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post Oct 23 2009, 06:55 PM

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Budget 2010, subsection.

ADVANCING AGRICULTURE SECTOR

43. The agriculture sector has contributed significantly to the income of the
people in rural areas and to economic growth. The Government is confident that the
sector has the potential to be upgraded and play a significant role in generating
income for the rakyat. The transformation of the sector needs to be intensified from
cultivation to marketing the products. This process involves programmes aimed at
attracting more young entrepreneurs, encourage best agricultural practices and
upgrade agriculture infrastructure. For this purpose, the Government will allocate
RM6 billion for the agriculture sector, among others:

First: Upgrade and improve drainage and irrigation infrastructure in paddy
fields involving 180,000 farmers with an allocation of RM137 million;

Second: Implement the Paya Peda Dam Project in Terengganu, which will
increase water supply capacity to Skim Pengairan Padi in Besut. For
the year 2010, a sum of RM70 million will be provided;

Third: Modernise the aquaculture industry and implement entrepreneurship
training scheme for aquaculture breeders with focus on production of
fish fry and ornamental fish. The scheme will benefit 1,150
participants, involving an allocation of RM82 million;

Fourth: Develop food farming industry such as fruits, vegetables, organic
farming, herbs, seaweeds and swiftlet nests with an allocation of
RM149 million;


Fifth: Develop basic infrastructure of livestock farms and establish supply
chains for production of beef and mutton with an allocation of RM58
million; and

Sixth: Implement the incubator programme to train and guide youths and
graduates to be successful agro-entrepreneurs. This programme will
be jointly undertaken by the Ministry of Agriculture and Agro-based
Industry, Ministry of Youth and Sports, Universiti Putra Malaysia,
AgroBank and Regional Economic Corridors.


full text can be downloaded at;

http://bit.ly/2905En


by the way, the association i approached to do the survey, was responsive. However some say the effort as an aggressive approach saying it was like i'm intentionally provoking the relevant authorities. Hmm...

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post Oct 23 2009, 08:31 PM

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TQ- BAHASA : (Industri Sarang Burung Walet) UCAPAN PM DLM BAJET 2010:
Memajukan Sektor Pertanian - Kempat: ' Tidak lupa kepada Industri tanaman makanan seperti buah-buahan, sayur-sayuran, perladangan organik, herba, rumpai laut dan [B]sarang burung walet
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QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Oct 23 2009, 06:55 PM)
Budget 2010, subsection.

ADVANCING AGRICULTURE SECTOR

43. The agriculture sector has contributed significantly to the income of the
people in rural areas and to economic growth. The Government is confident that the
sector has the potential to be upgraded and play a significant role in generating
income for the rakyat. The transformation of the sector needs to be intensified from
cultivation to marketing the products. This process involves programmes aimed at
attracting more young entrepreneurs, encourage best agricultural practices and
upgrade agriculture infrastructure. For this purpose, the Government will allocate
RM6 billion for the agriculture sector, among others:

First: Upgrade and improve drainage and irrigation infrastructure in paddy
fields involving 180,000 farmers with an allocation of RM137 million;

Second: Implement the Paya Peda Dam Project in Terengganu, which will
increase water supply capacity to Skim Pengairan Padi in Besut. For
the year 2010, a sum of RM70 million will be provided;

Third: Modernise the aquaculture industry and implement entrepreneurship
training scheme for aquaculture breeders with focus on production of
fish fry and ornamental fish. The scheme will benefit 1,150
participants, involving an allocation of RM82 million;

Fourth: Develop food farming industry such as fruits, vegetables, organic
farming, herbs, seaweeds and swiftlet nests with an allocation of
RM149 million;


Fifth: Develop basic infrastructure of livestock farms and establish supply
chains for production of beef and mutton with an allocation of RM58
million; and

Sixth: Implement the incubator programme to train and guide youths and
graduates to be successful agro-entrepreneurs. This programme will
be jointly undertaken by the Ministry of Agriculture and Agro-based
Industry, Ministry of Youth and Sports, Universiti Putra Malaysia,
AgroBank and Regional Economic Corridors.
full text can be downloaded at;

http://bit.ly/2905En
by the way, the association i approached to do the survey, was responsive. However some say the effort as an aggressive approach saying it was like i'm intentionally provoking the relevant authorities. Hmm...
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post Oct 23 2009, 10:11 PM

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Utusan today, was informed by a friend that Perhilitan is organizing a workshop regarding the swiftlet industry;

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y...07.htm&arc=hive

there was no mention on where and what time, but was made understood from that friend it started last night 8-10pm, tomorrow and possibly Sunday location somewhere in Dengkil. Anyone here ever participated in those workshops?
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post Oct 24 2009, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Oct 23 2009, 10:11 PM)
Utusan today, was informed by a friend that Perhilitan is organizing a workshop regarding the swiftlet industry;

