As all our feet are wet in this industry, we must support the leader who has us at heart......since our PM has openly encourage BN industry and he allows BH in towns, we need to support him for our future. If we elect the opposition, do we have any assurance that our BHs are safe from harm....kemunkinan pasti mati. Don't gamble with your lifeline and do support and back the leader that promise to allow us to retire peacefully and for our children and our own future, do not gamble, vote wisely and use your brain and not the wind. Care not what color is he but what and how he is. Even if a white man become the PM and if he do well, why not? If you go by the heart and elect a PM of your color and if he is corrupted or Anti-BHs kind and he may take you one way ticket to Timbaktu.

Remember the History of a HN man and all HN men supported him so proudly but he took all the HN men to Holland. Guess everyone knew of the story........pls no offence as my wife is also a HN and she also was one of them that got bitten. Vote wisely!!!!!!!

Yes. Agreed.

Hopefully Our PM will do the right thing this time, we, ordinary citizens do not care who is our CEO, as long as he do his job right, we are OK.

until now, he only mentioned that he will support this industry as there are many potential land in coastal area that will ALLOW bumiputra to get involve in this industry...so hopefully, he will gives his approval to legalize town farms.

The BN government is full of BROKEN promises.

If BN can do, I am sure others can too!

Just my 2 sen.

Though I've invested in Swiftlet farming, I wouldn't buy BN promise to pro bird's nest industry.
I would look at the broader picture and willing to sacrifice my BH investment even if my choice of government doesn't pro bird's nest industry but can rule Malaysia better and treat all rakyat equal just like our neighboring country.

Ben , U remind me of a v.good movie , One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest starring Jack Nicholson (won 5 academy awards).Crazy he may be but good at heart,helping the other inmates agst brutal guards. U know what, the way U r going, in no time yr BH will be filled with crazy birds doing their best- nests, nests n more nests ! U can be so contagious even those sw will behave like U. lol. All the best on yr next sw journey.

Hei Westwing, I dont know what U mean by HN but I can only guess U r referring to one with flat head. If I'm right well the 'old' HN had many stories abt him not flattering ones.
Politics? Susah , never ending talk , U got yr views I got mine n ultimately it 'll lead to animosity .
This country prospered cos of the entrepreneurial spirit of her citizens. A Malay selling good nasi lemak or mee rebus n along the way make some good money is an entrpreneur. Likewise the Indian with their good restaurants etc. U know what they dare to try n they reap their rewards. No one shd take that away. Then come this daredevil who invested in a shoplot where nobody wants to rent from him so convert it into a BH became successful. Dont underestimate the SPIRIT of these entreprenurs.They see the potential n try on their very owngut feelingwith no outside help. Why penalise them instead of nurturing this infant industry to greater heights. Very sad to repeat what the others had said.
I hope our Govt leaders can see the greater picture n look after these investments . Foreign direct investments had plummeted tremendously.Even the Govt is encouraging us,consumers to spend more to boost the economy. Bh owners already played their part, U name them we have spent on them except on China dolls.

Its good to have Ben around to lift our spirit once awhile. Yes we r in feverish mode. Pls help.

On a lighter note, this friend of mine spent a lot of his nites out with friends boozing so much so that his wife was complaining that he was neglecting her.One night she put on her sexiest negligee' n waited for him to come home from the pub . He put his arms ard her n went upstairs together, sensing that her hubby is finally in the mood for love she was excited. My fren asked her to do a handstand in front of the long big mirror.Being something new n kinky she was really thrilled.Then he put his chin in between her legs n said my friends at the pub say I look good with a beard.

Good day folks!

For 50 years so many promises to the rayak and yet can't deliver some covered up. So you think just a speech of support before by election will guarantee your children's future. Think lah .Mr. west wing? We are not budak-budak any more.

Dear Uncle Ben:

I presume that the "very light steel structure" you mentioned is structural steel.

You must have some reasons why you chose to use structural steel to construct your BH.

For a conventional RC structure BH, we only use concrete and steel bar. Structural steel is normally used for factory and warehouse.

What are the advantages?

1) Faster construction. People usually opt for this method when there is an urgency to complete the project within a very short time frame and money is not an issue. After you complete the foundation (pile caps) and ground beams, you only need a few days for the stanchions & I beam erection and composite slab casting (of course we still need to pour concrete on the metal deck formwork). The framework can be done very fast if you have efficient construction management, material delivered just-in-time and deploy experienced sub-cons, skilled workers, adequate plant & machinery and advanced technology.

