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post Nov 1 2008, 08:13 AM, updated 17y ago

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While i was surfing the net to get some info on which brands to choose for my car ICE since i am still a noob. I realised that there are too many different brands to choose from and dont know how each brand would deliver. I m sure many of us here face this prob. I know some say that u hv to test n c which 1 u like or suits u best. I agree with this statement as well. But dont u think it will be almost impossible to actually test each brand.

So, i found a list of brands that fall under 4 different categories. How far its true, i really dont know. Plus, i belif the people from this forum are not from Malaysia. So, their opinions might be different than ours since the products they get there could be different that what er get here. Correct me if i m wrong. So, i hope all of us here could use this as a guideline only. We would also love to hear your experiences using certain brands. Some brands mentioned here may not be available here. N some brands may have been missed out. I'll keep updating the list based on your experiences. So, tell me which category does the brand fall in.

Ok. Before i start, let me remind u that this is not based on my own research. I found it on the net.

So, the 4 categories are:

Horrible brands - avoid these brands at all cost, they are a total waste of money.

Entry level brands - good for the first time car audio enthusiasts, you get a great sound for a cheap price.

High quality brands - these are more expensive than entry level, but not ridiculously expensive, since you get execellent sound that will be louder/cleaner than entry level brands.

Competition brands - these brands are the mother of all brands, prices are very expensive but if you can afford it, these are the brands that win sound competitions at car shows.


HU = Head Units
A = Amps
SW = Subs
Sp = Mids/Highs
M = Multimedia
All = Entire Line


Stay Away

American Pro (All)
Audiobank (All)
Blackmore Mobile Electronics (All)
Blitz (All)
DHD (All)
Diesel Audio (All)
Kenford (All)
Kole Audio (All)
Legacy (All)
Majestic (All)
Performance Teknique (All)
Phase Linear (All)
Pyle (All)
Pyramid (All)
Rockwood (All)
Sherwood (All)
SPL (all)
Solid Audio (All)
Sound Storm (All)
Street Edge (All)
Ultra Linear (All)
XFile Audio (All)


Entry Level

Alphasonik (All)
Alto Mobile USA (All)
Alumapro (All)
Ample Audio (All)
Audiobahn (All)
Audiopipe (All)
Audiovox (All)
Autotek "SS Series" (All)
Bazooka (All)
Blaupunkt (All)
Boss (All)
Bostwick (All)
Cadence ("All" tough decision just shy of high quality)
Cerwin Vega ("All" except Strokers which go in Comp')
Clarion (A, SW, Sp)
Clif Designs (All)
Concept (All)
Coustic (All)
Crossfire "P Series" (SW)
Crunch (All)
Cutting Edge Audio (All)
DB Drive (All)
Diablo Audio (All)
Digital Audio (All)
Dual (All)
Dub Mag Audio (All)
Elevation Audio ("All" except EX Series (SW) which go in Comp)
Emerson (All)
Harrison Labs (All)
Hifonics "Zues Series and lower" (All)
Hollywood Sound Intl. Corp (All)
Infinity (All)
Interfire (All)
JBL ("All" except ??? Series which go in Comp')
Jensen (All)
JVC (All)
Kenwood ("All" except Excelon series which go in HQ)
Kicker "Comp/Comp VR" (SW) "RS Series and under" (Sp)
Kove Audio (All)
Lanzar ("All' except Opti Drive series which go in HQ)
Lightning Audio (All)
MA Audio ("All" except larger/upper model HK Series amps which go in HQ)
Matrxx Audio (All)
MB Quart (SW)
Memphis "PR Series" (All)
MTX ("All" except 9500 Series (SW) which go in HQ)
Niche Audio (All)
Phoenix Gold (SW)
Pioneer (SW,Sp,A)
Planet Audio (All)
Polk Audio (All)
Power Acoustik (All)
Powerbase (All)
Profile (All)
Rockford Fosgate ("All" except Power Series which go in HQ)
Sanyo (All)
Scosche (All)
Sony (All)
SoundStream (All)
Swiss Audio (All)
US Acoustics (All)
Visonik (All)
Xsite (All)


High Quality

A/D/S/ (All)
Adire Audio (All)
Alpine (All)
American Bass (All)
Ascendant Audio (All)
AudioControl (All)
Audison (All)
Avionixx (All)
Boston Acoustics (All)
Brax (All)
CDT Audio (All)
Clarion (HU, M)
Critical Mass (All)
Crossfire "W Series" (SW) "VR Series" (A)
Crystal (All)
Diamond Audio (All)
Directed (All)
DLS (All)
Dynaudio (All)
Earthquake (All)
Elemental Designs (All)
Eclipse (All)
Focal (All)
Fusion (All)
Genesis (All)
Helix (All)
Hifonics "Brutus Series" (All)
Image Dynamics (All)
Incriminator Audio (All)
JL Audio ("All" except lower W series (SW) which go in Entry)
Kenwood "Excelon series" (All)
Kicker "KX/SX Series" (A) "L5/L7" (SW) "SS Series" (Sp)
Lanzar "Opti Drive" (A)
MA Audio "HK2000/HK4000" (A)
Massive Audio (All)
MB Quart (Sp)
McIntosh (All)
Memphis (MC Series) (All)
Milbert (All)
Morel (All)
MTX "9500 Series" (SW)
Nakamichi (All)
Orion (A,SW,Sp)
OZ Audio (All)
PHD Audiophile Sound System (All)
Phase Evolution (All)
Phoenix Gold (A)
Pioneer (HU,M)
Powerbass USA (All)
Precision Power (All)
QAS (All)
RE Audio ("All" except MT Series (SW) which go in Comp)
Rockford Fosgate "Power Series" (SW,A)
Seas Lotus (All)
Sinfoni (All)
Treo Engineering (All)
TRU Technology (All)
Tube Driver Blue (All)
US Amps (All)
Xtant (All)
Zapco (All)

