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 V2. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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ahchard
post Feb 1 2010, 05:16 PM

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Hi everyone, I am new here so just a brief introduction... I am located in Kuching, Sarawak and just came back to the country in June last year after 15 years in New Zealand.

Currently looking seriously at swiftlet farming and have been doing research for the past few months... a lot of information on the internet which helps newbies like me!

I have been looking at agricultural land for sale and have tested a few birdcalls in the area and have had mixed results. Some areas with no birds at all... but came across a piece of land which is in the flying path of the swiftlets and also has plantations where the swiftlets feed, but the land is peat and building an access road plus the piling for foundations would cost quite a bit... so still considering whether to go ahead.

Look forward to getting to know everyone here better and learning and also sharing experiences!

Cheers!
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post Feb 1 2010, 11:45 PM

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I am not looking for a get rich quick scheme... I am looking at this as a long term investment... I wouldn't mind not harvesting for the first 2 years even.... If I could get 300 nests by year 3 I would be happy...


Added on February 2, 2010, 10:40 amHi Raymondetc...

Let us know how the birdcall goes... When I did mine there were not a lot of birds that came in groups and lingered around... but there were birds flying past... and circling a while... then flying off... I tested for about 30 mins to an hour and birds kept appearing... flying past... in the morning they fly east... out to the sea... and in the evening they fly west... back home...

Seems like ur case is similar to mine where there is no road access to the land... make sure you check that it will not cost an arm and a leg to build the road...

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post Feb 2 2010, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ Feb 2 2010, 11:36 AM)
what method can we use to deter owl from attacking the swiftlet. Some said, shoot to kill. any better solution than killing the owl?
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I have seen some owl deterrant stuff for sale... one is the sharp spikes to put at the BH entrance hole, another is electric wiring to give them a shock... both work when the owl perches on the BH entrance... then I read somewhere about putting something like fishing line at the BH entrance like window grill, wide enough for swiftlets to fly through but not for owls...

But if you are talking about owls attacking swiftlets outside the BH... then I guess u have to shoot to kill... =P
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post Feb 2 2010, 12:24 PM

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The experts could probably shed more light... but I think because the swiftlets don't perch... plus they use their sound echo location ( dunno wat its called ) so my guess is they can detect and avoid these thing???
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post Feb 3 2010, 10:30 AM

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Raymondetc: 10 birds? how long were you there doing the testing?

In my opinion, a birdcall test that gets hundreds of birds is only possible in an area where there are already a lot of birdhouses... if you were testing in agricultural land where there were no BH's nearby I doubt you will get few hundred birds coming when you do the birdcall. I recently tested a birdcall at a piece of land which was in the flight path and also had paddy field and oil palm plantation so it was also their feeding ground... there would be small groups of birds flying past every few minutes. I did the birdcall but the birds would not all hover around above in the sky... they might circle a few times then fly off, then another few come and circle then fly off... so at any one time there were no more than 10 birds... but in the 1 hr period I was there it would have been about 50 to 100 birds flying past. I am not sure if I was playing duress or external sound as I got it from my friend... I also noticed that even without playing the sound the birds still flew past the land...
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post Feb 4 2010, 10:14 AM

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Raymond, testing is best done either late afternoon/evening 5/6pm when the birds are flying home... or early morning anytime before 10am... but it kinda depends on where your land is... u have to know where the BH's are located.

For example the land I tested is East of the main town and birds fly east in the morning to go to the sea and also to feed... i did testing on different days... once from 930am to 1030 am... once from 730am to 830am... and could see birds flying past above in small groups.


Added on February 4, 2010, 1:22 pmalso can anyone give me tips on how to make the best birdcall test kit? I usually have to borrow my friends, but I would like to make my own... my friends is just a cd player plugged inteo cigarette adapter with one tweeter output.

pls share on your birdcall setup/design... one tweeter or more? do you set the tweeters in a box or bazooka like tube or just the naked tweeter?

