if i reduce the hole to 5x5ft is ok?? will it too small for the bird to enter the hole??

then i will follow ur opinion have 3 holes there~..thanks ya..

dude how about the LAL? 10x10ft should be ok for the bird to fly down to the lower floor right?

Dear Cergau,
Yoda and Luke's current observation ............ wrong is not.... except that "Avian" should be replaced with "A.F"
The force triumphed over evil because the chancelor made a crucial mistake.
He misread Anniken.
Many a times the mother of all screw ups begins with a false premise!
Many a times the silverspooners take things for granted.
Very often the under priveledged can only dream of the slightest advantage to give them a head start in life.

Will you step all over the not so fortunate to get ahead?

I apologise to you if you feel offended.
I do not apologise to others if I thought they feel I have offended you.

Greenacres,
No worries, I dun feel offended easily.
So long as we debate on subject matter and not go personal.
No need for folks to start and end with apologies.
Waste of bandwidth lah. Slowing down all my parallel porn downloads.
Folks who feel offended easily or go for the opponent personally have no business being on forums until they have grown up.
If we at the least stay on that minimum we will have a thriving forum.

Avian for general and A.F. for specific agreed. Yoda would have been more specific.

On yr other comments after Anniken, there are other more appropriate forums for like minded folks.
I have proposed some samples of such forums in a prev post.
And debate on the forum if you disagree with others, with your viewpoints.
Everyone will benefit with an alternative viewpoint.

May the force be with you and continue not be seduced by the dark side.
Wah sound like Star Wars forum oredy, afterwards kena Seeseng's saman.

Hi Aeiou, "nesting room opening" hieght of the openning from floor, any prefference? Or should i rephrase, how high should the nesting room openning from the floor?. Do you think this affect the ease of bird entry?

My open roof is 6'x9' purposely shaped in rectangle to avoid sun lights. You need to consider this point before deciding the final size and shape.

I would count the distance of the opening from the ceiling rather than from the floor because BHs don't have standard height for instant Cergau's BH is 15' high. I would take 40cm from the nesting room ceiling to the top edge of the hole as a idea distance.

bro..do mind to tell me how big is ur farm???thanks..cause i wan to compare with mine 22x50ft for the open roof entrance..now i decide to opent the entrance at 5x7ft
thanks

I am no expert but I think having 3 entrance holes is too much... most Sifu's say just one hole because you dont want the swiftlet to fly in and out right away thru the other hole...

LOL do u seriously think he is going to have 3 entrance holes permanently ? I' sure he is smart enough to seal off the less frequently used one.

I think what aeiou is suggesting is that open 3 holes 1st, this is due to the 'wet work', construction of the bird house (rather than to hack off latter). Maybe by pointing a cctv, we can guage which is the fouvarite hole, seal off the 2 less used holes. Also i think we can devise an "adjustable hole" that can reduce in size (adjustable), once we find the optimum size, we can do it with bricks.

"I would count the distance of the opening from the ceiling rather than from the floor because BHs don't have standard height for instant Cergau's BH is 15' high. I would take 40cm from the nesting room ceiling to the top edge of the hole as a idea distance."

Yes, i guess taking from ceiling shall be more appropriate. Thanks Aeiou, these valueble knowledge shall go into my knowledge bank.


Due to the long hot spell lately, any ingeniouse ways to keep the BH cool?? I think this time it reach record HIGH, and most of the BH did not took this HIGH into consideration when building? Kindly comment. Thanks

As I see it:

Let me tell you why just one entrance, just like wife, the more, the more difficult to manage,,,hahahaha

1. 2 holes, sini masuk, sana keluar and air turbulence and other disturbances are bad for new BH as there is not safety feeling. If you make more than one hole in case you fail with the one hole you make, sealed off on ehole first and if that hole is not suitable due to reason like light, wind or conditions, then close it up and open the other one.

2. Case history, I have been to a failed BH with 3 openings and the only nests found were in the utmost interior of the BH after the 3 holes meaning that the 3 holes are just for the birds to play in and out and do not serve the purpose for the bird to breed which what we are aiming for. So, I told him to use only the best one and close up the rest. Now, all the rest of the building is used by the birds to nest.

Sometime, because we are not contractor so we make more than we required as back up like back up entrance openings in case of failure without having to endure more financial payment and time plus nowaday, it's impossible to get workers to do little job. My little believe in the art and science of BH's building.

A 7' high roof on top of your bird house is a cheap and effective way to reflect heat coming from the top for stand alone BH.
A lot of town BH installed second layer zinc roof 1' above the existing old tiles roof.

bro..usually we open 3 hole to test the bird like which hole right?for example this 3 holes is located at left ,center and right.
the bird enter the entrace hole of the 3 hole is it depend on the flying pattern at the roving area??

Exactly...!

Open whatever entrance holes, cable & piping ducting holes (from ground to top floor), peeping holes, manholes during BH construction. Both side entrance and open roof entrance must do first. You have OPTIONS rather than no option when your BH is ready.
Getting contractor to do a small job is really headache


This post has been edited by aeiou228: Mar 8 2010, 11:37 AM

Just found out that someone did patent methods of swifltets farming and maybe, someone may just patent BH designs and method and then all of us may need to pay for right to use the patents...mmmm

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7661391.html

hmmmm....has the patent been granted?

One of the inventor is Tan Jee Hong from Kemaman...... eh ? WW also from Kemaman.

Seriously, can 'the Method" be patented? I know, a "Product" can be patented. If the method can be patented, then Chicken, Kambing, Kerbau & etc also need to pay royalty?

