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swift4ever
post May 13 2009, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(Engineer Lee @ May 11 2009, 12:20 AM)
I have a few questions.

1) No BH in town effective from when?

2) If I were to construct a new BH now, it has to be away from town right?

3) Existing town BH ranchers are considered very lucky coz they have the privilege newbies do not, right?

4) is this meaning that the existing town BH ranchers can continue playing their music loud right? But the door is close for newbies who are willing to comply with the guidelines right?

5) Only the association can determine who can "cari makan" right?
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Eng. Lee, the way you asked me makes me feel this news is not good enough?! Well, I do apologize for not giving you a good answer in your PM regarding the swiftlet BH license issue in Johor because I'm just ordinary farmer like you only a few years senior than you and honestly, I don't even know since when and how the year 2012 was fixed for us to move out of town. For Q2, if it's ghost town where you still can retrieve with ease you money lost there a few days ago. go ahead be the pioneer, save the town! Q3, Existing BH ranchers may have the privilege but can they be successful is another issue. More failed farms we heard so far. Q4, Door should never be close to newbies who are willing to comply no matter how hard our pioneers have worked to save this industry. Just like birds, free to fly in the open sky and stay anywhere they like and loud music doesn't necessarily bring them to stay.Q5, I encourage all to join the Association if the Association can help us to "cari makan" - that is to resolve all problems pertaining to the industry.

I read your blog about the Swiftlet Hotel. The
Swiftlet Hotel in Segamat is the highest in the world I believe. I heard it has been sold?



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post May 13 2009, 02:18 PM

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Does anyone knows where to buy humidifier in klang valley?

You info is very much appreciated.

Thank you.

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post May 13 2009, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(vegachia @ May 12 2009, 12:07 PM)
yup,they playing above my dog cannel and kolam ,and some bird attempt fly near to the entrance door ,but they just flying near the door and pusing balik,may be i havent open sound ,so they scare flying in,and my worker also inside the BH.

at that time ,i climb up to my kolam and dog cannel,they seem dun scare me,and just flying above my head,after they found me ,then they flying far abit from me,actually what happend for this view?

is good or bad sign??

is that all new bh is like that???
successful bh also is like that???
thanks

if got 88bird flying ,then how many % my bh will successful?
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When those birds found you,they sure will fly away from u..this is common lah. Got 88birds playing..a very good figure..88=fatt..that mean u will very fatt lor.Ha ha...

Friend..those birds are outside,your BH will only be successful if they stay inside.

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QUOTE(swift4ever @ May 13 2009, 10:12 AM)
The Swiftlet Hotel in Segamat is the highest in the world I believe. I heard it has been sold?
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Sold by banker at ringgit 9 million to Tangkak Big Boss

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post May 13 2009, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(tongserseng @ May 13 2009, 02:52 PM)
Sold by banker at ringgit 9 million to Tangkak Big Boss
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I thought all these while that the authorities never allow BH over 5 stories high. Maybe, I am wrong and hope that I am wrong cos....I will just need one such BH and I can live happily ever after. Wau...the entrance should be at least 10 by 20 to cater for such a big traffic of birds and maybe need traffic light to ensure no accident...ha.hahahaha


About the new guidelines, we will have to wait to see if there will be no changes and we can't tell as it may be another guidelines and another.....takut nanti sakit jantung.. As chinese saying, "KUAN" word has 2 mouths and we could only pray for goodness and kindness and hope that our brothers could stand up and defend the industry.
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post May 14 2009, 03:09 AM

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i'm very agree with west wing
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post May 14 2009, 11:56 AM

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2012... less than 3 years.

how will we be able to know when and if the new guideline is out? i am assuming this will include or apply to standalone units... despite what one speaker from kementerian perumahan & kerajaan tempatan said (agriland BH not under their jurisdiction). Maybe he said that just to make us feel good...

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Again, should do some campaigning.
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post May 14 2009, 04:53 PM

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Illegal extension need to be very careful as one of our friend here got a letter from the authorities to demolished the extension of another floor without the approval within 2 weeks from the notice. Don't know what will happen as the owners will need to discuss the matter with the authorities. All the Association can do is wait and see......and cannot interfere as it has nothing to do with Swiftlets ranching/sanctuary.