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y...07.htm&arc=hive

there was no mention on where and what time, but was made understood from that friend it started last night 8-10pm, tomorrow and possibly Sunday location somewhere in Dengkil. Anyone here ever participated in those workshops?
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Brother,

I have an question here,Are the non-bumi also get the benefit?
or it just open for bumi?
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post Oct 24 2009, 07:45 PM

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Honestly speaking, i have no idea. Thats why i'm so pissed with Perhilitan. They keep bugging BH owners and impose this and that, but when they themselves organize a workshop about the industry, they fail to publicize properly. I only got bits and pieces of information from friends... whether or not it is open to all or selectively bumi, i am not sure. It does sound logical though, what you implied... if they spread the word by mouth only among bumi's, would explain why only some people get to know. If that is the case, then it just shows Perhilitan practices selectivity. I'll try getting info from friends about the workshop once i get back to the west coast.
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post Oct 25 2009, 02:03 PM

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IMALAYSIA and hope that there is no IMALAYSIA 1st.Class, 2nd. Class and 3rd.Class........................I always believe that for Malaysia to be a top country, the leaders must only clasific its citizens into the the rich, the middle and the poor and not on races......otherwise, other countries will benefit from our 'divide and rule' policies. Hope that our PM is really speak from his heart and not just as a politician when he mention of a true Malaysian race; united, one for all and all for one.

I always argued before that what a use of having 70% or 80% of a small cake when you can have just 20% of a giant cake which is 100 times more than the whole of the small cake...............Another is the Kia Su altitude of some leaders not wanting to allow other races to be more prosperous but willingly invite Mat Sallehs to have the bigger share of the buz. Afterall, we are all Malaysian, what we gain, we put back into the country unlike the Mat Sallehs, they take their gain back to their countries of origin, leaving the shits for us to clean and suffer...............Hidup bangsa Malaysia... satu Malaysia, satu jiwa dan satu bangsa

I believe everyone irrespective of races @ forum share the same feeling. I never have problem with other races and they do come to me for consultation/advice on Swiftlets matters and I never fail them.....and some even on JV for BHs on their Malay land with other races to get better or fair deal.......
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post Oct 25 2009, 07:55 PM

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[quote=West Wing,Oct 25 2009, 02:03 PM]
IMALAYSIA and hope that there is no IMALAYSIA 1st.Class, 2nd. Class and 3rd.Class........................a true Malaysian race; united, one for all and all for one.

...............Hidup bangsa Malaysia... satu Malaysia, satu jiwa dan satu bangsa




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post Oct 26 2009, 09:46 AM

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This only real nightmare!!

Again in “今日农业” (Pertanian Hari Ini), see how they use big cage to trap all the wild swiftlets.

What can we do to safe our swiftlets?

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post Oct 26 2009, 06:49 PM

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Now as I am feeling abit better......I shall bring forward a little to discuss on swiftlets increment in BHs.

No long ago, when someone wrote about putting lighting in the BH to increase the population, I was tempted to disagree with him but then, I find that not the right time. Now, I shall post what I know but then you out there can disagree with me as I only share what I know.

Long ago, a new BH friend phoned me up to tell me that birds entering his BH in the middle of the night and I asked how he know. He told me that when he switched on the light, alot of birds seemed to be circling in the BH.
I kept quite but then, after a few weeks, he came to me as asked me why there seem to be no more birds in his BH. I told him that initially, his BH was quite popular with the birds until he stated to scare away all the birds with his middle of the night investigation into the number of birds every night.........he was angry with me for not telling him that earlier and my reply was that, do you believe me then????????

Another friend recently put a light below inside his entrance hole and he came to me and told me the good news that more birds are entering his BH. Then, the bad news came, upon inspection, there is no increament of the EBN in the BH. I told him that the light attracted the birds as they are curious but because of the light, it scared and prevent new birds from building new nests. After shutting off the light, the increment now become better and better and my friend is very happy with his BH.

So, my new friends in this venture, be very careful of what you do and even if advices or recommendations from consultant must be check and double check before applying. Who know maybe they are using you to try out something new.If successful, you win but they win much more but failure, you are the only sucker and fool!!!!!!

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post Oct 26 2009, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Oct 25 2009, 02:03 PM)
IMALAYSIA and hope that there is no IMALAYSIA 1st.Class, 2nd. Class and 3rd.Class........................I always believe that for Malaysia to be a top country, the leaders must only clasific its citizens into the the rich, the middle and the poor and not on races......otherwise, other countries will benefit from our 'divide and rule'  policies. Hope that our PM is really speak from his heart and not just as a politician when he mention of a true Malaysian race; united, one for all and all for one.