2) If you are able to complete faster, then you can save a lot in overhead costs (labour cost, machinery rental, supervision cost, & preliminary cost).

3) If your site is very far away from town, it can save you transportation cost (materials like steel bar, plywood, timber, sand & aggregate, cement etc can be minimised).

4) You do not need to clear a lot of space as working yard and for material storage.

5) You can save some money in foundation construction, coz the overall structure fixed self load is lighter.


However, the method also has its down sides, where:

1) We must have proper design for construction. If it is done by third class contractor without any drawing & without proper inspection carried out, I think I will lari kuatx2 if invited to visit the BH. Do you know why WTC (911, NYC) collapsed? One of the causes is due to failure of the connection/joint parts. If the jointing area is not properly done, it will affect the integrity of the building.

2) The material used is costly. I remember at the peak time last year, 1 tonne steel was RM 4k plus and as I write this, it has already dropped to RM3.3k per tonne. But even so, it is still expensive compared to concrete (which is about RM 70 per tonne) and deformed reinforcement bar (about RM 1.8k per tonne). One must consider carefully that on one hand you save the overhead & foundation costs, and on the other you have to pay higher material cost. I have given you all the facts, anyway, the choice is still yours.

3) It's very important to make sure that we employ the right sub-cons and it's crucial to hire experienced steel workers/welders to carry out the installation works. Then only you should be able to sleep sound every night.

4) Even though steel can withstand very high tensile stress, but it's weak in fire resistance. One of the good example : WTC. It failed also due to the melting of the connection areas. So, for columns, normally the engineers will do concrete encasement where bars added and cast together with concrete. This process takes time and will only be cost-effective if done in mass proportion.

5) Steel corrosion problem. We have to ensure anti-corrosion paint to be applied at certain time interval (depends on location, if near to beach, we must apply it every year)

6) If you employ structural engineer for the structural steel design, chances are he will adopt higher safety approach (ie 2 dimension instead of 3 dimension analysis), which will incur higher cost.

7) People tends to steal the balanced materials or debris or scrap steel to sell to "Keling botol", if they are left unattended at site. It is therefore not easy to control the material wastage.

The above are just my personal experience and opinions. I might be wrong also.

This post has been edited by Engineer Lee: Apr 8 2009, 06:10 PM

Why can we wait for 50 years and only recently we voice out and we should have done so maybe 40 years ago; we aren't stupid or are we.

PM has publicly announced it and why can't we give him 3 years to prove himself for we have allow others 50 years as you have said it. All these while, you all said all sheeps are alike and maybe this one is maybe different cos not all sheep are white, some are black and black is beautiful, right?
PM has only 3 years to next election and like it or not, we have to believe him and let the next 3 years be his judgment and we shall at least be fair to him as he just begin his job and we are not giving him a change to preform.

He can do it if he wanted as he unlike the formal PM who want to but too weak and has not good support no thank to M so as expected, he cannot preform. I truly believe that we give our new PM a chance to prove himself to be our PM...to be fair to all and to be love by all, a true Bapa Malaysia. During these difficult time, he will has alot of problems to solve and to rectify. We should have criticized M as he was the one that put us where we are and if he has used our wealth well, we will be the riches country with all natural resources and all at such high prices. Why? because then we do not have the freedom of speech but we do have some now or otherwise, you and me are now under ISA. I am sorry for taking about politics here but since someone bought it up and we shall discuss politics in general only which do concern our industry.

So far not one PM openly supported this industry but the present PM and why should we be so hard on him without giving him a chance at all. Will putting up the opposition up do any good for the 3 cannot sit together for a dinner without any fight lest to work and sleep together............each has its own different ambition, agenda and goal and which are 180 degree out and for that, unity can never be obtain..................

Not that I like the government for I disagree with BN during Dr.M days that take away my buz because of my color, split the races and rule but then do we really have a choice. Now, we will have a chance if the present PM does not preform but can't we wait as we have been waiting for 50 years.

Above, are my personal view and has no intention of hurting anyone. Apologies if offended. Also, I am not a politician and I believe that politic are dirty and I want to be clean......again, my own comment..................

Well, gentlemen, after weeks of tough battles, finally, the PEOPLE'S POWER won again and this time gave the corrupt bastards a real big KO with even greater margin both in Bukit Selambau and Bkt Gantang. Hopefully that the idiots learn how to respect the rakyat and start to realise that the rakyats are the bosses of this country and learn to do the right things for the rakyats. If they don't, the coming 13th General Election shall wipe them out completely.


