NO NO....dont be ashamed to think liked that.

We are doing business here, when the competition is tense, most businessman will try to kill off their competitors. Nothing ashamed on that!!!..

All standalone farmers who are suffering now do think liked that, 100%, to wait for town farms to shut down and grab all the birds for free. (except those who own standalone n shoplot). These small groups of farmers are building their standalone farms but they rely on their shop farms to survived. and they all knows that standalone farms result are much slower than shop farms.

Most of the eco park are also build near to town....how long to wait before it is next to a new township??...u know i know.

Most of the standalone farms too build near to town....how long to wait before the next lot is a new township??...u know i know....

it is not long....not long enough for you to reap the actual profit....

some of us may be bless that at least if anything happen, we might be able to recover our losses...but how many actually can do that....how many percent??

and how many abandoned shops will again been abandoned??

and how many shops in town that will be abandoned??

i will not waste my time talk koks here....harvest kow kow is utmost important for my family. nothing else.

but when the war come, i will fight kow kow too....


Good bye.

Shsah Lah ! Swiftlets in shop lot Govt. Huntam, Standalone also kenak . Eco Park pun kenak humtam kut kut.

Seen my doctor today and advise me to go to mental hospital to have ECT treatment. (Electro Consulsive Theraphy) Will be MIA for next few days.

Isn’t that ironic? Don’t you think?

Thought most of us can handle the flak if it just comes from our enemy.

But it does not.

Most of it comes from people who are supposed to be on our side.

It takes umpteen years to build Rome, but it only takes one day to destroy it…due to personal hidden agenda & glory, or to envy, or just to our own wrath and adamant denial.

interesting spin story uncle Ben, it was full of sarcasm and was fun to read. please take care of your health.

i agree half heartedly with ChanK's opinion. Business is business, survival of the fittest killing off competition. It is true in a sense. Its only logical standalones will reap benefits if town BH's were to 'relocate'. if this rule is implemented, many will face profit loss, or no profit at all. i am however more of a conservationist than an opportunist, meaning i am more against causing harm to these birds. closing town BH's is definitely a no-no... those Mukah pics still haunt me. again i mention, make a national level task force handling this issue and work with conservation bodies including international ones. go all out campaigning the health benefits of birds nest, make publicity stints and what not. if theres a will, theres a way. please do something before that lousy guideline gets official.

what i am worried about is these so called eco parks. yes, only time will tell how soon a housing area will be built nearby... and theres more logic using already existing shoplots than making new ones in mass proportions. there are so many empty lots, why build more? whose money is used? why force people to purchase such lots to operate BH's when an existing converted empty shoplot exists? Is it actually feasible to build hundreds of eco park units, what about over population, limited food supply and territorial roaming area? Have they considered the impact on the industry if these large scale ecoparks FAIL??? the bad image, the stigma will definitely worsen...

i tread carefully on who i meet with regards to BH's and the industry. i am wary of people that may have hidden agendas. i wish i can discuss face to face with other sincere forumers and see what can be planned out to prevent such biased rulings and guidelines. please consider my previous suggestions. it may sound far fetched but we never know when God just might show us a path to success. I will most possibly spend half my time with the bird nest industry and whatever related to it. If there is any need of my assistance, please say so. I can't do much..... maybe give suggestions, maybe link with a few people here and there, maybe even demonstrate (since i am kinda used to these stuff), maybe join petitions, write to papers, complain to gov agencies, PR work, whatever deemed necessary. I have my own small business and rather independent and obviously unafraid to speak my mind out.

the wind of change is in the air, lets hope it blows in our way.

by the way, the standalone's foundation is done, 1st floor currently in construction. i went thru the old threads about the mist system... it isn't as easy as i thought it would be, and even making an inventory of items proved to be an amazingly tough task (considering i know nuts about this stuff). if anyone can pm me regarding mist system, pumps, hoses, nozzles, Tee's, valve koks, and serial or parallel arrangements, please kindly give opinions, price lists, or whatever that might assist. thanks a bunch.

