Dear friend,

I am still blurred and maybe due to too much of internet at my age......better wait for my children to return for UK this coming july to teach me on the basic of copy and paste.

Anyway, thanks for the advice . appreciated,

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Added on May 20, 2009, 7:04 pmEven we have our local BH Association but I am willing to join National Assoiation for BH.....The reason for local town Association is to take care of our local problems and there are so much like complaints for the public, meeting with the authorities and having trainings, seminars and courses to keep us well informed. There is no where a national association can provide.

By the way, really what are we suppose to do in national level...........joining DL's group or the present one....all please give your comments to share. These are for the future of this loving industry which we all share and wish to continue inrespecting or what the outcome of any unpleasant guidelines that may force us to vacate our BHs.

I love DL for his work for swiftlets and appreciate all he has done and so what you all say............I may end up joining all to be safe for me and my sanctuary for swiftlets whom seem to like me alot and wherever I go, they follow.. #the last few words are just for the joke and don't you believe me..hahahaha

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Added on May 20, 2009, 8:52 pmMany builders think of birds only and forget about themselves which to me is more valuable than the birds. In Dungun, as you all heard that a very rich man fell down because he covered a manhole with wood and over time, the wood gave way, and down he went……I heard that he died on the way to the hospital….even if he live, most of his bones were broken anyway.

Remember, especially the stairway which most of you and birds use for entrance to all floors and most the railings have been removed for better movement for bird but rather dangerous for human, make sure you at least have some sort of stoppers like 2 bricks high to prevent you from slipping and fall. Stairs can sometime very slippery.

Better safe then regret later. Just for thought...

This post has been edited by West Wing: May 20 2009, 08:52 PM

Today is really free ahh...

I think i m wrong about this Particular Association.

Those peoples are earning average RMx,000,000.00 a month harvesting nests.

Do you really think they are interested with your few millions??

No.

From what i heard,

Their aim is to monopoly the whole trading of Bird's nests in Malaysia....

without their approval, no one is allowed to bring nest in or out of Malaysia.

AND WITH THAT they not only can earn money fr harvesting their nests, they also get to earn money from all bird's nests harvested by farmers in malaysia!!!....


Scary or not??........

But then, maybe this happened in my dream..i dont know...or i might have six sense??

But, i dont think anyone, well, not human being for sure...to think of doing this kind of things to farmers....Don't u think??

thats why it is very harmful to them if farmers set up so many associations in malaysia as they needed the members no to show to the govt that they represented all farmers in malaysia......So, do u still think that joining a national association is the best solution for u??

better think twice...

DON'T BELIEVE IN WHAT I SAID!!!.....I M JUST TALK K!!!.....AS ALWAYS!!!...


And today i also heard a funny story fr a friend in Melaka,

He told me that he go enquire about the membership fees....the person in charge told him RM3k for initial fees n then monthly rm600.00.
But my friend told he heard from his friend that it only cost rm1k n rm200 or 300 a month??

THe person in charge said...ohh.....this is discount for those who join next year not this year...


WHAT!!!.....LIKE THAT ALSO CAN AHH!!!....WAU LAU !!!..... MELAKA BOLEH LAH!!!...


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This post has been edited by ChanK: May 20 2009, 10:26 PM

What ChanK said earlier is right! ...That is never blame an Association for not doing its job if you've not joined in. Having said that, as an Association, never say no to anyone who wishes to join even you have to put hold on it for some reasons. Just take down his particulars sincerely and tell him that Association committee will consider and get back to him in due course. Meanwhile, operation guidelines should be made easily accessible to anyone just for the benefits of all existing law abiding members. We should take stringent stand on the membership application just in case any black sheeps are to be expelled and probably with the help of local authority!

I share the same view with West Wing that joining local Association is to keep us abreast with issues like complaints from public, summons from authority, courses and seminars from government and private agencies and etc.

As for National level, we need checked and balanced approach to ensure all national policy is not tilted towards a certain group. DL group has put in a commendable effort to this end.

It is just my 2sen view though.

THE DEFINITION OF THE FEDERATION OF ASSOCIATIONS AND THE LOCALIZED ASSOCIATIONS AND THE ROLES PLAYED BY THEM

There are distinctive aspects and functions needed to be clarified and defined to differentiate the roles of the localized associations and the national level association or Federation of associations. One is the daily local issue of complaints made against the BHs faced by the local councils which needed to be tackled swiftly and effectively to prevent a small fire to develop into inferno beyond control that might result into a public uproar from the locals. This can only be conveniently handled and tackled by the localized associations in their respective township.