Very unfortunately for the Batang Ai in Sarawak. Just as we anticipated and expected. It is simply still too much of money politics. But never mind, the eyes of the natives are starting to open up with many educated youngsters working on it as from now. If Marcos of the Philippine ruled with iron clad for decades can fall, we don't see why the White Hair can not. It is just a matter of time. Our Sarawak BH brothers must continue to be united and stand up to resist and fight off the evils.

So, it is 2-1 for PAKATAN RAKYAT as predicted. Need to have a real good sleep and rest for a few days before life back to normal for all of us.

"One Malaysia" said NO to BN, PR still most preferred. haha..

Lucas 1, you are doing great! I am with you.

Welcome back and take care.

Sounds like many are sufferring from swiftlet hallucination, can visualise swiftlet flying around the top of the head ... hehe.

Anyway, for discussion sake just throw some pointer. Farmers and traders should consider develop more cottage industry in towns by engaging local town folks for bird nest cleaning.

Penny wise china man mentality business men may say you newbies what you know. Indo and china labour cost cheaper. In order to reap quick profit dont waste time just export raw nest. If that the case we are always at the mercy of china to dictate the price as raw nest so easily available.

But come to think of it, if more town folks ie retired old folks, unemployed, housewives, hardcore poors, partimers etc can get involved as cleaners, this will create a new cottage industry in the country. Not just nest farming but cottage industry that involve process, packaging and exporting. More people will be benefitted not just farmers. In that sense, government before they implement any new law have to think of the implication not just to the farmers but those downstream cottage industries will be affected too. In short, try to employ locals rather than indos though cheaper. In the long run, even town folks will fight for farmers for their own survival as cleaners etc.

If all farmers only care for they own profit like some who blast their sound like no tomorrow, some day all will be affected. Like it or not.

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Added on April 8, 2009, 6:14 pmWe already given them 51 yrs. Another 3 yrs are not that long. Just see whether the new PM will walk his talk or only talk while he walk. If they want us to sink, we will sink together with them.


This post has been edited by Bobby C: Apr 8 2009, 06:14 PM

Taking about Swiftlets, I have a new BH and after a few months and not a single nest....plenty of birds activities but no nest. I thought that I may need to do some serious fault finding..............

2 weeks ago, I tried making some trial rojak solution which I should call it double XO solution and apply it in my new BH plus some minor tweeters alignment. I entered my BH this morning and walau, beautiful, minimum 6 new nests from 3mm to 10 mm....it's a beautiful day for me. Celebration should be near...and I just applied it once and 2 weeks ago.

Confidential and I am not telling.....but once proven to be good, may sell to my friends here for a couple of hundreds per L and will get rich without worry about BN price. I still can't believe my eyes but wait until I get a hundred nests in a few months time. Maybe, it only temporary and hope not for my sake. Hope that it is not swiftlet hallucination as mentioned by Bobby C cos I counted it twice. HaHaHa..tonight ..must dream going to the bank.

A friendly advice here is that good smell is also very important to encourage swiftlets to make nests as I have proven it. I share my experiance but not my double XO formula hahahaha

Hi everybody,
Just want to share happyness to u all. Just check in my bh this morning, and found 3 Bird nest mark after 4 months of waiting in front of cctv almost everyday ha~ha. May i ask some question to all the sifu out there?
1) I count my bh got about 12 birds so far, is that mean there are 6 birds are pair since i got 3 bn mark?
2) my bh is open roof type, so can i place my tweeter to four differ direction? now my tweeter is facing north, will i confuse those bird if i place more tweeter to other direction? TQ

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Added on April 9, 2009, 4:00 pmmore question?
3) 3 months to get 12 birds, is it normal?

4) when should i start to search the fault and improve my bh?

This post has been edited by siewann: Apr 9 2009, 04:03 PM

Ans:When the good is coming, "let it be" as the beetle say and only try to improve when thing are bad or very slow or must do homework when it get stagnant. If you try to do repair when the good are coming, you maybe saying sayonara to those who just try to start family at your BH.

Above are my own observation of swiftlets behavior and other may have difference opinions and pls. do comments. I shall be happy to learn for you all.

Uncle Ben come to see me in Kuching... i just correct his brain a bit better fron insane.what u know i dun have a floor beam no piling no footing He He He u guess my cost for a BH 24x60 2 story a monkey each floor 8feet 8 inch LIAO LIAO include bayar contractor and internal equipment.... below 70k. just now just fetch Ben to airport,afternoon buy alot of ting-ting tong-tong for his farm...what aday!

