Just to collect information only. Don't worry.
BH is away from bird flu. I know. and I need supported documents that I can make a copy. like any website? does any body know any links?
Thanks

Hahaha...........lucky false alarm........hahahaha.......or else all swiftlets in 100s of square km will have to become satay legally by the Haiwan regulation....all malaysian nests be destroyed....hahaha......

My worst fear had happened. This is a letter from one of my friend in sarawak.
"

Today I received the worse news ever!  The forestry people also asking
people to open up the stand along BH in agriculture land.  My friend
in Sibu gena and tomorrow morning he has to confront the enforcers.  I
did the wrong decision in submitting my stand along BH to forestry.
The forestry has broke their promise.  They promise that as long as we
submit our agriculture land BH they will give license.  Now we only
realize that they are fooling us just to fish information from us by
providing the location of our BH to them.  The forestry here is a
bloody IDIOT!  " Sarawak farmer.

 

lucas1
really or nt?Growth retarded due to too many experiments and crazy ideas tested on BH by "H"??
then how about other blogger's performance in bh?like CK, James, Cheewooi,trinoks and other most famous blogger,thanks if u can share with us nebie. thanks

If they are not a protected species then does the law in Sarawak prohibits the keeping of non protected species of swiftlets.

Hi Engineer Lee,

Sarawak Wildlife Ordinance states that all Swift lets and Swallows are protected species.

Datuk Lord Cranbrook refers them to as “House Swift lets “and he named them as Fuchipagus Domesticus and as the name suggest they are domesticated like Cattle and chickens. I am in the opinion that he is trying to get through to the Forestry people that that these are not wild animals and cannot survive in the wild like their cave cousins and coexist with human and living near human to seek shelter and security. I hope that some scientist will do a DNA profiling on them and settle once and for all that these are very valuable farm animals.

I was also involved in apiculture for a couple of years  in Kudat Sabah and producing 800 kg per year. Do we  realize that when there is a honey flow we actually rob the bee hives of their honey? Bees have to visit 1.2 ml flowers and in the case of Sabah the honey dew from Acacia trees to produce I Kg of honey.  Where as we only collect abandon nest from swift lets farm.

Quote CK "Only fight battle you can win "

Keepcool simetime the price we have to pay is too high . Is it worth it. I like other readers share your opinion with us.

I will strongly recommended the air well entrance for BH for the following reasons.
1. In air well design or the open roof design, the external sound will not be heard from the outside of the BH; therefore, no sound disturbance to the neighbors.
2. All my BHs are open roof or Air well design, I am OK. I have asked my neighbours if my tweeters disturbed them and they say that they didn't hear the sound. Maybe, they are kind to me but if your tweeters are directed toward the sky, only the birds and the fairies will be disturbed.




Again, as always...above are my humble opinions to all newbiz.

hi
nice to meet everybody. i follow ths forum abt 1 month. jt finish the post n register jt nw. learn a lot of thg from sifu here
a lot of people discuss about the blogger.
harry , ck, james,pak hen.................
my point of view is we hav to use our wisdom to choose the consultant.most of the blogger jt report the good work from them.
for example, my frien, MR Lim in melaka farm was visited by JAMES last year(he write in his blog wtith title DARING FARMER, date 11 aug 2008.)
My friend follow his advise n renovate the farm again. but very disappoined, the result even worse. JAMES never report ths in his blog.so before choose any consultant, we should learn as much as possible abt swiftlet knowledge so tht we knw is the consultant qualified to revamp our farm.
i jt want to share my point of view abt the blogger, not against anyone

Quote from what Skynest said:-

Consultant
Post 585
Just to share my years experiences in swiftlet farming, i think i can categorise all so called consultant in this industry as follow :-

1) Those who owned a successful farm, acctually most of the time owned by their relatives or their parents who had asked our indonesian sifu to design the farm and been operation for more than 20 years. As this type of consultant will be most famous as people think that it is his skill that make the farm so successful. This consultant skill level normally only about 60%.
Their success rate is about 50%.

2) Those who had only few years experience whereby he had asked another consultant to design his house. From there, he used that farm house as show unit and show it to potential client. This type of consultant
skill level normally only about 50%.Their success rate is about 10%

3) Those who do not even owned a farm house but had visited his friend
farm house and by looking at the design, he just copy it 100% and started his consultation business. This type of consultant skill level normally only about 30%. Their success rate is about 0%

4) Those who had few farms and had done many farm houses for many people and had honed the skill of swiftlet farming mostly by trial and error.
This type of consultant skill level normally only about 80%. Their success rate is about 50%.

If you do read it carefully, the success rate of their consultation work max
is only 50% !!!! and the more consultation he did, the lower the rate!!!.

Do you still want to look for a consultant to do your work.... of course you do... at least you have 50% chances of success rate.

