100% agree but if you disagree and unhappy with the presnt President and BOD for their "tidak apa" attitude , try kick them out first as it is to the best of our interest that we are united as one. Too many Assoications in one town will create unnecessary problem and opinions and thus will create problems and trouble when wnat to negotiate with the authorities. First, localise and unite all BHs in your area as unity is strength.

Presently, most towns have own Associations to represent BHs but whether they are effective or not, that's the question. Join and if you and your fellow ranchers/sanctuaries providers find them useless or not doing enough, hold a EGM and request a change of leadership but if fail, then, the second option, form a new Association but do it with sincere and true heart in wanting to help fellow ranchers.

In my opinion, BH association must not only look after the welfare of the members but also to take in to consideration of the town as a whole. Please remember that we have right but others too have right and everytime must be win win in everytime we do......like I always advocate and preach to my fellow BH owners but still we have some black sheeps who never stop to annoy neighbours with their loud sound day and night. It give us so much headache until that we are even force to report to the authorities to keep them on their toes. Better we report then to let others report, then at least the authorities know that we do care and our neighbours are happy that we are concerned and care about them, too.

As usual, my humble opinions on the matter and hope all share my view on these.

Vey good inputs from West Wing. To those stubborn black sheep, the association committee has to do it this way, that is to report him to the authority first so in order to protect the interest of all other law-abiding members. We may have no choice to resolve to expel him from the association if he repeats after warnings in writing. This shall be the last resolve. Under such situation, the license of the culprit may have to be revoked.

But generally, this rarely happens as most owners are sensible.

From what i heard, only those farmers who registered with that Particular Malaysian BN assocition, and no other local , mocal kampung associations in malaysia!!!.....

You guys who join the local bn associations are all .....well...not qualified!!!...

So, join DL whether you are from Penang, SP, Kuantan, Seremban and in fact the whole malaysia!!!....




The reason given is They are the one who Negotiated with the govt to discard some of the unreasonable guidelines..well....maybe just one of them which is the relocation.....Relocation...

So, all local mocal bn associations in whole malaysia will need to apply to join The Particular Malaysian BN association in order to qualify to apply for a license!!....

And maybe i am wrong...but then why suggest to the govt that only those who registered with the a particular association is allow to apply license ??

what is the motives??

dont you think it is weird??


it is not weird, imagine with 60,000 farmers in whole malaysia, with each of them required to contribute the initial deposit to apply membership, each will need to fork out at least, RM3000.00 ( This figures is my best guess !!)...(well, this is THE millionaire Club..not Pasar malam sellers club...)...so this work out to

RM180,000,000.00


And since this is a Millionaires Club, we will need to gives a REasonable Yearly Contribution...of ..well...again my best guess....about RM1000.00 a year.


so this work out to

RM60,000,000.00 a year...


OMG!!!......this is ONE BIG FAT PIG MEAT if you ask me!!!..........



AGAIN....BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.....BETTER ACT NOW THEN LATER!!....


JOIN DL TONIGHT !!!!.....



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This post has been edited by ChanK: May 18 2009, 07:02 PM

hai CK:

can i know who is DL? sorry i am new member here.haha.

hakawei

Since this is a forum on perfecting BH meaning creating a artificial sanctuary as close to the natural environment for swiftlet but must be man friendly, too so I shall forward my share of idea in the construction of BH. Please remember that what are posted here are only my view and belief and have no ill intention.

I shall talk about roving area as alot of siwftlets lovers here talk about. To me, a roving area maybe the sky and that to me is the best of all roving area cos it's big and is natural and free. Having a roving area is only require if your birdhouse need one or otherwise the whole BH can be a nesting area. Roving area is like a boarding area for air plane where you all wait for the plane to be ready it is a waste of area but then, you need it to ensure all goes well before you all enter the plane as not to have a last minute delay.

So is our roving area, it is to ensure perfection for the nesting room. An area where the birds may build up confidence and feeling relax before really trying out your nesting area. I usually do not have a specially build roving area in my BH as I need to see if I need one or not by observing the feed back that I get from my finding on the area next to the entrance where all roving room are and the tell tales of the birds. After that, I might just decide to make one. In fact most of my modification of BH (I don't call my designs as I build my BHs in Buildings @ town that cannot satified my full inspiration of a prefect BH), the entrance area is my roving area where the birds initially will fly in and out or circle round and round. Once they are use to the internal area, the nest area become their roving area as well, they will circle and play there as well as make babies and nests.