The national association or the Federation of the associations or united associations is an organization formed with members representing and appointed by the numerous localized associations from all parts of the country. The function of this national association is to act as a bridge between the Federal Govt and all the BH owners to negotiate, supervise and check on the Govt on the various intended national policies on the bird’s nest industry for a win-win. Therefore the committee sitting in the national association are also normally committee of a localized association in their respective town. There is no conflict of interest. It is just like the Federation of the Chinese Assembly Halls and the Federation of the Chinese Chamber of Commerce. The Federation of the Bird’s Nest Association would never reject any localized association to join them. Why should it do that? The more the merrier as it reflects on the strength of the Federation. There is no conflict of interest among all the associations except that there could be some personality clashes of individuals. Therefore by all means, all localized associations should be encouraged to join in the Federation to share out their opinions and visions. More heads is always better than less heads. The association kick start by DL’s group will definitely join in the Federation to contribute after everything is proper unless the Federation is also another SENDIRIAN BERHAD.

Whereas in all the big and small townships, it all depends on the necessity such as in a small township of Taiping, Kemaman,Pekan or Telok Intan, a single localized association with sincere and committed committee to serve the members is already good enough and effective. However, if it is in a bigger city like Kuantan, even with 2 associations is not efficient and sufficient to handle. Moreover, some of the older associations are known to be association ‘sendirian berhad’ controlled and dictated by some dead wood with hidden evil agenda and self interests. They only select in new members who cannot be seen smarter than them and thus would not threaten their positions. These are the open secrets. That is the main reason why these old associations until today, the membership is still in the tens despites the local BH owners already numbered a few hundreds to over a thousand. So, what choice has the other none member owners sought? They are forced to form new one to fend for own rights. Always bear in mind, there must be valid reason or reasons why these controversial associations’ membership are so low or why no new owners want to join them and instead prefer to go through hardship to start new ones. In the north, there are two state level associations already existed for not less than 5 years, yet the membership is only between 30 to 50 despites there is no less than few thousands BHs in their respective state. If you don’t believe, go and check it out.

When you come to big states like Sarawak, there exist no less than 10 associations. It is a necessity as you don’t expect committee from Kuching to fly up to Miri to attend to problems. Similarly, there are many localized associations in Perak, Kelantan, Trengganu, Pahang, Johore etc.

For owners who own BHs in different townships and states may need to be members for numerous associations in order to have their interest taken care of.

In my opinion, it is definitely to the advantage of this industry that if possible, there should have at least one localised association in each town to liaise effectively with the local council or district office. This is analogical to the Teochew, Hakka or Hokkian associations found in almost all the towns in Malaysia. If this is achieved, problems faced today would drastically reduce and all owners and town folks can have good night sleep again.

If the association is sincere, we must understand the situation when they required more fund to maintain the association.

Renting office space, paying utilities bills, secretary salary and etc. All these requires money.

Take for example in Selangor, initial when they set up the association, we are required to pay initial entrance of RM2600.00 and subsequently RM600 a month. With only a handful of members, I never hesitated to pay it up eventhough i am still new to the industry.

And in order to attract more members, they have resorted to reduce the entrance n yearly contribution to rm1xxx (i forgot how much) and rm250 a year. But if u cares to see their account, it is not enough.

With each town to have a local association, the state association will not be burden by local issues and they can concentrate in dealing with the govt.

It cost lower in setting up a local association, with 7 volunteers and to have a place ( not necessary to have an office, just get a space in a local coffee shop will do actually). This is far more effective as Lucas1 mentioned.

The only problem is to find these volunteers, most of them only use their mouth, when comes to need them to do something...they all cabut!!!.

And if you ask me guess, how many of u will join a national association set up by DL, i think 99% will want to join his association but when ask for volunteers to help out, all will becomes quiet.

Thats why those that still stick around (which state i do not wish to elaborate here) and naturally have their own hidden agenda. They are making use of the association for their own benefits as all farmers are all well...more politely...a fool !!...

By telling all this stuffs here is hopefully the younger generation of farmers will participate in association matters and dont let this old dogs playinig a fool with your futures.

