V19, a new phase for stock market.
Stock market V19, Chit chat in the market
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 Dec 6 2008, 09:22 AM, updated 17y ago
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Dec 6 2008, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 6 2008, 10:22 AM) V19, a new phase for stock market. REPORTING   |
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Dec 6 2008, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 6 2008, 09:06 AM) When we know why probably will be too late already Today Saturday, a bit late into office. haha.  Cherroy haven't wake up yet wait for him to creat version 19  QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 6 2008, 09:10 AM) Not really think it is a good move to buy a company shares where its director is throwing it... Some thing is not right .... Whenever company directors or substantial shareholders selling stock into the market, 99% is advisable to stay out.Remember we don know what happened inside .....We must invest in a more transparent company. They knew and had the most inside details and how the company business situation. Nobody wants to sell their stocks if company's prospect is bright and going to have good earning and dividend unless some special circumstances. |
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 sigh.....you guys are so energetic, even in such a pathetic market.I am so listless already,  even Dow up I feel numb. Dow up, our market still bearish. Imagine Dow down, our market will trend even worse...!  Our stock market volume is so poor, no volume means lower chances of recovery. Worldwide, fund managers' cash are lacking, I don't think when global recovery takes place , they are going to invest here first, we will be one of the last, just like 2 years' ago's boom, KLSE was always playing catch up . So, this time when worldwide recovers, ours will catch up lagging behind 2 years. I need to prepare myself mentally to hold at least 5 years  This post has been edited by sharesa: Dec 6 2008, 09:51 AM |
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My hands so itchy la. Been on the sidelines for almost 2 weeks now. Plus Monday holiday. So boring.
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Dec 6 2008, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Dec 6 2008, 09:49 AM) sigh.....you guys are so energetic, even in such a pathetic market.I am so listless already, even Dow up I feel numb. Dow up, our market still bearish. Imagine Dow down, our market will trend even worse...! Our stock market volume is so poor, no volume means lower chances of recovery. Worldwide, fund managers' cash are lacking, I don't think when global recovery takes place , they are going to invest here first, we will be one of the last, just like 2 years' ago's boom, KLSE was always playing catch up . So, this time when worldwide recovers, ours will catch up lagging behind 2 years. I need to prepare myself mentally to hold at least 5 years QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 6 2008, 09:55 AM) My hands so itchy la. Been on the sidelines for almost 2 weeks now. Plus Monday holiday. So boring. Besides some counters like YTLPOWER, I think you didn't miss anything. Shares has been dropping for the past 2 weeks. Hope to see a small rebound as I want to goreng my KNM stocks.... Edit : Would it be correct to say that comparing stocks to unit trust, stocks would be a better buy at the moment for the long-term?  This post has been edited by kmarc: Dec 6 2008, 10:08 AM |
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Hopefully, we'll experience the traditional year-end window dressing in V19.
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Dec 6 2008, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 6 2008, 10:04 AM) I guess that's to be expected in this bear market. Some reports are saying the Asian stock markets will probably recover before the West..... late in and early out.... hope so as I don't want to wait to long to see some good news! Besides some counters like YTLPOWER, I think you didn't miss anything. Shares has been dropping for the past 2 weeks. Hope to see a small rebound as I want to goreng my KNM stocks.... Edit : Would it be correct to say that comparing stocks to unit trust, stocks would be a better buy at the moment for the long-term? Heard from my friend who has investment in Unit Trust that he has lost between 30% to 60% from different funds this year. This has more or less wipe out all the gains that has been building up over the years for him. I guess UT is for you if don't have time to monitor or want exposure to markets otherwise not avaliable (like those china funds) |
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Dec 6 2008, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE(PBB boleh @ Dec 6 2008, 10:27 AM) Heard from my friend who has investment in Unit Trust that he has lost between 30% to 60% from different funds this year. This has more or less wipe out all the gains that has been building up over the years for him. That's also true for stocks where they have dropped quite a lot.I guess UT is for you if don't have time to monitor or want exposure to markets otherwise not avaliable (like those china funds) What I'm asking is, at this time, would it be correct to say that given a choice, shares would be a better pick rather than unit trust for maximum profitability in the long run? (sorry if the question is so noob  )This post has been edited by kmarc: Dec 6 2008, 10:32 AM |
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Dec 6 2008, 10:38 AM
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V19 now. Check in as well.
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Dec 6 2008, 10:43 AM
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 6 2008, 10:31 AM) That's also true for stocks where they have dropped quite a lot. That is what I m think of now. Last yr economic really boom b4 oct 07 when US mortgage n subprime crisis really struck their economic. KLSE rose to 1300+ PB mutual earn me 5K+. but right now if i sale I L b losing 7k+. If hoping UT need to wait for few yrs. anyway UT safe unlike stock company will goes privatize some already bust .....What I'm asking is, at this time, would it be correct to say that given a choice, shares would be a better pick rather than unit trust for maximum profitability in the long run? (sorry if the question is so noob ) |
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Dec 6 2008, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Dec 6 2008, 09:49 AM) sigh.....you guys are so energetic, even in such a pathetic market.I am so listless already, even Dow up I feel numb. Dow up, our market still bearish. Imagine Dow down, our market will trend even worse...! Our stock market volume is so poor, no volume means lower chances of recovery. Worldwide, fund managers' cash are lacking, I don't think when global recovery takes place , they are going to invest here first, we will be one of the last, just like 2 years' ago's boom, KLSE was always playing catch up . So, this time when worldwide recovers, ours will catch up lagging behind 2 years. I need to prepare myself mentally to hold at least 5 years Some sort like you drop the least, you surge at last or lesser. Compared index to index, KLCI actually loss a bit lesser compared to other regional bourses. HSI drops from 32K to now 13K (60% loss), STI from 3.7K to 1.6k (56%), KLCI from 1500 to 800 (46%) QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 6 2008, 10:31 AM) That's also true for stocks where they have dropped quite a lot. If compared to some fundamental good stocks, then stock outperform UT generally. What I'm asking is, at this time, would it be correct to say that given a choice, shares would be a better pick rather than unit trust for maximum profitability in the long run? (sorry if the question is so noob )As one major disadvantage of UT, is its management fee. If the stock you hold not rising, then you breakeven, but in UT, due to the management fee, you will lose 1.5% annually, so if the stock is not moving 10 years, then in stock, you breakeven, in UT, you lose 15% already, no including initial service charges of 5% compared to 1.5% commission of stock trading. UT portfolio is more diversified, so it will normalise both upside and downside. You holding 2 to 3 stocks in your hand, if those stocks surge 50%, then you gain 50%. But in UT, they have bunch of stock in their portfolio, 2 to 3 stocks surge 50%, won't able to result the fund gain 50%, as there might be other perform not so good or bad one, so other will normalise it which result fund only gain 20-30%. But on the downside, if your holding stocks drop 50%, then you loss 50%, but if the UT portfolio is diversifed enough to have some stocks that are still performing quite good, then the fund performance might loss only 20%. But currently, it is not the case in most funds, as recent stock market plunge is worldwide and across. Only a handful of stocks are able to offset in recent downturn, locally and typically like BAT, F&N etc, which one hand finger already enough to count.  But the main problem and issue in stock & UT comparison is the stock pick, if you pick the wrong stock to invest then it could be a lot poorer than UT. So can't totally which one is better, stock pick is the key. Just my 2 cents. This post has been edited by cherroy: Dec 6 2008, 11:03 AM |
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Dec 6 2008, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 6 2008, 11:01 AM) If compared to some fundamental good stocks, then stock outperform UT generally. Thx for the excellent explanation. As one major disadvantage of UT, is its management fee. If the stock you hold not rising, then you breakeven, but in UT, due to the management fee, you will lose 1.5% annually, so if the stock is not moving 10 years, then in stock, you breakeven, in UT, you lose 15% already, no including initial service charges of 5% compared to 1.5% commission of stock trading. UT portfolio is more diversified, so it will normalise both upside and downside. You holding 2 to 3 stocks in your hand, if those stocks surge 50%, then you gain 50%. But in UT, they have bunch of stock in their portfolio, 2 to 3 stocks surge 50%, won't able to result the fund gain 50%, as there might be other perform not so good or bad one, so other will normalise it which result fund only gain 20-30%. But on the downside, if your holding stocks drop 50%, then you loss 50%, but if the UT portfolio is diversifed enough to have some stocks that are still performing quite good, then the fund performance might loss only 20%. But currently, it is not the case in most funds, as recent stock market plunge is worldwide and across. Only a handful of stocks are able to offset in recent downturn, locally and typically like BAT, F&N etc, which one hand finger already enough to count. But the main problem and issue in stock & UT comparison is the stock pick, if you pick the wrong stock to invest then it could be a lot poorer than UT. So can't totally which one is better, stock pick is the key. Just my 2 cents. I would conclude that UT are cushioned more as compared to stocks. I understand the dividends are also less i.e. less risk, less returns and high risk, high returns (and loss!!) Honestly, I do wished that good stocks drop a bit more than that so that I can buy them cheaper!! Including the ones you mentioned i.e. BAT & F&N, others are like public bank, BJTOTO, SIME, etc. I actually acquired SIME at RM5.00 (500 shares only) because it had a significant drop last week!!! My target price was below it's lowest price of RM5.50 but since it dropped so much, might as well stock up on it.... This post has been edited by kmarc: Dec 6 2008, 11:38 AM |
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Dec 6 2008, 12:21 PM
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thx mr. cherroy good explaination,
u did mention about the disadvantages of UT is the management fee, so I m currently holding UT with SIP. in SIP although every month buy UT with discounted rate but still pay the management fee... so at this moment during economic recession it would b more more disadvantage is it? |
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Dec 6 2008, 12:57 PM
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Reporting in
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Dec 6 2008, 01:17 PM
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december should be good
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Dec 6 2008, 01:22 PM
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v19 already! Congrat!
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Dec 6 2008, 01:28 PM
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Version 19,
Ding Dong between the range 800. |
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Dec 6 2008, 01:30 PM
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The best is yet to come...
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Oh my.. This chinese new year sure very boring
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QUOTE(DanceNation @ Dec 6 2008, 01:30 PM) The best is yet to come... hopefully the worst to be ended soon.Added on December 6, 2008, 2:06 pm QUOTE(keith_hjinhoh @ Dec 6 2008, 01:51 PM) Oh my.. This chinese new year sure very boring then I wish santa would come to town and choi san yeh will give us fatt choiThis post has been edited by aoisky: Dec 6 2008, 02:06 PM |
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doubt it, but never hurts to hope for a new year and a new start?
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the worse still will come..or even stay longer...Very tough 2009 |
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Dec 6 2008, 03:25 PM
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Wow, version 18 fully loaded before the year end. So fast!
Seem version 18 was not bring properous to us all. Hope version 19 will do what previous version left over . Anyway, reporting in for version 19.  |
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Dec 6 2008, 03:51 PM
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MMC buys Senai airport for RM1.7b cash
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...73&sec=business Any takers? At your own risk hoh Oh ya, checking-in too  This post has been edited by Muliku: Dec 6 2008, 03:53 PM |
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Dec 6 2008, 05:28 PM
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I do hope KNM increases next week. Bought quite a lot edy. |
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no "fatt" in v18 la. Lots of paper loss only. Min contra gains only. Hope v19 more fatt.
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Dec 6 2008, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE(yeeeeko @ Dec 6 2008, 06:53 PM) no "fatt" in v18 la. Lots of paper loss only. Min contra gains only. Hope v19 more fatt. the next "fatt" is 28. Still 9 more to go. But anyway earn some recently |
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QUOTE(Freelancer @ Dec 6 2008, 05:28 PM) Checking in... wats ur average price? im thinking to buy someI do hope KNM increases next week. Bought quite a lot edy. |
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Dec 6 2008, 10:42 PM
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my knm is at 0.54
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QUOTE(wschan @ Dec 6 2008, 10:15 PM) wats ur average price? im thinking to buy some 120,000 units at 0.492 average. |
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Dec 7 2008, 01:23 AM
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U guys exposure in KNM is a lot
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Dec 7 2008, 01:38 AM
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QUOTE(Freelancer @ Dec 7 2008, 01:19 AM) 120,000 units at 0.492 average. wah u not scare r 120 lots, I think knm will drop further lor until yrs endThis post has been edited by aoisky: Dec 7 2008, 01:40 AM |
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Dec 7 2008, 10:26 AM
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i dare not to avg knm now .. fear
but maybe its time to feel greed also haha contradicting |
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Dec 7 2008, 11:46 AM
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Here's a good read on our Malaysian's economy : http://www.malaysiafinance.blogspot.com/ (while you're there, can enjoy the pictures too!
)Read the part on "Proverbial stuff hitting the fan" written on last Friday. He concluded by saying that our economy MIGHT just show the full impact 3-6 months AFTER the rest of the world markets does..... Hence, the conflicting reports (@ predictions) on how Malaysia's economy will perform.... some say we will not go into recession, some say "late in and early out" and some say poor economy for some time.... for me, I tend to believe the latter.... This post has been edited by kmarc: Dec 7 2008, 11:56 AM |
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 7 2008, 02:38 AM) wah u not scare r 120 lots, I think knm will drop further lor until yrs end bcareful, the stock market $$ is not easy to earn 1. knm is not really depend on ci now. even ci is up it may not up or so. it is a penny stock now, but it is a good indicator that ci may near to bottom and good for blue chip.    This post has been edited by sampoo: Dec 7 2008, 12:46 PM |
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 7 2008, 11:46 AM) Here's a good read on our Malaysian's economy : http://www.malaysiafinance.blogspot.com/ (while you're there, can enjoy the pictures too! wah another blog relating to economic and trading reference r.... thx 1st )Read the part on "Proverbial stuff hitting the fan" written on last Friday. He concluded by saying that our economy MIGHT just show the full impact 3-6 months AFTER the rest of the world markets does..... Hence, the conflicting reports (@ predictions) on how Malaysia's economy will perform.... some say we will not go into recession, some say "late in and early out" and some say poor economy for some time.... for me, I tend to believe the latter.... erm... wonder who wrote it insert so many lieng lui pic. |
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Anyone of you know when the dividend payout for the following counters ? Is it worth to wait for the dividend payout before selling ? thanks.
TM KNM Genting Commerz Airasia |
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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Dec 7 2008, 05:20 PM) Anyone of you know when the dividend payout for the following counters ? Is it worth to wait for the dividend payout before selling ? thanks. Without any reference, I can assure one ie. Airasia never gives dividend one. TM KNM Genting Commerz Airasia |
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 7 2008, 09:33 PM) Without any reference, I can assure one ie. Airasia never gives dividend one. Are you sure ? I thought Airasia making money every year and why no dividend payout ?  |
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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Dec 8 2008, 10:02 AM) Are you sure ? I thought Airasia making money every year and why no dividend payout ? You can check your trading platform. It should provide all the financial summary for each company as it is available in my RHBInvest platform.If you don't have, maybe you can check in KLSE website. It should have. For since 2006, it doesn't pay dividend to shareholder. One of the reason maybe because it need capital for growth expansion(buy new plane, new route, etc..) or it have huge debts that need to settle first. Usually stable company like PBB, Maybank, TM, Tenaga which generate consistent income will provide dividend. This post has been edited by dreams_achiever: Dec 8 2008, 10:15 AM Attached thumbnail(s) 
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Dec 8 2008, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE(dreams_achiever @ Dec 8 2008, 10:15 AM) You can check your trading platform. It should provide all the financial summary for each company as it is available in my RHBInvest platform. Thanks for the info. I will check later.If you don't have, maybe you can check in KLSE website. It should have. For since 2006, it doesn't pay dividend to shareholder. One of the reason maybe because it need capital for growth expansion(buy new plane, new route, etc..) or it have huge debts that need to settle first. Usually stable company like PBB, Maybank, TM, Tenaga which generate consistent income will provide dividend. |
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Nikkei 225 and Hang Seng are GREEN for the morning session.
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Dec 8 2008, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Dec 8 2008, 10:02 AM) Are you sure ? I thought Airasia making money every year and why no dividend payout ? Just fyi,Airasia is making a loss of 400+ millions on lastest Q financial report. |
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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Dec 7 2008, 06:20 PM) Anyone of you know when the dividend payout for the following counters ? Is it worth to wait for the dividend payout before selling ? thanks. yes, u can wait till dividend paid out, but i doubt the stock after the dividend will be perform like tenaga, sime, maybank & etc. All down 10% - 30% after the dividend. if i am u i will sell the stock b4 the dividend date in order to earn the fast $$ and buy back later. TM KNM Genting Commerz Airasia so many stock cheap now.  This post has been edited by sampoo: Dec 8 2008, 11:17 AM |
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Dec 8 2008, 12:09 PM
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dang, now ppl 'chong', we're closed~ when ppl drops, we open and drop together
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this tool is provided by which party?
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Dec 8 2008, 12:47 PM
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Nikkei 225 morning closed + 255
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Dec 8 2008, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE(sueway @ Dec 8 2008, 12:44 PM) this tool is provided by which party? Trading platform. |
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QUOTE(sueway @ Dec 8 2008, 12:44 PM) this tool is provided by which party? I thought that guy already mention.Added on December 8, 2008, 12:49 pm QUOTE(dreams_achiever @ Dec 8 2008, 10:15 AM) You can check your trading platform. It should provide all the financial summary for each company as it is available in my RHBInvest platform. This post has been edited by aoisky: Dec 8 2008, 12:49 PM |
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Dec 8 2008, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 8 2008, 12:49 PM) I thought that guy already mention. sorry, i overlook the "RHB" Added on December 8, 2008, 12:49 pm |
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QUOTE(sueway @ Dec 8 2008, 12:55 PM) sorry, i overlook the "RHB" never mind. me sometimes oso like tat.this forum ppl behave like that 1 la ask then read haha |
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 8 2008, 01:04 PM) never mind. me sometimes oso like tat. wahaha..next time maybe i should bold it so that it is readable to everyone else this forum ppl behave like that 1 la ask then read haha Anyway, you also can get this information in KLSE website as well. |
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Dec 8 2008, 03:10 PM
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Extreme green day across the region espeically HSI (up 1K points at time being) as well as expected from Europe opening even though US job data last Friday showed loss of 500K+ job over the October.