Competition

Alpine F1 (All)
Atomic (SW,A)
Autotek "MM Series" (All)
Cerwin Vega "Stroker" (SW)
Digital Designs (All)
Elevation Audio EX Series (SW)
Hifonics "XX Series" (All)
JBL "JBL/Crown Series" (A) "G TI Series" (SW)
Kicker "Solo X" (SW)
MMats Professional Audio (All)
MTX RFL (SW)
Pioneer TS-W5000SPL (SW)
Rainbow (All)
RE Audio "MT Series" (SW)
Team RF (SW)

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post Nov 1 2008, 08:40 AM

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not bad for noobs... thumbs up. for ur info, most of the forumers here r from M'sia. smile.gif
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post Nov 1 2008, 08:48 AM

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u agree with this list?
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post Nov 1 2008, 08:56 AM

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I can agree with this info.

Is taken somewhere foreign country forum.

Seen this post from zth forum few weeks back.
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post Nov 1 2008, 08:56 AM

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yup, more or less.


Added on November 1, 2008, 8:58 ammay i add 1 more to competition list, Pioneer ODR series.

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post Nov 1 2008, 08:59 AM

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Hopefully this will give you a general insight to the brands (picked up from some website):

Amps:

Audiophile

McIntosh
Arc Audio SE
TRU
Audison VRx,
Brax
Milbert
Butler
Zapco C2K
Genesis Series 3
Sinfoni
Phass
Linear Power

Audiophile but a step down from the above
Genesis Profile Series
U.S. Amps Tube amps
Audison LRx
PPI Art amps
DLS A series
U.S. Amps(older)
Soundstream Reference, Class A
Helix
Xetec
Zapco Reference
Denon
Adcom
Diamond D7 and D9
Esoteric
Arc Audio CXL, XXK
Phoenix Gold Ti, Also Older MS and Limited Production amps(Anniversary Editions, etc)
ADS
MB Quart QAA4250, QAA2500, and QAA1000


Quality

JL Slash amps
PPI Powerclass (Pre DEI)
Elemental Designs (good warranty, underrated power too)
Diamond D5 and D3 (very cheap right now on ebay, good amps, esp. D5's, very flexible crossovers if you need onboard crossovers)
Arc Audio Kar
Phoenix Gold Tantrum
Memphis-Very compact
Alpine
Pioneer PRS (older line)
Orion-Pre DEI
XTant
MB Quart amps
Rockford Fosgate
Avionixx
MTX
Older Mobile ES Sony
Exile Audio, new company founded by former Phoenix Gold employees.
Xetec Xircuit and Vector Series amps

Value
MTX
Kicker
DEI
Clarion
Pioneer Amplifiers
Coustic
Crossfire
Infinity, and JBL amps (pretty mch same thing)
Hifonics


Poor
Audiobahn
Dual
Jensen
Boss
Volfenhag
American HiFi
Rockwood
Legacy
Kole
Pyramid
MA Audio
Kingwood
Newer Sony
Pyle
XPlore
Lanzar(Except Opti Drive amps. Those are pretty good actually)
Audiofonics
Rampage
Audiovox
New Soundstream
Phoenix Digital
Formula
Koiker
Nitro
Power Acoustik
Lightning Audio
Niche
Verge
Crunch

picked from ZTH forum.


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post Nov 1 2008, 09:10 AM

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think those list r written by Americans...
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post Nov 1 2008, 09:10 AM

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thanx for the update ckmoy. the list from zth is more or less the same. so, its good. thanx alot.


Added on November 1, 2008, 9:13 am
QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Nov 1 2008, 09:10 AM)
think those list r written by Americans...
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yes i think so.

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post Nov 1 2008, 10:24 AM

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its better to categorize according to HU, speakers and amplifiers. Some car audio makers are better in HU, some better in speakers.
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bafukie, y not u tell us. thats wat this thread is all bout. i like ur suggestion but do not hv the knowledge to do anything bout it. thats y i m calling all sifus to join in n share.
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i will do the HU part... haha. besides the normal cd players u see dat can play cd, mp3 and stuffs, there r some other types too. Besides that, HU can be categorized into different price group to compare the 'ability' of each HU in that particular group. But i wun be talking about price groups here...
*Correct me if i'm wrong*

1. Processor based HU (with built in processor on board or external processor), mostly mid end products... Gives u more flexibility for sound tuning compared to ordinary cd players.
some examples of the mainstream products,
-Alpine 9887, 9855, 7889, first 2 can pair with external processor like PXA-H701
-Pioneer P80RS
-Pioneer DEX-P9R + DEQ -P9RS(external processor)
-Eclipse 7100, 3100
and so on...

2. Pure Deck, meaning it's almost functionless except for some hi end dedicated signal processors, can't read MP3 and stuffs, no amp, not much extra bonuses, the main job is just to read the CD and give out uncompromised clean and clear signal to amp or proccessor. Most Hi End car HU r of this type.
some examples...
-McIntosh MX406
-Denon DCT-1
-Nakamichi CD-700II
-Sound Monitor CDT-450x
-Clarion HX-D1
-Pioneer ODR D7xII
-Alpine F1 7990
and so on.

3. Some r hybrid of 1 and 2, ampless player but consists of modern technologies, like able to read MP3, bluetooth and stuffs while also able to give out hi quality signal.
like...
-Eclipse 7200 mkII

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there u have it. better info here by one of the pro. hope other pros can share on comp, amp, sw n others.


Added on November 1, 2008, 8:37 pmbtw how much is the Eclipse 7200 mkII HU?

