equipments as the farm still new.....actually just want to gives him face a bit lah...already 6 months but inside still `Kosong'.

His farm already been break in almost 2 times so far !!!....ask him, why u dont install alarm???

` Why??...spend the few thousands for nothing?? '

see......hard cock die hard !!......the head all so hard...

Then another guy relate his farm experience that his farm too been break in two months ago, i asked him,

why never install alarm?..

He said, Got!!...but fake one lah...

????.....WHy??

He said, So Expensive!!! ....u know the guy quote me RM3200 to fix the whole system!!!!.....very expensive lah!!!...

?????.......

In Sungai Petani, there is a Taman Pekan Baru with about 100 units of 2 storey shophouse. 10 years ago, the market price dropped from RM 150 K (launching price) in 1994 to as low as RM 80K in 1999. Many were vacant, broken and abandoned as this location is not good for business esp the detailed type. Someone started the 1st BH there in 2002 with success. Subsequently, more and more abandoned shops converted into BHs.

By now, 75 units turned into BH with either one floor or two floors. The latest transacted price for a vacant unit is RM 250K.

3 years ago, theft in BHs in this Taman was most rampaging with average of few cases a month. Finally, in 2007, a few pioneers started to form a vigilante night watch team initially with the owners themselves. Later they appointed a BH owner living in the Taman to fully in charge by engaging a few local Malay boys to do the patrolling from 9pm to 7am daily. They collected RM 50/BH/address from every owner regardless of one floor or two floors each. Hence, the monthly collection comes to above 3K. This is more than enough to pay for the salary of the night guards. The extra goes to the person in charge.

During the 1st six months, the guards managed to catch a few thieves. Among the thieves, a few turned out to be local Chinese thugs under a gangster boss who is also a rather big time BH owner. Anyway, a couple of them were caught with their heads broken and landed in the ICU in hospital. Ever since then, no more theft in this Taman despites heavy BH theft is happening in other parts of the town. The owners in this Taman could now sleep peacefully since.

More than this, the person in charge also acted as an owner agent to attend to complaints from the authorities. Instant news could reach the respective owner timely.

This is a very good and effective model recommended be copied by all BH owners in whole Malaysia. This group of owners also explicated the advantages benefited by them through their strong unity and cooperation.

Talk about Guano, do you know that in vietnam, farmers purposely farm bats to harvest their guano???

The guano are so highly sought after by fruit farm owners that they always Out of Stock!!!...

From my own experiment in my Dragon Fruit PLANTATION....DIAO....since forum no one knows mah....just talk K a bit lah....actually testing is done in my own front house and tested in ONE dragon Fruit Plant...

but man.....u not going to believe it.....the fruits are Soooooooooo sweet..........OMG!!!....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjuq5SAtrKE


just in case u can't see it here, the above is a link to UK site where they harvest bat guano and process it as Organic Fertilizer....


another video.....Bat Guano Tea...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pll8i0tmVrc&feature=related


So, when are we going to have our own processing plant to process our guano and export it to UK??


sadly, the GAHP guidelines mentioned that all guona needs to be dispose according to DOE requirements...which mean as schedule waste...

to the landfill??...or nooo.....wasted...


Something abt SHITS!!!!



GUANO

Cave guano is the droppings of bats and swiftlets that accumulate on the floor of caves. The word guano comes from a Spanish word and was first used to define excrement from certain sea birds that had value to humans as a fertilizer. Now the word is also used to include the excrement of bats and swiftlets. Today guano is harvested from many caves in SE Asia, the USA, Cuba and S.America. It is a free source of nutrient rich fertilizer.

Cave guano is rich in nutrients as inside the cave there is no sunlight, wind or rain, and so the components don't break down as quickly as they would outside. As it is rich in nitrogen and phosphates, it is good for crops.

In caves with large populations of bats or swiftlets, the resulting guano piles can be many metres deep. The largest mound I have seen is in Gomantong Cave and was made famous by David Attenborough in the BBC film Caves in the Planet Earth series.

When manmade chemical fertilizers became readily available, guano was used less. However it has now regained its popularity as an organic fertilizer. There are many sites on the internet selling guano. But the indiscriminate harvesting of cave guano can upset the ecology of the caves, as the guano supports the whole cave food chain, and is home to many invertebrate species.

In Niah Caves, Sarawak, it is estimated that birds and bats have been producing guano for at least 100,000 years, and that 7-9m depth of guano has accumulated over that time. In fact this guano probably helped to preserve the famous ~40,000 year old human skull found in Niah. The thick sequences of guano have helped preserve many of the archaeological finds. At Niah the collecting of guano is allowed.