They think we are all a fool that can be manipulate easily!!....

Understand fools??..this including me lah!!!...

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This post has been edited by ChanK: May 21 2009, 10:11 AM

Now for some entertainment on swiftlets. By the way, how many of you haves seen swiftlets making love. I have seen it but then I believe that they are making love in the sky or look like they are doing it but it was so fast ...just few seconds and then they are separated. I think in their mind is only making babies like we human used to say.

Do they have sex in the BH? but I guess not otherwise, the lady bird will scream " You are hurting me with your sharp claws!!!, dear".

Guys, there is a wireless broadband service provider RF approach me for installing their poll on top my building. Question is, any effect to birds?

New Improved Love Potion To Increase NESTS from james

hi,all sifu here,i have one question,is it the love potion very useful????

any one use it b4???how about it???if useful then i will buy more this potion for my family..

actually how to make the potion ?????thanks...


i see the potion from james blog....

This post has been edited by sosos: May 22 2009, 09:07 AM

I have come across a kind of 'food source generator' which in principle throws food into the air inside BH for swiftlets to catch and eat, thereby saving the trouble to go out to hunt for food. Do you think this is a good idea ?

How do you source the continuous supply of "food" (flying insects) If the "food" is not in life form and doesn't fly, it will drop to the floor, then another headache to clean the floor to prevent attracting predators. Care to elaborate further how it actually works ??

the sources of food is the problem. what they actually eat ,likes and dislike?

we may give the wrong food

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Added on May 22, 2009, 12:16 pmthe sources of food is the problem. what they actually eat ,likes and dislike?

we may give the wrong food


This post has been edited by Semuabumi: May 22 2009, 12:16 PM

WITH US DOLLARS EXPECTED TO DROP LIKES NO MAMA ( IT IS NOW RM3.455 TO USD1.00)...HONG KIES WILL SQUEEZE THOSE PROCESSORS LIKED NO MAMA TOO FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS....

BE PREPARE TO SQUEEZE BY THE MIDDLE MAN AS WELL.....

U TANYA SAYA.....JUAL SECEPAT MUNGKIN LOH......MANA ADA NAIK LAGI....


AI YO...ITU SUDAH LAMA TECKNIK LAH.....KAN ADA SATU BODOH FARMER NAK APPLY PATENT UTK LONTAR MAKANAN TU!!....ITU APA NAMA?? AHH....SOH HARRI KAN??...

LONTAR APA MAKANAN....INSECTS LAH...

NAK TAU APA MAKANAN WALET NAK MAKAN??....TENGOK YOUTUBE LAH!!!....

AI YO....LAGI CHAT OLD TEKNIK KAH NIH??.......


JOKING..EHHE...

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Added on May 22, 2009, 5:51 pmOK. tentang AROMA, ini adalah catatan lama dari Trubus tentang AROMA :

Sila enjoy ( Di petik dari i punya blog posted 08 dulu....ai ya old time story again lah)..

Selama 2 tahun rumah walet di Mojokerto, Jawa Timur, itu kosong melompong. Padahal, persyaratan lingkungan makro dan mikro-kelembapan, suhu, pencahayaan-dipenuhi. 'Sudah dipancing pakai air bekas cucian sarang, tapi nihil,' ujar BM Wawan. Namun, baru seminggu memakai ramuan pemikat walet dengan campuran rumput laut, suara cericit si liur emas itu mulai terdengar di dalam rumah.

Air cucian sarang hanya satu dari sekian cara yang pernah diupayakan BM Wawan untuk memikat walet. Pengusaha kelontong di Surabaya itu pernah pula mengoleskan telur bebek ke dinding. Bahkan menebar air kotoran walet ke lantai rumah walet. 'Itu sudah dikombinasi dengan CD player untuk mengundang walet,' ujarnya. Namun, segala upaya itu belum menuai hasil.

Titik terang muncul setelah Wawan menggunakan ramuan campuran sarang walet dan rumput laut. Kombinasi bau amis keduanya mujarab memancing walet masuk. Tak perlu disemprotkan ke dinding, ramuan itu hanya dioleskan memakai kuas pada lagur. 'Seminggu setelah dioleskan ada walet yang masuk,' katanya. Bahkan saat dicoba pada bangunan walet lain miliknya, walet masuk dalam tempo 3 hari.
Rumput laut

Menurut Agung Santoso, peternak di Mojokerto, rumput laut dapat menghasilkan bau amis yang tidak membuat walet pergi. 'Bau amisnya tidak keras, tapi bisa tahan lama sampai berbulan-bulan karena menyerap di pori-pori kayu,' kata Agung yang sudah meneliti formula itu sejak 1995. Begitu aroma amis di lagur hilang, walet tetap bertahan di sarangnya.