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a lil' less than 2k. sold by goo216 if i not mistaken.
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clarion d2 is not consider a pure deck btw. Its a 4 way active HU. Pure deck Clarion HU includes Clariond D1, Clarion DRX 9255, Clarion DRX 9255EX and Clarion DRX 9255EXL. Other 'cheaper' pure deck includes eclipse old model.. which i cant remember tongue.gif
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thanks... rectified.
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how about caliber? how come not in the list?

alamak lightning audio rated "poor" cry.gif coz i just invested on those 3 mths ago....

i thought lightning audio came from rockford?
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they r sister company, like peerless, scanspeak and vifa. caliber i would rate it poor too... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Nov 1 2008, 10:43 PM)
they r sister company, like peerless, scanspeak and vifa. caliber i would rate it poor too... tongue.gif
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wahaa..... cry.gif

i'm using caliber monoblock for my lightning audio 12" now cry.gif

i'm a loser sad.gif
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valuable info. thanx alot to ckmoy n bafukie. u guys r really contributing to this thread. it really helps me alot. hope soon i will be more knowledgeble in ice. what would be ur suggestions for an ideal HU = good quality + good sound quality + reliable + usb + dvd + vcd. dont need bluetooth.
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Stellar is not in the list as well.
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QUOTE(zilole9729 @ Nov 1 2008, 11:03 PM)
valuable info. thanx alot to ckmoy n bafukie. u guys r really contributing to this thread. it really helps me alot. hope soon i will be more knowledgeble in ice. what would be ur suggestions for an ideal HU = good quality + good sound quality + reliable + usb + dvd + vcd. dont need bluetooth.
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crazy child & howie are also experts in ICE

u can ask them too...

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QUOTE(ah liew @ Nov 1 2008, 11:16 PM)
crazy child & howie are also experts in ICE

u can ask them too...
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hope they will join in. can i invite them or smtg?


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QUOTE(nixZorus @ Nov 1 2008, 11:11 PM)
Stellar is not in the list as well.
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which category does it fall into?

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post Nov 1 2008, 11:51 PM

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SPL category...
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Nov 1 2008, 11:51 PM)
SPL category...
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ok. wat i meant by category here is whether its entry lvl, competition or ...
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sorry, can't categorize them, i juz know their old skool amps r gud. but neva heard them b4.
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QUOTE(ah liew @ Nov 1 2008, 10:17 PM)
how about caliber? how come not in the list?

alamak lightning audio rated "poor"  cry.gif  coz i just invested on those 3 mths ago....

i thought lightning audio came from rockford?
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lightning audio if not mistaken is the lower end model of rockford. Like toyota to lexus. New rockford models sucks anyway... so being the lower model means sucky more? tongue.gif


QUOTE(nixZorus @ Nov 1 2008, 11:11 PM)
Stellar is not in the list as well.
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u can put stellar under 'worst' category
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stellar worst... hahahaha biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
how about our dear mohawks, ameron and pegasus? they 'won lotsa competition' b4 leh...
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seriously stellar worst? oh yes. early forgot bout these brands. actually, i remember reading somewhere, the winners of the competition actually compete among themselves. ameron n pegasus is from the same dealer if i m not mistaken. so, they have their own competition. but how good or how bad i really dont know.
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[quote=bafukie,Nov 2 2008, 06:39 AM]
lightning audio if not mistaken is the lower end model of rockford. Like toyota to lexus. New rockford models sucks anyway... so being the lower model means sucky more? tongue.gif

ya lor.... what to do my budget got limit cry.gif but the quality sounds quite similar to rockford lar....

rockford cost a fortune, but atleast lightning audio is better than cap ayam. cap itik brand lar.... sweat.gif
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rockford ONLY cost a bomb in malaysia... if u care to look at the US pricing u will be surprise how much the distributor here jacks up the price
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How about KnightKids?
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nightkids cap ayam la...
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Nov 3 2008, 02:23 AM)
nightkids cap ayam la...
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OIC tongue.gif
why not sifu list all the chap ayam brand as well brows.gif
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i belif cap ayam is in the worst category.


Added on November 3, 2008, 5:12 pmanyway cap ayam is easier to be identified cuz i m sure it has some funny name n not famous.

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Anders, If wanna list out all the cap ayam, it's quite impossible, they r evolving too fast.

zilole, cannot say like dat, some branded that u neva heard b4 and think it's funny, become cap ayam lo. Like OZ audio, u think it copied OZ Racing, tot it's cap ayam, die lo. haha.
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hehe. sorry. so, where does oz audio fall?
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it's in the list, hi quality i suppose.
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ok. wat bout addzest? quite hard to get these brands in acc shops. only in forums.
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addzest = clarion
carrozeria = pioneer

juz in different market got different name. most of addzest and carrozeria r for japanese market.
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Pioneer is originated from which country?
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How come no Pegasus in the list?
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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Nov 4 2008, 07:45 PM)
Pioneer is originated from which country?
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Japan, so does clarion, eclipse and alpine.


Added on November 5, 2008, 1:57 amalamak, pegasus... put it in the competition list la, they won so many title in MACE. smile.gif

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this list more to sq... dun Hav SPL list?
stellar = SPL = worst? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Nov 5 2008, 01:55 AM)
Japan, so does clarion, eclipse and alpine.


Added on November 5, 2008, 1:57 amalamak, pegasus... put it in the competition list la, they won so many title in MACE. smile.gif
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sure anot pegsasus in competition list? one of the acc shop guy in seremban recommended me pegasus for sq. but not so sure la. heard from some ppl its not really as wat he claims (i think u told me this rite?) cuz hardcore ice enthusiast keep a low profile n thats y they win competitions. pegasus doesnt even appear in the list. n i read somewhere that most competitions that they win r competitions where only pegasus users compete against one another. anyone using pegasus to clarify this?


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QUOTE(mav_850 @ Nov 5 2008, 09:37 AM)
this list more to sq... dun Hav SPL list?
stellar = SPL = worst? biggrin.gif
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i tot this list was for sq n spl. can anyone here give the list for spl as well?