The market simply price in a lot of negative data already, anything is not that disastrous, is considered a good news. Added on December 8, 2008, 3:12 pmNext year is 'bull' year in Chinese calendar, so hopefully the bull will come out from the market. This post has been edited by cherroy: Dec 8 2008, 03:12 PM |
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Dec 8 2008, 03:32 PM
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wah US unemployment increase so much r..
I think Penang's foreign base company will be safe for the time being due USD trade higher than MYR This post has been edited by aoisky: Dec 8 2008, 03:33 PM |
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 8 2008, 03:10 PM) Extreme green day across the region espeically HSI (up 1K points at time being) as well as expected from Europe opening even though US job data last Friday showed loss of 500K+ job over the October. Hoping my HSI-C6 which bought at 0.040 will Boost Up tomorrow. The market simply price in a lot of negative data already, anything is not that disastrous, is considered a good news. Added on December 8, 2008, 3:12 pmNext year is 'bull' year in Chinese calendar, so hopefully the bull will come out from the market. |
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Dec 8 2008, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE(Mika @ Dec 8 2008, 04:27 PM) Hoping my HSI-C6 which bought at 0.040 will Boost Up tomorrow. looks like it wil |
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Dec 8 2008, 06:02 PM
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oil soar !! will KNM rally ?
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Dec 8 2008, 08:36 PM
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Seems like KLCI missed its big rally today.
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Dec 8 2008, 09:52 PM
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And I'm going to miss the big rally tomorrow as I'll be busy.....
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Dec 8 2008, 09:59 PM
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not necessary to be a big rally. U know recently KLCI seems to be detached from DJIA.
But certain counter will soar. |
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Dec 8 2008, 10:02 PM
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Maybe detached from DJIA but Asian stocks also rallied..... unless KLSE is so detached from everybody else, I predict that it will rally tomorrow....
Of course, that's my noob prediction....  |
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Dec 8 2008, 10:21 PM
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will rally but not to the extend like any other regional market :-p
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Dec 8 2008, 10:31 PM
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DJIA opens with:
8,635.42 +259.18 +3.09% |
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Dec 8 2008, 10:39 PM
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whoever bought GM and F already enjoying handsome earning..
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Dec 9 2008, 08:15 AM
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DJIA closed at:
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Dec 9 2008, 08:44 AM
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ha..... pre open KNM 0.48....
big gain from friday 0.42 (i hope this price can maintain till opening) |
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Dec 9 2008, 08:51 AM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 7 2008, 01:38 AM) wah u not scare r 120 lots, I think knm will drop further lor until yrs end Not inclusive of 80000 units bought at 0.425 on Friday. |
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Dec 9 2008, 08:54 AM
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will knm sustain the current value?
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Dec 9 2008, 08:54 AM
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QUOTE(Freelancer @ Dec 9 2008, 09:51 AM) Not inclusive of 80000 units bought at 0.425 on Friday. morning think may shoot to 15 - 20 points, but later dun know. Greedy already leh. This post has been edited by sampoo: Dec 9 2008, 08:56 AM |
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Dec 9 2008, 09:02 AM
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today all green color all over the screen but it seem niceer than red color
Added on December 9, 2008, 9:03 amall up so dont thk will enter any counter today .. boring This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 9 2008, 09:03 AM |
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Dec 9 2008, 09:04 AM
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morning everyone splendid week ahead, Opec oil cut should put a small crack (smile) on everyone's face today.
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Dec 9 2008, 09:07 AM
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resorts up haha
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Dec 9 2008, 09:11 AM
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just up by a couple of bids only, didn't shoot up like mad or anything.
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 Dec 9 2008, 09:15 AM
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Dec 9 2008, 10:11 AM) just up by a couple of bids only, didn't shoot up like mad or anything. be patient. good rally will not over shoot, but it will shooooot as expected. normally consolidating uptrend for a month time.  This post has been edited by sampoo: Dec 9 2008, 09:16 AM |
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Dec 9 2008, 09:21 AM
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later sure soften, profit taking
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Dec 9 2008, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(alivecmh @ Dec 8 2008, 10:39 PM) whoever bought GM and F already enjoying handsome earning.. It only applicable for those bought a few days ago, other than that especially longer term, investors in this stock are suffering massive losses, even for those bought 30-50 years ago. You wish you don't have this stock in the first place. QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 9 2008, 08:54 AM) morning think may shoot to 15 - 20 points, but later dun know. Later fade away Greedy already leh.  |
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Dec 9 2008, 09:23 AM
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Anyone know what's wrong with PA. Shooting so high ? Is it BIG fish controlling the price behind the scene
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Dec 9 2008, 09:25 AM
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never heard bout PA .. any info on this
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Dec 9 2008, 09:25 AM
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haizzzz... KNM no luck at 0.48
there fly my shark fin sold at 0.455... only can eat big MAc |
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Dec 9 2008, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 9 2008, 10:22 AM) Later fade away wat i mean morning is not mean 9.00 sharp lah, as long as the market is open before 11.00am still consider morning. see how it perform. |
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Dec 9 2008, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 9 2008, 09:26 AM) wat i mean morning is not mean 9.00 sharp lah, as long as the market is open before 11.00am still consider morning. see how it perform. act i would say around 10 heheAdded on December 9, 2008, 9:32 amshit resorts losing steam haha This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 9 2008, 09:32 AM |
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Dec 9 2008, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 9 2008, 09:54 AM) morning think may shoot to 15 - 20 points, but later dun know. BINGO. 9.35am (CI: 15.09) Greedy already leh. |
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Dec 9 2008, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE(jvcpcv55 @ Dec 9 2008, 09:25 AM) haizzzz... KNM no luck at 0.48 Should have waited a bit. Now 0.465. there fly my shark fin sold at 0.455... only can eat big MAc |
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Dec 9 2008, 09:41 AM
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I'm still holding PA. Seems like no one with me on this stock :-p Bought at friday lowest price. Thinking of should i greed as everyone is greed now
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Dec 9 2008, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE(Freelancer @ Dec 9 2008, 09:37 AM) Should have waited a bit. Now 0.465. ya....the M2U keep disconnect...i worry can't key in on time  where did my shark fin swim to??? |
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Dec 9 2008, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE(alivecmh @ Dec 9 2008, 09:41 AM) I'm still holding PA. Seems like no one with me on this stock :-p Bought at friday lowest price. Thinking of should i greed as everyone is greed now wah not bad up by 0.02, u already break even loh |
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Dec 9 2008, 10:09 AM
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i bought at 0.355 on last Friday. Waiting for it to break 0.42 before i consider to sell.
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Dec 9 2008, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE(alivecmh @ Dec 9 2008, 10:09 AM) i bought at 0.355 on last Friday. Waiting for it to break 0.42 before i consider to sell. Great, dont forget to set your trailing cutloss point. Incidently, Jupiter Securities recom trading buy today is PA & Ranhill |
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Dec 9 2008, 10:44 AM
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I see. But i have sold it at 0.405 just few mins ago. Plan to buy again later.
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Dec 9 2008, 11:05 AM
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oopss resorts 2.23
Added on December 9, 2008, 11:09 amresorts buying back shares everyday to support This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 9 2008, 11:09 AM |
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Dec 9 2008, 11:10 AM
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ya.... resort got heavy selling....
will reload when it reach 2.... |
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Dec 9 2008, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE(jvcpcv55 @ Dec 9 2008, 11:10 AM) ya.... resort got heavy selling.... 2 .. prob not today will reload when it reach 2.... |
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Dec 9 2008, 11:15 AM
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wow... KNM coming down again?????????????
no worry on resort... i don't think it will fly in near future... i will n can wait at 2 This post has been edited by jvcpcv55: Dec 9 2008, 11:16 AM |
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Dec 9 2008, 11:16 AM
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massive selling of KNM !!!!. Just now miss the boat to buy at low price. Now chance coming again... what do you think ? Is it good to buy at 0.38 ?
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Dec 9 2008, 11:16 AM
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yes knm dropping back now .. dunno at what price should i avg it or should i avg it
Added on December 9, 2008, 11:19 amknm back to 0.425 wonder will it break 0.4 Added on December 9, 2008, 11:20 amso many selling q This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 9 2008, 11:20 AM |
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Dec 9 2008, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 9 2008, 12:16 PM) yes knm dropping back now .. dunno at what price should i avg it or should i avg it again, i told already, since the black friday last week, knm is at the free fall condition and no more back by ci. Added on December 9, 2008, 11:19 amknm back to 0.425 wonder will it break 0.4 Added on December 9, 2008, 11:20 amso many selling q good luck 4 this penny stock.  but, this stock still good 4 gambling (Big or Small). This post has been edited by sampoo: Dec 9 2008, 11:31 AM |
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Dec 9 2008, 11:40 AM
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but the price im holding on knm .. 0.54 on avg .. sure a no no chance to win .. hmm
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Dec 9 2008, 11:44 AM
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strong support by local boys showed in the klci charts. doesn't seem to move a bit.
the interest rate reduction by 25 basis point was a good move by BNM (not 2 much and better than not moving at all), expect another rate cut and this time if the support is not enuf, it will free fall. but considering so many aunties and uncle took the money below their bed and "invest" in ASW and ASN. we might just see the free fall by the 3rd rate cut. cross all your fingers.... |
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Dec 9 2008, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 9 2008, 12:40 PM) but the price im holding on knm .. 0.54 on avg .. sure a no no chance to win .. hmm any stock being quote by bursa as below, should treat as gambling stock. I never buy or will quickly sell off the stock on the day of this kind of announcement. this is from my observation so far in this few years.Unusual Market Activity ("UMA") query by Bursa Securities This post has been edited by sampoo: Dec 9 2008, 11:47 AM |
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Dec 9 2008, 11:49 AM
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where u can c that?
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Dec 9 2008, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 9 2008, 12:49 PM) where u can c that? in ur trading portal or bursa website. |
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Dec 9 2008, 11:53 AM
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.... PA continue to surge .... Sold too early.
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Dec 9 2008, 12:00 PM
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PA surged 10% wow
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Dec 9 2008, 12:19 PM
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Other regional markets already taken off 2-3 times..in the last week, our
bulls at KLCI.. so sleepy... zzz zzz. zzzz... might as well call in the bears instead. |
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Dec 9 2008, 12:19 PM
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KNN to close by 0.40?
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Dec 9 2008, 12:25 PM
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knm .. no eyes c liao
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Dec 9 2008, 12:27 PM
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for gambling stock i will recommend iris. this stock is good for gambler rathan than knm. bcos change to guess the price is higher by propability.
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Dec 9 2008, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE(alivecmh @ Dec 9 2008, 11:53 AM) .... PA continue to surge .... Sold too early. wah I never notice this stock, u lucky anyway earn more than 10% oredy no greedy as no one can predict nowadays stocknow i m eying knm to fall further down below 0.40 This post has been edited by aoisky: Dec 9 2008, 12:39 PM |
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Dec 9 2008, 12:46 PM
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People are using this rebound to offload their stocks or cut losses. If i were u, i would not jump into the market thinking there's a rally. There's no clear indication yet in US economy although Congress will approve the $15 billion rescue for automakers this week.
As long as 4th quarterly reports are not out(somwhere march09 or april 09), the market is still very weak. Any bad news can hurt the market badly. We need to study the impact of the 4th quarters, especially finance and automobile industry. This post has been edited by Ranny: Dec 9 2008, 12:47 PM |
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Dec 9 2008, 12:47 PM
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PA is what stock |
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Dec 9 2008, 01:25 PM
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I'm not sure about what is the business nature of PA. Last friday i found it at the most active share n saw that many ppl bought in early morning n very little sell transaction done. And the share price stable at 0.350 even though people keep buying at 0.350 as on n off ppl Q to sell at 0.350. So i start off by putting a Buy Q at 0.355 wiht 2000lots, n only managed to get 1500 (x 100units) lots, thereafter, the price never came down but continue to surge.
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Dec 9 2008, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(alivecmh @ Dec 9 2008, 01:25 PM) I'm not sure about what is the business nature of PA. Last friday i found it at the most active share n saw that many ppl bought in early morning n very little sell transaction done. And the share price stable at 0.350 even though people keep buying at 0.350 as on n off ppl Q to sell at 0.350. So i start off by putting a Buy Q at 0.355 wiht 2000lots, n only managed to get 1500 (x 100units) lots, thereafter, the price never came down but continue to surge. sifu |
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Dec 9 2008, 02:02 PM
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no la, not a sifu at all. Just try my luck. :-p
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Dec 9 2008, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(Ranny @ Dec 9 2008, 12:46 PM) People are using this rebound to offload their stocks or cut losses. If i were u, i would not jump into the market thinking there's a rally. There's no clear indication yet in US economy although Congress will approve the $15 billion rescue for automakers this week. I think it has been approved, never bothered to read the content, but the headlines indicated that is has been approved. As long as 4th quarterly reports are not out(somwhere march09 or april 09), the market is still very weak. Any bad news can hurt the market badly. We need to study the impact of the 4th quarters, especially finance and automobile industry. http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/12/15b-d...ilout-approved/ |
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Dec 9 2008, 02:30 PM
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resort 2.19
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Dec 9 2008, 02:40 PM
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wow... KNM nearly touch 0.40,,,,,
should i buy back???? KNM = goreng kaw kaw..... This post has been edited by jvcpcv55: Dec 9 2008, 02:43 PM |
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Dec 9 2008, 02:43 PM
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u sold all ur knm?
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Dec 9 2008, 02:44 PM
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this morning all sold....
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Dec 9 2008, 02:49 PM
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should make some profit .. nice
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Dec 9 2008, 02:51 PM
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sigh, PA surge to 0.44 !!!!
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Dec 9 2008, 02:53 PM
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any stock can ready to go in ? ekekek
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Dec 9 2008, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE(alivecmh @ Dec 9 2008, 02:51 PM) sigh, PA surge to 0.44 !!!! wow! any other potential penny stock in ur mind now? |
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Dec 9 2008, 02:54 PM
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Anyone having prob with M2U? I can login their stock trading platform, but no connection to their server. Tried restarting my comp, still same
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Dec 9 2008, 02:55 PM
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Nop, Not planning to buy any today... boat is gone..
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Dec 9 2008, 02:58 PM
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in current situation sometimes ppl tend to focus high volume trade's stock,
meanwhile some stock no even in our sight may perform better. |
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Dec 9 2008, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE(Ranny @ Dec 9 2008, 12:46 PM) People are using this rebound to offload their stocks or cut losses. If i were u, i would not jump into the market thinking there's a rally. There's no clear indication yet in US economy although Congress will approve the $15 billion rescue for automakers this week. Even 15 billions auto rescue plan is approved, it doesn't mean economy become no problem already and stock market will rally to a very high level. It doesn't solve the credit crunch overnight. As long as 4th quarterly reports are not out(somwhere march09 or april 09), the market is still very weak. Any bad news can hurt the market badly. We need to study the impact of the 4th quarters, especially finance and automobile industry. But market has priced-in a lot of negative news, so downside is also not that much, but upside also cap by certain limit because of economy recession and poor corporate earning. You need some sign of economy recovery (light in the tunnel) to have a real market rally. |
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Dec 9 2008, 03:08 PM
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KNM 50,000 lot buy Q at 0.40 becomes sell Q
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Dec 9 2008, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE(PBB boleh @ Dec 9 2008, 03:08 PM) KNM 50,000 lot buy Q at 0.40 becomes sell Q Today KNM trade is a bit abnormal. Volume is enormous. |
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Dec 9 2008, 03:10 PM
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wah KNM eventually reach below 0.40,
its time but wonder what happen this a'noon session fall so much |
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Dec 9 2008, 03:13 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 9 2008, 04:10 PM) Today KNM trade is a bit abnormal. Volume is enormous. It has been one of the favourite stocks from all the analysts and fund managers |
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Dec 9 2008, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 9 2008, 03:13 PM) It has been one of the favourite stocks from all the analysts and fund managers Favourite on dumping. |
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Dec 9 2008, 03:21 PM
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goreng goreng goreng KNM
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Dec 9 2008, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE(jvcpcv55 @ Dec 9 2008, 03:21 PM) goreng goreng goreng KNM yeah will start collect it when it reach below 0.28 |
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Dec 9 2008, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(eviljonz @ Dec 9 2008, 03:22 PM) yeah will start collect it when it reach below 0.28 wow... 0.28??? not 0.18 |
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Dec 9 2008, 03:26 PM
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sory its 0.38
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Dec 9 2008, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 9 2008, 03:05 PM) Even 15 billions auto rescue plan is approved, it doesn't mean economy become no problem already and stock market will rally to a very high level. It doesn't solve the credit crunch overnight. that why i am saying... any rebound atm will be short-lived. It wont sustain. I read about The Great Depression 1929. It took 8-10 years for some countries to recover. US took 1-2 years to recover. The situation is almost the same like TGD. This financial meltdown will drag on until mid-2009. Not wise entering the stock market now.But market has priced-in a lot of negative news, so downside is also not that much, but upside also cap by certain limit because of economy recession and poor corporate earning. You need some sign of economy recovery (light in the tunnel) to have a real market rally. Looking at KNM trend, i think it can reach 35 sen. |
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Dec 9 2008, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE(jvcpcv55 @ Dec 9 2008, 03:24 PM) wow... 0.28??? not 0.18 u guys aiming at this counter oso? that price wont happen isn't it? |
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Dec 9 2008, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE(Ranny @ Dec 9 2008, 03:26 PM) that why i am saying... any rebound atm will be short-lived. It wont sustain. I read about The Great Depression 1929. It took 8-10 years for some countries to recover. US took 1-2 years to recover. The situation is almost the same like TGD. This financial meltdown will drag on until mid-2009. Not wise entering the stock market now. Asian countries took about 2-4 years before really recover from the financial crisis mess, it tells us about time frame one realistically should be expecting.Looking at KNM trend, i think it can reach 35 sen. Subprime mess first emerged during September 2007. |
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 Dec 9 2008, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE(Ranny @ Dec 9 2008, 04:26 PM) that why i am saying... any rebound atm will be short-lived. It wont sustain. I read about The Great Depression 1929. It took 8-10 years for some countries to recover. US took 1-2 years to recover. The situation is almost the same like TGD. This financial meltdown will drag on until mid-2009. Not wise entering the stock market now. yes, everyone know lah, jus the mind cannot control the hand to key in the price to the computer mah. Looking at KNM trend, i think it can reach 35 sen. if the mind and hand is work at the same time the accident will not happen in any road lah.  Emotion control and be patient. ur should pratice YOGA b4 learn the trading. i do that. This post has been edited by sampoo: Dec 9 2008, 03:34 PM |
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Dec 9 2008, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 9 2008, 03:29 PM) Asian countries took about 2-4 years before really recover from the financial crisis mess, it tells us about time frame one realistically should be expecting. you mean the 1997-98?This post has been edited by Ranny: Dec 9 2008, 03:31 PM |
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Dec 9 2008, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 9 2008, 03:28 PM) u guys aiming at this counter oso? that price wont happen isn't it? KNM buying back massive shares. EPF has also still buying and got their leg stuck. The director also buying. But the price still keep dropping Too many contra players screwing up the price |
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Dec 9 2008, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE(dsugums @ Dec 9 2008, 04:35 PM) KNM buying back massive shares. EPF has also still buying and got their leg stuck. The director also buying. again dun believe on share buy back. But the price still keep dropping Too many contra players screwing up the price  |
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Dec 9 2008, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE(dsugums @ Dec 9 2008, 03:35 PM) KNM buying back massive shares. EPF has also still buying and got their leg stuck. The director also buying. contra players dont have that much shares/power in hand, it's most likely the FFs who are throwing the huge amounts (in excess of more than 30,000 lots each time).But the price still keep dropping Too many contra players screwing up the price This post has been edited by PBB boleh: Dec 9 2008, 03:43 PM |
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Dec 9 2008, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE(Ranny @ Dec 9 2008, 03:31 PM) you mean the 1997-98? Yes, it took about years around 2000-2002 before clearing up the financial mess. |
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Dec 9 2008, 03:49 PM
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i am not so worry about when can it recover.... as long as don't go bankcrupt....