Today scientists are turning their attention to guano for other reasons. It is a source of palaeoenvironmental remains on glacial - interglacial timescales. This guano is now being studied to determine climatic changes over the past 10,000, even maybe 30,000 years. See dating cave samples


http://www.cavesofmalaysia.com/photopage10.htm




Although the word 'guano' is used to refer to both bat and seagull dung, and is defined in the dictionary that way, it originally came from the Quichua language of the Inca civilization and means 'the droppings of sea birds'.

Guano begins its 'life' as living plants. Eaten by insects that are eaten and digested by bats, or fish that are eaten and digested by birds, it is deposited on the floors of caves and on rocks. Add some carcasses, feathers, eggshells, sand and some beetles and microbes to process the waste and what's left is one of nature's best fertilisers.

The Value of Guano

The Incas used to collect guano from the coast of Peru and use it as a soil enricher. They treated the guano as a valuable material by restricting access to it and punishing any disturbance to the birds with death.

Guano from Peru is considered the best in the world. The Peruvian current brings cold water from Antarctica to the Equator along the coast, and the combination of cold water and warm air prevents rain from falling. The islands along the coast are baked in the sun, and the lack of rain means that the nitrates in the guano do not evaporate or leach into the rock, so the fertiliser maintains its effectiveness.

The United States also recognised the value of guano by passing an Act in 1856 that gave protection to any citizen that discovered a source of guano. The discoverer was able to take possession of unclaimed land that contained guano, and was entitled to exclusive rights to the deposits. The catch was that the guano could only be removed for the use of the citizens of the United States.

By the end of the 19th Century, artificial fertilisers made guano less important, although it is enjoying a return to favour for organic gardeners.

Nutritional Value and Uses

As the source of guano is so varied, the nutrients in guano vary too. Sea birds eat small fish; seagulls also scavenge. Bats of one species eat fruit, of another, insects. Guano can also be found fresh and fossilised. All these are factors in the amount of nutrients in the fertiliser, but an average would be 15% nitrogen, 9% potassium and 3% phosphorous.

Guano can be used on indoor and outdoor plants, applied the same way as any other fertiliser. It can also be used by hydroponic gardeners, by mixing it with water. Added to topsoil it can be used for laying lawns, turf and seed, and for planting trees and shrubs. Guano that is heavy in nitrogen is good for growth, when heavy in phosphorus it is good for developing buds.

Properties of Guano

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Soil builder - improves the texture of the soil.
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Lawn treatment - promotes healthy colour and growth.
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Soil cleanser - microbes help to clear any toxins in the soil.
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Fungicide - when fed to plants through the leaves.
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Nematocide - decomposing microbes help control nematodes1.
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Compost activator - microbes speed up decomposition.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A765678




This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 10 2009, 04:17 PM

MY METHOD OF RIDDING OF SWIFTLET GUANO FROM THE BHS

1) Every time after harvest of nests in my BH, my workers would sweep and scoop the bird shit into the few large plastic buckets or plastic round washing containers which I placed in the 4 corners on each floor.

2) After a few harvests, the buckets are filled with bird shit. This shit is then transferred into the black plastic rubbish bags and kept in a corner.

3) Most of the times, a couple of my farmer friends would come and pick them up when it reaches certain quantity. I used to give them free. They ferment it into organic fertilizers. The latest batch of almost one pick-up load of shit was given to a new friend who insistently paid me RM 400 for it.


NIAH CAVE

In 2001, we visited the Niah Cave invited by Dr Lim Chan Koon who was doing research there and also the co-author for the book, SWIFTLETS OF BORNEO, BUILDERS OF EDIBLE NESTS. We witnessed the many local natives collected the guano from the floor of the Niah Cave and each carried this guano in bag of almost 40 kg slowly walked down the few km winding jungle tracks and wholesaled to the traders. Understand at that time the detailed price was RM 4/kg.

The composition of the swiftlet guano is almost equivalent to the bats as both are insectivorous. Understand that the quality of the organic fertilizer made from this guano is considered higher grade than those cattle, goat or chicken dung.

It may be high time for a new swiftlet organic fertilizer trader emerged with so many birds shit to be supplied for either free of charge or at very low cost from so many BHs in Malaysia these days.

You are very wrong...pardon me for objection, my friend.

Reasons:

1.This is the only industry that is failed proof meaning that you never lose as you can sell your BH at the market Price plus renovation and many buyers are interested even on profit sharing on unsuccessful BH. Unlike in share market, even when you make millions in good times over many years, just a month of bad time burned all and sometime even your own money which I did and I regret that I didn't go into the BH buz 20 years ago and now I must be a very rich millionaire.

2. No one will go bankrupt over BH but not in other industries where up and down are so common and sudden...one day millionaire and next broke.