Added on November 5, 2008, 10:07 amwhat about ameron? is it a competition brand as well?

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im satisfied using stellar for SPL...
ameron more to spl...
bafukie said stellar worst? come put ur ear to my boot...
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For entry level, what do your guys think about Pioneer DEH-3050 or DEH-5050 couple with Mohawk crystal MC-693 - 3 ways. No subwoofer for me or else my wife will come to me. I have consider some Mid component (6.5) in the front along with passive crossover. Any recommend?
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QUOTE(zilole9729 @ Nov 5 2008, 05:54 AM)
sure anot pegsasus in competition list? one of the acc shop guy in seremban recommended me pegasus for sq. but not so sure la. heard from some ppl its not really as wat he claims (i think u told me this rite?) cuz hardcore ice enthusiast keep a low profile n thats y they win competitions. pegasus doesnt even appear in the list. n i read somewhere that most competitions that they win r competitions where only pegasus users compete against one another. anyone using pegasus to clarify this?
I was juz being sarcastic, my friend...
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QUOTE(mav_850 @ Nov 5 2008, 11:40 AM)
im satisfied using stellar for SPL...
ameron more to spl...
bafukie said stellar worst? come put ur ear to my boot...
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are we even talking spl in the first place.? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(mav_850 @ Nov 5 2008, 07:40 AM)
im satisfied using stellar for SPL...
ameron more to spl...
bafukie said stellar worst? come put ur ear to my boot...
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maybe if u compare stellar with those real SPL brands, then it's different... not mohawk or ameron. Brands like Earthquake, Rockford Fosgate, even Pioneer can do better i suppose. It's juz the matter of how deep ur pockets are... tongue.gif
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pegasus. yes the competition they won are mostly competing againts themselves.

anyway. would not rate them according to level cuz each brand has low mid high series. so depending on which series you are talking to they have different quality.

the high tech pure deck is called true deck anyway. d2, 7998 falls into true deck category. while pure deck are like d1, 9255.

anyway about the processor. if processor like p9 pair. i think that pair should be placed as true deck as the processor are not universal processor. while the 701 are universal so they dun fall into the hu category.

another thing. is precision power in the list? elemental design, dd linear?

cheers

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QUOTE(bafukie @ Nov 5 2008, 12:24 PM)
are we even talking spl in the first place.?   hmm.gif
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do u mean all the brands in the list is for sq only? i tot spl n sq. i tot each brand either go for sq or spl only. i must have been wrong. but will be glad if some1 can post the the spl list as well. at least, both sq n spl lovers can use it.


Added on November 5, 2008, 6:48 pm
QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Nov 5 2008, 12:16 PM)
I was juz being sarcastic, my friend...
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ok. but maybe pegasus is in the high quality category la...... takkan la Malaysian standard so low rite


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pegasus. yes the competition they won are mostly competing againts themselves.

anyway. would not rate them according to level cuz each brand has low mid high series. so depending on which series you are talking to they have different quality.

the high tech pure deck is called true deck anyway. d2, 7998 falls into true deck category. while pure deck are like d1, 9255.

anyway about the processor. if processor like p9 pair. i think that pair should be placed as true deck as the processor are not universal processor. while the 701 are universal so they dun fall into the hu category.

another thing. is precision power in the list? elemental design, dd linear?

cheers
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finally u joined us. one of them forumer said dat u hv a lot of ice knowledge. glad u joined. thanx man.

i think u hv got point here. i think its better if v can get a list of the models of each brand in the low, mid n hi category. at least, we will know which is which. hope u, ckmoy, bafukie n the rest will help to come up with the list. truly, it will be very useful to all newbies like me. tq tq.

precision power n elemental designs r in the list. both under hi quality brands. dd linear u were talking bout is digital designs rite? if yes, its under competition brands. if no, its not in the list i think.


Added on November 5, 2008, 7:14 pmi think the pro's here can help us by doing smtg like this.

brand

HU
hi: XXXXXXXXXX, XXXXXX
mid: XXXXXXXXX, XXXXXXXX
lo: XXXXXXXXX

Amplifier
hi: XXXXXXXXXX, XXXXXX
mid: XXXXXXXXX, XXXXXXXX
lo: XXXXXXXXX

Component

Subwoofer

Speaker

n others if there is any.

in a bracket maybe u can state whether that particular model is for sq or spl. maybe v'll juz ignore cap ayams cuz i dun think they have different models to be put in the hi, mid n lo category. this is juz a suggestion. any1 wif better ideas?

pro's, i know there is a lot of unnecessary work here. but all ur contributions will really help all of us here in deciding our ice setup. anyway, juz ignore it if this is simply useless.




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r u trying to classify Pegasus with Helix, DLS, Rainbow, Seas and etc... u will get flamed by the pros, my fren, i will give it low to mid end lvl, juz my 2 cents tho. we discussing bout built quality and sound quality of a particular brand. not SPL or SQ... as long the built quality is gud, can go loud without the sound sux, gud linear graph in lab tests, i believe it will fall into hi quality category.
It's impossible to list out every single brand. juz some of the more renowned brands r discussed more often. Cheers...


Added on November 5, 2008, 8:49 pmSQ and SPL depends a lot on tunings and design of system... some brands r universal, like Helix, JL Audio, JBL Gti and DLS as i know of, can go SPL as well as SQ. juz depends on how u tune them. There r some brands that are more dedicated to either one, example: SEAS, Scanspeak, Dynaudio are more to SQ. While Rockford Fosgate, Kicker, and Earthquake are more to SPL.