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Dec 9 2008, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(jvcpcv55 @ Dec 9 2008, 04:49 PM) i am not so worry about when can it recover.... as long as don't go bankcrupt.... u mean knm? even it not bankrupt also make no much different, ...... if it dun recover back. Iris, liqua, mobif, eden, ....... more than 2 years still stay as penny. This post has been edited by sampoo: Dec 9 2008, 03:54 PM |
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Dec 9 2008, 03:55 PM
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Faster la. I queue buy Resorts 2.18 during lunch time. So long still haven't match my order.
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Dec 9 2008, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(dsugums @ Dec 9 2008, 02:54 PM) Anyone having prob with M2U? I can login their stock trading platform, but no connection to their server. Tried restarting my comp, still same same here. There's streamyx broadband problem since yesterday due to the Bukit Antarabangsa landslide thing.If I use Jaring, no problem |
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Dec 9 2008, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Dec 9 2008, 04:56 PM) same here. There's streamyx broadband problem since yesterday due to the Bukit Antarabangsa landslide thing. how are u? still fine? If I use Jaring, no problem |
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Dec 9 2008, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 9 2008, 03:43 PM) Yes, it took about years around 2000-2002 before clearing up the financial mess. this financial serious is much more serious than 1998 one. The 1998 only confines to Asia and some developing countries only.This one involves almost every part of the world... And it is not easy to tackle. |
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Dec 9 2008, 04:01 PM
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Seems like KNM is in bad condition now.
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Dec 9 2008, 04:03 PM
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gogo2 still holding? got avg down or not?
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Dec 9 2008, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 9 2008, 03:58 PM) how are u? still fine? still in bad condition  today's green like no green |
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Dec 9 2008, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Dec 9 2008, 05:05 PM) still in bad condition no lah, i meanur place bukit antara bangsa lah. today's green like no green anyway, to ur think will it affect genting future development. then i better keep myself from this stock. luck-luck This post has been edited by sampoo: Dec 9 2008, 04:08 PM |
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Dec 9 2008, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 9 2008, 04:06 PM) no lah, i meanur place bukit antara bangsa lah. I'm not staying there , but I heard when the Telekom fixing cables around B.Antarabangsa area, they have to interrupt the services at Duta area.anyway, to ur think will it affect genting future development. then i better keep myself from this stock. luck-luck I will simpan my Resorts lama-lama, as I think they have a good chance to bounce back when economy recovers, as well as when their Singapore business starts. |
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Dec 9 2008, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Dec 9 2008, 05:16 PM) I'm not staying there , but I heard when the Telekom fixing cables around B.Antarabangsa area, they have to interrupt the services at Duta area. i think u shud average down ur resort when the ci drop kaw-kaw, maybe tomorow. I will simpan my Resorts lama-lama, as I think they have a good chance to bounce back when economy recovers, as well as when their Singapore business starts. |
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Dec 9 2008, 04:20 PM
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resort... waiting at 2.....
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Dec 9 2008, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 9 2008, 04:03 PM) gogo2 still holding? got avg down or not? no average down. Dun dare... |
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Dec 9 2008, 04:23 PM
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Another 50K lot at 0.40...
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Dec 9 2008, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 9 2008, 03:55 PM) Faster la. I queue buy Resorts 2.18 during lunch time. So long still haven't match my order. your Resorts done? |
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Dec 9 2008, 04:24 PM
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actually that's only RM 2 mil, spare change for FFs I guess...
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Dec 9 2008, 04:25 PM
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KNM seems like quite scary to hold long term.. lol
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Dec 9 2008, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE(Ranny @ Dec 9 2008, 04:23 PM) your Resorts done? Ya,... but now it dropped to 2.15, I already regret queuing at 2.18 |
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Dec 9 2008, 04:33 PM
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KNM and Resorts dropped so much. Wow!
Tomorrow drop more? |
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Dec 9 2008, 04:38 PM
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KLCI is giving up its morning gain, back to square one.
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Dec 9 2008, 04:38 PM
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walau .. both also no eyes c
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Dec 9 2008, 04:42 PM
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if not bcos of sime, the ci already turn RED lioa.
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Dec 9 2008, 04:49 PM
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should i avg resorts now or wait tml?
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Dec 9 2008, 04:49 PM
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Dec 9 2008, 04:54 PM
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wow din notice TM drop back beyond 3 .. haha yaya my target also
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Dec 9 2008, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 9 2008, 04:49 PM) should i avg resorts now or wait tml? got bullet can buy...  like me no bullet have 2 wait ... |
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Dec 9 2008, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE(jvcpcv55 @ Dec 9 2008, 04:54 PM) got bullet can buy... hehe maybe wait it drop to 2 first .. waiting for TM now like me no bullet have 2 wait ... |
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Dec 9 2008, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE(jvcpcv55 @ Dec 9 2008, 05:54 PM) got bullet can buy... who got bullet can make history tomorrow. walao yeh like me no bullet have 2 wait ... the rescue fund just came on time. This post has been edited by sampoo: Dec 9 2008, 05:00 PM |
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Dec 9 2008, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 9 2008, 04:54 PM) wow din notice TM drop back beyond 3 .. haha yaya my target also TMI and TM almost same price now. |
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Dec 9 2008, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 9 2008, 03:28 PM) u guys aiming at this counter oso? that price wont happen isn't it? if we know it will happen or not then we r rich loo bro |
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Dec 9 2008, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 9 2008, 04:57 PM) who got bullet can make history tomorrow. walao yeh what type of history???? record lost since rename to bursa?? |
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Dec 9 2008, 05:00 PM
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which is better TMI / TM now
Added on December 9, 2008, 5:00 pmif got money buy more now .. than keep it for long term .. u will be rich haha Added on December 9, 2008, 5:00 pmif got money buy more now .. than keep it for long term .. u will be rich haha This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 9 2008, 05:00 PM |
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Dec 9 2008, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 9 2008, 05:00 PM) which is better TMI / TM now Both are not good to me with current price. May be < 2.75. I will consider.Added on December 9, 2008, 5:00 pmif got money buy more now .. than keep it for long term .. u will be rich haha Added on December 9, 2008, 5:00 pmif got money buy more now .. than keep it for long term .. u will be rich haha |
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Dec 9 2008, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE(jvcpcv55 @ Dec 9 2008, 05:58 PM) what type of history???? whose buy tomorrow is better than whose by todie. record lost since rename to bursa?? still must be careful, can accumulate stock for window dressing and election. |
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Dec 9 2008, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(smile93 @ Dec 9 2008, 05:02 PM) Both are not good to me with current price. May be < 2.75. I will consider. act im waiting below it .. 2.5-6 hehe |
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Dec 9 2008, 05:04 PM
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Incredible! Other markets ended higher (yesterday) but not for KLSE..... 835.17 (-3.11, -0.37%)....
Both my KNM @ 0.40 & RESORT @2.20 matched today.... This post has been edited by kmarc: Dec 9 2008, 05:05 PM |
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Dec 9 2008, 05:04 PM
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QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 9 2008, 05:02 PM) whose buy tomorrow is better than whose by todie. if u hv extra money and plan to keep long term now really time to accumulate ur shares still must be careful, can accumulate stock for window dressing and election. Added on December 9, 2008, 5:05 pm QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 9 2008, 05:04 PM) Incredible! Other markets ended higher (yesterday) but not for KLSE..... 835.17 (-3.11, -0.37%).... thought u got KNM rite .. avg it down? Both my KNM @ 0.40 & RESORT @2.20 matched today.... This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 9 2008, 05:05 PM |
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Dec 9 2008, 05:06 PM
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PA closed at 0.445, what a good performance. Sell Q still very weak compare to Buy Q even at last minute.
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Dec 9 2008, 05:36 PM
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Wa.. today KLSE perform so bad... down..
I'm at SG for holiday.. have free wifi service. This morning sold all my Zelan at 0.79 made few hundred bucks only. Zelan seems still have selling pressure. After sold, que buy back at 0.775 Saw resort selling pressure this morning, que 2.19 but later i cancel coz feel it will drop more. Now at Sim Lim food court.. use free wifi. Chk.. omg... Resorts still under strong selling pressure. Jupiter research target for Resort is at 2.12. they say still have about 2-3 mths before resort can settle down and slowly go up back after FF exit.KNM morning up very strong den start to plunged back... Jupiter have buy call for PA but last time 3 yrs back my remiser told me PA alot fund managers like goreng it...now i dun follow this counter. Abit itchy to buy this morning when its price about 0.41 but i go for zelan coz of EPF support. All my Zelan buy que match. Hope EPF wont failed me. Cheers, v_viper88 QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 9 2008, 05:04 PM) Incredible! Other markets ended higher (yesterday) but not for KLSE..... 835.17 (-3.11, -0.37%).... This post has been edited by viper88: Dec 9 2008, 05:38 PM Both my KNM @ 0.40 & RESORT @2.20 matched today.... |
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Dec 9 2008, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 9 2008, 05:04 PM) if u hv extra money and plan to keep long term now really time to accumulate ur shares Yup. Average down. My goreng counter cannot goreng.... Added on December 9, 2008, 5:05 pm thought u got KNM rite .. avg it down?  @viper88 - wah! You're still making money in this bear market! This post has been edited by kmarc: Dec 9 2008, 05:40 PM |
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Dec 9 2008, 06:30 PM
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OMG ... KNM dropped another 2 cents ... 0.405
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Dec 9 2008, 07:41 PM
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Still waiting for KNM to drop below $0.35 before I start averaging. Looks like FF start dumping again after the redemption restriction expired on Nov 30th.
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Dec 9 2008, 07:48 PM
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!@$!@#!@#. I stuck with Resorts. Didn't expect it to drop so much. Today the share buy back seems like low volume. Hopefully can unload tomorrow at 2.25
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Dec 9 2008, 08:08 PM
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European markets start to U-turn to GREEN zone.
DJIA future looks green now: 8,917.00 +42.00 |
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Dec 9 2008, 09:19 PM
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Could be heading for 3rd day rally...is Santa Claus bell ringing already?
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Dec 9 2008, 09:20 PM
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Roughly 2 more weeks to go for X'mas.
US markets close for how many days? Any idea? |
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Dec 9 2008, 09:30 PM
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MMCCORP hitting it all time low today. Do you think it will have a technical rebound anytime soon ?
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Dec 9 2008, 09:35 PM
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Take a look at this : "Charts predict : Dow 40% Rally start on Dec 15!!"
http://www.cnbc.com/id/28010476/site/14081545 Watch the video to see what the guy said.... Don't forget that it is only a prediction..... However, if it is true, I won't have enough time to reload my ammunition! |
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Dec 9 2008, 09:39 PM
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kinda hard for us who depends on the end of month to RELOAD...
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Dec 9 2008, 09:41 PM
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European market is losing stream.
DJIA future is negative: 8,864.00 -11.00 This post has been edited by David83: Dec 9 2008, 09:42 PM |
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Dec 9 2008, 10:08 PM
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i hope they dip ....
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Dec 9 2008, 10:18 PM
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knm really hurts alot .. wait to avg if drop around 0.35
resorts avg if drop ard 2 MMCCORP .. hmm alivecmh is trying to play his luck again haha .. maybe can consider Added on December 9, 2008, 10:24 pm QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 9 2008, 09:35 PM) Take a look at this : "Charts predict : Dow 40% Rally start on Dec 15!!" thanks for sharing .. hoping it will jump up like that so when DJ ard 7k will go into the market more http://www.cnbc.com/id/28010476/site/14081545 Watch the video to see what the guy said.... Don't forget that it is only a prediction..... However, if it is true, I won't have enough time to reload my ammunition! This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 9 2008, 10:24 PM |
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Dec 9 2008, 10:31 PM
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DJIA opens in deep RED: 8,799.65 -134.53 -1.51%
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Dec 9 2008, 10:40 PM
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E&O also near it all time low. May have technical rebound as well.
But volume is not high enough. If the volume shoot up suddenly, probably it means a rebound is coming for this stock. This post has been edited by alivecmh: Dec 9 2008, 10:41 PM |
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Dec 9 2008, 10:48 PM
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where can i see the DJIA lively .. auto refresh?
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Dec 9 2008, 10:52 PM
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Dec 9 2008, 10:59 PM
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http://finance.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX:.DJI, this one real time.
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Dec 9 2008, 11:11 PM
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thank you thank you to both of u
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Dec 9 2008, 11:56 PM
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Made peanuts only today ....
My resorts oso drop.. should have sell earlier when i noticed the selling pressure but i put too much confidence on Resort huge cash support. Need to see how much lower it can go bfr i buy back some to average down. Cheers, v_viper88 QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 9 2008, 05:36 PM) Yup. Average down. My goreng counter cannot goreng.... @viper88 - wah! You're still making money in this bear market! |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:18 AM
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knm, better dont touch them anymore.
resorts, i heard a rumour saying Genting gonna take it private MMC, negative factor impacting the counter all no no, for now, wait globally stable first. As for US, if no fresh catalyst, i think DJIA will lose the streak. Now investors are eyeing OPEC production cut. As for US, i think sales data. Visit my blog: http://todayfinancialworld.blogspot.com i filter news that will impact the market, with my comment. hopefully you guys can be my reader and we can have a healthy discussion |
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Dec 10 2008, 05:07 AM
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Dow Jone lost 240 points:
At 4:03PM ET: 8,691.33 -242.85 (-2.72%) |
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Dec 10 2008, 05:27 AM
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Dow 8,691.33 -242.85 (2.72%)
Nasdaq 1,547.34 -24.40 (1.55%) S&P 500 888.67 -21.03 (2.31%) 10-Yr Bond 2.6690% -0.0650 NYSE Volume 6,402,900,500 Nasdaq Volume 2,246,475,250 Added on December 10, 2008, 7:17 am"Following the insolvency of a large number of banks and financial institutions... capital flows to developing countries have dried up and huge amounts of market capitalisation have evaporated," World Bank This post has been edited by Ranny: Dec 10 2008, 07:17 AM |
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Dec 10 2008, 08:16 AM
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You have constant flow of bad news, so what, big deal. What an investor must look for is a data that confirms that the US economy will not slip into a long painful recession that lasts for more than 2 years.
The market has already efficiently priced in more job cuts, more bad earnings, more pain @ retail. This is a directionless market; with new government intervention every minute. One must know how to trade in this environment; not just simply guessing and purchasing penny stocks and hopes that it goes up. Hope is for gamblers, smart traders don't hope. |
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Dec 10 2008, 08:20 AM
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QUOTE(alfredfx @ Dec 10 2008, 02:18 AM) knm, better dont touch them anymore. yes, i agree. this week better dun touch stock. Wait till next monday (15th Dec 08). resorts, i heard a rumour saying Genting gonna take it private MMC, negative factor impacting the counter all no no, for now, wait globally stable first. As for US, if no fresh catalyst, i think DJIA will lose the streak. Now investors are eyeing OPEC production cut. As for US, i think sales data. Visit my blog: http://todayfinancialworld.blogspot.com i filter news that will impact the market, with my comment. hopefully you guys can be my reader and we can have a healthy discussion |
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Dec 10 2008, 08:26 AM
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The sales data is not the main concern, the main concern here is the T bills sold at the rate of 0.00%. That's FEAR right there for you.