I always argued before that what a use of having 70% or 80% of a small cake when you can have just 20% of a giant cake which is 100 times more than the whole of the small cake...............Another is the Kia Su altitude of some leaders not wanting to allow other races to be more prosperous but willingly invite Mat Sallehs to have the bigger share of the buz.  Afterall, we are all Malaysian, what we gain, we put back into the country unlike the Mat Sallehs, they take their gain back to their countries of origin, leaving the shits for us to clean and suffer...............Hidup bangsa Malaysia... satu Malaysia, satu jiwa dan satu bangsa

I believe everyone irrespective of races @ forum share the same feeling. I never have problem with other races and they do come to me for consultation/advice on Swiftlets matters and I never fail them.....and some even on JV for BHs on their Malay land with other races to get better or fair deal.......
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Lets pray all the hype about 1Malaysia is true. I see the swiftlet industry as a common ground for people with the same passion. We will unite for the sake of the industry, but an added bonus would be support from the authorities.
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post Oct 27 2009, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Oct 23 2009, 10:11 PM)
Utusan today, was informed by a friend that Perhilitan is organizing a workshop regarding the swiftlet industry;

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y...07.htm&arc=hive

there was no mention on where and what time, but was made understood from that friend it started last night 8-10pm, tomorrow and possibly Sunday location somewhere in Dengkil. Anyone here ever participated in those workshops?
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My mother attended with an aunt. About 500 people attended. Only 2 Malaysian Chinese (my mother and aunt).

She said it was pretty cool. During the workshop they founded a new organisation, named tentatively Persatuan Something Burung Layang Layang BUmiputera Malaysia etc. This organisation will be funded by the abovementioned budget.
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post Oct 27 2009, 03:15 PM

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Out of curiosity, how did Perhilitan announce details about the workshop? I regularly open their website, but takde langsung inform.

All i can see is that it would be an abuse of funds (of the budget). Trust me on that. Anything ad-hoc, related to Perhilitan, attended by only bumi's... nothing good can come out of it.

Dear kotmj, can you ask your mother and aunt to fill in some details about the workshop? A simple summary jadilah.

I also heard that Perhilitan itself had a Bird House in Paya Indah Wetlands... made using some sort of synthetic polymer (or something like that)??? From a friend that entered, the temperature & humidity was way off despite using mist system. Oh, did i mention there was not a single bird/nest even though it was a year old? Either they intended the BH to be a show house, or Perhilitan has no idea what its doing.

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QUOTE(arong @ Oct 26 2009, 09:46 AM)
This only real nightmare!!

Again in “今日农业” (Pertanian Hari Ini), see how they use big cage to trap all the wild swiftlets.

What can we do to safe our swiftlets?
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I call to boycott this "swiftlet factory" style of farming, both to consumer or to producer.

Producer, you dont have to do whatever it takes to increase and increase production, if this closed style swiftlet farming get widespread, and bird nest production get a boost, what most likely is that the traditional wild swiftlet farm will be wiped out due to overwhelming supply which drag down the price. Because afterall, keeping swiftlet like chicken isn't really part of nature.

Consumer, you will never know what do they actually feed to these swiftlets, and there are no control of quality on these factory-breed bird nest, are they equivalent to the wild version? Compare to swiftlets that find their own food, they will know what is best for them, and hence produced a healthy bird nest.
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QUOTE(rexis @ Oct 27 2009, 03:19 PM)
I call to boycott this "swiftlet factory" style of farming, both to consumer or to producer.

Producer, you dont have to do whatever it takes to increase and increase production, if this closed style swiftlet farming get widespread, and bird nest production get a boost, what most likely is that the traditional wild swiftlet farm will be wiped out due to overwhelming supply which drag down the price. Because afterall, keeping swiftlet like chicken isn't really part of nature.

Consumer, you will never know what do they actually feed to these swiftlets, and there are no control of quality on these factory-breed bird nest, are they equivalent to the wild version? Compare to swiftlets that find their own food, they will know what is best for them, and hence produced a healthy bird nest.
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Haha... dear rexis, let me share some info about this 'swiftlet factory' concept. I secara tidak sengaja met an acquaintance of the swiftlet factory guy. I somehow showed displeasure at the concept since to me, it would be forcing a wild animal to acquire habits such as eating from machines etc2... the friend was a bit uneasy but rather than defending his friend, explained it for me to understand (since he too was not in preference of the technology).