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no pls dont get me wrong. i m not trying to classify pegasus with the others. i juz tot that maybe v can put in a brand n then, based on each of their series or models, v categorise them under hi, mid or low. anyway, its ok. i know its actually quite troublesome. n i actually agree with u.

thanx for making me n others understand wat was the list all bout.
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maybe u can put in Hi Quality Malaysia Boleh category, but i think it's designed by audiopega in USA but dunno made in where.
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Nov 5 2008, 12:32 PM)
maybe if u compare stellar with those real SPL brands, then it's different... not mohawk or ameron. Brands like Earthquake, Rockford Fosgate, even Pioneer can do better i suppose. It's juz the matter of how deep ur pockets are... tongue.gif
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hmmmmmn... yeah.. maybe...
but at KL i dont ever see Earthquake or pioneer brands playing SPL...
once see honda's using fullset r.fosgate...
2 x 12subs, 2 x 6x9mid... ok lah...

still loving playing SPL at JB.. Like SPL party around 20 - 30 cars... icon_rolleyes.gif
KL just around 3 - 6 car only.. yawn.gif

QUOTE(Posted Yesterday @ 03:22 PM)
would not rate them according to level cuz each brand has low mid high series..

what u pay is what u get!!! whistling.gif

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problem is i have dificult access to internet in my school hostels. thats wht happen in goverment colleges.

but i will help out as much as possible.

and please. no sifu-ship for me. just another player.
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Hi! How about ECLIPSE SW6200 12" woofer??? Good for heavy & low bass???
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i m not so sure but i think Eclipse subs are not as good as their HU.
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true oso la, neva heard eclipse sub b4. better get kicker sub for dat price range.
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i think the worst car audio is oem proton car audios....
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i think most proton OEM are clarions and blaupunkt... so can't say anything. Juz the lowest standard.
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Nov 7 2008, 09:30 PM)
true oso la, neva heard eclipse sub b4. better get kicker sub for dat price range.
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any mods can pin this thread? a lot of ppl asking about brands...

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yes. mods should pin this up.
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scanspeak <--- not ori but the cikai ones
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What about revenge digital. Under which company?
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i heard its under mtx...
dunno if its lower quality stuff from mtx or not..
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mav850, have u tried putting your ears in the driver seat of bafukies car?

or do u sit in your boot when u drive?
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ken, and wat is it about 'sitting in bafukie's car'? nice SQ? revenge digital, i dun think so under any company.
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i think judging from bafukie's setup n expetise, i bet his sq is damn good. plus, i think he also has the $$$ for it. hope to sit in his car oneday.
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what is this putting your head in boot thing? i dun trust feel. try comparing by a spl meter with mic on the dash. the spl drag way.

cheers.
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I thought I had the chance but he drove another car when I met him sad.gif


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How bout HERTZ....HKS 165V component...?
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r u sure it's hertz or herts? and the model is HSK or HKS? tongue.gif
if it's Hertz HSK 165, it's quite gud, punchy mid bass. depends on the price u getting it, maybe u can get better stuffs. look around for more options.
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Anybody ever used 'nightkids' amp? maybe could get some feedback... thumbup.gif
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night kids is cap ayam... maybe can compare with mohawk amp... smile.gif
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Nov 12 2008, 08:41 PM)
night kids is cap ayam... maybe can compare with mohawk amp... smile.gif
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i have extreme doubt that revenge digital is under MTX... maybe someone got bullshitted or wat. i can't find anything about this brand on the net except for some seller and amazingly mostly from malaysia. so, think about it...
i confirm Lightning Audio is under Rockford Fosgate la.
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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Nov 12 2008, 09:24 PM)
How do you compare Revenge Digital which some says its under MTX.
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QUOTE(kopiOkaw @ Nov 13 2008, 12:57 AM)
I don't think its under MTX... saw this evening revenge digital 2 channel amp 800 watt for rm220... sweat.gif
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Btw is Nov now... when are you going to plan to buy and install it drool.gif
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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Nov 13 2008, 07:38 AM)
yeah, too hard to be true.. MTX stuff doesn't get so low price too.

Btw is Nov now... when are you going to plan to buy and install it  drool.gif
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Revenge Digital...

i oso Dunno... but some seller not me.. said that this brand under MTX... biggrin.gif
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Sorry ckmoy007 its HSK...hehe...act have already got 1 nt too satisfied with the sound nt sure if its my amp or what...any suggestion 4 another set maybe infinity kappa perfect....vifa....
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what do feel lack in the sound? mid bass? vocal or highs? wat kinda music u listen to? wat is the rest of ur system consist of? and ur budget?
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ckmoy, dunno how ur future system would sound like but looks great with all those brands man!! how much u planning to spend bro? i guess it will be close 2 15k.
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hehe, wait ah, i need to count first... i got few items 2nd hand, especially those hi ends. total i have spent, ~RM7000 without the cables and HU. Installation not kira cos dunno how much yet. so in total shud come close to 12-13.5k if everything done. 15k if i change tweets. sh1t wei, i got thin for saving up money for these stuffs. tongue.gif but i will be selling my P400 and Boston SL60 soon, will upgrade the amp. hehe...
the final sound, must, not will, but must sound nice and at least above average... icon_rolleyes.gif if not i will bang my head against the wall. rclxub.gif sweat.gif cry.gif
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lol... maybe i'll juz copy ur setup la. but u everywhere oso got lubang to get stuff cheaper than usual. but me, i think i would hv to pay almost twice the price u pay. hehe.

u wanna use 3 way active for ur front rite? but ur setup shows different brands n models. so, its not a compnent is it?