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Dec 10 2008, 08:28 AM
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QUOTE(AdamG1981 @ Dec 10 2008, 09:16 AM) You have constant flow of bad news, so what, big deal. What an investor must look for is a data that confirms that the US economy will not slip into a long painful recession that lasts for more than 2 years. yes, i agreed ur statement adam. "Hope is for gamblers, smart traders don't hope". And, Investor will looking something is guranteed for return. Timing, timing, ...... The market has already efficiently priced in more job cuts, more bad earnings, more pain @ retail. This is a directionless market; with new government intervention every minute. One must know how to trade in this environment; not just simply guessing and purchasing penny stocks and hopes that it goes up. Hope is for gamblers, smart traders don't hope. |
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Dec 10 2008, 08:30 AM
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QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 9 2008, 05:28 PM) yes, i agreed ur statement adam. "Hope is for gamblers, smart traders don't hope". And, Investor will looking something is guranteed for return. Timing, timing, ...... Stay overweight on cash amid the developments of the T bill auction. Fund managers across the globe sees something that many investors don't see.This post has been edited by AdamG1981: Dec 10 2008, 08:31 AM |
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Dec 10 2008, 08:41 AM
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Anyone into forex? I see that it is more worthwhile trading than in KLCI.
I already downloaded the FXCM demo account with real time quote. Still learning to read the trend and make use of the stop loss and limit orders, hehehe. The platform is really good and you and actually see the volatility of the movement and make our move to long or short. Better than our stupid KLCI which does not give us any option to short (we are only expected to donate in a downtrend market). |
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Dec 10 2008, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(dsugums @ Dec 9 2008, 05:41 PM) Anyone into forex? I see that it is more worthwhile trading than in KLCI. We have a chatroom exclusively for trading FX. You can visit the LYN thread on FX trading.I already downloaded the FXCM demo account with real time quote. Still learning to read the trend and make use of the stop loss and limit orders, hehehe. The platform is really good and you and actually see the volatility of the movement and make our move to long or short. Better than our stupid KLCI which does not give us any option to short (we are only expected to donate in a downtrend market). |
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Dec 10 2008, 08:52 AM
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QUOTE(AdamG1981 @ Dec 10 2008, 08:43 AM) We have a chatroom exclusively for trading FX. You can visit the LYN thread on FX trading. OK, I did not realise it. ThanksI will be on the demo account for about a month before making it to the real thing. hehe. Lost about $1500 1st few days, and now recovering the loses (now about $1000). This post has been edited by dsugums: Dec 10 2008, 08:53 AM |
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Dec 10 2008, 08:57 AM
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QUOTE(dsugums @ Dec 9 2008, 05:52 PM) OK, I did not realise it. Thanks It's a different ball game altogether. One must be quick thinking and very observant to succeed in the FX market. Mainly because you are speculating against millions of professional traders daily.I will be on the demo account for about a month before making it to the real thing. hehe. Lost about $1500 1st few days, and now recovering the loses (now about $1000). Added on December 10, 2008, 8:59 amHere's the thread. http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/788602/+2320 Many of my "students" made alot this week. This post has been edited by AdamG1981: Dec 10 2008, 08:59 AM |
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Dec 10 2008, 09:47 AM
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PA sore again
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Dec 10 2008, 10:04 AM
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but the volume is thin. This share has been goreng, afraid overcooked
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Dec 10 2008, 10:06 AM
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better dont touch first else burn ur hand
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Dec 10 2008, 10:11 AM
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oilcorp limit down...hohoho.....let's come back in 2 yrs
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Dec 10 2008, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Dec 10 2008, 10:11 AM) oilcorp limit down...hohoho.....let's come back in 2 yrs aiya most oil related business going downdrop 30cent what happen ? This post has been edited by aoisky: Dec 10 2008, 10:31 AM |
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Dec 10 2008, 10:33 AM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 10 2008, 10:17 AM) aiya most oil related business going down It failed to submit their financial report previous before being suspended. drop 30cent what happen ? |
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Dec 10 2008, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 10 2008, 10:33 AM) It failed to submit their financial report previous before being suspended. This is a danger signal? |
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Dec 10 2008, 11:18 AM
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Almost all the forumers have negative views of our local share market.
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Dec 10 2008, 11:27 AM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 10 2008, 12:18 PM) Almost all the forumers have negative views of our local share market. ya agree as it seem like KLCI is dying... thin volume... |
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Dec 10 2008, 11:33 AM
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good to accumulate
fd rate so low...time to support our div yielding counters |
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Dec 10 2008, 11:34 AM
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Change tactic now, hahaha. Upgrade form local to international trading, hahaha.
Learning to trade Forex now. At least the market is 24hrs and can trade anytime (lose money oso anytime ) |
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Dec 10 2008, 11:35 AM
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2,013 posts Joined: Aug 2007 From: USJ
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Dec 10 2008, 11:33 AM) good to accumulate Yep, can accumulate, but the bottom not reached yet? fd rate so low...time to support our div yielding counters  |
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Dec 10 2008, 11:39 AM
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as we all know u will never know when is the bottom so but now to accumulate bit by bit
Added on December 10, 2008, 11:41 amokay any one buying zelan now .. ? 0.755 This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 10 2008, 11:41 AM |
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Dec 10 2008, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE(sinclairZX81 @ Dec 10 2008, 12:35 PM) Yep, can accumulate, but the bottom not reached yet? in stock market the bottom is the particular stock being suspected for life or PN4, PN17, etc.the ci seem try to consolidate and testing every traders/gamblers patient. this is good sign. big and small player seem at the equal chance, it is better than buy 4D mah. bcos the big player, also directionless, whether bring the market up or further consolidate the ci. This post has been edited by sampoo: Dec 10 2008, 11:47 AM |
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Dec 10 2008, 11:50 AM
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even big player oso directionless than small player habis la
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Dec 10 2008, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 10 2008, 12:50 PM) even big player oso directionless than small player habis la they are directionless, bcos they still do not have the exact solution/timing to trap the small traders/gamblers. one u know then too late, the trader/gambler normally will cry first and then tose people will become hero of the market. |
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Dec 10 2008, 11:55 AM
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no wonder KNM no much movement 2day morning session
Added on December 10, 2008, 11:58 am QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 10 2008, 11:54 AM) they are directionless, bcos they still do not have the exact solution/timing to trap the small traders/gamblers. one u know then too late, the trader/gambler normally will cry first and then tose people will become hero of the market. btw u r big player or small player This post has been edited by aoisky: Dec 10 2008, 11:58 AM |
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Dec 10 2008, 12:00 PM
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14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak
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Looking at the market, I'm gonna save some bullets for blue chips counter (after my next reload
)Anybody got public bank shares? I still think their share price is high..... Anything of interest happening in KLSE today? |
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Dec 10 2008, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 10 2008, 12:55 PM) no wonder KNM no much movement 2day morning session Added on December 10, 2008, 11:58 am btw u r big player or small player if i am big player, i will not sit in front of lowyat to chat lah, i will be at a special room for the VIP trader or still sleep. wake up so early 2 chat with ur meh. |
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Dec 10 2008, 12:04 PM
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14,576 posts Joined: May 2006 From: Sarawak
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Dec 9 2008, 11:56 PM) Made peanuts only today .... Still earn ma..... not like me, all my stocks are still in my hands.... haven't sold any stocks yet, all buy buy buy..... My resorts oso drop.. should have sell earlier when i noticed the selling pressure but i put too much confidence on Resort huge cash support. Need to see how much lower it can go bfr i buy back some to average down. Cheers, v_viper88 |
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Dec 10 2008, 12:13 PM
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same la .. all in hand .. all red red now
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Dec 10 2008, 12:53 PM
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Anyone know about this stock?
NSOP current price at 3.28 and announced dividend 20cents(6%) at 28-Nov-08 Ex date 15-Dec-08, Registered by 17-Dec-08 and Pay on 31-Dec-08 |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 10 2008, 12:13 PM) same la .. all in hand .. all red red now me three... I think everybody also the same. Now stock mana boleh beli. |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:15 PM
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QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 10 2008, 12:01 PM) if i am big player, i will not sit in front of lowyat to chat lah, i will be at a special room for the VIP trader or still sleep. wake up so early 2 chat with ur meh. |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 10 2008, 12:00 PM) Looking at the market, I'm gonna save some bullets for blue chips counter (after my next reload me have PBBANK.)Anybody got public bank shares? I still think their share price is high..... Anything of interest happening in KLSE today? and it is going to announce dividends in the upcoming Jan 09 |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 10 2008, 02:15 PM) wei wei wei cant say like that leh, I belive here lowyat got some big player around leh. for me, whose got RM10 million to dump in the stock market will consider as big player. yes, may be the fund manager will be at lowyat lol average forumer only got rm2k - rm500k. i guess lah. This post has been edited by sampoo: Dec 10 2008, 01:22 PM |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:25 PM
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PBB so exp .. pana so rich haha
just plan to buy 5 lots |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 10 2008, 01:19 PM) for me, whose got RM10 million to dump in the stock market will consider as big player. yes, may be the fund manager will be at lowyat lol u may b rite, v r just a sailor following the captain's direction. Fund manager oso funded by us hopefully they invest wisely no offense average forumer only got rm2k - rm500k. i guess lah. |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 10 2008, 01:25 PM) PBB so exp .. pana so rich haha Panasonic is as strong as PBB. just plan to buy 5 lots Both are blue chips. |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:33 PM
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fund manager .. hmm .. make my UT lose -40+%
Added on December 10, 2008, 1:35 pm QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 10 2008, 01:29 PM) Panasonic is as strong as PBB. those blue chips players = huge pile of $$$$$ can buy more blue chips stock to get better div Both are blue chips. small traders .. only buy penny stock to gamble This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 10 2008, 01:35 PM |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:43 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 10 2008, 01:33 PM) fund manager .. hmm .. make my UT lose -40+% yes I agree. just miss out PA stock. btw Public Mutual reduce their managerial fee, aiya dunoe wat time UT baru giv back gud return like thatAdded on December 10, 2008, 1:35 pm those blue chips players = huge pile of $$$$$ can buy more blue chips stock to get better div small traders .. only buy penny stock to gamble |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:44 PM
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Holy... When did RESORTS hit 2.20? I had my screen on all the time and looked at it from time to time. I only saw 2.15, 2.16, 2.17 and 2.18. I thought it didn't reach 2.20. Just now after reading all the news and forums.... I clicked on my Order Status and found they have all been matched and sold at 2.20
Nice. This is my 3rd trade. Buy 2.18. Sell 2.20. In total I think earn about RM30. Yes, is peanuts but I'm just glad to have offloaded this counter. Hope you all can offload too. |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:47 PM
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anyone hv detail why OilCorp drop so many?
will it rebound back later or tml? Added on December 10, 2008, 1:49 pm QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 10 2008, 01:44 PM) Holy... When did RESORTS hit 2.20? I had my screen on all the time and looked at it from time to time. I only saw 2.15, 2.16, 2.17 and 2.18. I thought it didn't reach 2.20. Just now after reading all the news and forums.... I clicked on my Order Status and found they have all been matched and sold at 2.20 too late bought at 2.2 dont thk it will bound back above it soonNice. This is my 3rd trade. Buy 2.18. Sell 2.20. In total I think earn about RM30. Yes, is peanuts but I'm just glad to have offloaded this counter. Hope you all can offload too. nice for u at least u earn profit This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 10 2008, 01:49 PM |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE(sinclairZX81 @ Dec 10 2008, 11:15 AM) This is a danger signal? can someone explain more detail on this?this stock worth to buy or not around this time? |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 10 2008, 01:33 PM) those blue chips players = huge pile of $$$$$ can buy more blue chips stock to get better div Blue chips now also cheap cheap only mah, somemore can trade 1 lots x 100 shares.small traders .. only buy penny stock to gamble |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:51 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 10 2008, 10:33 AM) It failed to submit their financial report previous before being suspended. forgot to include this |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:52 PM
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yala...slowly accumulate...can buy 100 by 100 ma...can start with BAT
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Dec 10 2008, 01:52 PM
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why they cannot submit the report? got serious problem in their financial flow?
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Dec 10 2008, 01:54 PM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 10 2008, 01:49 PM) can someone explain more detail on this? You want to buy some company stocks that unable to report their financial result? this stock worth to buy or not around this time? |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:55 PM
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surely...must b hiding something lo......accounts kelam-kabut....prob make false reporting till they themselves dunno how to make it 'balance' liao hehehehe
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Dec 10 2008, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Dec 10 2008, 01:52 PM) yala...slowly accumulate...can buy 100 by 100 ma...can start with BAT 100 shares .. aii than need to payhigh % of charges lea if m2u .. 28+X / 830 = 3.7% .. plus the selling charges if want to sell .. need the share to climb high lea |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Dec 10 2008, 01:52 PM) yala...slowly accumulate...can buy 100 by 100 ma...can start with BAT Why start with BAT?I have a feeling that the younger generation is more health concious. I would expect the number of smokers over time either due to health concious or expensive cigarettes. |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 10 2008, 01:54 PM) You want to buy some company stocks that unable to report their financial result? no. but is the only causes? y bursa didnt suspend them r? |
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Dec 10 2008, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Dec 10 2008, 01:55 PM) surely...must b hiding something lo......accounts kelam-kabut....prob make false reporting till they themselves dunno how to make it 'balance' liao hehehehe when is the due date for the submission?thought they will hv a AGM soon .. dont hv report talk wat Added on December 10, 2008, 1:59 pmbuy some oilcorp to bet? Added on December 10, 2008, 2:01 pmthe benefit of this forum is you get to know or aware of those stock which is popular day to day haha This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 10 2008, 02:01 PM |
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Dec 10 2008, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 10 2008, 01:57 PM) when is the due date for the submission? i agree, eh r u eyeing some oilcorp share ?thought they will hv a AGM soon .. dont hv report talk wat Added on December 10, 2008, 1:59 pmbuy some oilcorp to bet? Added on December 10, 2008, 2:01 pmthe benefit of this forum is you get to know or aware of those stock which is popular day to day haha |
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Dec 10 2008, 02:04 PM
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haa pre market calculation for oilcorp why 0.2+ for buy price? wow
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Dec 10 2008, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 10 2008, 01:56 PM) 100 shares .. aii than need to payhigh % of charges lea if m2u .. 28+X / 830 = 3.7% .. plus the selling charges if want to sell .. need the share to climb high lea Same one lah,You buy 1 lots (x100) BAT share at 44.00 = RM4k, commission Rm28 You buy 100 lots ABC penny stock of 0.40 = RM4k, commission Rm28. Some may argue from 0.40 to 0.50 is easy but for a stock to climb from 44.00 to 50.00 is equivalent easy as well. In fact, for 44.00 to climb to 50.00 it can be easier than 0.40 to 0.50 because high price stocks, there are not many retailers around which potential being seller to resist for the upside. But for 0.40 to surge, you need massive volume of buyers because there are plenty of sellers waiting on upside. How often to see selller Q in those penny stock with 10K,20k,30 lots but for a stock of 44.00, you most probably see a few ten lots up to 50 to 100 lots only on the seller side. It is basically not much difference actually, just people mindset tend to think it is "cheap". Just like people say Resort is cheap now with 2.10, but if without split, it is 10.50, then people won't say it is cheap anymore but actual fact both are same. |
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Dec 10 2008, 02:05 PM
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if 0.2 .. grab some to bet not bad rite .. else got news they really cannot sustain need to close
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Dec 10 2008, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 10 2008, 02:04 PM) Same one lah, yeah....tat's my point!!!! aiseh....they always look at the share price to determine whether it's cheap or xpensive.....You buy 1 lots (x100) BAT share at 44.00 = RM4k, commission Rm28 You buy 100 lots ABC penny stock of 0.40 = RM4k, commission Rm28. Some may argue from 0.40 to 0.50 is easy but for a stock to climb from 44.00 to 50.00 is equivalent easy as well. In fact, for 44.00 to climb to 50.00 it can be easier than 0.40 to 0.50 because high price stocks, there are not many retailers around which potential being seller to resist for the upside. But for 0.40 to surge, you need massive volume of buyers because there are plenty of sellers waiting on upside. How often to see selller Q in those penny stock with 10K,20k,30 lots but for a stock of 44.00, you most probably see a few ten lots up to 50 to 100 lots only on the seller side. It is basically not much difference actually, just people mindset tend to think it is "cheap". Just like people say Resort is cheap now with 2.10, but if without split, it is 10.50, then people won't say it is cheap anymore but actual fact both are same. Added on December 10, 2008, 2:34 pm QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 10 2008, 01:56 PM) Why start with BAT? hahaha....first of all....BAT due to high div yield.....I have a feeling that the younger generation is more health concious. I would expect the number of smokers over time either due to health concious or expensive cigarettes. number of smokers....well...i dun think it is dropping drastically...i'm part of the 'new generation' wat....my frens still smokes....esp those in construction line, sales etc....it's a 'pre-requisite' additionally.....now ppl more tensed....they could potentially smoke n drink more too.... anyway....all r just assumptions la...hehehee...but looking at current scenario...i think BAT is a safe bet for Div purpose....just my 2cents This post has been edited by kinwawa: Dec 10 2008, 02:34 PM |
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Dec 10 2008, 02:42 PM
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25,802 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Penang
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 10 2008, 01:57 PM) when is the due date for the submission? Every listed company cannot report later than 3 months after the Quarterly financial calendar.thought they will hv a AGM soon .. dont hv report talk wat Added on December 10, 2008, 1:59 pmbuy some oilcorp to bet? Added on December 10, 2008, 2:01 pmthe benefit of this forum is you get to know or aware of those stock which is popular day to day haha Popular doesn't mean will earn money, in fact most of the time popular stock (the top volume) is the one most people losing money one. No offence. |
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Dec 10 2008, 02:58 PM
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yeah agree .. popular doesn't mean can earn money ma hehe
btw wat if they dont produce report after 3mths |
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Dec 10 2008, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 10 2008, 02:58 PM) yeah agree .. popular doesn't mean can earn money ma hehe will be fined and reprimanded.. then may be classified as PN17 and risk of getting delisted.. btw wat if they dont produce report after 3mths |
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Dec 10 2008, 03:10 PM
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MAXIS used to be a good stock. what happen then ?
