They sell the BGB brand. Just buy the AV-9550 6 channels for your internal sound and a cheap RM100+ 2 channels Amp for external sound.

No of tweeters ? No harm to install more internal tweeters facing all directions since your BH is small.



This post has been edited by aeiou228: Oct 13 2009, 09:24 PM

Hey thanks. Why can't I use a 2-channel amp for internal sound? Why six?

Because the AV-9550 is not expensive, about RM350. Good for future expansion. But since your BH is small, buy 2 units 2 channels for internal would be good idea too, can play different sound at different timing.

2X 2-channels sounds interesting.

I found out today the 2 channel amp that costs RM 118 has only 28 Watts. That comes across to me as very little. The saleswoman says only 20 tweeters can be powered by it.

Why still talking about sound….tweeter….Amp… Polystyrene Foam… ?

Swiftlets Keeping Industry will end in very near future!!!

Refer to Agroworld latest edition, there is a company from Johor, they are not building ecopark, not swiftlets breeding farm but SWIFTLET CATCHING AND BREEDING FARM, in Chinese they said “一网打尽”.

No matter your farm have 2 birds or thousands birds, they will all gone in one night. Once this company builds a farm in your area, once your birds go into their big cage, all this bird will belong to them.

This is really million industries…support by gov some more…..this is why recently so many farms wanted to sale….

Ecopark …..standalone….town bird house all dielah…

You guys are so fatalistic. And I understand why too. Your BH probably makes up the majority of your income, and any negative developments regarding regulation or more sophisticated competitors will make you sleep poorly.

For me, I make nothing yet from this. So I can approach swiftlet farming like a game; playfully, experimentally, as a diversion from my day job.

BTW, town bird houses are dead anyway. The gov. will want all such activities to be done on agricultural land, the way poultry farming is done.

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Added on October 14, 2009, 2:29 pmWhat we'll see in the next few years is a consolidation of this industry, from many small players to a few big ones.

This post has been edited by kotmj: Oct 14 2009, 02:29 PM

1.The town's birds are the roots of all Birds here. Without the core, the bird's industry will be taken back by more than 10 years and to realise the dream of making EBN, Billions Ringgits earner will be very very far away. If we give the assurance of BHs to stay, the investors will go full swing to allow birds to breed and increase the output of EBNs which will even surpass Palm Oil very soon if we do it right.
2. Let the a scenario like if the government found oil under a town, the government will not hesitate to move the town in order to get to the oil. Here, is a similar situation, white gold is found @ town and is producing more and more ( unlike oil which will be getting lesser and lesser)...........wouldn't it be fair to compromise only and we are not asking to move the town which many shop owners will gladly sell their building for 2 to 5 times the market value for a prime location.
3. The birds choose where to stay and it is not up to us to determine and if the birds like a location, that's gold mine!!!!!!!! and we shall exploit the area like the Thai and the Indo do and we saw how they have progress in this field but not us as we do not have the full support of our govt. We do have an advantage adn that's our EBN is superior to the Indo.
4. We are not asking the Govt. to give intensive or grant in the development of the industry but try to refrain from giving us the sleepless night wondering what will happen to our children's future if the govt. should put a dagger right into our hearts to kill all dreams and future of our future generations plus all our retirement plans. Then, we all will need to go to the welfare department for the monthly allowance of Rm200 to live or go to the old folk home to stay. For those who borrow monies from Ah Long, sorry lah.......go to find your own rope to hang as we have no money to buy you the rope.
5. Billion of ringgit have been invested in the town and with the might of the pen of the Govt, billion ringgits of properties will only be worth millions, I hope and it may cause a properties glut.

Swiftlet ranching in populated areas will disappear in a few year's time. It does not fit into our society's expectations. It will be an unstoppable force. The gov. will clean them away the way beggars, games arcades, and little gambling outlets have been cleaned away.

I mean, look what they are doing to the tobacco industry. Society doesn't accept tobacco.

If I'm in this industry for the long term, I would start scouting for suitable agricultural land right now.

Dear Friend

From your posting, I know that you are not a bird lover esp. swiftlet and you definitely is not in the industry or providing sanctuary for the swiftlets otherwise, you will understand our feelings for the swiftlets.......to love the swiftlets is to be involved and be there.

We are not beggers nor games arcades or illegal outlets and you have put us in bad light; shame on you as we are all law bidding citizens. Even the illegal activities, we still see these activities in towns esp. in populated areas and do you see them getting lesser but more and more. What did the authorities do to get rid of them........but the authorities and you are picking on us, the poor honest law biding citizens which you nor the Local Authorities know little about the Bhs in towns. Why not picking on the Ah Longs, the Gangsters or the punks or the drugs pushers or are you afraid or scare to complain . We are the pioneers in the field and the swiftlets came to us in the first place and they came to us for the protection against the human predators @ caves and if without us, the Malaysia swiftlets species may have long time be only seen in the your story books and not evolve into new species.

