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darkknight81
post Dec 6 2008, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 6 2008, 10:22 AM)
V19, a new phase for stock market.
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REPORTING biggrin.gif
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post Dec 9 2008, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 9 2008, 04:10 PM)
Today KNM trade is a bit abnormal. Volume is enormous. sweat.gif
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It has been one of the favourite stocks from all the analysts and fund managers sweat.gif
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post Dec 10 2008, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 10 2008, 09:47 PM)
I hope it's gonna rally until Chinese New Year!
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Don think so. Bear in mind now is recession period ok..As long as economy don have any sign of recovery basically the stock market will not keep on rising....

A common mistake speculator made is they set themselves a target time to buy and sell....

Instead a proper way of trading or investing is set a target price to buy and sell not the time

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post Dec 11 2008, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 11 2008, 09:27 PM)
This article is interesting.

http://www.theedgedaily.com/cms/content.js...ccba00-f553e83d

No one knows where the bottom is biggrin.gif

Or are we climbing our way slowly out of the bottom ?  I think many forumers would disagree. yawn.gif

But many are hoping for CNY mini rally , right ? about the same time Mr. Obama takes over from Bush.

Judge your own.
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Lol i don expect to have any rally ..now is not bull market... The market might get worse during CNY


Added on December 11, 2008, 9:03 pm
QUOTE(sampoo @ Dec 11 2008, 06:21 PM)
busy the whole day. walao leh ci is jump is expected, the trend is coming.

i miss the sime delicious food lioa.  cry.gif

All is expected to happen, no excited.  laugh.gif

The market in the coming weeks will be zig-zag, but upward more than downward. stock with back by ci will be out perform due to election mood, cny mood, window dressing mood.  hmm.gif

i think the big player is trying to run from the knm, it will not be always in the top ten list in the next week. good luck and be aware!  ohmy.gif
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Bear in mind now is bear market not bull market ... cannot compare with during bull market i think...Don mean that the market will go down but don be too optimistic only ...

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post Dec 11 2008, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 11 2008, 10:05 PM)
YTL group is preparing themselves for CNY mini rally biggrin.gif
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Yup got notice that lol laugh.gif
The mother share shoot above RM 7.00 and the son YTL POWER also got some power today sweat.gif
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post Dec 11 2008, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 11 2008, 10:11 PM)
dont be so pessimistic also haha
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Lol short term up or down does make much differnt for me as the counter i play with basically move like tortoise sweat.gif Just to warn ppl don get too excited during this period especially for those who want to contra.... Maybe have to loose all their ang pao later laugh.gif
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post Dec 13 2008, 09:12 PM

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Does anyone know what happened to titan chemicals? Have been 0.75 sen only. So long din monitor this counter. The dividend and business is quite good i think.
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post Dec 13 2008, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 13 2008, 10:48 PM)
As reported in the recent news, resin business is being hit quite hard, even Petronas resin factory need to shut down as stockpile is simply too high, can shut down for weeks without producing still have enough stock to sell.

Good side is oil price is dropping singificantly which make their cost pressure being removed.

Their business is volatile in nature, but at 0.75, it is more than 60-70% discount on its NTA which stand at 2.xx. Dividend history is 6 cents annually, but don't know can sustain or not in the near future.

Don't mean good or bad, judge your own, buy at your own risk.
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Thanks Cherroy. notworthy.gif Like what you said their business might get hard hit due to higher inventory / stock pile. One more think is their debt to equity is about 0.5.
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post Dec 14 2008, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 14 2008, 11:30 AM)
At 0.5 is still a manageable ratio.

It could be a undervalued stock, if earning wise still showing a positive sign.

Its business is largely affected by oil price/natural gas, as those are the main raw ingredient in making their product (polymer, polymer resin)
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2005


EPS 20.6

DPS 3

2006

EPS 24.6

DPS 3

2007

EPS 21.3

DPS 7.5

2008

DPS 6 SEN so far

http://biz.thestar.com.my/marketwatch/bonu...vidends.asp?c=T

Most of its dividend is tax exempted wink.gif

May be can open a thread for this counter too thumbup.gif


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post Dec 15 2008, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 15 2008, 12:36 AM)
I'm too noob to study a company and it's business model as I'm not in the financial field.... I'm sure there are a lot of forumers here who are noobs too....  wink.gif

I actually depend a lot on news/blog/reports/review of a company/counter..... Trying to gather as much info as I can to make an educated decision......

Since starting trading last month, I frequently buy "The Edge Malaysia" magazine, watch CNN, bloomberg, CNBC and bookmark any and every important website I could find..... even with all these, it is still difficult to decide which counters to go for.....  rclxub.gif

VADS BERHAD? Cool, will do some research on this counter....  thumbup.gif
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VADS will be privatised at RM 7.50....

Before you invest.... decide on,

1. what sector you want to invest into?