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Dec 10 2008, 03:23 PM
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 10 2008, 01:44 PM) Nice. This is my 3rd trade. Buy 2.18. Sell 2.20. In total I think earn about RM30. Yes, is peanuts but I'm just glad to have offloaded this counter. Hope you all can offload too. your remisier would be more than happy if you carry out such trade always. QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 10 2008, 03:10 PM) MAXIS used to be a good stock. what happen then ? privatise. dun wan to play wif u all |
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Dec 10 2008, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 10 2008, 03:23 PM) privatise. dun wan to play wif u all is that the only reason ?i was wondering ..... |
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Dec 10 2008, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 10 2008, 02:42 PM) Every listed company cannot report later than 3 months after the Quarterly financial calendar. should be two months,Cherrroy.Popular doesn't mean will earn money, in fact most of the time popular stock (the top volume) is the one most people losing money one. No offence. |
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Dec 10 2008, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(lklatmy @ Dec 10 2008, 03:25 PM) should be two months,Cherrroy. Mistaken it. Thanks for the correction. |
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Dec 10 2008, 03:33 PM
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THPLANT is proposing 1-for-1 bonus issues.
current price at 2.20, which is around the IPO price. is it worth buying? |
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Dec 10 2008, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 10 2008, 03:33 PM) THPLANT is proposing 1-for-1 bonus issues. I thought you are the expert in plantation stocks. current price at 2.20, which is around the IPO price. is it worth buying? Whenever we discuss the stocks in terms of PE, EPS or anything like that, someone would hit back. To me, sometimes I could hear people in the coffee shops in Malaysia , telling Mr. Obama want to to. Saying but not doing is a much easy job to do. Just my 2sen. This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Dec 10 2008, 03:40 PM |
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Dec 10 2008, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 10 2008, 03:25 PM) is that the only reason ? A privatised company means that they have accessed to use the company cash for their whatever reason, as it is you own company, you can do whatever you want. But for a public listed, no, you can't, as there are other shareholders benefit that need to look for, and more regulated.i was wondering ..... |
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Dec 10 2008, 03:45 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 10 2008, 03:33 PM) THPLANT is proposing 1-for-1 bonus issues. IPO price means nothing actually.current price at 2.20, which is around the IPO price. is it worth buying? My personal opinion, plantation stocks normally go up and down together due to the movement of CPO, so for me I would go for those old and established name that has showed good company management and showing good track of record one while big cap enough that fund managers need to put down the name into their list. Don't mean this stock no good, just some personal opinion. |
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Dec 10 2008, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 10 2008, 03:41 PM) A privatised company means that they have accessed to use the company cash for their whatever reason, as it is you own company, you can do whatever you want. But for a public listed, no, you can't, as there are other shareholders benefit that need to look for, and more regulated. yes. but if not mistaken their price wasn't cheap last time. they go pte then have to pay others shareholders' share.like this how to compete with DIGI ler, i wondering........ |
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Dec 10 2008, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 10 2008, 03:46 PM) yes. but if not mistaken their price wasn't cheap last time. they go pte then have to pay others shareholders' share. Competitiveness of a company has nothing to do with listed or no. like this how to compete with DIGI ler, i wondering........ Not to forget that Maxis is a money making machine which generate billions of profit as well every year. As long as the company cashflow is strong, and financial strong, list or no list make no different. In fact, listed means more hassle and troublesome paper work and job and not as flexible as pte for the company management actually. It being privatised at Rm15.30 something like that. If the company owner wish to list back, he can still do it in the future. May be re-listed back at RM20.00 or elsewhere, then he make even more gain out of it. |
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Dec 10 2008, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 10 2008, 03:46 PM) yes. but if not mistaken their price wasn't cheap last time. they go pte then have to pay others shareholders' share. Went private with rm 14 was not cheap, but another party could offer rm 25 to buy part of the shares would become cheap.like this how to compete with DIGI ler, i wondering........ |
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Dec 10 2008, 03:55 PM
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Sell whatever shares you have for a profit. Market is almost immune to any good news.
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Dec 10 2008, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 10 2008, 03:52 PM) Went private with rm 14 was not cheap, but another party could offer rm 25 to buy part of the shares would become cheap. You remind me about the deal Maxis put up last time after being privatised.Soon after it being privatised, at RM14 or Rm15, a large chunk (about 20% or so) of the shares being offered out to some foreign investors (middle east investment arm) something like Rm20 or so. Not quite remember exactly, some sort like that. He made money out of this deal! |
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Dec 10 2008, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 10 2008, 03:56 PM) You remind me about the deal Maxis put up last time after being privatised. RM 25 to the Arab investors.Soon after it being privatised, at RM14 or Rm15, a large chunk (about 20% or so) of the shares being offered out to some foreign investors (middle east investment arm) something like Rm20 or so. Not quite remember exactly, some sort like that. He made money out of this deal! |
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Dec 10 2008, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE(verbatim @ Dec 10 2008, 03:06 PM) will be fined and reprimanded.. then may be classified as PN17 and risk of getting delisted.. if delisted .. is that means all ur shares money gone? |
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Dec 10 2008, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 10 2008, 04:57 PM) RM 25 to the Arab investors. ananda is the cleaver guy, he know wat the future will be like. he sell the maxis and later invest in other field. Mobile and IT also almost saturated in the next few years, no excited any more. I think he still holding the cash. only we still struggling in penny stock. walao leh. This post has been edited by sampoo: Dec 10 2008, 04:15 PM |
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Dec 10 2008, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 10 2008, 04:12 PM) ananda is the cleaver guy, he know wat the future will be like. he sell the maxis and later invest in other field. Mobile and IT also almost saturated in the next few years, no excited any more. I think he still hoding the cash. Maxis and Astro have ventured into the Arab Worlds. He did not just stop from there, when there is more money to be made.This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Dec 10 2008, 04:16 PM |
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 10 2008, 04:10 PM) if delisted .. is that means all ur shares money gone? You still have the shares, just it no longer listed and tradable in the stock exchange.But delisted share as good as toilet paper. Just like you have something but cannot be sold, then how much should it worth? |
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 10 2008, 05:15 PM) Maxis and Astro have ventured into the Arab Worlds. He did not just stop from there, when there is more money to be made. yaloh his best fiend last time the gang he did help for doing the homework mah during uni time. |
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 10 2008, 03:56 PM) You remind me about the deal Maxis put up last time after being privatised. Soon after it being privatised, at RM14 or Rm15, a large chunk (about 20% or so) of the shares being offered out to some foreign investors (middle east investment arm) something like Rm20 or so. Not quite remember exactly, some sort like that. He made money out of this deal! QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 10 2008, 04:12 PM) ananda is the cleaver guy, he know wat the future will be like. he sell the maxis and later invest in other field. Mobile and IT also almost saturated in the next few years, no excited any more. I think he still hoding the cash. Nope. Each of maxis shares listed in the KLSE worth rm0.10 only. That's its nominal value.The stake Maxis sold to Saudi Telecom is based on RM1.00. Maxis can get more capital from the KLSE rather than from the Saudis. Ananda just doesn't want t go through the minority shareholders for every expansion he wants to explore. http://dprojek.blogspot.com/2007/06/saudi-...a-malaysia.html |
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Dec 10 2008, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(AdamG1981 @ Dec 10 2008, 04:55 PM) Sell whatever shares you have for a profit. Market is almost immune to any good news. Noted, but cannot tahan already leh. ci is shooooting. even i dun buy also i dun think will sell the stock till jan '09. good luck 4 me. |
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Dec 10 2008, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE(Ranny @ Dec 10 2008, 04:20 PM) Nope. Each of maxis shares listed in the KLSE worth rm0.10 only. That's its nominal value. That is what normally people say only, so minority shareholders would not get hurt.The stake Maxis sold to Saudi Telecom is based on RM1.00. Maxis can get more capital from the KLSE rather than from the Saudis. Ananda just doesn't want t go through the minority shareholders for every expansion he wants to explore. http://dprojek.blogspot.com/2007/06/saudi-...a-malaysia.html |
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Dec 10 2008, 04:29 PM
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wtf .. PA up 10% again ah .. wow
Added on December 10, 2008, 4:31 pm QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 10 2008, 04:20 PM) Noted, but cannot tahan already leh. ci is shooooting. even i dun buy also i dun think will sell the stock till jan '09. good luck 4 me. wanna sell also cannot like knm now .. damn red below my price so canhold only .. hahathanks for adam advice This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 10 2008, 04:31 PM |
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Dec 10 2008, 04:34 PM
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ic just as i wonder it must b something happening at MAXIS.
anyway, why u say pte / listed company make no different mr. cherroy. I tot if u listed company can input more $ into ur company fund so can grow ur company. This post has been edited by aoisky: Dec 10 2008, 04:35 PM |
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Dec 10 2008, 04:41 PM
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Been Queing zelan at 0.81 for the whole day, comeon~!
5 minutes more.. hehe Added on December 10, 2008, 4:44 pmsome matched, not mine :'( This post has been edited by eltaria: Dec 10 2008, 04:44 PM |
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 10 2008, 04:34 PM) ic just as i wonder it must b something happening at MAXIS. If one company is financial sound, cash rich, has access to capital market to raise capital through bond etc, it makes no different in term of company competitiveness.anyway, why u say pte / listed company make no different mr. cherroy. I tot if u listed company can input more $ into ur company fund so can grow ur company. |
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Dec 10 2008, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 10 2008, 04:44 PM) If one company is financial sound, cash rich, has access to capital market to raise capital through bond etc, it makes no different in term of company competitiveness. but majority big corp are listed company leh. perhaps if ur company not listed ppl don't know imo. |
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QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 10 2008, 04:20 PM) Noted, but cannot tahan already leh. ci is shooooting. even i dun buy also i dun think will sell the stock till jan '09. good luck 4 me. The bull is about to give your bear side the strongest upthrust lasting the whole week till climax kao kao |
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 10 2008, 04:17 PM) You still have the shares, just it no longer listed and tradable in the stock exchange. like my wembley and YCS... as good as gone.. toilet paper.... even worse cos i cant even use it as a toilet paper...But delisted share as good as toilet paper. Just like you have something but cannot be sold, then how much should it worth? |
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Dec 10 2008, 04:53 PM
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Hi guys, my first sales at the T-O price.
I Q my Zelan at 0.81, The T-O price is at 0.82 I check the sold history, it doesn't show 0.81 transactions. Only 1 HUGE 3500 lots transaction at 0.82 So was my zelan sold at 0.81 or 0.82?? Added on December 10, 2008, 4:55 pmWoot, I checked the transaction details, it says 0.82? True? This post has been edited by eltaria: Dec 10 2008, 04:55 PM |
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Dec 10 2008, 04:55 PM
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Newly released ASM funds entering the market today issit?
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Dec 10 2008, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Dec 10 2008, 04:53 PM) Hi guys, my first sales at the T-O price. You get buyer price, earn more.I Q my Zelan at 0.81, The T-O price is at 0.82 I check the sold history, it doesn't show 0.81 transactions. Only 1 HUGE 3500 lots transaction at 0.82 So was my zelan sold at 0.81 or 0.82?? This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Dec 10 2008, 04:56 PM |
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Dec 10 2008, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Dec 10 2008, 04:53 PM) Hi guys, my first sales at the T-O price. wat time u queue at 0.81?I Q my Zelan at 0.81, The T-O price is at 0.82 I check the sold history, it doesn't show 0.81 transactions. Only 1 HUGE 3500 lots transaction at 0.82 So was my zelan sold at 0.81 or 0.82?? wat time u see the 0.82 transaction? |
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Dec 10 2008, 04:56 PM
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Added on December 10, 2008, 4:56 pmI Q at 0.81 after lunch... the details of the transaction says as above.. 16:50 Order matched. [5000] Shares, Price [0.82], Terminal ID [xxx], Order No [xxxxxxx] Seq No [xxxxx]. If your Q price is lower than the T-O price, it'll upgrade it to the T-O price? This post has been edited by eltaria: Dec 10 2008, 04:58 PM |
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Dec 10 2008, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE(verbatim @ Dec 10 2008, 04:53 PM) like my wembley and YCS... as good as gone.. toilet paper.... even worse cos i cant even use it as a toilet paper... mind to share wat acttly happen wit ur share & company |
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Dec 10 2008, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Dec 10 2008, 04:53 PM) Hi guys, my first sales at the T-O price. yes should be that way... when someone whacks big quantity, it get done higher... check with ur dealer or remisier.. lucky u if its done at 82I Q my Zelan at 0.81, The T-O price is at 0.82 I check the sold history, it doesn't show 0.81 transactions. Only 1 HUGE 3500 lots transaction at 0.82 So was my zelan sold at 0.81 or 0.82?? Added on December 10, 2008, 4:55 pmWoot, I checked the transaction details, it says 0.82? True? Added on December 10, 2008, 4:59 pm QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 10 2008, 04:56 PM) mind to share wat acttly happen wit ur share & company both the mangkuk companies are gone.. delisted... but i do receive annual reports from wembley.. YCS, no idea at all...This post has been edited by verbatim: Dec 10 2008, 04:59 PM |
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QUOTE(sabrateur @ Dec 10 2008, 04:55 PM) Newly released ASM funds entering the market today issit? I also wondering why the bull suddenly come today. Does any1 know why the sudden rally? |
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 10 2008, 05:00 PM) I also wondering why the bull suddenly come today. Does any1 know why the sudden rally? omg! you call this a rally? if rally, i jump in oredi. |
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Dec 10 2008, 04:56 PM) Added on December 10, 2008, 4:56 pmI Q at 0.81 after lunch... the details of the transaction says as above.. 16:50 Order matched. [5000] Shares, Price [0.82], Terminal ID [xxx], Order No [xxxxxxx] Seq No [xxxxx]. If your Q price is lower than the T-O price, it'll upgrade it to the T-O price? |
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Dec 10 2008, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(verbatim @ Dec 10 2008, 04:57 PM) yes should be that way... when someone whacks big quantity, it get done higher... check with ur dealer or remisier.. lucky u if its done at 82 You still get AR from them? How about the profits, if they're still making a profit, do you get a piece of the pie?Added on December 10, 2008, 4:59 pm both the mangkuk companies are gone.. delisted... but i do receive annual reports from wembley.. YCS, no idea at all... Added on December 10, 2008, 5:11 pm QUOTE(lklatmy @ Dec 10 2008, 05:08 PM) If matched before 4.45pm,then it would be at 81 sen.in your case,matched at 4.50 meaning at the TCP(theoretical closing price) of 82 sen,so you got matched at 82 sen. Interesting, thanks... this is like a repeat of the 15 minute zelan rush last week or two ago...last 15 minutes sudden boost to 0.88/9?.... This post has been edited by eltaria: Dec 10 2008, 05:11 PM |
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Dec 10 2008, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 10 2008, 04:49 PM) but majority big corp are listed company leh. Yes, because when the company become bigger, it makes sense to get cheap capital from the market investors through listing, also risk of company can be spreaded out. perhaps if ur company not listed ppl don't know imo. But listing is not about making company to be known, making business doesn't need to be well known to the public. |
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 10 2008, 02:04 PM) Same one lah, hi mr cherroy refer back to this thread u posted, after all I don't fully agree (bold sentence). You buy 1 lots (x100) BAT share at 44.00 = RM4k, commission Rm28 You buy 100 lots ABC penny stock of 0.40 = RM4k, commission Rm28. Some may argue from 0.40 to 0.50 is easy but for a stock to climb from 44.00 to 50.00 is equivalent easy as well. In fact, for 44.00 to climb to 50.00 it can be easier than 0.40 to 0.50 because high price stocks, there are not many retailers around which potential being seller to resist for the upside. But for 0.40 to surge, you need massive volume of buyers because there are plenty of sellers waiting on upside. How often to see selller Q in those penny stock with 10K,20k,30 lots but for a stock of 44.00, you most probably see a few ten lots up to 50 to 100 lots only on the seller side. It is basically not much difference actually, just people mindset tend to think it is "cheap". Just like people say Resort is cheap now with 2.10, but if without split, it is 10.50, then people won't say it is cheap anymore but actual fact both are same. to buy more than 1 lot it better than own 1 lot. basically its strategy rather than 'Cheap'. 1lot of BAT @ 44.00 shld be 4400 sharp while to buy 100 lots of penny stock not necessarily @ 0.40 as share price is fluctuate in a single day. if u buy separately session in a single day u may by chance get 100 lots of abc stock @ avg price less than 0.40 (let say 0.38). e.g 1 lot BAT @ 44.00 = 4400 + 28 + 5 + 1.32 = 4434.32 115 lots ABC @ 0.38 = 4370 + 28 + 5 + 1.31 = 4404.31 44.oo's 10% is 4.400 ; 48.400 x 1lot = 4840 - 28 - 5 - 1.45 - 4034.32 = 771.23 00.38's 10% is 0.038 : 0.418 x 115lots = 4807 - 28 - 5 - 1.44 - 3833.14 = 939.42 for a stock at 44.00 stock to match penny stock's return it must rise +- 15% which is 5.00-6.00 wow for penny stock as u mention nit huge volume of buyer to surge, just few cents its possible (e.g. PA stock) big player + small player oso joining the trade, meanwhile stock valued @ 44.00 I believe not much player there. what if one day 1 day BAT goes pte like MAXIS. then 1 lot = 4840 gone or if one day my abc goes pte let say i just buy 10 lots only = 380. which one higher risk? sry just my humble opinion. this is my strategy of trade This post has been edited by aoisky: Dec 10 2008, 07:14 PM |
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Dec 10 2008, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 10 2008, 01:17 PM) me have PBBANK. and it is going to announce dividends in the upcoming Jan 09 Please please price drop a bit so that I can buy cheaper..... then can shoot up as much as it wants! |
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Dec 10 2008, 07:30 PM
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European starts in RED but going to U-turn.
DJIA future is GREEN: 8,793.00 +73.00 |
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Dec 10 2008, 08:34 PM
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investors will re-focus on the economic data.
i dont think the rally can sustain. catalyst: Christmas sales ? 2009 strategy , asset allocation ? Added on December 10, 2008, 8:39 pmjasontoh, i see you here this is my blog - http://todayfinancialworld.blogspot.com This post has been edited by alfredfx: Dec 10 2008, 08:39 PM |
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Dec 10 2008, 08:47 PM
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I hope it's gonna rally until Chinese New Year!