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it's considered a 3 way component consisting of different brand onli. even rainbow got release hi end component without passive cross, just the drivers alone.
if u r patience, and always keep ur pocket steady and ever ready, u can find urself some lubang if u dun mind 2nd hand stuffs, at least that's what i did. smile.gif
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Nov 16 2008, 05:30 AM)
hehe, wait ah, i need to count first... i got few items 2nd hand, especially those hi ends. total i have spent, ~RM7000 without the cables and HU. Installation not kira cos dunno how much yet. so in total shud come close to 12-13.5k if everything done. 15k if i change tweets. sh1t wei, i got thin for saving up money for these stuffs. tongue.gif but i will be selling my P400 and Boston SL60 soon, will upgrade the amp. hehe...
the final sound, must, not will, but must sound nice and at least above average...  icon_rolleyes.gif  if not i will bang my head against the wall.  rclxub.gif  sweat.gif  cry.gif
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Yeap, RM15,000 must be at least there already.

Thank goodness I can still comfort myself a little that mine sound average cos I paid a lot lesser..
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QUOTE(bafukie @ Nov 17 2008, 10:21 AM)
no way dude, with that kind of setup it must be not above average and not just sound nice but 1 rung below 'perfect' and 'audio nirvana'. Otherwise u really have to bang ur head.
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hope wat u said is true... if not, all effort will be wasted. gonna twist my balls if it don't sound nice. blink.gif probably i will just stick with DLS NO1 tweet, unless have extra budget to get some superb ones. now i just buying stuffs onli, neva audited them, not even once, lol. as long as it's working(using tester to measure the current), then cash and carry. i just ask around for the item's characteristics onli, hehe... anyway, thanks, bro... may my dreams come true. biggrin.gif


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Yeap, RM15,000 must be at least there already.

Thank goodness I can still comfort myself a little that mine sound average cos I paid a lot lesser..
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ur system cost how much, bro? if really cheap, i will bang head again... laugh.gif think urs more than 5k, less than 10k. around 7k, my guess correct?

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How about this danish brand name vifa. How good is it? They made drivers for soundstream exact 6 component speaker too.
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vifa, scanspeak and peerless are sister companies, so u guess they r good or not? smile.gif
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Peerless i know is high end stuff. But i'm suprise that vifa supplies 6.5 inch drivers for soundstream exact 6 model.
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ckmoy... i think more importantly is to consider whether to change the 6" mid to 8" up front... it sure sounds better if you have a 8" up front... for me at least...

cheers...
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eek... 8" up front at the door? i dun wanna make the door too bulky. think i will stick to my 6.5", let the sub do the work. i audited a full ODR system with 2 way front recently, he was using 17cm(7") midbass, the sound was superb, staging was fantastic. using which mid bass depends on what kind of music u like to listen. smile.gif

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in the list here, rainbow is in competiton n morel is in high quality. but some shops say morel is as good as rainbow. anyone used these 2 brands b4?

btw, how much is the focal utopia be component set? i saw it for sale at RM14k?
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rainbow has a lot of series... something like platinum line sure goes to competition, while sound line or dream line is just hi quality. price range varies, and a lot actually. biggrin.gif
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what do u think of RS audio? i juz listened to it yesterday. its clear n very loud but the vocals have some kind of ''energy''.. dunno how to say la. like its very aggresive, rough. u get what i mean? is it normal for it to be like that? or is that good? compared to another setup with rainbow components, the vocal is not as rough as RS. kinda like the RS component. its the RS Pro series. not sure Rainbow which series but the price is juz about same.
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i'm not brand concious but more to SQ, musical, clean and so on

not to say i look down at other brands....but i've heard Mohawk and so on.....good for SPL.....SQ not not really there
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neva consider Denon A1 or Z1? how about soundmonitor CDT-450x? heard those r the exotic ones. tongue.gif
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MacAudio is from germany but products are made in Korea if i'm not mistaken. Gud for entry lvl.
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why Eton brand not in the show....German technology...
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Dec 12 2008, 04:07 AM)
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i think it shud look something like this...
MacAudio is from germany but products are made in Korea if i'm not mistaken. Gud for entry lvl.
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mine is exactly like the picture i posted...whats the average market price?
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in my place, it's selling for 850-1k.
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why Eton brand not in the show....German technology...
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hmmn... anyone can say where it belongs?
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Dec 12 2008, 08:57 PM)
in my place, it's selling for 850-1k.
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biggrin.gif u meant the pic u posted? or the blue and yellow amp.. i thought someone selling 650 also consider ex d.. sad.gif
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yea, the pic i posted, in my place selling for 850-1k. damn, now i money not enough, lol... hand damn gatal, got a DLS TA2 selling for 3.5k... shit, new is 7-8k, altho 1 yr old but it is still a TA2, one of the legendary tube amp. onli 500 pcs in the world. too bad my dad not a millionaire, lol...
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[quote=ckmoy007,Dec 12 2008, 10:41 PM]
yea, the pic i posted, in my place selling for 850-1k.

tongue.gif so the yellow and blue amp is fake ?
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i not sure, maybe old model, the one i posted is 4x90W rms.
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sad.gif anyway i read through one of the old post, someone posted saying tat alpine type s component isnt good? plan to get one cause of its reasonable price smile.gif
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Dec 12 2008, 10:44 PM)
i not sure, maybe old model, the one i posted is 4x90W rms.
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sad.gif  anyway i read through one of the old post, someone posted saying tat alpine type s component isnt good? plan to get one cause of its reasonable price smile.gif
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anyone heard of tomahawk audio? how come not in the list?
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wa, old skool cap ayam wei, last time tomahawk and mohawk amps used to be the 'talk of the city' when i was still a student. dunno now still got produce or not...
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hmmn... anyone can say where it belongs?
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its from german...in the past was using as OEM in mercedes car....
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hmmn... anyone can say where it belongs?
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Dec 14 2008, 03:54 AM)
wa, old skool cap ayam wei, last time tomahawk and mohawk amps used to be the 'talk of the city' when i was still a student. dunno now still got produce or not...
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oh! i see, i didn't know thats cap ayam.... actually caliber is also cap ayam right? but become famous....?