Failure to comply can be fine up to 100K and Rm1K per day then after..........therefore the safest way is not to make any external modification to your town BHs. What's cannot be seen, cannot be taken action against.....no proof. All will be safe until the authorities want to issue licenses for BH, then they will need to enter to inspect your BHs to process your application.

That's my opinion.....

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Lucas 1
post May 15 2009, 03:37 AM

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HEI......... I AM GLAD I AM BACK..............ONLY FOR A SHORT WHILE.........


1) We are too tired of repeating our numerous advices in this forum previously to all BH owners in M’sia that it is to their long term benefit and welfare to either join in the existing Associations or to form one in their respective towns. Only with UNITY, we have strength, with strength, we are strong. When we are strong, the Government and the politicians would then respect us for we are their bosses who elected them. If they try to be funny and don’t live up to expectation to serve the bosses and do the right and good things for the bosses, then we just change them in the next election.


2) Stop quarrelling and talking selfishly and emphasising only on own immediate MICRO short term interest and be chickened and ‘kowtow’ to those impractical bureaucratic red tapes in the formulating of the ‘GARISPANDUAN’ prepared and proposed by certain unscrupulous Govt quarters and supported or collaborated by certain representatives from Associations with selfish hidden agenda known to themselves and claimed to represent all the BH owners.

3) If you don’t agree to the leaders in the existing Associations in your township and doubted their sincerity and agenda, no one stops you to vote them out or to form another new one. You can be member to different associations concurrently. There is no law to say that you cannot have more than one association in the same town or state. Good examples are Pahang, Johore, Sarawak, Kelantan, Seramban etc. Sarawak has no less than 10 associations, Perak, at least 3, Pahang, 4, Johore, 5. More protem associations are forming. It is always to your advantage to join in an association to protect your long term investment. A few localised associations have proven doing very well by working very closely and amicably with the local councils. They managed to resolve problems and confine the situations before they got out of hand. They are very efficient indeed.

4) It takes only more than ten members to start an association. How to know and get to the other BH owners in town? Very simple, just pass out hand bills with your intention and contact stated into all the BH post box in your town. Be very sincere and committed with no personal agenda, you will find these new friends give you the support. What you need to do is to get a company secretary to do the necessary applications to the Registrar of Societies. You can immediate function as a protem association even without approval. We do not agree to those pioneer associations asking for thousand or thousands of entrance fees and annual subscription of few hundred per member. Giving the impression as if it is a rich men club. We consider that this is not fair as some members or committee own many units of BHs and pay the same to those who own only one or half storey. We have a better suggestion that since most towns have at least a few hundred BHs these days. We recommend that entrance fees be set between RM300 to RM500 per member. The annual subscription is set at between RM10 to RM 20 per BH per month owned by the member. So, those who own more BHs shall pay more. With the few hundred BHs, it should yield in a few thousand ringgit per month to help maintain a small office with a full or part-time executive secretary to help service the members. Don’t you all think that this is a fairer solution? You don’t expect the committee who are volunteers to work full time for free all the time. We do know of some of the existing pioneer associations’ presidents, chairmen or committee are having tens to hundred of BHs under them and yet they are paying the same subscription as those who own only one or the 1st and new one with no shit yet and thus no income. This could be one of the main reasons why many newbies to the industry refuse to join in as this is definitely unfair to them. There are a few old associations with very little memberships known to many as ASSOCIATION SENDIRIAN BERHAD which refuse to take in new members. It is very easy to prevent cheating as you pay according to the number of BHs with addresses registered with the association officially. Only those BHs registered entitled to assistance from the associations. Very soon, the authority would insist that only those BHs registered with associations would be allowed to apply for license or at least through the associations’ recommendation. The authority is moving towards into contemplating to let the associations to help handle and resolve the complaints received from the public. To us, we think this is a more reasonable and practical idea for permanent solution.

