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 V2. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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post Sep 24 2009, 04:43 PM

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Are we allowed to convert a residential apartment into a BH?
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post Sep 24 2009, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Sep 24 2009, 06:07 PM)
haven't seen one before... but that sounds to me like poking a hornets nest. i mean... even shop lots are harassed with licenses/permits/undang-undang kecil kerajaan tempatan/PERHILITAN/complaints from various parties... and those are commercial/bangunan lots. A residential apartment??? Gila ah!!
(My personal point of view)

CWG, thanks for the links. i'm still eying that data logger...
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Hmmm... I ask because the occupancy rate around here is maybe 30% and there are maybe 40 swiftlets using one of the car parks as nesting ground 20 meters away from my unit.

Does anyone know for sure? I'm pretty determined to go ahead with it, legal or not, but would like to know nonetheless.
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post Sep 24 2009, 08:11 PM

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I'm 80% sure they are the species we desire. They look like those in the pictures here, and the nests from 3 meters away look exactly like those my uncle gave me as samples (he's really into this, my uncle). Maybe I'll snap a pic tomorrow. Not sure if they are there during the day. But they sure make one hell of a noise at night.
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post Oct 13 2009, 07:01 PM

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I was at several Dawson outlets today. I have a pretty good idea now of the sound system components. I have 2 questions:

1. How many wattage does the amplifier for the internal sound needs to be for a 500 sqft BH? How many tweeters?

2. The wattage for the external sound? No. of tweeters?
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post Oct 13 2009, 09:41 PM

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Hey thanks. Why can't I use a 2-channel amp for internal sound? Why six?
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post Oct 13 2009, 10:39 PM

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2X 2-channels sounds interesting.

I found out today the 2 channel amp that costs RM 118 has only 28 Watts. That comes across to me as very little. The saleswoman says only 20 tweeters can be powered by it.
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post Oct 14 2009, 02:27 PM

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You guys are so fatalistic. And I understand why too. Your BH probably makes up the majority of your income, and any negative developments regarding regulation or more sophisticated competitors will make you sleep poorly.

For me, I make nothing yet from this. So I can approach swiftlet farming like a game; playfully, experimentally, as a diversion from my day job.

BTW, town bird houses are dead anyway. The gov. will want all such activities to be done on agricultural land, the way poultry farming is done.


Added on October 14, 2009, 2:29 pmWhat we'll see in the next few years is a consolidation of this industry, from many small players to a few big ones.

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post Oct 14 2009, 08:54 PM

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Swiftlet ranching in populated areas will disappear in a few year's time. It does not fit into our society's expectations. It will be an unstoppable force. The gov. will clean them away the way beggars, games arcades, and little gambling outlets have been cleaned away.

I mean, look what they are doing to the tobacco industry. Society doesn't accept tobacco.

If I'm in this industry for the long term, I would start scouting for suitable agricultural land right now.
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post Oct 27 2009, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Oct 23 2009, 10:11 PM)
Utusan today, was informed by a friend that Perhilitan is organizing a workshop regarding the swiftlet industry;

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y...07.htm&arc=hive

there was no mention on where and what time, but was made understood from that friend it started last night 8-10pm, tomorrow and possibly Sunday location somewhere in Dengkil. Anyone here ever participated in those workshops?
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My mother attended with an aunt. About 500 people attended. Only 2 Malaysian Chinese (my mother and aunt).

She said it was pretty cool. During the workshop they founded a new organisation, named tentatively Persatuan Something Burung Layang Layang BUmiputera Malaysia etc. This organisation will be funded by the abovementioned budget.
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post Oct 28 2009, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Oct 27 2009, 03:15 PM)
Out of curiosity, how did Perhilitan announce details about the workshop? I regularly open their website, but takde langsung inform.

All i can see is that it would be an abuse of funds (of the budget). Trust me on that. Anything ad-hoc, related to Perhilitan, attended by only bumi's... nothing good can come out of it.

Dear kotmj, can you ask your mother and aunt to fill in some details about the workshop? A simple summary jadilah.