We will be expanding to suitable agriculture land providing we finding suitable area. For me, the most difficult is to ensure safety for the swifltets as there are so many predators and all the predators are protected species including human being which is the worst of all. I once told my friends that in building BHs out of the town; when you have no nest, you are worried but when you have alot of nests, you are more worried. Even in town, we face the burglary's problems now and then who cut thru steel doors and tear down walls to get to the nests and what about the out of town. Remember that it's gold, white gold that we are talking about here and no doors nor wall can prevent them from entering but at least in town, we have our members in strength and the Police to back us up with guns.

Losing the nests is small comparing to the killing of the chicks by hundreds or thousands ..........a true sad sad story. For us, Buddist that the worst scenario that cannot be compensate by fasting nor praying as we have a hand in it by not be able to provide a safe sanctuary, a part of our deal in the transaction................................ again as always, my personal opinion on the matter and any offence is not intentional at all.

West Wing,

You are a true bird lover and I can tell that in your heart, you are grateful for what the swiftlets have given you. :-)

This industry should be supported by the the government and all ethical swiftlet sanctuary providers should be given due recognition by the perhilitan people and also the Minister in charge of Trade and Investment.

This industry has saved many an abandoned shoplot and also provided many jobs and economic benefits in the construction industry. The foreign exchange earned is very substantial.

The government should help each and every bird sanctuary provider.

Bird House For Sale at Kedah Kulim (One of the Swiftlet Farming Hot Pot Area At Kulim)

I have two unit Bird House for sale at Kedah Kulim.

1. Center Unit,3 years,30 nests++
2. Corner Unit ,below 4 years,80nests+

Who are interest on this,please Pm me for the price and detail.

My friend,

you should have get some good friend in the trade to have a close look at your BHs if they are in a prime areas. To have such a result is really very sad esp. in good location....as I never fail in good location as see no reason to fail unless there are problems that you didn't see so more eyes are better than the two eyes that you have. Like my new birdhouse in prime location, over 2 years have already has over 1000 nests and another more than one year have over 80 nests which is not a prime location. So, I believe that the best is not to sell but to look for someone to give advice on how to solve your bad luck and that's someone must be at the location to know the what actually happening to your BHs.

I am not interested in your BHs because I live far away or otherwise I may consider if it is in a prime location. Any problem getting approval from the authorities.

Taking a approval really get me mad cos in Pekan some owners already get approval and they are all committee members of the Pekan's Birdnest Association but what's about the rest of the members and owners..........surely we smell something some bad fishes here. So, please make very sure that when you elect your leaders, they must have your interests at heart, too.......not using their positions to get what they want and leave you all in the water.

Hi Mr West Wing,

This two units is my customer BH,they Wish to sell.
For sure 3 years only 30 nests there might be something wrong.
and the selling price is cheap....one is 260k another one is 380k,i think at Mr west wing place,the price for the shotlot it self already more that this price.
at northerm area most of the BH is illegal one,i thing only 10%-20% apply for the lisence.

This post has been edited by tangsn: Oct 19 2009, 09:33 PM

Salutations to all on forum.
Have been thru V1 and now V2 for past 3 mths.
I do not own a BH yet and am now scouting for suitable locations to start a standalone on agri land. Am now concentrating around Ulu Yam area in Selangor. I grasp the additional difficulties (as posted previously) in securing a standalone in a generally forested area. I am especially taken up by the difficulties in preventing owl attacks.
Can a mist net (or jaring / drift net) strung up at night over the entrance not do the trick? I figure that it can be auto operated (rolled up like a shade) thru use of a photo sensor.

Owl attack ? install this gadget RM15 per piece only. It repel pigeons too.

By aeiou228, shot with DMC-TZ7 at 2009-10-19

By aeiou228, shot with DMC-TZ7 at 2009-10-19

where to buy it?Mr aeiou...thanks for infor

Bought it from Thailand.
Initially, I was planning to DIY this type of owl/pigeon repeler but upon see this cheap ready made available for sale I like it at first sight already and i know my BH friends would like have it too so I bulk purchased for sharing with friends and resell.
It is made of plastic and about 2' long x 5" wide each. The good things is the spikes would not hurt you if you accidentally touches it.
RM15 per piece excluding postage. Buy 5 pcs free courier to your home.

That's was a very good idea and why didn't I think of that? Owl or any bird of prey cannot stand on it and it does not hurt the owl, too......just a prevention unlike the traps such as netting or electrical zap that we now use. Good idea and I hope that it work.

Any more smart inventions??????