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Apr 5 2009, 08:39 PM

WARNING

I was a successful businessman before the swifltets fever but then since the fever strike, I spend more and more time with my birds than my buz and my buz is hurting......to quit buz and go 100% on swiftlets or to quit swiftlets and return to my buz.

Many BHs owners I believe are having or getting the high fever too and I must remind you all new incomers to beware of the swifltet's fever and you may be unconsciously fall in love with the swiftlets and forget all your buz or occupation plus your wives and that's very dangerous. Like I am spending so much time with the birds, for the birds, and even internet on line, on sites, blogs and bla bla all concerning the birds.

Many of those recently started BHs out of town are spending so much time there and even spending nights there even mosquitoes are no more a problem. Leaving their businesses to wives, relatives or employees to look after their shops or businesses. Beware and don't fell in love with the swiftlet too early as it really take some time before your BHs earn enough revenue to cover all your expenses. Don't be like me !!!!!!!...but at least my BHs are always nearby in town.

Even my wife is complaining and I don't know about you guys but I must try to see a specialist to see whether I am getting crazy or not.

HaHaHa sound crazy don't I

BEFORE i GO INTO THE MENTAL HOSPITAL FOR TREATMENT TOMORROW ALLOWED MY 2 CENTS.

MY NEW BH CURRENTLY BEING BUILT WILL NOT HAVE ANY MIST SYSTERM . THE MIST SYSTERM IN MY LAST BH IS MY WORSE NIGHTMARE. THE MSUIC SCHOOL ON THE GROUND FLOOR WAS FLOODED OUT TWICE. THE NESTING PLANK DIRECTLY ON THE TOP OF THE NOZZELS GOT MOLDY. SOME KIDS TURN OFF THE TAP AND THE PUMP RAN FOR A FEW DAYS WITHOUT ANY WATER.

I HAVE FOUND A SIMPLE MATHOD TO OVERCOME THIS PROBLEN AND MAINTAIN THE TEMP. BELOW 30 ON A HOT DAY. I WILL ONLY NEED 1 UNIT OF CHICKEN MIST MACHINE ON STANDBY. CALL ME I CAN SHARE MY IDEA WITH SINCERE BH OWNERS.

I MAY BE MENTALLY UNSTABLE BUT HAVE EXCENTRIC IDEAS THAT WORKS. NEW PROJECT JUST BUILT 6 SETS OF WORM'S TO PRODUCE 250KG WORM POOH EVERY FORTHNIGHT FOR MY 1300 STANDS OF DRAGON FRUIT THAT PRODUCE 2 TO 3 TONS PER ROUND.

Wait till your BH is fully completed and measure the humidity level in your BH then only decide your options.
I did not install the mist system too. The humidity is quite high in the Kg area as compare to town area and I reckon yours too. I plan to get chicken farm humidifier just for standby.

omg. symptoms of crazy for birds syndrome? >.<
unfortunately... i'm also crazy about betta splendens, ornamental fish & serama.

i will keep your advice and experiences to heart. it is true i guess. i'm showing some of the symptoms as well... this is even before BH completion... must be wary of this.

i am planning to wait for the house to finish, but currently just sketching a bit to see what to expect. i am assuming the lowest to have the least number of nozzles and the highest floor the most. also inter floor holes and the monkey house.

i have heard of hoses bursting, a friend advised the Australian product and more than 1000psi resistance (1/4). i plan to put a tank supplying the pump, with two levels of filtration (pre-tank & pre-pump) to avoid problems such as water shortage and nozzle clotting.

nozzle wise... i found the type 1 and type 2 were the most commonly used (brass)... roughly the 2m and 3m spray distance or 6.56ft and 9.84ft... 60-70 degree angle (the size in nanometers, cant remember the exact value, i think it has something to do with how long the particles are suspended in the air... someone mentioned this before). they come with anti drip parts. basically the idea was to position the nozzles below the lower half of the wall, and ensuring no mist reaches the planks. the spacing, and layout... that might need some adjusting.

the pump itself.... macam2 ada. some high end, some so-so. still going thru the options.

i read earlier of the usage of hygrostats... was wondering how well they last in humid spaces. wont the sockets of plugs somehow be effected by the humidity? the issue of timers or hygrostats and whether to increase number of nozzles or to increase frequency of misting.... i think i'll have to do some R&D and experience it myself before deciding? assuming some BH's differ structurally (and as aeiou228 said, the locality). thanks all for the advice.