I'll quickly check if "prostituition (method)" had been patented, if not, i'll quickly apply for it. I'll be RICH, hahahah. All active V2. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion exempted from paying me royalty. Hahaha

Hmmm........... I think you are right!!!!....Patent "prostitution (method)" is at least 100X more profitable than doing BH ..... I want to share with you to patent it......then we form a sdn bhd and go for listing. We offer the IPO to all V2 members.....we sent hundreds of patent rights collecting agents to all the red light distrcts and brothels and all hotels and even to every home.........Wah......sure kaya overnight..... Can forget about the BH and the 1GP problem.......but you better specify the methods in detail lah.....there are so many styles......hahahahahahahahahhahaa..............

Now, that's a cute reply.

In a way you are right. It was a personal comment on ChanK's strange habit of shooting off and then returning to what he had shot off ;-) . Thus all the deletion, re-editing, rephrasing. No need to lose here trying to figure it out.

It was an appropriate metaphor - nothing personal - you understand ;-) .

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Added on March 9, 2010, 8:29 amYesterday I met with a ketua kampung and it seemed that now JKKK's are also up in arms against bird house in the kampung. I asked him for the by-laws and he shot back with threats of writing to the town councillors to revoke licenses and close down bird houses. He cited polluting - shit and noise as the chief complaint. But in the kampung that is a rather strange argument to make.

I had been to kandang kambing to buy kambing shit for my cacing-lah and these kandang is just a stone throw away from 2 beautiful single storey bungalows. On a hot afternoon when a the gentle breeze blows ..... use your imagination from this point on.

Yet these had never been an issue.

In the same kandang I asked the caretaker why he burned some of the dried grass he cut. He said had to do this every evening so that flies and insects won't bother the kambing.

Why does bird houses evoke so much hatred and contempt ? Those in the industry are fighting amongst themselves for power, influence and control. Those outside the industry are viewing it with disdain out of jealousy and the arrogant manner in which such montrosity intrude upon the landscape. There is no escaping the sight of such structures. And the noise it made draw upon itself a lot of unwelcome attention.

I once met a kampung folk - a lawyer who was building a bird house in his house that he no longer lived in. It was a typical kampung house, quiet - very low volume sound, unobstrusive and it is just right next to 4 other kampung houses.

Why can't bird houses be made in more creative ways that are cheaper, less imposing, doesn't make so much noise etc ?

No other industry that is as fcuked up as this one. Everyone seem to want to fcuk it at some point. Countries such as thailand and vietnam will overtake us in no time. We had a good start and like in so many other areas with so much corruption and bureaucrazy we will again lose out.



This post has been edited by chiongguo: Mar 9 2010, 08:29 AM

Besides sharing n grumbling on the swiftlet farming industry issues, we need to educate all the govt officers that are reading in this forum about the current economy status in malaysia.


They do not aware the current situation as they are 8 to 4 working everyday and the economy is really a new term to them. They have no worry of buz decline, retrenchment, pay cut, lower bonus, lower pay rise!.

But, they forgotten where their salary come from? US!.

So, all govt officers please ask ur canteen makcik to bring u one hot thick coffee to alert ur mind, the story start here :

Based on the data collected by Bank Negara Malaysia, quoted from The Edge " more and more malaysian firms are investing overseas, whether in businesses or purchasing real estate. And this is happening at a time when the flow of investments into the country has slowed. Analysts say if this trend is not reversed, there will be serious IMPLICATIONS fro the country.

"What the numbers show is that we are not investing enough to increase the productive capacity of the local economy and this will mean less job creation and income generation, going forward".

The increasing capital outflow together with declining foreign direct investment,the government is in a very tight spot.

u know i know that the govt had pump in money to revive the economy last year...but they know very well, they cannot afford or frankly, no money to pump in more !!!...

U can go to any local towns that rely on manufacturing workers for survival, the whole town is so quiet!!. their daily buz has drop over 70%!!


except,


those that do export!!!....who? farmers!!!

so,


U still want to tarnish the whole industry???


instead, our PM should encourage those malaysians with existing facilities to go ahead use it to earn money!!!...

When someone is getting desparate and push to the end road....

U do not want them to shift to DESTRUCTIVE mood...

U would prefer to face a jolly crowd than a hostile crowd....


Think twice...

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Added on March 9, 2010, 9:04 ambro chionguo, u better take some medicines... seriously....

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Added on March 9, 2010, 9:23 amThis industry frankly is no longer a viable buz for new investors as the population of swiftlets will not keep on increasing. it will still grow at slow rate n maintain at this level for decades to come...but for u to see a surge in new population is just a dream in sem malaysia....we already have over 60,000 farms in malaysia....use it instead of building new one unless u have other hidden agenda.

the weather do not fare well to us. the temperature is rising alarmingly.

insects are declining, bees population drop drastically by 80% in some area.

tell me, how to sustain an ever growing swiftlet population?

in Jawa, indonesia, the swiftlets population there has decline almost 80%...

from bird's nests price, u can tell how is the supply of bn....the price maintain at CNY price which is very very rare...

and to think that to destruct the whole industry so that u can create back a dream planned industry is just plain STUPID!.


Issue license to all town farmers is a Smart move..besides solving the problem with set conditions that all farmers need to follow (be reasonable in your condition's set), the town folks will able to self sustain and they will keep the local town economy in check, makcik selling nasi lemak will still have customers come to buy it. pakcik selling mee rebus will still have ppls come to buy it. the loop does not end in farmers...this industry is not only benefit the farmers but also play a vital role in small town economy.

This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 9 2010, 10:30 AM