5) If you were to ask us, we think that it is good, healthy and for all the convenience to have a localised association set up in every district or township for easy communication and cooperation among the members. They can have closer relationship with their local councils and politicians and thus easier to resolve their local problems faster and effectively. Also, it will not be that taxing on the committee. As to the state or national issues, each local association can always send a few of their committee to have association with the other nearby associations to jointly tackle. We know of true incidents which council officers sent to look for owners of BHs received official complaints of blasting external sound at nights due to faulty timers or water sipping through to the neighbours. But the owners lived out-station whom no local knew of. So, the officers had no choice but to leave a notice. The owners only appeared after one month for the harvesting. Just imagine the ugly scenario. The complainants after a week of complaint openly accused the officers of being either corrupted or lazy to do their job. The whole council jumped and thus from then onwards become very unfriendly to all BH operating and started to find fault. So, who is to be blamed? Yes, those black sheep. But, could the black sheep be you unintentionally one fine day due to faulty equipment? Let’s say, in a township with 400 BHs exist, if averagely, every BH by accident or by chance totally with no intention of the owner causes only one nuisance in a period of 2 years. It takes only every 2 days to arouse a complaint to the council. If your close by neighbour operates a BH near to your resident and the owner comes only once a month, and the timer becomes faulty, would you smile to him when you see him or you would really jump on him despites you are also another BH owner? So, be considerate and seriously start thinking of a permanent practical solution.

6) If you don’t agree with any of the proposed or even firmed term and condition inside the GARISPANDUAN which you find it impractical, unreasonable or redundant, you can always go through your association to request a meeting or dialogue with the authority to voice it out and insist it be amended. Remember, it is our citizen basic democratic right under the laws. If the authority concerned refuses to entertain a legal and justified request for no good apparent reason, you can send in memorandum to higher authority to request same with valid reasons. If this still fails, then be united and exercise your citizen right to stage peaceful protests till the battle is won.

7) This is how the battles were won in Penang and Manjung, Perak in 2005 and 2006 respectively in which many unreasonable terms and conditions were shot down and the BH licenses immediately issued after many tiring negotiations, protests and picketing organised by the taskforce led by DL. In 15.10.2005, no less than 500 BH owners turned up to attend and supported DL in the dialogue session with the Penang state Govt headed by the former Exco Dato Teng in Butterworth. The best part was the authority gave DL less than 24 hours notice for the meeting. DL just sent out sms to a few key men. The dialogue was not fruitful and thus a spate of peaceful protests and picketing across the mainland of Penang by the hundreds of owners sprung up nightly and these were widely covered in the media. Finally, the authority succumbed and agreed to the BH owners’ terms and conditions and license issued by early 2006.

8) In Manjung, Perak, a similar dialogue was held in March 2006, DL and the taskforce mediated the meeting with the former Exco, Dato Chang represented the former BN Govt and Dato Nga, the then former opposition leader and present Senior Exco of Perak, represented certain group of the local owners. The turnout was a few hundreds. But this time, the meeting went on amicably and fruitful with both Dato Chang and Dato Nga discussed very gentlemanly and favourably for the owners in Perak. The licenses thus later issued across the state. Thanks to both the YBs. The Daerah of Kerian was considered the best model till today as totally no bureaucratic procedures and red tapes required in the issuance of the licenses. And most license fee was only RM 200. This was also negotiated by DL and his taskforce.(For those new to this industry, please check with the old timers in Parit Buntar or refer and read up the COMPREHENSIVE REPORT ON THE M’SIA BIRD NEST INDUSTRY written by DL posted here before under the V1 or go to W.O.S.G. or some old timers here who have it, please re-post for the benefit of those who are new)