2. Then compare the P/E, DE, DY, ASSET AND LIABILITIES between the same sector and so on.....

3. Look at the management.....


You got to decide yourself... Not by listening to any hot tips on which counter may go up...What happened if the counter go down instead which normally it does after you get the hot tips....

The edge you can read by not following the hot tips. It is for you to know what is really happening on certain company and economy conditions not to give you any hot tips....

I use to play with hot tips when i start play stock but you will be not so lucky all the times by following hot tips wink.gif

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post Dec 15 2008, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Dec 15 2008, 06:13 PM)
Now i got :-

ATRIUM
AMFIRST
AXREIT
HEKTAR
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Four reits in one day ? sweat.gif
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post Dec 15 2008, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Dec 15 2008, 06:18 PM)
quite a "big" Q for AXREIT @ 1.00..... i guess Cherroy must be 1 of them  brows.gif
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Wait for me in these two days time. I will be one of the reits group soon tongue.gif
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post Dec 15 2008, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 15 2008, 06:20 PM)
ru think the housing will boom or aiming for long term
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Reits have nothing to do with housing
Reits is not for trading.

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post Dec 15 2008, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Dec 15 2008, 06:35 PM)
if nothing goes wrong for AXREIT:-

Interest cost for share margin financing 4.75% per annum
Distribution for AXREIT - nett 13%

Profit of 8.25% + potential capital appreciation!!!
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You loan for investing in Axreit? hmm.gif


Added on December 15, 2008, 9:49 pm
QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 15 2008, 06:20 PM)
u till waiting .. heard u said it long ago wo tongue.gif


Added on December 15, 2008, 5:21 pm
sorry real estate
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Waiting for my bonus this week and also my ytl power dividend tongue.gif

thats the good thing of buying dividend stock which you can use the dividend to accumulate more

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post Dec 17 2008, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 17 2008, 08:19 PM)
that's a true thing. how many of us here can practise this, buy and sleep with the share for the next 10 years.

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Its not too late for us to buy it this year or next year and hold it for another 20 years. By the time we are almost 40 something tongue.gif
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post Dec 17 2008, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 17 2008, 08:54 PM)
lol, 10 years should be good enough tongue.gif

my dad bought 10 lot of ORIENT @ 5.XX for his grandchild.
recently he bought another 10 lot during her 2 year old birthday (why last time i dun have one!!!)

he told me, hopefully this 20 lot of ORIENT is enough to be used for her tertiary education when she reaches 20 yo.

i'm proud of my dad, and he's my forever mentor in stock market biggrin.gif
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Wow good move man better than any craps on "education fund " ....

You mean if i got children next time i can buy for them. Can open account for baby ? rclxub.gif
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post Dec 17 2008, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 17 2008, 09:24 PM)
You are leaking your age already.  tongue.gif  biggrin.gif

Anyway back to topic
Situation now especially in US stocks and some here might be very very similar to what you have posted.

Now you see people have no confidence to buy stock at current moment, it was the same during 1998.

It is easy to look back what was happening and see the stupidness of people don't buy at that time. But currently, we might be already in this same situation, but people don't dare to buy.

You see clearly from the outside and something has passed. But when you are actually in the same situation at current time, you don't realise it at all that you are already in. Just like currently it might be a bottom or bottoming process, (may be or may be not) but do you hear people say now it is the bottom? No. You only hear people say it was a bottom when market going up back.

Simplified: You never hear it is the bottom, you only hear it was the bottom!

It is some sort like a fish living in the water, don't know there is water around. Get what I mean.
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nod.gif thats i love dividend more and more icon_rolleyes.gif you not really scare of when is the bottom actually. as long as you feel that the price is alright and can give you dividend of around 5 - 10% then just go ahead. If drop some more use your dividend to accumulate some more
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post Dec 18 2008, 06:40 PM

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What happened to resorts? ohmy.gif almost RM 2.00 sweat.gif
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post Dec 18 2008, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(speedguy10 @ Dec 18 2008, 08:17 PM)
Are you referring to The Star tongue.gif
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Yup. Wrong pricing? sweat.gif


Added on December 18, 2008, 7:33 pm
QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 18 2008, 08:18 PM)
maybe he is talking about YTL POWER  RM 2 coming soon hmm.gif
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No lar sweat.gif

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post Dec 21 2008, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 21 2008, 10:42 PM)
Wow! That's a lot.... hmm.... maybe I better grab some more!!!  laugh.gif

You're not planning to average down further?  hmm.gif
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Resorts is my first love biggrin.gif

Earn some from this counter by short term trading... Quite good for trading...
Fundamentally wise jsut that dividend is too low.... due to maybe the management want to use the cash for share buy back or business expansion.

I beliv it may drops below RM 2.00 next year as i beliv next year will have depression.... you can see it from the massive drops of oil price.....Be patient wink.gif

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