Sarang walet dan rumput laut memang bahan baku utama ramuan itu. Sekitar 100 g sarang dicuci bersih sebanyak 3 kali selanjutnya sarang itu direndam air selama semalam. Sarang kemudian dihancurkan hingga lembut dengan blender. Selanjutnya tambahkan 50 g rumput laut dan campuran itu direndam air sebanyak 5 liter.

'Perendaman dilakukan selama kira-kira sebulan,' ujar pengusaha yang sukses menernakkan walet itu. Hasil terbaik bila didapat air rendaman menjadi keruh dan berwarna kekuningan. Bau amisnya tercium lembut. Air rendaman itu kemudian disaring untuk membuang ampas sarang dan rumput laut. 'Yang dipakai hanya air rendaman saja,' katanya.

Cairan pemikat walet itu harus segera dioleskan pada lagur. Musababnya bila didiamkan terlalu lama, lebih dari 2 minggu, bau amisnya berubah, tidak tercium segar. 'Ini dapat terjadi pula bila perendaman dilakukan sampai 2 bulan,' ujar Agung. Bila cairan itu dipaksa untuk digunakan, walet tidak akan terpikat. Untuk itu perlu takaran yang pas agar ramuan tidak terbuang percuma. Dari pengalaman Agung cairan pemikat sebanyak 5 liter cukup untuk dioleskan pada 2 rumah walet berukuran 10 m x 20 m.

Pemakaian sarang utuh untuk bahan campuran memang mahal. Untuk itu Agung menyarankan sarang remukan yang harganya Rp1-juta-Rp1,5-juta/kg 'Bisa juga dipakai sarang sriti,' kata Agung. Rumput laut dapat dibeli di pasar tradisional. Harganya cukup murah sekitar Rp60.000-Rp70.000/kg.
Tenang

Ramuan pemikat walet sebetulnya mudah ditemui di pasaran. Namun, tidak semua ramuan itu efektif menjerat walet untuk masuk. Selain sarang sebagai bahan utama, campuran lain yang dipakai adalah kombinasi air kotoran walet dan minyak ikan. Itu yang dilakukan oleh Ade H. Yamani di Karawang. Namun, cairan pemikat itu harus disemprotkan ke seluruh permukaan dinding agar bekerja efektif.

Menurut Hary K Nugroho memancing walet memang gampang-gampang susah. 'Tanpa dipancing walet dapat datang asalkan kondisi lingkungan rumah walet tenang,' ujar pemilik Eka Walet Center di Kelapagading, Jakarta Utara, itu. Tenang berarti jauh dari hiruk-pikuk kegiatan manusia. Itu pula yang terjadi pada walet-walet yang menetap di gua tepi pantai.

Pendapat senada disampaikan Agung. 'Hasilnya akan lebih bagus jika lingkungan tidak ada gangguan,' katanya. Apalagi jika peternak memperhatikan arah masuk dan keluar burung. 'Posisi lubang keluar dan masuk harus searah terbang walet,' ujar Agung. Harap mahfhum itu akan membuat walet merasa aman sehingga saat cairan pemikat dioleskan, Collocalia fuciphaga itu lekas masuk. (A. Arie Raharjo)


Hello...kita semua yg jual aroma bukan scientist lah.....

Kita tak tau apa apa pun...hanya kita buat ujian utk dapat formula yg kita rasa adalah effektif utk menarik burung tinggal dan buat sarang...

Mana ada Hormone ke...potion ke...apa itu???....u ingat kita einstein ke??

Barang kita pakai adalah semua organic!!!.....

Yg u sudah dengar...seaweed, sarang sriti, sea coconut, Fish oil, Feather oil, telur walet, sarang walet, bulu walet, bulu sriti.... apa apa oil..nah!!..itulah Hormone yg kita cakap tu!!....

Lagi apa...ahh....ni satu saya belum try....Fish sauce buatan Thailand ataupun Vietnam...cuba tu.....

bosan lah...nak repeat semua barang lama nih...

macam orang cina cakap....` Gang bodoh lama mati, Ada lagi gang bodoh baru!!! ' ...no ending story loh..