have u heard of audio phonar german cap ayam....
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hi quality... can match on par with Helix in terms of built quality and SQ.
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anyone else wants to list other brands n which group they belong to, pls do so. i m sure it will be very informative to all of us. ty.
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oh! i see, i didn't know thats cap ayam.... actually caliber is also cap ayam right? but become famous....?

have u heard of audio phonar german cap ayam....
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can't blame u oso... ICE in malaysia is so damn expensive, the dealer jack up the price and we consumers suffer, and oso thanks to the tax of our gov. dats why everyone turns to cap ayam, and make it famous cos they are the onli one affordable. u see those ICE pros usually dun buy from malaysia, mostly oversea. Even ICE in singapore is so cheap. 1 more factor is lack of ICE enthusiasts in malaysia oso, everybody wans onli cheap and gud (cap ayam), they neva consider to pay for quality, unlike mat salleh, they are willing to pay for quality... smile.gif btw, i neva heard of audio phonar. u can check some of the brands popular in europe through emmanet.com
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How bout Deebezt woofer and amp?

I heard that most of the speaker are now from China including JBL etc..
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never heard of deebezt. it has to be either its damn good or cap ayam. hehe. cuz this is the only chances that i may not know a brand. anyway, dont take my word for granted.

yes there r many brands have their factories in China including some famous brands. its mainly cuz of the cheaper cost of production there. but, u must also be careful cuz there r many fake stuff from China with all famous brands. u can usually tell with the they r being offered. some forumers here r also selling those stuff. juz be careful.
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Nice job TS. I always use this to check what cap ayam, entry and high quality ICE. Like a Benchmark.
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QUOTE(adriankhoo153 @ Dec 20 2008, 12:09 AM)
Nice job TS. I always use this to check what cap ayam, entry and high quality ICE. Like a Benchmark.
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ty. still havent got the time to update this list. hope to do it soon. until then, bring more brands here.
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sony in entry level meh?
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Sony ah? Should be in avoid list.
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ya lor... ICE become an expensive hobby to play.... although everyone turn to cap ayam but there is no control

such as some china made cap ayam is even worst than mohawk for example, even hazardous too

there is no consumer protection in M'sia compared to S'pore.
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Sony ah? Should be in avoid list.
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any bad experience? major/minor? thinking of buying this brand, thought it is solid as kenwood,alphine
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i feel that sony is juz famous. its usable but it is very very far from brands that r more into car audio. in terms of sound, quality n others, sony is still lacking compared to more established brands like dls, rainbow, alpine. if i were u, i wont go for sony. its cheap n thats y v hear alot bout sony. but if u like it, go ahead.
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As far as I know, Sony only produced 2 audiophile products-the XES system and the C90 HU.
Since then, they concentrate on the mass market (with much lower pricing but hugh market) who demand nothing more than hearing radio and news broadcast with occasional CD play.
So they are considered low end or entry level by those who have demands for better SQ in the car.
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most Sony Hu can't read pirated cd same goes to home dvd player
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my sony home theater can read pirated cd and DVDs no problem... smile.gif
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we are talking about those 1 or 2 DIN sized HU that goes mobile on cars and runs on 12V DC... not the one and needs a 230V AC that doesnt go mobile... so quality wise you will expect a lot of difference... especially on the reading the pirated stuff....
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hi am a newbie here icon_rolleyes.gif

...have been slowly upgrading my Vios (at least I thought I was) ....

current specs:
clarion HU (1din)
front speakers: Memphis Component MC speakers
rear speakers: Factory (original speakers)
sub: Planet audio
Amp: Taiwan-made amp 2-ch (purely budget decision)

As you can see, very entry/budget level but hope some new additions can boost performance so....wud really appreciate any suggestions eg amp, rear speakers and tweeters.

cheers!






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QUOTE(hushymushy @ Dec 11 2008, 10:53 PM)
hehehehehe just finding a reason for me to change only
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bro... time to save up some money for family man...

General comment:

for me... i am not too keen to categories this brands... i think we have to be practical when we talk about ICE...

All sifu here would agree to me that SQ is a personal thing. A properly tune cap ayam can be "better" sounding than those expensive step.

The fact that ICE is so expensive in MY. Remember ICE/Audiophiles is a long journey. So plan properly on your purchase. You can have the best setup in the world but you only listen to pirated CD/MP3 or radio, that to me is just waste of money.

Lets enjoy ICE to what we can afford.

just my 2 cents. smile.gif
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Lets enjoy ICE to what we can afford.


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QUOTE(petalingindah @ Dec 30 2008, 10:34 AM)
hi am a newbie here  icon_rolleyes.gif

...have been slowly upgrading my Vios (at least I thought I was) ....

current specs:
clarion HU (1din)
front speakers: Memphis Component MC speakers
rear speakers: Factory (original speakers)
sub: Planet audio
Amp: Taiwan-made amp 2-ch (purely budget decision)

As you can see, very entry/budget level but hope some new additions can boost performance so....wud really appreciate any suggestions eg amp, rear speakers and tweeters.

cheers!
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try amplify ur front components... shud be able to give u some improvement. smile.gif
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try amplify ur front components... shud be able to give u some improvement. smile.gif
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Tks for the suggestion. wondering now whether shd change the 2-ch amp to a better 4-ch amp...any suggestions for a reasonably priced amp below 1K? Was considering Orion speakers for the rear for RM300. Is that too expensive? Cheers.
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4ch, imho, under 1k, it's JBL GTO-1004e or a cheaper Magnat Bull Power Four or soundstream lil' wonder. u might get a mid end amp if u dun mind 2nd hand... smile.gif
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QUOTE(petalingindah @ Dec 31 2008, 10:20 AM)
Tks for the suggestion. wondering now whether shd change the 2-ch amp to a better 4-ch amp...any suggestions for a reasonably priced amp below 1K? Was considering Orion speakers for the rear for RM300. Is that too expensive? Cheers.
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If you planning to get SW, don't get rear speaker. Save the money for a better amp for the front.
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Dec 31 2008, 10:58 AM)
4ch, imho, under 1k, it's JBL GTO-1004e or a cheaper Magnat Bull Power Four or soundstream lil' wonder. u might get a mid end amp if u dun mind 2nd hand... smile.gif
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Thanks a lot ckmoy007! I'll check out yr suggestions... biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(iceggy @ Dec 31 2008, 02:15 PM)
If you planning to get SW, don't get rear speaker. Save the money for a better amp for the front.
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Here's hoping the amp for front will do the trick...cheers mate!