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Dec 10 2008, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 10 2008, 09:47 PM) I hope it's gonna rally until Chinese New Year! Don think so. Bear in mind now is recession period ok..As long as economy don have any sign of recovery basically the stock market will not keep on rising....A common mistake speculator made is they set themselves a target time to buy and sell.... Instead a proper way of trading or investing is set a target price to buy and sell not the time This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 10 2008, 08:59 PM |
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Dec 10 2008, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 10 2008, 07:09 PM) hi mr cherroy refer back to this thread u posted, after all I don't fully agree (bold sentence). I know where your arguement come from. It is quite common preception in the market but think deeper, it makes no or not much different, as it is the total amount you had invested that matter only.to buy more than 1 lot it better than own 1 lot. basically its strategy rather than 'Cheap'. 1lot of BAT @ 44.00 shld be 4400 sharp while to buy 100 lots of penny stock not necessarily @ 0.40 as share price is fluctuate in a single day. if u buy separately session in a single day u may by chance get 100 lots of abc stock @ avg price less than 0.40 (let say 0.38). e.g 1 lot BAT @ 44.00 = 4400 + 28 + 5 + 1.32 = 4434.32 115 lots ABC @ 0.38 = 4370 + 28 + 5 + 1.31 = 4404.31 44.oo's 10% is 4.400 ; 48.400 x 1lot = 4840 - 28 - 5 - 1.45 - 4034.32 = 771.23 00.38's 10% is 0.038 : 0.418 x 115lots = 4807 - 28 - 5 - 1.44 - 3833.14 = 939.42 for a stock at 44.00 stock to match penny stock's return it must rise +- 15% which is 5.00-6.00 wow for penny stock as u mention nit huge volume of buyer to surge, just few cents its possible (e.g. PA stock) big player + small player oso joining the trade, meanwhile stock valued @ 44.00 I believe not much player there. what if one day 1 day BAT goes pte like MAXIS. then 1 lot = 4840 gone or if one day my abc goes pte let say i just buy 10 lots only = 380. which one higher risk? sry just my humble opinion. this is my strategy of trade But I don't know how you come out the 10% part, nvm, this is not important. As response to your statement, If one company going into private, it means the privatising party need to fork out at least more than current market price before it can be done, it is not 4400 gone. Maxis shareholders never lose a single cent out of it. You are comparing with different method. 1 lot 4840 vs 10 lot or 100 lots amounted 380. Let say you have 5000k in hand and meant to be invested, you either buy 1 lot (x100) of 4400 or 100+ lots at 0.38 equivalent. It is the amount of invested money that matter, not price. Yes, more transaction give you chance to do DCA, but insignificant in a 4k trade, as you don't trade lower than 1 K per transaction or per day as min commission will kill you potential gain in the first place. If higher amount like 8K, then even at 44.00 you have at least 2 transaction can be made already. Still amount of invested money dictates, not price. Below although not related, but just for some information. High price stock, why it is high in the first place? because they are good company that provide good return rate to the shareholder, that's why people willing to buy at that high price (excluding those being goreng one), while penny stock why it stays at penny for years and decade? because it can't deliver good return rate to the shareholders, so people not willing to buy at higher price, (excluding those low price because of splitting). |
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For previous resort case,
If you mean to invested 10K in resort, you buy 50 lot of 2.10 vs 10 lot of 10.50 (if resort never split it share), they are totally the same stock, same holding % in the company. But I can bet people will say resort is cheap at 2.10 but expensive at 10.50 (if resort never split until now), but they are the same! |
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Dec 10 2008, 10:11 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 10 2008, 10:58 PM) For previous resort case, those ppl who buy stock base on the surface price is consider new hand or gamblers. we should looking at the whole company value before entering or buying the stock. for example the maybank now worth RM25 Billion, it possible worth RM30 Billion during the economy recovery, that mean the price may shoot to RM6.10. Just to promote MAYBANK. If you mean to invested 10K in resort, you buy 50 lot of 2.10 vs 10 lot of 10.50 (if resort never split it share), they are totally the same stock, same holding % in the company. But I can bet people will say resort is cheap at 2.10 but expensive at 10.50 (if resort never split until now), but they are the same! This post has been edited by sampoo: Dec 10 2008, 10:14 PM |
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Dec 10 2008, 10:25 PM
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Here's some analysis of Oilcorp : http://whereiszemoola.blogspot.com/
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Dec 10 2008, 10:39 PM
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DJIA opens the day with GREEN:
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Dec 10 2008, 10:45 PM
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But our market seems to react more to the dow futures?
Deosn't matter if it's green tonight, if dow futures red, it'll be red |
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Dec 10 2008, 10:50 PM
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our share market dun follow DOW nowadays.
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Dec 10 2008, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 10 2008, 10:25 PM) i think Savage Garden - Crash 'n' Burn suited them. Owe 600+Millions |
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Dec 10 2008, 10:45 PM) But our market seems to react more to the dow futures? Market may have priced in the news ady?? The optimism that Fed gonna bail out d Autocar industryDeosn't matter if it's green tonight, if dow futures red, it'll be red |
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Dec 10 2008, 11:53 PM
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Predict the market up or down is like predict when u gona having ur lunch (Trend) and at wat times (Enter Timing). If u already know which restaurant (Stock) is best for eating, go there and get some delicious food (Return of Investment) & enjoy (Retired)!
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Dec 11 2008, 12:01 AM
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 10 2008, 07:29 PM) Please please price drop a bit so that I can buy cheaper..... then can shoot up as much as it wants! |
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Dec 11 2008, 12:03 AM
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QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 10 2008, 11:53 PM) Predict the market up or down is like predict when u gona having ur lunch (Trend) and at wat times (Enter Timing). If u already know which restaurant (Stock) is best for eating, go there and get some delicious food (Return of Investment) & enjoy (Retired)! I think tomorrow I will puasa (fasting). - Sampoo - |
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 10 2008, 09:58 PM) For previous resort case, well correct oso la, but this case u compared same stock at dif price (b4 n after split), wat if, if u compare 2 dif stock at dif price?If you mean to invested 10K in resort, you buy 50 lot of 2.10 vs 10 lot of 10.50 (if resort never split it share), they are totally the same stock, same holding % in the company. But I can bet people will say resort is cheap at 2.10 but expensive at 10.50 (if resort never split until now), but they are the same! but dunno la if comparing 2 dif stock I still think that the way I was thinking about. anyway thanks for ur clear explanation. erm for newbie usually trade extra carefully and trade using smaller amount of $ b4 bcom experience. am i right just flash back ur memory when is ur maiden trade and which stock did u buy .... i think its probably start with penny stock just my two pennies worth.... dare to ask no offense this is how rookie trader learning to progress... thanks for sharing ur knowledge This post has been edited by aoisky: Dec 11 2008, 12:32 AM |
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i suggest rookie traders, just make imaginary buys and sells to see your own progress. if u have small capital, its hardly worth playing the market, due to the insane commission. with like 1k or less, u gain very very little, but u'll feel the pinch of every loss like crazy. i suggest saving first and practice imaginary trades
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Dec 11 2008, 02:48 AM
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The market cannot be sustained by pure hype alone. Fundamentals will come to play soon enough when the hysteria dies down. Those smart traders will LEAVE once the room gets too crowed. Don't get caught holding the bag.
Added on December 11, 2008, 2:53 amFor those who knows how to read DJIA chart, daily activity reflects shooting star with stochastics in the OB region. As i said, the market cannot be sustained by hope and bailouts. This post has been edited by AdamG1981: Dec 11 2008, 02:53 AM |
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Dec 11 2008, 07:20 AM
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DJIA closed with:
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Dec 11 2008, 08:19 AM
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zzz.. hlebroking is down again.
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Dec 11 2008, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Dec 11 2008, 09:19 AM) zzz.. hlebroking is down again. yes, HLB HQ server is down in the morning, nothing to do with the TM internet line. its system is not stable due to frequency power trip. |
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Dec 11 2008, 08:59 AM
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was hoping to unload off some resorts at the morning trades.... from 2.25 to 2.28... just told my dealer to q for me at 2.28 then....
Added on December 11, 2008, 9:00 amWhat the... those guys are really quite efficient, ngam ngam 9am the server's back up... Added on December 11, 2008, 9:01 amSpoke too soon.. website's up but still can't login... 100012. Unable to process your request. Please try later This post has been edited by eltaria: Dec 11 2008, 09:01 AM |
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Dec 11 2008, 09:16 AM
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sapcres on the run again......go go go....
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Dec 11 2008, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Dec 11 2008, 09:16 AM) sapcres on the run again......go go go.... he-he, just announced another 2 sen dividend |
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QUOTE(Baronic @ Dec 11 2008, 01:37 AM) i suggest rookie traders, just make imaginary buys and sells to see your own progress. if u have small capital, its hardly worth playing the market, due to the insane commission. with like 1k or less, u gain very very little, but u'll feel the pinch of every loss like crazy. i suggest saving first and practice imaginary trades this is rather rather ridiculous suggestion from the non-rookie advise. if capital 1k or less of coz no playing la. small capital oso can gain 1, not necessarily need huge capital than baru start thinking of trading. trade little earn little of coz loss oso little trade more earn more of coz loss oso more |
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Dec 11 2008, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Dec 11 2008, 09:17 AM) he-he, just announced another 2 sen dividend oh...result out liao...nt bad nt bad.....div ex-date on Jan wor...so still got time for them to 'goreng' hehehehe.....go go go |
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Dec 11 2008, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 11 2008, 09:21 AM) this is rather rather ridiculous suggestion from the non-rookie advise. I disagree.if capital 1k or less of coz no playing la. small capital oso can gain 1, not necessarily need huge capital than baru start thinking of trading. trade little earn little of coz loss oso little trade more earn more of coz loss oso more As someone with small capital, it's all the more CRUCIAL to preserve your army. You don't want your one and only army to be wiped out or get stuck in a war of attrition. The small cash amount will mean the minimum brokerage is much higher RM 14 per buy and sell transaction = 1.4% buy, 1.4% sell. You need the share to rise 3% to break even.... No need to say if ur min brokerage is 28, u'll need a 6% rise to break even if u're purchasing with 1k and below. Even if the share didn't move, u're already having a paper loss of 3%/ 6% to the transaction fees And if u made a bad choice, and it drops, you'll be stuck even worst. Definitely not suggesting ppl to trade with such a small amount. The surest way to lose money, if i may add. You start off with a 1.4% paper loss the moment you bought the shares. And at the time you sell, it's at 2.8% paper loss. it's like 20% 80% odds of you making money from a trade if you buy at 1k below, u'll have better odds playing big small at genting, and staying in resorts This post has been edited by eltaria: Dec 11 2008, 09:50 AM |
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Dec 11 2008, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 11 2008, 12:30 AM) well correct oso la, but this case u compared same stock at dif price (b4 n after split), wat if, if u compare 2 dif stock at dif price? I can share my experience, I first traded stocks were KLK and PPB, both at around 7.00. but dunno la if comparing 2 dif stock I still think that the way I was thinking about. anyway thanks for ur clear explanation. erm for newbie usually trade extra carefully and trade using smaller amount of $ b4 bcom experience. am i right just flash back ur memory when is ur maiden trade and which stock did u buy .... i think its probably start with penny stock just my two pennies worth.... dare to ask no offense this is how rookie trader learning to progress... thanks for sharing ur knowledge I am not against penny stock, just advise people don't look at low price means they are cheap and having more potential, it doesn't correlated. Stock become too low price has its reason, stock price is not something just figure that moving up and down for fun. |
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Dec 11 2008, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Dec 11 2008, 09:42 AM) I disagree. erm .. ur explanation is good but u given an 1K and < example here... As someone with small capital, it's all the more CRUCIAL to preserve your army. You don't want your one and only army to be wiped out or get stuck in a war of attrition. The small cash amount will mean the minimum brokerage is much higher RM 14 per buy and sell transaction = 1.4% buy, 1.4% sell. You need the share to rise 3% to break even.... No need to say if ur min brokerage is 28, u'll need a 6% rise to break even if u're purchasing with 1k and below. Even if the share didn't move, u're already having a paper loss of 3%/ 6% to the transaction fees And if u made a bad choice, and it drops, you'll be stuck even worst. Definitely not suggesting ppl to trade with such a small amount. The surest way to lose money, if i may add. You start off with a 1.4% paper loss the moment you bought the shares. And at the time you sell, it's at 2.8% paper loss. it's like 20% 80% odds of you making money from a trade if you buy at 1k below, u'll have better odds playing big small at genting, and staying in resorts As my post there i'd clearly mention if 1K or less I wouldn't trade. my small trade is 5k. ppl trade's objective is gain and hoping the share to rise, not the other way round. even for a penny stock movement is 1/2 cents meanwhile for BAT shares movement is 25 cents. though both penny stock n dollar stock valued may differ, but the investment method still the same its the timing n decision making that does matter? "ppl tend to think that small trader tend to loss $, while big player tend to generate tonnes of $" IMO |
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Dec 11 2008, 10:35 AM
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aoisky, actually baronic's statement is on 1k trades. So i'd assume ur reply was on his 1k trade.
3-5k, definitely can trade... I have good and bad trades both with penny and bigger stocks. Penny stocks is good too if bought at right prices... i were thinking about going in for scomi at 0.355 just now, didn't and now it's at 0.365+ dee 1 or 2 bids up, can net you some profit for penny stocks. |
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Dec 11 2008, 10:41 AM
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so what is the hot stock today
so boring take leave today stay at home watch CI |
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Dec 11 2008, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 11 2008, 10:09 AM) I can share my experience, I first traded stocks were KLK and PPB, both at around 7.00. thanks again mr. cherroy willing to share ur precious experience here.I am not against penny stock, just advise people don't look at low price means they are cheap and having more potential, it doesn't correlated. Stock become too low price has its reason, stock price is not something just figure that moving up and down for fun. but with low capital ppl tend to aiming cheap stock (due to limited choices) coz can diversified our investment (don't put all ur eggs in 1 basket), on the other hand huge capital wider option can but bluechip buy BAT or even speculate penny stock. "still ppl mind set la after all" u r right mr. cherroy, no offense to come with such opinion but thanks for all the feedback. cause I dont comes out with such ridiculous idea wouldn't learn from siffoo Added on December 11, 2008, 10:45 am QUOTE(eltaria @ Dec 11 2008, 10:35 AM) aoisky, actually baronic's statement is on 1k trades. So i'd assume ur reply was on his 1k trade. er... scomi r y u looking at scomi leh....3-5k, definitely can trade... I have good and bad trades both with penny and bigger stocks. Penny stocks is good too if bought at right prices... i were thinking about going in for scomi at 0.355 just now, didn't and now it's at 0.365+ dee 1 or 2 bids up, can net you some profit for penny stocks. i am waiting this bullshit stock to rise n sale it when its the right time. o ya btw recently those oil related stock not performing well. KNM like yO - Yo This post has been edited by aoisky: Dec 11 2008, 10:48 AM |
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Dec 11 2008, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 11 2008, 10:42 AM) thanks again mr. cherroy willing to share ur precious experience here. If for short term trade and speculation, blue chips, potato chips or chocolate chips make no different, as you only trade the differentiate in the price, it is just like a gaming process or a computer game that you speculate the price movement only, whether it is ABC or XYZ stock, make no different, it is all about price movement only.but with low capital ppl tend to aiming cheap stock (due to limited choices) coz can diversified our investment (don't put all ur eggs in 1 basket), on the other hand huge capital wider option can but bluechip buy BAT or even speculate penny stock. "still ppl mind set la after all" u r right mr. cherroy, no offense to come with such opinion but thanks for all the feedback. cause I dont comes out with such ridiculous idea wouldn't learn from siffoo But previous statement I made is about long term investment, ie. you are actually investing in the company and aims for that company make profit for you and growth with the company. |
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Dec 11 2008, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 11 2008, 10:50 AM) If for short term trade and speculation, blue chips, potato chips or chocolate chips make no different, as you only trade the differentiate in the price, it is just like a gaming process or a computer game that you speculate the price movement only, whether it is ABC or XYZ stock, make no different, it is all about price movement only. i LOLed hard at the bold part But previous statement I made is about long term investment, ie. you are actually investing in the company and aims for that company make profit for you and growth with the company. |
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Dec 11 2008, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 11 2008, 10:42 AM) er... scomi r y u looking at scomi leh.... i am waiting this bullshit stock to rise n sale it when its the right time. o ya btw recently those oil related stock not performing well. KNM like yO - Yo If you get it at right price, 0.35 < i believe can make some trade gains out of it |
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Dec 11 2008, 11:00 AM
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scomi .. hmm
all counters today seem boring dont hv any fluctuation |
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Dec 11 2008, 11:02 AM
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anybody having streamyx problem especially into interational websites?
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Dec 11 2008, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 11:00 AM) scomi .. hmm take leave to watch CI but now got no movement. Then yourall counters today seem boring dont hv any fluctuation leave is wasted |
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Dec 11 2008, 11:06 AM
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ya lo waste my leave nvm i took 2 days tml still can watch .. still hv leave to clear
my internet at home is far more smoother than in the office haha Added on December 11, 2008, 11:13 amgamuda up slowly in this past few days from low as 1.5 to now 1.77 not bad This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 11 2008, 11:13 AM |
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Dec 11 2008, 11:20 AM
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PA still moving lor and already broke the 0.50 resistance. Next stop is 0.535
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Dec 11 2008, 11:22 AM
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speaking of long term investment, is MMC a good buy at such price?
I'm thinking it's a good deal if we look at it from a 3-5 years frame. SATS purchase, if it goes through the AGM while it's expensive, and it's a RPT, and paid in cash some more, there's an upside to it as well as it synergizes well with their logistics business, from port to plane. Not to mention their other ongoing projects as well. what do you all think? |
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Dec 11 2008, 11:31 AM
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those who bought PA at 0.2+ now already earn 100% woo
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Dec 11 2008, 11:32 AM
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If i have TNB stock, 10 Dec is the X date, when can sell the stock? Is it 12 or 15 Dec? TQ
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Dec 11 2008, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE(dsugums @ Dec 11 2008, 11:20 AM) PA still moving lor and already broke the 0.50 resistance. Next stop is 0.535 Any news/rumours on this counter or plain goreng? |
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Dec 11 2008, 11:36 AM
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I think the next goreng counter will be Sapcres.