Sorry, fellow BH brothers, have been really busy in helping in the Bukit Selambau By-election for the past 2 weeks. Dead tired. Couldn't have the time to relax and surf here. Too many incidents with attacks and counter-attacks from both sides. Everyday, there are top politicians from both fronts appearing in Bukit Selambau. You name them, we have them. The campaigning is very fierce. The BN is pumping in a lot of money to bribe the people and as usual does a lot of dirty tricks. All the BN workers are very well paid, whereas the PR has got no money but yet overwhelmed with volunteers from across the country to come to help. All the BN workers sleep in comfortable hotels whereas the PR volunteers including many YBs cramp on the cold floors of the rented houses or empty shoplots turned markas without blankets. Traffic jams occurred days and nights as if festive seasons.



Every PR ceramah is packed even under the rains. Donations are collected during the ceramah to help funding the events. Yet the fighting spirit and morale are high. There is no crowd at all except their own workers at the BN Ceramahs.



I am predicting PR winning in Bukit Selambau and Bukit Gantang with narrow margin despites hampered by the BN's dirty money politics. But, I think PR cannot win the Batang Ai in Sarawak as the long house voters are fully controlled and guarded by the White Hair. So, it is going to be 2-1 for PR.



Today is the final day for campaign. We are giving our best shot and the last bit. It is going to be the hardest and toughest day. So, please pray for us.


http://www.merdekareview.com/news/n/9293.html

If you have a choice, don't install system that requires extensive monitoring and maintenance, especially so when you need to manage the BH from a long distance. Chiongguo's idea for maintenance free humidity control is worth considering.

I share you same fate as the office on the mezzanine floor below my BH are all moldy and smelly and I just don't know what do do.
Previously, the building formally housed Maybank and for that reason all the floor are full of cables, wires and what have you. Now, I just don't know what to do but just turn off the humidifier temporary until I find a good but cheap solution for the problem and meanwhile let the problem stay.

I am now considering mist maker instead of humidifier which doesn't wet the floor. Anyone here having any success with the mist maker.....like the one that Nest tech sell with oscillating disk providing very high vibration.

So, before you renovate your Building in town to BH, make very sure that you first solve of the floor's problem or otherwise, you may get sued by the shop owner below for damages............ and to take care of the floor's leaking problem, we need expert's view like Mr. Engineer Lee or others here.

Dear West Wing
Some of farmer in my area using cementitious waterproofing system for whole upper floor to prevent water cippage through the slab

Yea maybe u are right.got a time where also a by-election comming on the next day,a truck full of BEERS TIGER,HEINEKEN and CARLBERG comming to the rural area long house for those who are voting for pembangkang....What u know the next day the voter of pembangkang are all drunk till the another nite so they cant vote in the day time. IT IS A TRUE STORY. our native in Sarawak like to drink and drunk that why the alcohol kill the pembangkang in sarawak ...For i guess Batang AI is 50% -50%

Chicken farm humidifier does not wet the floor if you've extended the height of it with 8" PVC pipe. Mist maker does good mist only if you've well insulated BH as I figured out. Besides, it costs more to use mist maker for extended use. I'm juggling two in my poorly designed BH. Chicken farm humidifier is the best in terms of maintenance.

Floor's problem has been overlooked by many farmers including me. You can't help it when so many birds in it. It is as crucial as the ceiling, concrete or otherwise above planks in a well designed BH. Wouldn't it be clean and nice just flushing out the remaining bird droppings with water after scooping up the bulk and of couse, make no clogging in the drain?


Also thanks for all those who have help to preserve the BHs in towns and I wish them good health, good life and good fortune.