9) Remember, never bow down to unreasonable threats or impractical terms and conditions from any authority. None of us is doing illegal thing. We are merely investing in a legal industry and trade sent by god for a decent living hood which is very beneficial to both the people and the country in very long term but simply too new to the authority. Be brave to speak up for your legal rights and what you think is reasonable and best. But remember, you must give valid and logic reasons to back your objections or proposals. Most Govt officials and officers are professionals and highly trained with experience to serve and help the people. But not necessary they all know this trade well. Only a handful is black sheep with hidden agenda to do thing high handled. For those who are genuinely innocent, inexperienced and ignorant and made mistakes, be patient to guide them, educate them and make them see the truth and reasons. We are pretty sure most are reasonable and will amend and accept. For those, after knowing the truth still stubborn and egoistic to persist the wrong doing, then we are not given the choice, but to make proper and without bias complaint to the higher authority with carbon copied to all related parties with accurate and truthful facts and without fear and be firm. Don’t do it quietly behind the door. Publicize it through media and let more people know your justified complaint. You will be amazed that the higher the authority, the more professional and understanding they are. That is the main reason why they are the higher authority. If necessary, you may even need to bring it right to the Minister or the Prime Minister where the problem will definitely be resolved for win-win if you have the stamina. It is their duty. Do not compromise with wrongs and evils and the LITTLE NAPOLEONS. Expose them. Don’t worry that these idiots will revenge or sabotage on you. The harder and firmer you are and also if only you are right, these Little Napoleons will be even more scared and will not dare to try further as they are more vulnerable if situation gets higher and out of hand. They will succumb to your undisputable rights and firmness.

10) We remember the former Pengarah Bangunan of MPSP, Penang was hell of trouble giving to the owners and in fact, he was the root of the mess of the controversial licensing issue in Penang till today. Very unprofessional and incorrigible he was. He abused the power and misled the former regime to cause a lot of hardship and nightmares to the owners since early days. He was the one that abused the power acted like hooligan and illegally bulldozed the 1st two BHs in the history in Malaysia which resulted the MPSP being sued. He was not only a Little Napoleon but a local SULTAN. You know what has happened to him today? An investigation was conducted on him by the new Penang Govt in early this year after receiving too many suspected corruption practises against his department; he quit the job in March. He may think that he is already off the hook but we understand that the Penang Govt is still pursuing the case. We wish he could sleep well. Well, he should reserve more. This is KARMA. Understand that many heads of departments could be facing the music and KARMA soon too. Evil can never triumph too long. It is just a matter of time for JUDGEMENT DAY to the evils.


11) So, my dear BH owner brothers and sisters of multi-race and one Malaysian, set aside our differences and be united and stand up and stand out now before too late and jointly let us do something once and for all to fend our rights by bravely speak out together to the authority what is best for a win-win situation. Tell them, we want and will happily cooperate with the authority to set proper guidelines for self regulating as we are not doing anything that is illegal but we do not want all the bureaucratic lengthy procedures with red tapes to involve so many unnecessary departments for the sanction and redundancy in the issuance of only PBT LESEN PREMIS under the local council to avoid prematurely killing this new found and god sent golden goose. Why couldn’t the Govt just treat this PASSIVE investment and trade just like any other ordinary petty trade and have it classified under PETTY TRADE AND COTTAGE INDUSTRY like what Daerah of Kerian did? We are merely talking of a simple PBT LESEN just to justify and legalise a simple and NEW passive trade in which all the poor rural and kampong folks can also share in and enjoy too. Why must the Govt complicate something that is in fact, a simple and straight forward? By insisting to impose so many bureaucratic red tapes to harness and tie down this trade, this makes this industry become the exclusive darling to only the rich and the affordable and thus deprive the middle to lower income rural and kampong folks who form 80% of the population in Malaysia to share in this god-sent wealth. Is this what a good, smart, wise, efficient, effective, caring and always claim to have the people especially the poor’s’ interest and welfare at heart Government should do to its people? How does and how could our Govt keep up what it repeatedly and numerously mentioned and promised that it wants to wipe out poverty in this country? It vows to strengthen and improve the civil services and its effectiveness by cutting down and slim-lining all unnecessary bureaucratic red tapes to allow more competitiveness against neighbouring countries in survival globally? By the top political leaders just using mouths and slogans alone without the civil servants’ sincere and committed action to support all this while does not naturally improve and get us far. In fact, the situation is worsening as time passes. Our economy is getting hit worst. Our beloved Malaysia is lagging further and further behind. Let us emphasise to our Govt just in case it does not realise that this could be the only viable and feasible opportunity for the Govt to fulfil its manifesto without incurring huge financial burden to help narrow down the poverty gradually if rural folks are also given the opportunity and encouraged to participate in this trade which can self sustain itself naturally without requiring the Govt’s long term and constantly spoon feedings. Please, just give us the simplest treatment and convenience. We don’t need any special treatment from the involvement of too many departments. Are they here to help us or to kill us with a slow death????????