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This post has been edited by ChanK: May 22 2009, 05:51 PM

I don't know about the negative effect on the birds but I do know about the negative effect on human. Around my area, the residents are up in arm against the telecomunication company trying to install the transmitter up in the area. The owner of the building has recieved so many nasty calls that will cause you sleepy nights. I won't want to offend the residents around my BH area and if the birds keep coming, you really don't want the extra publicity from the transmitter which may cause cancer from the radiation.....

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Added on May 23, 2009, 1:10 pmIf you are looking for "Food Source Generator", I could recomend you one that is free and don't cause you a penny to use. Move a termites hill near to your BH and you will have a life time Swiftlets Food Generator for free. Promised no maintenance and trouble free.

Every time before the rain, just sit and watch the swiftlets go crazy over the sky and I have seen thousands of swiftlets going after flying termites and you need to see it to believe it. If you put the termites hill into your entrance hole, do you know how many birds will fly in and out but then, as in everything, nothing is free and you need to pay; for this time your pay with your meranti planks...hahahaha...just for fun, no offence, pls............

This post has been edited by West Wing: May 23 2009, 01:10 PM

You right, this is my main concern too. Neighborhood surely will complained but together with objection onto the swiftlet operation. Anyway, i had turn down their offer. So i takecare swiftlet and swiftlet will takecare me back by hard work making nest to pay back me. Hehe.

Too bad I don't have a picture. Anyway, i will try my best to describe it in simple way.
The food is in protein-based tiny tablets form (similarly in size to koi fish food ). Hundreds are released on a timer to the air by air pump and collected back via a big funnel below for those not consumed by birds back to the main food box. The principle is just like the water circulation process in fountain.
With this machine, birds don't have to go out anymore to source for food. The ecology is being changed! Is it OK? I can appreciate the pros, but I don't know the cons.

Pakan Pelontar namanya...Sudah di pakai indonesianlah.
Somehow the birds still go far out to play ,nothing change the ecology.when u will have more than 10kg farm u can do that else,extra feeding in enuf

SARAWAK SWIFTLET FARMING BREAKING NEWS :!!!!


PLEASE WATCH ASTRO BERNAMA NEWS CH502 TONIGHT @ 8PM (23TH MAY)

TONIGHT!!!


INI NEWS PAKAI BANYAK WANG OHH!!!...


SPREAD THIS NEWS TO ALL FARMERS...FRIENDS......GIRL FRIENDS...

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Added on May 23, 2009, 6:36 pmRECORD IT N POST IT TO YOUTUBE FOR THE WORLD TO SEE...


REMEMBER THAT OHH!!!..



This post has been edited by ChanK: May 23 2009, 06:36 PM

DL advised the following msg be spread through sms to all BH owners in Malaysia:-

Sarawak swiftlet farming breaking news, please refer Astro Bernama News ch502 @ 8pm, May 23 Sat,onwards. Pl spread msg to all.
Sarawak 养燕/燕屋重要新闻, 請看Astro Bernama 502台, 今晚8奌正開始,(23.05.09) 星期六

DL informed that the above news making is actually initiated by a group of Sarawak BH owners led by Mr J. They contributed 30 to 40 k to a ‘company’ to arrange for the above news to break through the news blockage to the public.

Previously, end of last year, they did the same thing plus quietly engaged some ‘PROFESSIONALS’ to do the ‘lobbying’ with and to ‘educate’ the VVIPs and the respective heads of departments in West M’sia for a national guidelines favouring the whole BH industry in Malaysia. In total, they spent a few hundred K. The latest Perancang proposal with many initial stringent and un-reasonable proposals and red tapes dropped off but still not that satisfactory yet is actually the result of the silent hard works and financial contributions of these owners of Sarawak. NOT AS CLAIMED BY CERTAIN ASSOCIATIONS IN PENINSULAR RECENTLY THAT THEY DID IT ALL. They only chipped in and to harvest the fruit when it is about to ripe.

Could someone please have the news recorded and post up in all the websites. It is only slightly more than a minute.

who know what the news showing?
I am busy, cant watch the news.

The news is continue tonight 8pm (May 24, 09), please stay tune with the Ch502 Astro Bernama News. Thanks.