That's a idea for those who have limited area and still thinking a good roving area which will used up alot of precious area.

Not that I am saying that I am right but that I maybe greedy and to fully utilised all the available area.

JUST A REMINDER TO ALL FARMERS IN MALAYSIA :

IT IS THE SEASON AGAIN IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.....

TAKE EXTRA PRECAUTION WITH YOUR FARM SECURITY...

JUST CAME BACK FROM ONE OF MY FARM N TURN OUT LUCKILY DUE TO BATT WEAK.......

BUT, THIS IS THE SEASON AGAIN ....SO BE EXTRA EXTRA SECURE ALL YOUR FARMS.

DL IS DAVID LIM, OUR BN LOCAL HERO , THE BN INDUSTRY, HANG TUAH!!!.....THIS ONE IS IMMORTALITY ONE...AS NO ENEMIES CAN COME NEAR HIM....AS THE WHOLE ARMY IS WITH HIM TO PROTECT HIM...



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Like to add a little more to what I have posted that we need to set up a local town Association to keep peace and have a sort of Fast Action Force similar to SEAL force, a quick action group that can jump into action without waiting for the national body to take action which by the time, we are already dead and gone and by then Nothing worth saving . Chinese saying " Far water cannot save near fire".

Start your own town Association and also unite under a state and national umbrella Association, giving the National Association the strength and power to negotiate and represent us in the national level; provided always that the national level Association leaders are not sitting on their big A** only.

Above are my own suggestion if you agree or concurred.

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Added on May 19, 2009, 5:26 pm1.Can someone teach me how to place pictures at the forum? It don't work with copy and paste, right? Please remember that what I know about posting @forum started with swiftlets and before that, nothing @ forum concern me, only fellowship as WW stand also for Wine and Women, no offend if any lady viewing my posting, HaHa Ha just joking....me, honest and clean man.

This post has been edited by West Wing: May 19 2009, 05:42 PM

I have a question.

If a BH is only 30fts away from a residential house, will it be too close? Any way that can be done to avoid nuisance? .....may be open roof design?

Nothing is too near or far if you are causing noice pollution and hygienic problems that invite complaints.

Open roof design with tweeterss pointing skyward rarely invites complaints. In fact, we are of no surprised that all the box, window, and kennel types of new or existing BHs in towns will have to be converted into open roof type as a condition eventually if license were to be approved.

it is advisable all new BHs under construction to use open roof design so you won't face future dilemma.

For your information :


http://hmswiftlets.com/Seminar.html

Lucas is correct as far as I do know cos I have advocating open roof entrance from day one and even better if your shop lot has a open air well like 10 by 30 feets; that I love the best. Use the air well as the roving area as well and once in the building, you are in business. Consultants normally will encourage dog kernel as they make more money by building one. everything they do, you pay, right?

Open air well does not disturb neighbours or create unpleasant looking structure outside.....same appearance is what the authority wanted. No modification outside. Neighbours can sleep peaceful, you can go on your BH buz happily. Another thing to remember, ensure all existing windows must be sound proof as most of you, newbizs will use internal sound 24 hours non stop but as for me, I never like to use internal sound during the night ans so far I am very successful. Use it and it's OK as long as you don't disturb your neighbours and do remember that walls do carrysound and keep your night internal sound as low as possible for God will need to bless you if you didn't. Amen

Oh La La...
It's time for newbie to get the answer

This post has been edited by kuching_farmer: May 19 2009, 09:31 PM

Any one here uses EM short for effective micro-organisms in their BHs? No one discusses it in this forum so far or are we still prefer to use the traditional way to keep our swiftlets in town? I heard of it from JOHOR BIRD'S NEST INDUSTRY MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION last year and according to them, it can do wonders in your BHs and bring good to the industry. If anyone uses it and finds it good and worth sharing HERE, pls do so as we don't to see this forum lagging behind latest techology.

This post has been edited by swift4ever: May 19 2009, 10:14 PM

You can upload picture files by using "File Attachments" feature, at the bottom most row of replying page, hope you can find it. Show us some photos please.

Btw,

"WW" symbolizes two birds (of course male and female) flying hand in hand, building nest together and living in harmony...



This post has been edited by Engineer Lee: May 19 2009, 11:12 PM

In theory, we talk a lot about roving room. and this thinking is populated by Drs Nugruho.