3. I recommend this industry to everyone because I am not selfish, greedy and my far vision......as for the first few years, I may lose some of my new fledged birds to my neighbours which I persuaded to invest but in the long run, I will be much better and only those in the buz will understand the simple mathematic formula. Also with new friends all around, where to find objection of BH @ town.

4. Any failed BH at good location will be of interest to all BH owners with many years experiences unless he has enough of the good money or has really no time or worst, wife's refusal for husband having a second wife by the name of BH. We, BH owners sometime spend all our free time with the swiftlets that we forget that we have families other than the generous swiftlets which is also our gifted family.....at least for me.

5. No one can doubt that this is the safest investment of all and the only persons that can destroy it all are the Government and GOD. Both of them are people loving.

6. When thieves are your problem, my friend! you are already rich and your BH is worth entering and if you are afraid, sell your BH then at a hugh profit............Do you really and honestly think that the thieves will be interested in your cheap Amplifiers and how much do you think that he can get for your Amp after spending so much time and trouble getting into your BH...........better go and steal something else like a car and at least get more than 1ok for a old one.

Before, I have invested and diversified all my sayings in bonds, trust fund, foreign money markets and shares and all gone with the wind, I mean during the bad time. Luckily God came in the form of bird and save my future retirement plan................nice story , won't you say so............

Good day, all my friends

Want or not, my friend


The guano stock is so much that it is going to fill up our estate liao....no more place to store....

somemore needs to build a warehouse to store it liao......


Lets do some research and we can start selling organic fertilizer, u in Penang, i in central !!!!....



we can name it ...ehhh........Swiftlets Guano ......our brand name .......Swiftletman !!!!....

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 10 2009, 07:13 PM

TRUE ASSOCIATIONSHIP OR MERELY ASSOCIATION SENDIRIAN BERHAD UNDER DISGUISE????

Understand from those owner representatives who attended the last meeting in May 2009 with the Exco in charge of PBT and the State Perancang officers discussing on the proposed guidelines drafted by the Perancang for the Kedah BH industry that many proposed conditions were very stringent and bureaucratic and not friendly to the industry. There were two Persatuan attended. Namely the existing old Persatuan and the new protem Persatuan attended. Only four represented the old Persatuan whereas there was more than fifteen from the new protem Persatuan. Many of the stringent and un-friendly conditions were protested at by those representatives. Nonetheless, there wasn’t any conclusive decision made as the meeting lasted for only 45 minutes as the Exco has to leave early. Moreover, the booklet containing the proposals was only distributed during the meeting to the owners.



Very interestingly, two issues were worth mentioning here. A top committee from the old Persatuan proposed to the Exco that the State should insist that all applicants for the BH license must be members from his Persatuan and that applications must obtain endorsement from his Persatuan only. His argument was that during the latest meeting in Putrajaya with the PERANCANG NATIONAL that it was agreed all applications must be members from this Federation of Persatuan. However, his proposal was refuted by the Exco that it may be good for all BH owners to go through Persatuans, but it is not necessarily that it must be a specific Persatuan. The Exco further stressed, ‘what if there are some who don’t like you or trust your Persatuan and thus refuse to join your Persatuan? We cannot allow this. Anybody can apply through any Persatuan or as individual.’

The next issue was the proposed license fee by the PERANCANG, if implemented, would be the highest in whole Malaysia. It would somewhere between minimum of RM 750 to RM 1,800 per annual license. This was strongly protested by the reps from the protem Persatuan only. They proposed to copy the Parit Buntar or Telok Intan Model of only RM 200 each.


Immediately after the meeting, the top committee from the old Persatuan was ‘advising’ the protem Persatuan that ‘It doesn’t matter how much is the license fee just as long as we get the approval for the license.’ The protem Persatuan reps rebuked him that, ‘We are here representing the [B]ASSOCIATION and not ASSOCIATION SENDIRIAN BERHAD, my friend.’ [/B]


My dear friends, you know now why we need to have more associations instead of only one?

Erm... I suppose my last posting was not clearly worded.
I was referring to htc who was very much troubled and concerned about BH's security (BN theft) even before having a fully operational BH. Since there is no full proof ways to prevent BN theft, stay away from trouble is one of the options.

hmm....

Let me guess.....


The old committee member or chairman is Datuk Horse ??

And that particular association is Malaysian Bird's Nest Association??

am i right??

am i right??

am i right??

or am i right???

im right?? right???


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it is of our wishes that all thiefs or future thiefs use their brain before breaking into any farms....

As most of them are either , illiterate....or are high in drug that when they see Made In China Amp they thought it was

Made in USA....

And since, they always hang out there and seldom see anyone come to the shop....and it is lock heavily...

so....hentam lah!!!......this always happen lah!!!.....


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This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 10 2009, 08:41 PM