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Lucas,

Good points.


Pls Join respective bn association in your local town. if not, set up one.


sleep early lah....dont always burn midnight oil!!!.....nanti minyak habis ohh... biggrin.gif



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Lucas 1 is still alive!!!! Thank God!

Yeah, you said it man. But i thought it only needs 7 members to start off an association. Maybe i got my facts wrong.

Unity, heck, that summarizes things nicely. 1Swiftlet??? Someone should come up with a motto. At least for this thread.
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QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ May 15 2009, 07:14 PM)
Lucas 1 is still alive!!!! Thank God!

Yeah, you said it man. But i thought it only needs 7 members to start off an association. Maybe i got my facts wrong.

Unity, heck, that summarizes things nicely. 1Swiftlet??? Someone should come up with a motto. At least for this thread.
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In any BHs areas, it shall be very easy to atart an Association and it is just that no one want to take the initiative to start one. Like our Association, we started off with 30 members and one year later, we have over a hundred. Congratulation to Dungun, Dungun just started one and I believe as we talk, more localized Associations have been formed and membership will increase like the birdnests......... one BH Association for each town to cater for local problem and to join the federal Association to show support but just one most importance thing is that we all must stand united

Every BH owner will join as all are afraid and feel lost of direction plus just don't know what to do....waiting for someone to take the lead.......oh yes, it only tke 7 to kick off.....
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I went to jalan pasar (KL) yesterday to survey the latest sound system for BH. Wah lau, as soon as I stepped down from my car, I can hear the familiar bird chirping sound already. I felt like I was in Kota Bharu. They was one shop even installed tweeters at the shop entrance (the kaki lima) and played the bird chirp sound. About 70% of the shops I visited carried all sort of amplifier/player, tweeters, cctv, and etc specially for BH. Some shops even pre-installed various type of demo tweeters for customers to test the sound quality on the spot. I saw 2 swiftlet kakis testing the amps and tweeters in a shop.
The prices if you were to ask me.....much cheaper than ------
The ever growing BN's industry really gives the electronic merchants in Jalan Pasar a very big economic boost.

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ May 16 2009, 04:37 PM)
I went to jalan pasar (KL) yesterday to survey the latest sound system for BH. Wah lau, as soon as I stepped down from my car,  I can hear the familiar bird chirping sound already. I felt like I was in Kota Bharu. They was one shop even installed tweeters at the shop entrance (the kaki lima) and played the bird chirp sound. About 70% of the shops I visited carried all sort of amplifier/player, tweeters, cctv, and etc specially for BH. Some shops even pre-installed various type of demo tweeters for customers to test the sound quality on the spot. I saw 2 swiftlet kakis testing the amps and tweeters in a shop.
The prices if you were to ask me.....much cheaper than ------
The ever growing BN's industry really gives the electronic merchants in Jalan Pasar a very big economic boost.
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Thanks, will try to be there and I haven't been there before? Maybe GPS will lead me to Jalan Pasar....
cos I just love electronics items....appreciated

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URGENT MESSAGE FROM DAVID LIM


To all BH owners in the state of Kedah,

The Kedah PR Govt is now discussing the state guidelines on the issuance of BH license with the State Perancang which is under the Federal Govt. Twice previously the proposals by the Perancang was shot down by the Kedah Govt as it was considered too stringent and not benefitting the people esp those in the rural and kampong. The Kedah Govt proposes all BHs’ applications be submitted through the associations for better control and management by this year. Mr David Lim and his taskforce is requested and tasked to assist in forming a PROTEM PERSATUAN RUMAH WALET KEDAH, (PROTEM KEDAH SWIFTLET HOUSE OWNERS ASSOCIATION)( 吉打州燕屋屋主公会) to help the Kedah owners.

As Kedah is a rather big and wide state, in order to service and attend to the members better, the protem committee is proposing to divide the state into 3 sectors UNDER SUB-COMMITTEE, namely, UTARA, TENGAH and SELANTAN.( 吉北,吉中,吉南) There will be an office rented or tumpang with either a full time or part-time executive secretary assisting the sub-committee in their respective sector. The centre for UTARA is ALOR STAR, TENGAH is SUNGAI PETANI, and SELANTAN is KULIM.