This post has been edited by kuching_farmer: Apr 9 2009, 06:57 PM

Thank you KF and Kelvin for hospitality and cured my insomnia with a couple of Tiger Beer. Sent me to See Dr. Yap who gave me a couple of psycho therapy sessions.

Came to the final conclusion that I am not mad but suffering from a state of acute anxiety . The suspense on whether we will be given a license for our BH is unbearable or when will round 2 for Forestry to come and raid our raped BH.

I was also in a state of confusion resulted by the many conflicting issues on BH in shop lots, standalone and eco parks. Everybody is fighting for their own self interest and protect their investments and livelihood. This speaks well for personal selfishness and quite rightly so, we odd to unite together and work for a National Guidelines that will be a win win for all. Hopefully none will be hurt in the process, definitely some will.

Dr. Yap’s hypnotherapy works well and I no longer suffer from paranoid delusions. I am so glad to see so many intelligent comments with hummers and fun.

Thank you Lucas for working hard to make a different. A strong opposition will bring about transparency and fairness for all. Opposing just for the sake of opposing will make one a conscious objector and serve no useful purposes. Should we work with the elected Government of the day? Or should we just go ahead and oppose DAP because they are now the elected Government on Penang? Think again!

We all have our democratic right to be in opposition as well as pro elected government. My opinion we should fight for equal rights and fair share of national wealth for all. Those who work intelligently, diligently and harder deserve greater wealth and realized our dreams.

Thank you Eng. Lee for so many tips and answer so many questions that have been the cause of my mental ambivalence. I think my current new BH of 20’ x 62’ x 2 stories can achieve my projected RM 28.00 per sq. ft. bare building.

In Sarawak we are blessed the availability of billan (Iron Wood) arguably stronger then steel and last forever. Capitalized on this wonderful god’s gift ,do away with all the unnecessary pilings, RC slaps ,form works and combine with modern building materials like light weight bricks ,3’ insulated panels for callings , insulated metal roofing. I came out with a design that is strong and smart.

I can guarantee that the swift lets wouldn’t care a hoot if the building has got a 30,000 pilling job, 8x10 RC columns 10 x18 beams. 5 inches slaps and swimming pool on roof top and cost 80.00 per sq. ft. I am confident that my grandchildren will enjoy my BH till their retirement.

This fantasy story is meant to be for some fun reading and my 2 cents and in no way disrespectful or intentionally contradicts anybody’s democratic ideology. Without a huge ego an great inspirations its not living in this world. Good night and enjoy.

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Added on April 11, 2009, 5:48 pmsiewann.how many watts can produce a day on this solar? got any problem until now ?

This post has been edited by calvinswiftlet: Apr 11 2009, 05:48 PM

够力了，我听说雪州那一带，sabak bernam和kuala selangor,最近传出蚊症严重发生，有人伤亡，有很多受害者多数在市中心，有关卫生部和市议会在前几天，进去燕屋里做调查和化验，如果是和燕屋有关，那就残了，请问这里有谁知道这事？？？还有请问燕子会吃蚊子的吗？？？？？

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anyone here can give this problem opinion???

So far so good, the solar work just fine. it has been running 3 months without any problem.
they only tell me, the system can supply 3 to 4 hundred tweeter + 2 humifiyer + few light each floor + auto gate + cctv only. if i want more than more money they will need.

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Added on April 13, 2009, 11:44 amTq west wing and all the sifus out there,
may i ask some more question?
1)Since my new bh is start to have bird nest mark, when and what should i do the maintain inside the bh?
2) how long could i go inside the bh since my bh is so new?
3)if monthly maintain is ok, then what is the best time to do it?

Few day ago one of my friend has give a ideal regarding preven from owl, he come out a ideal don't know is it work or not? he want to put a tweeter at the entrance hole and swich on the radio at night to scare the owl? what u all sifus think about it?

This post has been edited by siewann: Apr 13 2009, 11:44 AM

[quote=siewann,Apr 13 2009, 11:23 AM]
So far so good, the solar work just fine. it has been running 3 months without any problem.
they only tell me, the system can supply 3 to 4 hundred tweeter + 2 humifiyer + few light each floor + auto gate + cctv only. if i want more than more money they will need.



I do phone him he said u buy 25k is it?
DC ampli u blast it 24 hours for external sound or u got a timer for that ?


This post has been edited by kuching_farmer: Apr 13 2009, 07:36 PM