Can you depend totally to consultant, NO, you need to put in effort for the remaining 50%. This includes daily monitoring of your birds population (if possible), weekly check on your equipments, sd players (if possible), any predators inside your farm house, external sound attractive or not.....
This part is the only important thing that will ensure your farm will succeed or not.

This post has been edited by Skynest : Nov 1 2007, 10:29 PM
Conclusion:- No one can guarantee 100%. Most successful farmers also dont own 100% successful BHs, if got 50% BHs successful also very good already.

As long as consultant did his job ie you pay $100 he gave you $100 products then fair is fair no one should blame him and all depend on mother nature whether birds wanna to coorporate. No choice spend bit more to get 2nd opinion see any mistakes etc.

But do highlight irresponsible con-sultants who charged you to the nose, gave you lousy plank/amp/cable/tweeters and use your house as experiment. Selling E-files cost $50 on the net but worth less than $5 where you can spend the same on good books. Banker turn consultant who told your to do a concrete ceiling of 1ft thick if got money to provide good insulation while you can install zink roof with thinner concrete ceiling to do the same or better function.

This is scary and should let all newbies know.

Hi sifu Ben

i new n learn lot fro sifu here. I veli like tis discusin . My a fren also buy cd  from Hm clam veli good. don know wht thunler o strong.  use oledi my fren tell me not many bird come n than chng back to old sound all bird come. Aromo don't kno wat name p wat forget oledi oso no efect after 2 month

Now we all newbie veli scare .Don kno who good or who bad.
true all conslutan,cd, bloger, no trust. we newbie veli pusing kepala.
you so luky got free cd we newbie hav to buy...no cheap can not work also pusing kepala.I oso jus wan share my point of view abt the conslutan,cd,blogger, not against anybody.

u come fr sarawak??
i buy the cili padi n black strom fr pak hen, but the result   is very disappointed. the bird not really like the sound.they just come to play around abt 20min, then the bird getting lesser n lesser. after i play the sound 5 days, i decided to play my old bird sound
i also apply the aroma fr pak hen in my farm, especially at 2nd floor.
after i apply the aroma, the result give me a shock. my only pair of swiftlet stay at 2nd floor disappear.
i really not idea who i should trust

i really reallly reallllllllly  agree with you
we newbie really reallly reallllllllly  dunno who consultant is good and bad,they just write blog ,all the blog is information and skill
but when we ask them question , they dun want share with us ....
i really disappointed about the blogger.............
all bloger or consultant say use this tweeter , amp, aroma,this good,this no good...
dunno they cheat us many many money liao

actually, how much the cost for consultant to consult us 1 BH, 22X80 ,3storey?????????
what is the price for CK, James, Harry, chee wooi,and yenzhijia n other..........consultant ????
hope all the newbie can share in here,their consultant is good or nt...let us newbie know all about the true .......then we will win-win situation....
all agreed with me?????please forgive me if i am wrong

Woh....is that only for wildlife right??...we export bird's nest not animal meat leh..bloody shit...some more want to increase fine ahh...
As expected the back lash from blogger a liked...know who did that, who cares...

U think i cared ??...i am not you, driving a big car but blacklisted by bank !!!!

some more show your children face in your blog...Good God...save your children reputation !! man...
From the day one i knew this will happen if i involved in this ...but if i dont involve, i am an animal not a human being.

No regret at all. Only regret, i drag my friend,HM, into this too. But we knew each other well enough and he knew how d*** head i am.
By the way, spend some time to write a better story post lah...peoples read also already know what the bull shit you talking, if your old sounds can attract so many birds play why u buy from HM ?..ai ya....spend some time to write a better one lah...

As for HM products, some say good, some say not so good, some say mah mah dei, some say cheap, some say expensive, some say not worth it.

Some say our sounds are very good, some say our sounds got no effect, some say our sounds only last a few days.

My answer, Yes. It could happened.

If HM Sounds is workable in THE WHOLE UNIVERSE irregardless of macro n micro Environment, then HM is God !!!....
To the d*** head, we never claim HM sound will make the birds JUMP INTO the farm !!!.....until now also i cannot imagine birds can stand on the floor then jump into the farm????       but then we have a good laugh at it...Good Entertainment !!!..
More important issue,

u come fr sarawak??
i buy the cili padi n black strom fr pak hen, but the result   is very disappointed. the bird not really like the sound.they just come to play around abt 20min, then the bird getting lesser n lesser. after i play the sound 5 days, i decided to play my old bird sound

100 BH's. I want to own that much too, but now just started with ONE. Wish me well please, and pray charity will always be in mind.

Update on my BH's progress, jcb work done. Workers arrived today, their temporary residence settled. can anyone share the possible problems faced during construction? i appreciate all the advice given.

Anyone there can differentiate sound between Sriti and walet? I think many people get bird sound from Indonesia,if not careful may get Sriti sound especially those downloaded from unknown source.Any bird sound expert can tell what happen if sriti sound is used in BH?