The proposed entrance fee will be RM 350 for each new member and subscription will be RM 10/month per BH which makes a total of RM 120/BH/calendar year. Only BH registered with full subscription paid will receive assistance, recognition and endorsement from the Persatuan.

As the protem committee is very badly short handed in initial stage, we would appreciate more volunteers to come forward to assist at least temporarily till Persatuan is formed proper. IT IS BETTER YOU DECIDE YOUR OWN DESTINY THAN LETTING OTHERS TO DECIDE FOR YOU.

The taskforce will be having an open dialogue cum discussion session at the request of many owners in Kulim on 18.05.09(Mon) night @ 8.30pm at 768, Jalan Pondok Labu, Bandar Putra, Kulim.

YB Lim Soo Nee, ADUN for KULIM will grace the occasion as Advisor for the sector.

Baling, Bandar Baru, Serdang, Lunas, Padang Serai, Tasik Gelugor, Kuala Ketil etc are under Kulim sector.
As dates and times for the UTARA and TENGAH dialogue sessions will be announced in later date.

ALL BH OWNERS IN THE STATE OF KEDAH ARE WELCOME TO ATTEND TO VOICE THEIR OPINIONS AND SUGGESTIONS. MORE HEADS IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN ONE. UNITY IS STRENGTH.

Enquary: 012-4850778(DL), 019-4489966(Tang)

Please help spread the following msg:-

吉打燕屋主公会筹委会緊急召集全吉南燕主商州政府指南与礼申。居林太子城斗母宮辦事処,门牌768。18.05.09 星期一晚830PM。請轉发。林大伟

PROTEM PERSATUAN RUMAH WALET KEDAH MEETS ALL BIRDHOUSE OWNERS IN KEDAH SELATAN DISCUSS KEDAH GUIDELINES & LICENSE ON 18.05.09(MON)@830PM AT 768,BANDAR PUTRA,KULIM.PL NOTIFY ALL.DAVID LIM





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Dear Lucas 1:

Still belum tidur kah?

I will help to spread the message.

Can I attend? As I am not Kedah BH owner.

Good to hear from you again, still alive and kickin'. biggrin.gif

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Why not? Bring along your darling to come to help too. The more the volunteers the better. In fact, most of the DL's taskforce members are not BH owners. They are a group of volunteer social activists and workers who are staunch supporters and comrades to DL. Spending own time, energy and even money to help trouble shoot social problems not their own. They are here to help kick start the Persatuan as temporary protem committee and later hand it over to the respective owner-members to sustain and they just leave for other situations. They ask nothing in return except JUSTICE for all including people they dont even know.

This ad hoc meeting is decided in less than 24 hrs. You will be amazed and disbelieve how big the turnout tonight is going to be when news spread DL and his taskforce are coming to town to help organise and resolve their nightmares. Go and see to believe.
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Hi all sifu,

Its a good idea of joining the association. However, people like me may not know how to contact them. There is no website, nor that we know who to contact.

Maybe for people who know the contact of the various association may kindly post their contact here. Thank you!
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QUOTE(momolacha @ May 18 2009, 04:31 PM)
Hi all sifu,

Its a good idea of joining the association. However, people like me may not know how to contact them. There is no website, nor that we know who to contact.

Maybe for people who know the contact of the various association may kindly post their contact here. Thank you!
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Post up here to state where you are from or where your BHs are. We have friends who own BHs in almost all the states. As such they are members to almost all the associations, at least one in each state or town. We are sure there are many brothers here would reply you by posting the contact numbers of the relevant associations in your area.

If you are not happy with them, you can start one with your own group.

There is no direct monetary return except to fend for your own investment's long term interest in unity. Of course, there are black sheep under the disguise of committee trying to be consultants to the newbies or to boost their social status without really contributing to the interest of the members of the associations. Some even try to gain favour or monopoly at the expense of the other members by rubbing shoulders of the officials.

But we can see that more committed and dedicated young men with sense of righteous are appearing. These are good signs.


For those who want to know how to get to the associations in their respective area, probably you can call DL. Most associations top men know him.

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