The theory stated that the front part of entrance hole is the roving room where swiftlets will fly down and turn, turn , turn then only enter the nesting room. The ideal size of this roving room is 12 x 12ft (minimal).

If you have a big big Mansion style farm, yes, this might be right ( even farm sized 40ft x 120ft i did not see them using the roving room that we design..), and most of the time, swiftlets never use the roving room...their roving room is up on the roof of the farm or in front of the farm. And from my observation, you will see them make circle in a radius no smaller than 6m and this works out to be at least 40ft in circle length.

For most farm(especially shop farm), basically, swiftlets considered it as their nesting room, there is no roving room !!!.....

It is that we, farmers, who always think that the front part actually is the roving room.

Well, this is my own interpretation and observation. Believe it or not.


The current discussions and also in other blogs are all going in circle, some in anticlock and some in clockwise, if you know what i mean. By discussing the same old things over and over and over again does not help this industry at all.

Why dont anyone here do some researches instead of following back those old methods !!...

Do we really need to use insecticide to control mites,ants and etc in our farm?

can't we use more organic way to kills them?

Do you really think that those china made audio equipments n tweeters are the best equipments that we can use?

Do you still think that aroma does not help in the farm?

Do you really needs to use humidifiers to control the humidity?

Do you still think that installing Alarm in the farm is a No No Solutions?

there are many many things that you guys can spend your precious time to do some study instead of keep doing, n chatting the same old thing.
Don't follow those old farmers thinking...they might not right!!....their only expertise is Harvesting....most of them...


but then, it is me talk k this morning. so, skip this post. Don't read it as it will makes you MAD!!!..

This post has been edited by ChanK: May 20 2009, 08:30 AM

I am from Malacca. Any one have joined the Swiftlet related association in Melaka? How much the fee and most importantly are they doing the job?

Yen Yen Swiftlet Farming

Don't ask anyone whether they have done their job or not. For sure, u have not done your duty as you have not registered with the association until now.

Yesterday, they came to selangor in one bus to visit selangor bn association and they discuss about the situation in melaka and how to deal with the deadline given by govt to shut down those farms in heritage area.

They even claim that most of the farmers in melaka are all their members which total abt 100++ members. this i dont think is correct.

Are u sure there are only 100+ farms in Melaka??....i doubt that figures.

Whether the president n the gang are doing their work or not, at least, we farmers, have to at least join them and then only if they are not doing their work right, u can always vote them out!!!...

Else, u will have to form a new association...which should be the last option.

Even in selangor, with high no of farms, the selangor bn association only managed to attract abt 200 or less members.

Thats why history tell us that, we chinese, are all very selfish.
TO eliminate us is easy, hentam one by one in small groups. sure menang one!!!...

Don't blame anyone for hentam u!!!....It is U who allow others to hentam U in the first place.


And they are those farmers who always gives excuses that..ahh....my farm is very new, no nest yet...what is the point of me paying n register with the association!!!....

Yeah right!!!....Brilliant!!....then since you are so smart, why you so smart throwing RM200K++ in this investment even before u see even one single Shit spot!!!!......


My USD2 cents comments...why today so free ahh....
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This post has been edited by ChanK: May 20 2009, 10:58 AM

Chank,
You know them? Can you give me their contact number?

As I always advocate that questions should be forward to the forum for all to learn, since you pm me then I need to reply you and I also will like to share my views on your questions here. Any Sifu around at forum will like to add or disagree with my views, please do so as I also learn.........

Answer to a reader @ forum:
From the pictures, your entrances to all floors are OK and now it shall be a matter of tweeters, sound and aroma to attract them to try out your BH. To stay will also depend on your interior like humidity and internal sound and temperature………no unpleasant smell to the birds.

West Wing

Hi ChanK
Are u 100% positive that a certain assocn has the authority to" qualify "a BH owner to" apply" for the licence. What about the local authority issuing the licence ,another matter , right?
If its true then we will be playing Monopoly. Seems like another exit point tax ,better than white gold! Pls call in the Ghostbusters.

Ok , sidelined a bit from the main issue. This fren went over to Sabah for golfing holiday. At nite after a good seafood dinner n a few drinks will lead to u know lah.... birds. So the sweet young thing ask him whether he wants air-cond. or not ,sure he said aircond. This lady asked him to take a shower to clean up. After he dried himself the girl took a Hacks sweet n do a b...job on him.
What is life.......George Harrison(late Beatle)