I also heard that Perhilitan itself had a Bird House in Paya Indah Wetlands... made using some sort of synthetic polymer (or something like that)??? From a friend that entered, the temperature & humidity was way off despite using mist system. Oh, did i mention there was not a single bird/nest even though it was a year old? Either they intended the BH to be a show house, or Perhilitan has no idea what its doing.
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Yes, the workshop was at Paya Indah. They now have 20 nests in their experimental BH. Participants were allowed to tour it (which prob. explains why it's not so hot with the birds).

I think there is almost zero publicity. My aunt is married to a Malay, and it was she who told my mother about it. It's word of mouth mostly. They did say that the name of the new org. will be controversial due to the "bumiputera" in it; the speaker said the reason for it was because the Chinese already are very strong in this industry and have their own orgs. and lobbyists. This was to help bumiputeras enter the industry. But the name has yet to be approved by the ministry.

Each participant got a cert.

There were also given a book "Edible-Nest Swiftlets Management in Asia" which is a compilation of 15 research papers in very bad English from around Asia. They also got a big poster which showed the nests of various types of swiftlets; black, brown, grass and white nests. And many broschures.
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post Oct 31 2009, 03:34 PM

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We don't have an alternative to BN in this country. It's not like in many other Western countries where there are essentially 2 strong parties, each a credible alternative and each with lots of experience running the country, either alone or in coalition with another party.

Here, we have BN. And we have the jokers.
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post Oct 31 2009, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Oct 31 2009, 03:54 PM)
I see nothing wrong talking about politics here, the bigger picture of the industry does involve gov policies, and its them politicians that make up the government. Either way, let it be BN or Opposition (opposition here seems to be the opposite in some states), as long as they facilitate the industry... then its ok with me.

If the one-stop center will be as what you mentioned, then it would be a good thing!!! I just hope it won't be another corrupt set up... since most of the agencies involved are kinda infamous for such practices.

Here's todays;

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file...006&sec=central

Batang Berjuntai area. Still got people thinking that swiftlets shit on cars. And still highlighting errant BH owners. Same old same old, trust me, this new guideline will definitely cause town BH's to be eradicated at this rate.  In the past 2 months there has been more than a dozen articles about the swiftlet industry in mainstream papers... only 2-3 in a positive light. I believe some parties are aiming something or have an agenda. It just isn't by coincidence. (ok-ok, maybe i'm over reacting thinking about some conspiracy theory). Anyway, how can they blame its the swiftlet industry that caused people to move out, when the most of the time swiftlet farms are made in washed out tak laku development areas to begin with? Come on la, everybody knows Bestari Jaya is just a joke, existing only because a Jawa had a dream. I passed by the old road that day and saw the Yu Hue Swiftlet. Also saw the Selangor Fruit Valley... which looked more like an African savanna.

I heard Datuk Beh presented the Kedah guideline, is this true? Does anyone have a copy?
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I can imagine many, many people who dislike living, or working, or operating businesses where swiftlets in the hundreds breed. But I cannot imagine them being in any way cohesive and organized enough to willfully sabotage the industry. This is what I said earlier about how there will be no town BHs anymore in a few years. The collective dissatisfaction of the general population is irresistably strong and one politicians have to react to. Many little voices will come to a booming chorus. The days of the town BH are numbered.


Added on October 31, 2009, 4:47 pmMany of you are still in a state of complete denial. It is interesting for me to see this. It reminds me of the Jews who stayed on in the ghettos while they were transported truck-by-truck to the concentration camps. Many will not believe what they heard of those camps. Like many of you, there is something in their brains that stops them from recognizing the blindingly obvious. And to take action.

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post Nov 3 2009, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(tangsn @ Nov 3 2009, 11:42 AM)
[COLOR=red]2. Lesen Mengambil Sarang from PERHILITAN

We are not harvest the nest from cave,We are harvest from our own porperty,
why we need to get approval from the Suck department?For sure cave is not our property,
Why our property still need other people approval to do something????
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Because the birds are the government's property?

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