The mentioned technology was imported from Indonesia, the biggest producer of birds nest. However... the technology is still in its infancy and not yet 100% developed nor has it been proven fool proof. We must remember... in Indonesia this industry has its specialist... PHD's and master's thesis in this field is not uncommon. They do serious research. It was the same for usage of 'foster' parents or seriti. They not only did trial and error, but did scientific data based research before applying it to the industry. The 'swiftlet factory' on the other hand is still in its trial phase. Like drugs or even new strains of paddy or chili or anything... it needs to pass a few clinical trial or pilots, not only in controlled environments during research but out in the field as well. All i can say is, that particular technology has not been fully developed nor has it been proven as of yet. Promoting a not yet proven technology is just typical... its the Malaysian way i guess. Other countries scientists & innovators take 10-15 years before coming out public with a new technology, we do it every other month! The victims? Uninformed investors.
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Dear all,

Anyone know what is the price/kg of the raw birdnest with 180 degree shape now?
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post Oct 27 2009, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Oct 27 2009, 03:51 PM)
Haha... dear rexis, let me share some info about this 'swiftlet factory' concept. I secara tidak sengaja met an acquaintance of the swiftlet factory guy. I somehow showed displeasure at the concept since to me, it would be forcing a wild animal to acquire habits such as eating from machines etc2... the friend was a bit uneasy but rather than defending his friend, explained it for me to understand (since he too was not in preference of the technology).

The mentioned technology was imported from Indonesia, the biggest producer of birds nest. However... the technology is still in its infancy and not yet 100% developed nor has it been proven fool proof. We must remember... in Indonesia this industry has its specialist... PHD's and master's thesis in this field is not uncommon. They do serious research. It was the same for usage of 'foster' parents or seriti. They not only did trial and error, but did scientific data based research before applying it to the industry. The 'swiftlet factory' on the other hand is still in its trial phase. Like drugs or even new strains of paddy or chili or anything... it needs to pass a few clinical trial or pilots, not only in controlled environments during research but out in the field as well. All i can say is, that particular technology has not been fully developed nor has it been proven as of yet. Promoting a not yet proven technology is just typical... its the Malaysian way i guess. Other countries scientists & innovators take 10-15 years before coming out public with a new technology, we do it every other month!  The victims? Uninformed investors.
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Hi

I haven't read this article before. but this is my opinon.

What's the reaction of swiftlet been caught? so far from my pass experience , if wild birds being caught ,90% of them will commit suicide, refuse to eat. If you feed those infant, will they still produce saliva? It is a question mark. hmm.gif


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post Oct 27 2009, 04:19 PM

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I think the swiftlet factory concept is incubating, feeding and conditioning young swiftlets. don't get me wrong cll666, i am against both capturing wild ones as well as breeding them unnaturally. My argument was to show how such an undeveloped technology or unproven technology be promoted to the public, it is ethically wrong for both humans and swiftlet. If the technology fails; we will get young swiftlets unable to adapt to conditions in the wild, and those who invest will lose hardly earned cash.

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Oh God, They are breeding Swiftlets in closed farms; cut their feathers and hand feed the swiftlets. Very soon the swiftlets will get too fat to fly anyway and if they become successfully; they are going to create new diseases to the swiftlets that never happen to the swiftlets and they will need to feed special Antibiotic to the swiftlets to cure new diseases and in the end will also be the end of the swiftlets's industry as all birdnests will be tainted with poison and antibiotics residue that is also harmful to human.

Worst....if they are going to create super size nests, what they are going to feed the swiftlets with ?????????????Steriod!!!!! or new drugs or formulated food that will create super 10 kilo swiftlets that may produce half kilo nest each and when eaten, produce 300 kilo human being or ......
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QUOTE(West Wing @ Oct 27 2009, 05:18 PM)
Oh God, They are breeding Swiftlets in closed farms; cut their feathers and hand feed the swiftlets. Very soon the swiftlets will get too fat to fly anyway and if they become successfully; they are going to create new diseases to the swiftlets that never happen to the swiftlets and they will need to feed special Antibiotic to the swiftlets to cure new diseases and in the end will also be the end of the swiftlets's industry as all birdnests will be tainted with poison and antibiotics residue that is also harmful to human.

Worst....if they are going to create super size nests, what they are going to feed the swiftlets with ?????????????Steriod!!!!! or new drugs or formulated food that will create super 10 kilo swiftlets that may produce half kilo nest each  and when eaten, produce 300 kilo human being or ......
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hahahaha! your sense of passionate sarcasm never fails to amuse me bro WW. well, who knows what advancement in technology would bring. the possibility is endless, but for now... lets stick to the methods so far proven worthwhile.

since i too am against GMO's... that thought you flirted with is scary!!!!!!!!!!!

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