Its always surprising on how people view the industry. Some see it as a game and even brand us as an illegal industry just like gambling dens and video arcades. Then again brother West Wing, these type of people don't understand the industry and don't really give a damn about the welfare of both the people and the birds involved in the industry.

I would like to ask assistance from all forumers here regarding the mentioned survey. Please email me application forms for BH operations permit/license from your respective PBT's, together with terms and conditions or pre-requisites. I am sure they have some sort of flowchart or guideline on how to apply. One of the objectives of the survey is to highlight the red tape and quality of service involved in licensing for bird activities (this includes Perhilitan as well, the forms from them dah ada dah). Currently my own PBT has no undang2 kecil and i will leave it at that.

Secondly, whoever has a copy or access to "Perintah Perlindungan Hidupan Liar (Pindaan) 2003", i need a copy. The 1972 Act of course dah ada, the pindaan i need.

Please email me at dunsuntutmybuntut@gmail.com. I will be meeting the secretary & treasurer of a state level association to propose that they become my platform for this survey, to extend the survey to smaller state associations & other states as well. I need to pick up momentum from there since i am basically a nobody.

Just some basic info about the objectives;


1. Population study of Aerodramus fuciphagus. The only reason why it is in Jadual 3 Akta Perlindungan Hidupan Liar 1972 (Akta 76) is because the cave dwelling birds... the nests were harvested uncontrollably leading to a dwindling population (at the time). Thus with the existence of properly managed and planned bird sanctuaries, this problem should no longer be an issue. Perhilitan should just concentrate on protecting the cave birds and leave the commercially built sanctuaries alone. Also abolish the taxes involved for birds nest export, or at least impose the tax only for cave nests (since their jurisdiction should only cover cave birds). Secondly. in the Akta Perlindungan Hidupan Liar, THERE IS NO CLEAR DEFINITION of the terms protected and fully protected species. THERE IS NOT EVEN A POPULATION SIZE BASED DEFINITION. Heck, if the Pengarah Perhilitan one day got manic depression and suddenly wanted to put a wild bull in the list... we'd all be eating illegal protected species meat! Say bye-bye to lovely grilled steaks. That Act should be revised, so many loopholes and opportunities for Perhilitan to abuse power.

2. Imposing that the industry come under the Veterinary Services Department. Perhilitan is definitely incompetent. Perhilitan refuses to understand the natural behavior of these birds and refuse to acknowledge that swiftlet farmers have contributed to the species population increase. VSD (if properly guided with MOH) should be able to do more detailed research such as regular sampling of guano for bacterial/viral/helminth/parasitic organism screening from properly managed bird houses besides keeping tract of suspicious bird deaths (if any). The Kementerian Sumber Asli & Alam Sekitar already stated that there were no cases of avian flu related to Aerodramus, and no such cases were recorded by CDC NY (a Malaysian family friend works there, virologist). Then how the hell did some idiots confidently state in mainstream newspapers that they believed that swiftlets can cause avian flu???

3. The problem is, some people rather see the whole industry shut down (mind you, it contributes millions of dollars in export value) than help sort out the problem of red tape. Whats more, its the government agency themselves. Many stories and many first hand experience encountered. The reliability of agencies will included as well. PM endorses the industry, but the public servants not. Heck, one penjawat awam i met blantly said," Saya tak tahu pasal sarang burung dan saya tak minat nak ambil tahu pasal sarang burunng"... when the fact is, his responsibility was to know and monitor the progression of such projects. Amazing Malaysia!!! (this is why i need copies of application forms for BH permits/licensing).

4. To prove the increase of successful bumiputra participation in the industry. Like it or not, this has to be included. Despite the hollering of 1Malaysia, we are still a race based community, but a community that mutually respects each others differences. The birds nest industry is a common ground, we all fight and strive for the same aim. Basically what bumiputra participation brings is a little bit more political leverage. If some disagree, then it is my mistake. And if it should be left out, please say so.

5. A sort of social impact assessment to the community surrounding the BH.

As mentioned before, do not worry about the methodology and stuff, will have the proper professional backup. Please comment freely. I need input-input-input!!! Thanks a bunch.

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Oct 21 2009, 10:01 AM

The general feeling is that the OWL will perch before entering to make further exploration. However, do owls fly straight into a building without standing on the ledge first? I think sometimes they do.

Nevertheless, the above device, though not foolproof, is of help.

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Added on October 21, 2009, 11:37 amDSMB,

The perhilitan people just wants to cling on to the power given to them eventhough they know that their original job is to protect the birds from extinction due to rampant and uncontrolled harvesting in the caves.

If they had done their job properly, the birds at Niah caves would be in Millions instead of 60,000.

This post has been edited by coolandy: Oct 21 2009, 11:43 AM