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Dec 11 2008, 11:38 AM
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sapres flying high now ..
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Dec 11 2008, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE(alivecmh @ Dec 11 2008, 11:36 AM) I think the next goreng counter will be Sapcres. i'ved been waiting for this moment! hehhehee......been loading some when it dropped lately... |
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Dec 11 2008, 11:46 AM
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what is PA full name? |
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Dec 11 2008, 11:47 AM
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a warrant of 0.005/0.01 .. how many if them will go to 0?
Added on December 11, 2008, 11:47 am QUOTE(kinwawa @ Dec 11 2008, 11:38 AM) i'ved been waiting for this moment! hehhehee......been loading some when it dropped lately... This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 11 2008, 11:47 AM |
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Dec 11 2008, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Dec 11 2008, 11:22 AM) speaking of long term investment, is MMC a good buy at such price? The company is all about one person ie. its CEO.I'm thinking it's a good deal if we look at it from a 3-5 years frame. SATS purchase, if it goes through the AGM while it's expensive, and it's a RPT, and paid in cash some more, there's an upside to it as well as it synergizes well with their logistics business, from port to plane. Not to mention their other ongoing projects as well. what do you all think? Which people said it highly political linked. Market doesn't like any company come out with expensive acquisition. No comment nor any view this stock is good or not. |
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Dec 11 2008, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE(yang yang @ Dec 11 2008, 11:32 AM) If i have TNB stock, 10 Dec is the X date, when can sell the stock? Is it 12 or 15 Dec? TQ You can sell on 10 Dec which you already entitle for it. |
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Dec 11 2008, 11:55 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 11 2008, 11:53 AM) You can sell on 10 Dec which you already entitle for it. oic. tq |
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Dec 11 2008, 11:58 AM
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How long will the window dressing will last anyway?
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Dec 11 2008, 11:58 AM
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for those looking for div counter.....might consider Uchitec...div of 6 cents...but bear in mind their sales shd drop next yr due to the slowdown....main biz is selling circuit board for coffee maker....
i'm still thinking whether worth o not to take the risk....but if buy....will buy for long term...as usual |
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Dec 11 2008, 12:01 PM
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Interim Tax Exempt Dividend of 6 Sen per share of RM0.20 each
wat does this mean Added on December 11, 2008, 12:06 pmjust got to read this http://nexttrade.blogspot.com/2008/12/uchi...-line-slid.html This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 11 2008, 12:06 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Dec 11 2008, 11:58 AM) for those looking for div counter.....might consider Uchitec...div of 6 cents...but bear in mind their sales shd drop next yr due to the slowdown....main biz is selling circuit board for coffee maker.... not bad leh...share price oso tumble...can keep long term i'm still thinking whether worth o not to take the risk....but if buy....will buy for long term...as usual |
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Dec 11 2008, 12:15 PM
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so yangyang .. goint to buy also .. im considering now x date is end or this month rite maybe will goreng up tat time
Added on December 11, 2008, 12:19 pmUchitec not bad div counter .. wanna q already Added on December 11, 2008, 12:21 pmstock price lowest in 5 yrs Added on December 11, 2008, 12:22 pmbut this conter the liquidity = fair only This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 11 2008, 12:22 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 12:23 PM
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my first contra gain of 100 bucks made from uchi... hehehe
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Dec 11 2008, 12:24 PM
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btw where can i check which company will pay out div in coming mths?
Added on December 11, 2008, 12:25 pm QUOTE(eltaria @ Dec 11 2008, 12:23 PM) my first contra gain of 100 bucks made from uchi... hehehe i think if buy will hold on this counter for long termThis post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 11 2008, 12:25 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 12:15 PM) so yangyang .. goint to buy also .. im considering now x date is end or this month rite maybe will goreng up tat time buy sure buy Added on December 11, 2008, 12:19 pmUchitec not bad div counter .. wanna q already Added on December 11, 2008, 12:21 pmstock price lowest in 5 yrs Added on December 11, 2008, 12:22 pmbut this conter the liquidity = fair only but buy in stages maybe buy 30 X 100 |
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Dec 11 2008, 12:34 PM
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just think about the same
Added on December 11, 2008, 12:34 pmjust think about the same This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 11 2008, 12:34 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 12:34 PM) just think about the same yeah .... High Five... Added on December 11, 2008, 12:34 pmjust think about the same hmmm why no smiley high five....he he |
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Dec 11 2008, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE(yang yang @ Dec 11 2008, 12:38 PM) yeah .... High Five... hmmm why no smiley high five....he he 2 can or notAdded on December 11, 2008, 12:46 pmbut explain wat does Interim Tax Exempt Dividend of 6 Sen per share of RM0.20 each means Added on December 11, 2008, 12:46 pm QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 12:44 PM) 2 can or notAdded on December 11, 2008, 12:46 pmbut can explain wat does Interim Tax Exempt Dividend of 6 Sen per share of RM0.20 each means |
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Dec 11 2008, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 12:44 PM) 2 can or notAdded on December 11, 2008, 12:46 pmbut explain wat does Interim Tax Exempt Dividend of 6 Sen per share of RM0.20 each means Added on December 11, 2008, 12:46 pm sure canThis post has been edited by yang yang: Dec 11 2008, 12:48 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 12:15 PM) so yangyang .. goint to buy also .. im considering now x date is end or this month rite maybe will goreng up tat time Let me Q first. I been eyeing this counter since mid November. I missed the boat at 0.93Added on December 11, 2008, 12:19 pmUchitec not bad div counter .. wanna q already Added on December 11, 2008, 12:21 pmstock price lowest in 5 yrs Added on December 11, 2008, 12:22 pmbut this conter the liquidity = fair only |
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Dec 11 2008, 01:28 PM
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dont think it will lower than 0.945
the price so steady there Added on December 11, 2008, 1:50 pmact me q at 0.94 haha .. dont think can get maybe up bit to 0.945 later This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 11 2008, 01:50 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 01:52 PM
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Anyone can find out at what price the sapcres-wa is worth to convert to mother share, assuming by the time of expiry date, the parent share price is rm0.80.
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Dec 11 2008, 01:52 PM
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wanna ask one questions .. since everyone say buying is stock is not gambling wonder how many of u really don't gamble i.e. buy 4D, TOTO, go genting casino play, or play poker among ur fren
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Dec 11 2008, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 01:52 PM) wanna ask one questions .. since everyone say buying is stock is not gambling wonder how many of u really don't gamble i.e. buy 4D, TOTO, go genting casino play, or play poker among ur fren lol, i'm still buying TOTO from time to time. Being eyeing the MEGA jackpot, think it still rm20m. I play for fun only, average "investment" rm20 per month. |
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Dec 11 2008, 02:10 PM
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frankly speaking...share is also gambling la...hehehehe...when v r wagering our money with an uncertain outcome.....it's gamble also lo.....just tat the term 'gamble' is too general la
all associate with genting-style gambling hehehehhei do buy 4-D sometimes......avg less than RM5/month....try my luck ma sometimes hahahaha |
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Dec 11 2008, 02:18 PM
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haha i also asked my father buy TOTO mega jackpot haha even i not in malaysia haha .. if get the 20M WAHHHhhh really no need work
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Dec 11 2008, 02:25 PM
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well, buying shares is not gambling in the sense that
1) There's some skill/educated guesses/knowledge which will improve your odds. Gambling is 100% luck. You can learn to play blackjack, but it's still 100% luck. 2) You control the outcome, the outcome doesn't control you. Whether the outcome is lose a bit, win a bit, lose a lot, win a lot, no win no lose it's all under ur control. But then again, both the buyers and sellers are also educated ppl both have their strategies to make money, once skill/knowledge balances out, you can theorectically say that all that's left are luck Added on December 11, 2008, 2:30 pmseems like shares are crashing down in the afternoon session after a very very mild upward attempt. This post has been edited by eltaria: Dec 11 2008, 02:30 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Dec 11 2008, 02:25 PM) well, buying shares is not gambling in the sense that 1) i think in gambling...u can also analyze it if u wan....all on 'odds'.....1) There's some skill/educated guesses/knowledge which will improve your odds. Gambling is 100% luck. You can learn to play blackjack, but it's still 100% luck. 2) You control the outcome, the outcome doesn't control you. Whether the outcome is lose a bit, win a bit, lose a lot, win a lot, no win no lose it's all under ur control. But then again, both the buyers and sellers are also educated ppl both have their strategies to make money, once skill/knowledge balances out, you can theorectically say that all that's left are luck for shares....ya....generally it's not meant for gambling but how many really do analyze, knowledgable.....usually, they simply buy one la.....goreng goreng is the word best described this hahaha 2)in tat sense...u r correct anyway......very subjective hehehehe let's c how KLCI perform in the 2nd session |
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Dec 11 2008, 02:34 PM
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wow axreit 1.1
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Dec 11 2008, 02:36 PM
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Main difference between buying shares and gambling:
In buying shares, at the end of the day, you OWN something. Even if it is not worth much, at least you own it. In gambling, you win if you win, if you lose, you have nothing. |
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Dec 11 2008, 02:38 PM
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imo .. is very subjective thing but regarding wat sabrateur said
share -> at least hv sth gambling -> none is this how gambling being categorized? haha |
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Dec 11 2008, 02:40 PM
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also, for my case, i can say that my worst performing shares in my portfolio happened when i done something stupid.
My major losses are caused by rash decision, jumping the boat and I have no one else to blame for buying such stupid shares.. this is lessons learnt and hopefully it wont happen again. No matter how good you practice your black jack, (the only game that I think skill will effect your outcome) you'll still depend on luck. For other games, it's purely luck. This post has been edited by eltaria: Dec 11 2008, 02:41 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 02:48 PM
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looks like some mini rally going on....
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Dec 11 2008, 02:50 PM
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But for those type of gambling, You know exactly the odds of wining/losing/house advantage, nobody can influence.
Stocks on the other hand cannot give you the odds, and can sometime be influence by other factors/people. |
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Dec 11 2008, 03:02 PM
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stocks, you make ur own odds,
Better odds if you a) Have staying power, not forced to sell when T+3 b) Buying in when it's low. The lower you wait, the better your odds is, you only go in when you're comfortable with the odds c) Buying fundamentally sound stocks which will give you 4%+ dividends regardless of how Mr Market values it at any particular time. d) you set your own RULES. If your goal is to beat FD, minimum risk of you losing by buying guinness or carlsberg or other div stocks. can say 95% win rate? unless PAS takes over msia. Feel free to add on.. |
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Dec 11 2008, 03:08 PM
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How many of you read about and practice value investing?
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Dec 11 2008, 03:11 PM
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aii why axreit drop so fast .. just a moment din c it matched at 1.09 aii
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Dec 11 2008, 03:13 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 03:11 PM) aii why axreit drop so fast .. just a moment din c it matched at 1.09 aii Lol, I'm in same boat with u, but I bought 27 Lots only |
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Dec 11 2008, 03:16 PM
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i just bout 20 lots .. coz thinking to avg it down later .. lately shot to many bullets need to take a step back
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Dec 11 2008, 03:29 PM
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very thin buying Q for axreit at this rate, it'll drop more. I plan go in at 1.05
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Dec 11 2008, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 11 2008, 03:08 PM) How many of you read about and practice value investing? Value investing makes sense, but to me completely useless becauseHow the hell do you put an intrinsic value to a particular company? I know the books say there are many methods to do this, but can you really trust any of those methods? 1) NTA All profitable companies trade at more than their NTAs. So to buy stock using this = useless (no 'good' companies trade cheaper than NTA) 2) DCF Bullshit. Who in the world can forecast future income until infinity? I know people will say 'Estimate la'. But can you really trust those estimations? Plantation companies for instance, within 2-3 months their future cashflows 'estimate' can change drastically. You expect to value company using estimation? Go ahead. 3) PE multiple Another lie. Value investment books preach to value companies 'intrinsically' without using external factors. So using anything related to market price e.g. PE ratio is hypocritical. You say value company internally, but use previous 'market price' to 'value' a company. Sheesh. Just my 2 sen. |
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Dec 11 2008, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Dec 11 2008, 03:29 PM) very thin buying Q for axreit at this rate, it'll drop more. I plan go in at 1.05 yup agree it will drop more but thinking to grab some first just incaseAdded on December 11, 2008, 3:55 pmdrop to 1.07 maybe its time for u to go in now at 1.05 crude oil $43 This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 11 2008, 03:55 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 03:57 PM
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anybody fish uchitec @ 0.945????
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Dec 11 2008, 04:11 PM
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nop q at .94 haha cannot get haha how bout u yang yang in the net oledi?
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Dec 11 2008, 04:16 PM
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mo meng, no fish in my net. q 0.945 since 2 leh...already v v v patient.
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Dec 11 2008, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE(yang yang @ Dec 11 2008, 03:57 PM) anybody fish uchitec @ 0.945???? YUP. All just matched about a minute ago. |
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Dec 11 2008, 04:18 PM
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yup...me 2. fish in the nest liao.
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Dec 11 2008, 04:18 PM
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broke 0.94 .. hmm wanna hold fire
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Dec 11 2008, 04:19 PM
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wah...just starting discussing uchitec n u all already buying liao......salute salute
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Dec 11 2008, 04:19 PM
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yang yang u should get it liao
Added on December 11, 2008, 4:20 pm QUOTE(kinwawa @ Dec 11 2008, 04:19 PM) wah...just starting discussing uchitec n u all already buying liao......salute salute gamble on div so kinwawa got q or not .. or still analyzing This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 11 2008, 04:20 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 04:20 PM
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chart is already quite bottom leh...hope some fund can goreng up this stock cos dividen. hope can fly like spsetia.
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Dec 11 2008, 04:23 PM
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Does anyone know if Uchitech selling coffee circuit boards to commercial or household? If selling commercial like Starbucks,... then business next few years will sure drop. But if selling coffee makers for household, sales might increase as people stop buying from starbucks and make their own coffee at home. You know.. that caffeine addiction is hard to get rid of.
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Dec 11 2008, 04:24 PM
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hmm .. why ppl will lesser buying at starbuck .. i do buy from there or coffeebean
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Dec 11 2008, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 04:24 PM) hmm .. why ppl will lesser buying at starbuck .. i do buy from there or coffeebean You don't know Starbucks close alot of cafes in USA?the taste simply dif |
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Dec 11 2008, 04:28 PM
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i v often buy from either coffeebean n starbuck.
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Dec 11 2008, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 11 2008, 04:26 PM) You don't know Starbucks close alot of cafes in USA? aii dunno wo .. act i am coffeebean supporter hahabut i alwaz see many ppl sitting drinking all the time |
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Dec 11 2008, 04:31 PM
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i trade my zelan with uchitech. feel safer with uchitech.
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Dec 11 2008, 04:36 PM
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waiting to get into the boat of resorts at 218 and zelan at 78 again.. but no luck.
Believe tomorrow will drop somemore.. so i'll wait with my 218 and 78 nets hehe... |
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Dec 11 2008, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE(eltaria @ Dec 11 2008, 04:36 PM) waiting to get into the boat of resorts at 218 and zelan at 78 again.. but no luck. yup..tomolo another black friday huh? Believe tomorrow will drop somemore.. so i'll wait with my 218 and 78 nets hehe... |
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Dec 11 2008, 04:41 PM
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strong selling pressure after lunch, don't think it'll go away like that.... hunch + gut feeling hehe...
Uchi, generally doesn't swing much... so yeah, it's safer in a sense, but ur profits also cant get much too |
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Dec 11 2008, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 04:19 PM) yang yang u should get it liao price r stable lately so i'm nt rushing yet.....prob enter next week before christmas Added on December 11, 2008, 4:20 pm gamble on div so kinwawa got q or not .. or still analyzing |
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Dec 11 2008, 04:44 PM
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uchitech .. div is far more higher than axreit
stock price swing not much but the div paid cover ur profit Added on December 11, 2008, 4:45 pmTM post lost again rite but why price no drop much This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 11 2008, 04:45 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 04:46 PM
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div paid then ex div price will drop accordingly. but yeah, it's a better deal than ax at the moment it'll seem.
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Dec 11 2008, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 04:44 PM) uchitech .. div is far more higher than axreit stock price swing not much but the div paid cover ur profit i think majority will say this stock is safe...at least i can have a good night sleep...he he Added on December 11, 2008, 4:47 pmanybody read the zelan thing @ ze moola? This post has been edited by yang yang: Dec 11 2008, 04:47 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 04:48 PM
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yeah its safer but tml hope drop more so i can get it wahahaha
Added on December 11, 2008, 4:49 pmact where u all go to see the div pay out for the past? i went to star online c only haha but where can i see the list of comp which going to pay out div soon? This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 11 2008, 04:49 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 04:48 PM) yeah its safer but tml hope drop more so i can get it wahahaha Added on December 11, 2008, 4:49 pmact where u all go to see the div pay out for the past? i went to star online c only haha but where can i see the list of comp which going to pay out div soon? i m happy for u 2 if u can get it cheaper....Just do it. |
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Dec 11 2008, 04:53 PM
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0.94 now .. hope can get 0.93 tml
na u c .. hope = betting = gamble haha |
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Dec 11 2008, 04:56 PM
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Walau! Maybank close 5.40...
Added on December 11, 2008, 5:00 pm QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 04:53 PM) 0.94 now .. hope can get 0.93 tml na u c .. hope = betting = gamble haha  sure boh 0.94?This post has been edited by yang yang: Dec 11 2008, 05:00 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 05:05 PM
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Added on December 11, 2008, 5:18 pmanyone noe wat is HINGYAP doing This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 11 2008, 05:18 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 05:21 PM
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busy the whole day. walao leh ci is jump is expected, the trend is coming.
i miss the sime delicious food lioa. All is expected to happen, no excited. The market in the coming weeks will be zig-zag, but upward more than downward. stock with back by ci will be out perform due to election mood, cny mood, window dressing mood. i think the big player is trying to run from the knm, it will not be always in the top ten list in the next week. good luck and be aware!  |
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Dec 11 2008, 05:43 PM
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We always realize we miss the food when the result come out.