This post has been edited by swift4ever: Apr 6 2009, 09:17 PM

My experience with mist spray syst in d/s shoplot ( water pump ,Valve n nozzles[30] cost RM 880 ; pipes, clips , joints, workmanship not included ).
First check the RH level on both top n grd floor , my case top flr RH always low 63 to 73 n grd flr good ard 80 . This is becos top flr with Open Roof ent. tends to be drier . Temp for both flrs good 28 to 29+.

The trick now is to instal the optimum no. of nozzles on each floor. Its obvious that the top floor needs more nozzles than the Grd flr.There is a way out if u feel that u hv installed more nozzles on a floor .More work to be done by removing those nozzles OR fix a Valve [ with a tap handle] to close off water supply to those nozzles. I fixed a valve for my grd flr leaving a few nozzles to get right level for RH .

Timing of mist spray, it all depends on the season. No problem for me with plank molding. Caution : get a reliable timer N if u change yr time ensure u totally erase the memory before u set a new time for the mist spray.Imagine m/spray running for 12 hrs per day , they think I'm rearing water fish....ha ha ha! . True, water sipping to next door n flowing down the stairs , complaint fr neighbor so buy him sharks fin soup with bird nest (asli)

Maintenance : not much , change water filter ev few month but only worry is the Water Pump break down. Some nozzles do get blocked n water dripping on floors n will be wet, not that bad. Use water basins to contain drips. Oh yes lock yr water meter tap outside yr bldg.

Not a technical man myself I hope this infor helps.

thanks a bunch ornimann!!! i had exactly the same idea (regarding number of nozzles reduced according to floor height). thanks for your advice.

i was also thinking of installing another filter (besides the pump filter) or pre-tank filter or maybe post water-meter filter? one main problem of the mist system is nozzle blockage. i am assuming you use the anti-drip nozzles? bloody expensive the whole set. i'll be using the 2500psi hoses (aussie)... and heavy duty brass end, center and Tee's... with a 60 nozz pump, 4 LPM. but still tallying the cost vs benefits.... it is rather costly.

everyone, please take care of your health. later on MOH ban the swiftlet industry becoz too many go nuts! >.<

Well.....I liked this quotes.....


[You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
Abraham Lincoln[/B]



And hopefully, this time they will set alarm to wake them up to go voting!!....

This post has been edited by ChanK: Apr 7 2009, 04:27 PM

lets hope for the best. the new PM's maiden speech was very encouraging for the bird's nest industry... hopefully its not just 'aesthetics' or 'superficial'. why not the industry leaders go meet the new PM and voice out the problems faced by BH owners... formally. now still new in office... i'm sure he's willing to make time to hear grouses... especially when the present government is aiming for 'reform'. >.<

WAO!!!...

Iban peoples are more clever and brilliant than i thought.....

this is only a small reelection, if PK really win this one...they will have 3 yrs to suffer...n giving them higher winning tickets is still a better strategy...

next round, PK should send in carlsberg, tiger two days before the election!!!...then, they will not be so mabuk on the voting day!!..


joking loh!!....

YEAH!!!! BN MEnang!!!

We support NAJIB!!!!....YEAH!!!.......NAJIB THe best!!!!!



... hhehe...Very `Yin Sat' ahh!!!.....



Wait for next round.....not so fast.....one shot hentam kuat kuat!!!!.....

This post has been edited by ChanK: Apr 7 2009, 08:08 PM

Wah! Bay tahan lah in the mental hospital so I absconded by climbing over the 10 foot chain link fence with Y shaped barbed wiresand got pretty badly cut up. Have not received any ECT but counseling and I have the paranoid ideas that the Psychiatric Specialist is trying to brain wash me as I did to the swift lets before forcefully moved them from Niah Cave To Mulu Caves.

The hospital staff is looking for me and in am now in hiding and heavily disguised with beard, turban and a fake hook nose

Ho! S..t. now the CIA is after me. I am on the run and will be in Kuching tomorrow to source for modern insulated materials to build high tech BH at ½ the cost of a conventional BH. Very light steel structures and sitting on footing and ground beam. Eng. Lee might want to comment on this. Hay Guys this part is serious.

Thanks for your time and your tolerance I am in fact Manic/depressive and not a paranoid schizo. And at the moment on the manic phase.