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post Feb 6 2010, 05:43 PM

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Anyone can recommend me a good seminar on swiftlet farming to attend??
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post Feb 8 2010, 04:03 PM

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Looks like just us 3... lol... nope did not see the NTV7/TV8 talk on swiftlet...
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post Feb 11 2010, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(Cergau @ Feb 11 2010, 01:24 AM)
I was thinking something like this.
With castors, it shd be around 7', the scaffolding is 6'.
There are half scaffolds of 3', so you can mix and match and build up as needed for yr BH dimension & design.
You can also add on a pulley sustem where you just pull yrself along w/o having to climb down to push the gurney.
If you want some more fun, you can fabricate a manual winch or motorised winch to pull you along.
You will have to figure out if this is feasible.
I figure there will be a need to have guides on the floor to guide it along.
Also you can hook yrself with a safety harness onto the gurney if you can build it sturdy or have a cable at on the ceiling where you can hook yr safety harness.
Since it's modular you can dismantle for storage at a convenient corner of each floor.
Just initial thoughts for now, maybe you guys can think of better ways with this.
The crossbars I suggest you fabricate yr own as the commercial ones are flimsy. a 2"x3" ('kok-chai')/wood is a good replacement.
Please use at yr own risk & I take no responsibility for yr safety from yr own fabrication.

PS cant load my pic as there's a storage problem on the LowYat site.
Will try upload tomorrow.

PS2 The storgae problem still exist, so you will need to download here
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk287/s...ng_gurney_1.jpg
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Sounds cool... a bit like those ladders on wheels in the library... but you need to have some sort of brakes on it so it does not move while you are doing the harvesting or u will fall!
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post Feb 11 2010, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(Cergau @ Feb 11 2010, 12:02 PM)
swiftlailai,
thks for yr comments.
I may adopt a dog kennel yet.
I will stay with 15' if the contractor doesnt make a fuss or the additional cost is marginal.
I will hv the option of a mezzanine floor plus condo-type NP, (2 possible expansion methods) all w/o having to mess with the BH structure.
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I would be surprised if the contractor didn't make a fuss... lol... over 3 storeys there is a total increase of 15 feet which is a storey and a half... the extra brickwork would be quite substantial.
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post Feb 11 2010, 05:04 PM

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Wow... you can even recognise owl shit?? lol... how to tell?

Also... any friends here from Kuching or Sarawak... would be nice to come out for tea or coffee and share ideas and knowledge! Just PM me...
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post Feb 12 2010, 05:36 PM

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GONG XI FA CAI to all fellow forumers!!!

Wish that many birds come to visit your birdhouses in the 2010 year!
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post Feb 24 2010, 04:07 PM

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count me in!
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post Feb 28 2010, 08:39 PM

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I think we need a dedicated forum for swiftlet farming so we can have different categories and discussions... the way it is going now 97 pages all piled up it is very messy...

Maybe we just form a group and setup a forum and everyone contributes an annual fee to pay for the costs? Then from there we can discuss and work on a lot of things...
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post Mar 7 2010, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(ahwee1987 @ Mar 7 2010, 12:36 AM)
if i reduce the hole to 5x5ft is ok?? will it too small for the bird to enter the hole??

then i will follow ur opinion have 3 holes there~tongue.gif..thanks ya..

dude how about the LAL? 10x10ft should be ok for the bird to fly down to the lower floor right?
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I am no expert but I think having 3 entrance holes is too much... most Sifu's say just one hole because you dont want the swiftlet to fly in and out right away thru the other hole...
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post May 5 2010, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(Lucas 1 @ May 5 2010, 03:20 PM)
There is a Chinese saying: your money is in the bank, but you are in the Heaven. My friend, try your best to avoid having LAL between floors. There are far too many mishaps and accidents from this type of design which led to many permanently maimed or disabled with fatal cases caused to the owners and consultants for the past years. Almost every year, we hear such misfortunes. Most of them are filthy rich. Such type of design is a booby-trap to the owners. So, do be careful and to reconsider.
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If you don't have LAL between floors then how will the swiftlet fly to the lower floors? Would you have the roving area 3 storeys high and have a window into each floor from the roving area?

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