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Dec 11 2008, 05:51 PM
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Disposed my PA at 0.515. Got it yesterday at 0.475.
Trend still moving upward, but need to prepare for possible T3/T4 deliveries tmrw. Already up more than 50% last 3 days Maybe can go in again when the price dips This post has been edited by dsugums: Dec 11 2008, 05:53 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE(speedguy10 @ Dec 11 2008, 06:43 PM) We always realize we miss the food when the result come out. yes, u are right for new hand, but not for me. my ROI is break even today. any upward in ci is my earning now. too many bad news or good news also will make someone losing the clear picture of the market. this patent will repeat and repeat. |
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Dec 11 2008, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE(yang yang @ Dec 11 2008, 04:46 PM) i think majority will say this stock is safe...at least i can have a good night sleep...he he Added on December 11, 2008, 4:47 pmanybody read the zelan thing @ ze moola? Btw, I did the opposite - bought more Zelan shares to average down instead. |
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Dec 11 2008, 06:08 PM
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beware market has been prep for a Dec 31 sell off..
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Dec 11 2008, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE(mych @ Dec 11 2008, 06:08 PM) beware market has been prep for a Dec 31 sell off.. wat does this mean?huge sell out / decline coming soon? i think end of yr + cny will hv some rally |
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Dec 11 2008, 08:27 PM
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This article is interesting.
http://www.theedgedaily.com/cms/content.js...ccba00-f553e83d No one knows where the bottom is Or are we climbing our way slowly out of the bottom ? I think many forumers would disagree. But many are hoping for CNY mini rally , right ? about the same time Mr. Obama takes over from Bush. Judge your own. This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Dec 11 2008, 08:47 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 11 2008, 09:27 PM) This article is interesting. Lol i don expect to have any rally ..now is not bull market... The market might get worse during CNYhttp://www.theedgedaily.com/cms/content.js...ccba00-f553e83d No one knows where the bottom is Or are we climbing our way slowly out of the bottom ? I think many forumers would disagree. But many are hoping for CNY mini rally , right ? about the same time Mr. Obama takes over from Bush. Judge your own. Added on December 11, 2008, 9:03 pm QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 11 2008, 06:21 PM) busy the whole day. walao leh ci is jump is expected, the trend is coming. Bear in mind now is bear market not bull market ... cannot compare with during bull market i think...Don mean that the market will go down but don be too optimistic only ...i miss the sime delicious food lioa. All is expected to happen, no excited. The market in the coming weeks will be zig-zag, but upward more than downward. stock with back by ci will be out perform due to election mood, cny mood, window dressing mood. i think the big player is trying to run from the knm, it will not be always in the top ten list in the next week. good luck and be aware! This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 11 2008, 09:03 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 09:05 PM
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a mini bull hanging around with the bears~
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Dec 11 2008, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 11 2008, 09:00 PM) Lol i don expect to have any rally ..now is not bull market... The market might get worse during CNY YTL group is preparing themselves for CNY mini rally Added on December 11, 2008, 9:03 pm Bear in mind now is bear market not bull market ... cannot compare with during bull market i think...Don mean that the market will go down but don be too optimistic only ... |
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Dec 11 2008, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 11 2008, 09:00 PM) Lol i don expect to have any rally ..now is not bull market... The market might get worse during CNY dont be so pessimistic also hahaAdded on December 11, 2008, 9:03 pm Bear in mind now is bear market not bull market ... cannot compare with during bull market i think...Don mean that the market will go down but don be too optimistic only ... |
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Dec 11 2008, 09:15 PM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 11 2008, 10:05 PM) YTL group is preparing themselves for CNY mini rally Yup got notice that lol The mother share shoot above RM 7.00 and the son YTL POWER also got some power today |
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Dec 11 2008, 09:15 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 09:11 PM) dont be so pessimistic also haha He is pessimistic, but with a lot of hope Greed when people fear , right This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Dec 11 2008, 09:16 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 10:11 PM) dont be so pessimistic also haha Lol short term up or down does make much differnt for me as the counter i play with basically move like tortoise Just to warn ppl don get too excited during this period especially for those who want to contra.... Maybe have to loose all their ang pao later |
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Dec 11 2008, 09:21 PM
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I think when everyone is optimistic...then the bull should be charging ahead.. hehe
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Dec 11 2008, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Dec 11 2008, 09:21 PM) I think when everyone is optimistic...then the bull should be charging ahead.. hehe Just hope we dont end up with the bull-shiit instead |
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Dec 11 2008, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 11 2008, 09:17 PM) Lol short term up or down does make much differnt for me as the counter i play with basically move like tortoise ya .. current state market better hv ur money prepare first if not T3 dunno how .. cannot sleep also Just to warn ppl don get too excited during this period especially for those who want to contra.... Maybe have to loose all their ang pao later ang pow .. no use la very less to cover haha |
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Dec 11 2008, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Dec 11 2008, 09:21 PM) I think when everyone is optimistic...then the bull should be charging ahead.. hehe Dow is to certain extent programed to move up.It is how you spread the news of hope through medias , that overcomes the fear. |
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Dec 11 2008, 09:32 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 09:24 PM) ya .. current state market better hv ur money prepare first if not T3 dunno how .. cannot sleep also If there is an index to measure the rate of Ang Pow giving...next year will most likely hit lowest in decade... ang pow .. no use la very less to cover haha |
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Dec 11 2008, 09:46 PM
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uchitech .. any of u did any research on this counter?
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Dec 11 2008, 09:49 PM
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Unemployment claim wider than forecast, and all other economy data from US are bad. Look like DJIA probably going to end in red unless there is good news from the automaker bailout plan.
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Dec 11 2008, 09:53 PM
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doesnt seems good to me
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Dec 11 2008, 10:11 PM
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From what I've read, a mini bull is coming..... around Jan-March 09.... after that, predicted to drop kaw kaw to new lows.....
At that time, make sure have lots of bullets to shoot! |
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Dec 11 2008, 10:21 PM
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so shoot ur bullet now .. offload ur bullet at feb .. than sit there watch market
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Dec 11 2008, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 10:21 PM) so shoot ur bullet now .. offload ur bullet at feb .. than sit there watch market That's what I'm planning to do...... Don't forget to go for the good stocks.... This post has been edited by kmarc: Dec 11 2008, 10:22 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 10:25 PM
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yup better dont go for goreng stock
hope my knm will up back than can offload .. seem miracle now really hope market recover from now |
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Dec 11 2008, 10:30 PM
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I'm following the advices from here : http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html
If it is true, better offload everything after Q1..... Also this one : http://www.cnbc.com/id/28172680 And don't forget the prediction that Dow might just have a mini bull run from mid of this month... would be interesting to see this prediction come true.... This post has been edited by kmarc: Dec 11 2008, 10:34 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 10:34 PM
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DJIA start with -100+
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Dec 11 2008, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 11 2008, 11:30 PM) I'm following the advices from here : http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html Hello guy, soalan bocor already lah. where got market will expose such the clue for u to earn the $$$ one. If it is true, better offload everything after Q1..... Also this one : http://www.cnbc.com/id/28172680 And don't forget the prediction that Dow might just have a mini bull run from mid of this month... would be interesting to see this prediction come true.... Anyway, the rally is quit certain, but will not follow the time table as expected. Be well prepare. my advise is dun do daily trading, monthly trading is still ok. this will train ur patient and digest more good or bad news b4 enter or exit in/from the market. This post has been edited by sampoo: Dec 11 2008, 10:58 PM |
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Dec 11 2008, 11:00 PM
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those soalan will also make the market better somehow
anywhere market also depends on news if there is good news around market will be good and vice versa Added on December 12, 2008, 1:10 amTop Senate Republican opposes $14B auto bailout http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081211/congress_autos.html This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 12 2008, 01:10 AM |
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Dec 12 2008, 05:18 AM
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DJIA closed 200 points lower:
8,565.09 -196.33 -2.24% Must be caused by the auto bailout rejected motion. This post has been edited by David83: Dec 12 2008, 05:19 AM |
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Dec 12 2008, 06:27 AM
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 11 2008, 10:22 PM) That's what I'm planning to do...... Which good stocks you think are good to buy ? Don't forget to go for the good stocks.... |
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Dec 12 2008, 06:39 AM
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QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 11 2008, 10:55 PM) Hello guy, soalan bocor already lah. where got market will expose such the clue for u to earn the $$$ one. Those are just predictions la..... we are all aware that nobody knows the future of stock market trends..... Anyway, the rally is quit certain, but will not follow the time table as expected. Be well prepare. my advise is dun do daily trading, monthly trading is still ok. this will train ur patient and digest more good or bad news b4 enter or exit in/from the market. However, I think it is quite possible that KLSE will trend lower after the rally. You don't want to be caught IF KLSE crashes to new lows again.... QUOTE(kb2005 @ Dec 12 2008, 06:27 AM) Which good stocks you think are good to buy ? I haven't decided which ones to go for but these are the quotes from the links I posted:"Its top defensive stock picks are Resorts World, PLUS Expressways, Carlsberg, Asia File, DiGi, TM, JT International, Public Bank, Berjaya Sports and KFC." "Its top value stock picks are LCL Corp, KNM, Malaysia Airports, Kian Joo, QSR, Boustead Holdings, Gamuda, Tanjong, AirAsia and QL Resources." In addition, I think SIME is not that bad.... I bought some at RM5.00, now shot up to RM5.50! This post has been edited by kmarc: Dec 12 2008, 07:10 AM |
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Dec 12 2008, 07:49 AM
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 12 2008, 06:39 AM) Those are just predictions la..... we are all aware that nobody knows the future of stock market trends..... In my opinion, Resorts is not a defensice stock, counter down and nearly lost 40% from its peak this year and its lowest was 2.14 and seems like no decent dividend is paid out all the while. And it has suffer from the global recession as the visitors arrival may decrease in future However, I think it is quite possible that KLSE will trend lower after the rally. You don't want to be caught IF KLSE crashes to new lows again.... I haven't decided which ones to go for but these are the quotes from the links I posted: "Its top defensive stock picks are Resorts World, PLUS Expressways, Carlsberg, Asia File, DiGi, TM, JT International, Public Bank, Berjaya Sports and KFC." "Its top value stock picks are LCL Corp, KNM, Malaysia Airports, Kian Joo, QSR, Boustead Holdings, Gamuda, Tanjong, AirAsia and QL Resources." In addition, I think SIME is not that bad.... I bought some at RM5.00, now shot up to RM5.50! As for good value stock, is Air Asia in this category, as it is a cyclic stock where always triggered down by the fuel hike factor. |
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Dec 12 2008, 08:58 AM
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SAPCRES is coming today !!
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Dec 12 2008, 09:23 AM
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today is another good day to accumulate stock b4 the market rally. Walao leh! Remember, only when someone is crying, the big player will enter in as hero. This patent is repeat again and again over the pass few years.
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Dec 12 2008, 09:33 AM
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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Dec 12 2008, 07:49 AM) In my opinion, Resorts is not a defensice stock, counter down and nearly lost 40% from its peak this year and its lowest was 2.14 and seems like no decent dividend is paid out all the while. And it has suffer from the global recession as the visitors arrival may decrease in future I don't dare touch AirAsia.... huge debt + no dividends.... As for good value stock, is Air Asia in this category, as it is a cyclic stock where always triggered down by the fuel hike factor. |
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Dec 12 2008, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 12 2008, 09:33 AM) I don't dare touch AirAsia.... huge debt + no dividends.... haha + recently there was a news on taking AirAsia private... but at last no action... so another up to 1.00 plus plus and down below 1.00 |
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Dec 12 2008, 09:51 AM
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Sapcres has just announced it's nine months net profit surge 96% to 180mil+. And it will pay rm0.02 dividend on early next year, will these good news going to push the price up ?
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Dec 12 2008, 09:56 AM
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SAPCRES-WA is a very exicitng warrant to gamble with, IF you enter at the right time.
but don't forget, its maturity left another 2 months only. |
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Dec 12 2008, 09:57 AM
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Realistically, one should expect this market won't go up or down too far. It can be be range bound for months even up to year. Up too much, go down, donw too much, up back again.
Don't expect can make a lot in this market, it is a time frame that more on hold and wait while still can enjoy some dividend payout which is better than FD. |
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Dec 12 2008, 10:14 AM
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the market will remain volatile with continuous downtrend. Technically, 5 wave downtrend has yet to end. Fundamentally, global economy has worsen. Decoupling never really happened and it is history now.
Look at the bright side, opportunity exist when market bottoms out. p/s: you are always welcome to visit my blog for daily market snapshot with my comments and analysis on current market trend. |
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Dec 12 2008, 10:27 AM
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seem another boring day wastes my leave
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Dec 12 2008, 10:40 AM
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the market always trap and retrap in narrow range. this mean we all are at the save side, almost at equal chances with big players, they are directionless. sapu kaw-kaw. Someone FEAR, I must brave.
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Dec 12 2008, 10:46 AM
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yeah than shampoo go sapu la
axreit at 1.03 just now .. good bargain |
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Dec 12 2008, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 12 2008, 11:46 AM) yeah than shampoo go sapu la i dun trust the trust sector. axreit at 1.03 just now .. good bargain being patient 4 almost few weeks, my time is come. |
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Dec 12 2008, 10:54 AM
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wanna ask .. on my m2u screen one of my stock is in yellow color wat does that mean?
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Dec 12 2008, 10:57 AM
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volume is extremely thin today? doesn't move much, takes 15 minutes ++ for a transaction to be matched, and even then, at low low lots...
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Dec 12 2008, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 12 2008, 11:54 AM) wanna ask .. on my m2u screen one of my stock is in yellow color wat does that mean? that is second board counter lah my friend. This post has been edited by sampoo: Dec 12 2008, 11:05 AM |
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Dec 12 2008, 11:10 AM
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oo paiseh .. dunno that
coz i watching one of the stock but no transaction at all haha |
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Dec 12 2008, 11:12 AM
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yes, and i thought i was having connection problem
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Dec 12 2008, 11:31 AM
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Made RM550 from KURASIA within 15 minutes today.
This post has been edited by Freelancer: Dec 12 2008, 11:32 AM |
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Dec 12 2008, 11:51 AM
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ru betting on kuasia? haha
Added on December 12, 2008, 11:59 amPA retreat Added on December 12, 2008, 12:00 pmwhy suddenly all red This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 12 2008, 12:00 PM |
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Dec 12 2008, 12:02 PM
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walao leh, crying liao.
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Dec 12 2008, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE(Freelancer @ Dec 12 2008, 11:31 AM) Made RM550 from KURASIA within 15 minutes today. Congratulations |
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Dec 12 2008, 12:15 PM
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waiting uchitec at 0.94
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Dec 12 2008, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 12 2008, 12:15 PM) waiting uchitec at 0.94 this morning didn't get meh... |
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Dec 12 2008, 12:30 PM
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cannot lea
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Dec 12 2008, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 12 2008, 11:51 AM) ru betting on kuasia? haha the bail out failAdded on December 12, 2008, 11:59 amPA retreat Added on December 12, 2008, 12:00 pmwhy suddenly all red |
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Dec 12 2008, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE(feralee @ Dec 12 2008, 12:36 PM) the bail out fail Why failed? |
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Dec 12 2008, 12:38 PM
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the news already known yest wo hehe just suddenly adr 11 all turn red haha
btw dont think will fail de .. sure later will approve if fail more disaster coming This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 12 2008, 12:38 PM |
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Dec 12 2008, 01:16 PM
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1,217 posts Joined: Aug 2005 From: d' Kay El
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QUOTE(yang yang @ Dec 12 2008, 12:04 PM) Congratulations Thanks. Started with 10000 units bought at 0.270. Then 2 minutes later bought another 10000 units at 0.285. After 5 minutes, sold 10000 units at 0.295. Another 5 minutes sold the remainder 10000 units at 0.315. The counter was moving fast and suddenly stagnant with last price transacted at 0.290. |
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Dec 12 2008, 01:52 PM
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The auto-bailout fail to be compromised.
But it can have second round talk, remember the 700 billion TARP, also need 2 time to pass? Also, Secretary Treasure can use the 700 billions to bail out auto as well. The 700 billion is a blank cheque after all. |
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Dec 12 2008, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE(Freelancer @ Dec 12 2008, 01:16 PM) Thanks. do u think this stock will continue surge ??? Started with 10000 units bought at 0.270. Then 2 minutes later bought another 10000 units at 0.285. After 5 minutes, sold 10000 units at 0.295. Another 5 minutes sold the remainder 10000 units at 0.315. The counter was moving fast and suddenly stagnant with last price transacted at 0.290. this two up almost 10cents ored |
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Dec 12 2008, 02:16 PM
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is a gamble haha
Added on December 12, 2008, 2:34 pmthere goes my last bullet into uchitec haha This post has been edited by mo_meng: Dec 12 2008, 02:34 PM |
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Dec 12 2008, 02:45 PM
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todie liao this time.
i think tsunmi is on the way. see how much can sapu in the next week. enuf 4 today. waiting more bad news out 1st. This post has been edited by sampoo: Dec 12 2008, 02:50 PM |
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Dec 12 2008, 02:55 PM
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wat report are coming out next week?
imo the bailout sure work out de .. if not really big tsunami coming up and dont think US can coop it |
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Dec 12 2008, 02:58 PM
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swinging back into resort @ 2.17
Q zelan at 0.77 i can see it's 0.775 soon~~ will i get at 0.77? |
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Dec 12 2008, 02:58 PM
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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 12 2008, 03:55 PM) wat report are coming out next week? i hear radia announcement GM may fail bankrupt, bcos some issue cannot settle. dj future is now -290. imo the bailout sure work out de .. if not really big tsunami coming up and dont think US can coop it |
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