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Oh no I just bought Kole Audio component set!! RM488 wasted!! please don say stay away i feel sad cry.gif
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everyone plays ICE according to their budget, if ur budget is limited, nothing much can be said... dun be sad. Happy New Year.
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mbq... they have amps rite? is it good or cap ayam?


Added on January 8, 2009, 12:38 pmactually got so many, dunno which is which dy... mac audio & mbq.... audio quart & others with different spelling for "quart". r these cap ayam?

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me using mbq amp. 4ch & 2ch. Using about 2 years plus, almost to 3 years. An average & budget amp. Normal listening consider ok lar.
Me gonna let go both amp soon. Wanna upgrade it.
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ICE is not just about buying better hardware and so on
its also about how u install it and how u tune it

alot of factors to consider about upgrading ICE

1. what's wrong with my current setup?
2. am i that picky or can I live with it?
3. when i upgrade, what is my expectation?
4. what budget do i have?
5. what else have i missed out to produce better quality regardless of the hardware?

alot of questions and lots of factors to think off

just like sound proofing, cables and many more
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ckmoy, i've seen a Canon 12" woofer in karamunsing last time

haha! camera brand.
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haha, KK got all sorts of unknown brands la.
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hello everybody, i see that my woofer is not in the list. can anyone recommend me a high quality woofer? should i take focal or audison woofer since i'm now using these brands already and its in the high quality group?
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Peerless XXLS is in the high quality group, bro, no worries about that. u r really daring to spend more than 10k just like dat, without any knowledge in ICE. wish i could have ur wallet, lol. ppl like me, have to korek all the info we can get in order to get the smartest buys for our shallow pockets... biggrin.gif
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ckmoy, i got it. will stick to my current system for now. will tune and see how la.
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QUOTE(petalingindah @ Dec 31 2008, 03:20 PM)
Thanks a lot ckmoy007! I'll check out yr suggestions... biggrin.gif


Added on December 31, 2008, 3:24 pm

Here's hoping the amp for front will do the trick...cheers mate!
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Just wanted to update on how I upgraded my ICE...

I went back to the shop that I bought the Clarion HU and they had a second hand (2004) Magnat Traxx 2 ch originally RM1k-2K for RM500 which he said was better than the Magnat Bull Power so I jumped at it. Then on his recommendation, Impact car audio tweeters -NT230 for RM600. Also recommended better cables...so how did it sound...? Fantastic! I was blown away! thumbup.gif

I must say even tho I hadnt heard of Impact (Italy) before but them tweeters are incredible. The upgrades cost me RM1,550 and tho its over my initial budget I don't regret it....I just love being in my car biggrin.gif
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glad that u like ur new system, happy ICEing. biggrin.gif i know Impact does produce some hi end speakers, although very rare but they do.
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i dont know if its true but i heard morel and impact speakers r produced by the same ppl. is it true?
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nope, morel is from Israel, whereas impact is italian.
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"Don't buy Morel because it is from Israel. Boycott them as they have killed so many Palestinians".Said the senile Mahathir.
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lol... pls dont bring politics into these forums.
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boycott these forum as well...
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boycott these forum as well...
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why this forum? but for the sake of this forum, we will all have to boycott morel from israel for attacking the palestinians........ and RF, kicker, boston, US acoustics, american bass from US for being Israel's ally.

this takes away about half of the ice brands and leaves us with nothing much to have to talk in this forum oso..


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germany, denmark and italy give us some options, too... Helix, Rainbow, Audison, Sinfoni, Peerless, Vifa... haha. but mostly SQ la.
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germany, denmark and italy give us some options, too... Helix, Rainbow, Audison, Sinfoni, Peerless, Vifa... haha. but mostly SQ la.
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Hello... recently i've saw a Helix Precision 236G component set... i'm going for SQ... and i like live drumming music and good vocal sound... is this a suitable component set...?? Or there is a more suitable one.?? cause i heard that this component set are better in Vocal music... Thanks....


Added on February 4, 2009, 1:24 amHello... recently i've saw a Helix Precision 236G component set... i'm going for SQ... and i like live drumming music and good vocal sound... is this a suitable component set...?? Or there is a more suitable one.?? cause i heard that this component set are better in Vocal music... Thanks....

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ur budget? i dunno how much dat helix cost u... tongue.gif for ur music can try DLS nobeliums and Rainbow Vanadium kick or Profi kick, but of course those are at a higher lvl than 236G.
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Oo..... the component set is around rm2k la.. but can be discount gua... after discount i think below rm1800 la... how much will those component cost ler.??
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i'm not sure how much do they cost, but definitely more than 2k unless it's 2nd hand.
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just wanna all u ICE pros out dere for some advice.im a newbie in ICE. i just change my HU to a panasonic with AUx function n changed two 6x9 sony 3way speakers at de back of my wira. i spent around 600 on dis setup so far. but i find dat de speakers lack bass... de older stock wira speakers actually had better bass.. can u all advice me how 2 increase de bass? will an amp help me get de bass i wan?? i just wan some moderate bass just enuf for me 2 enjoy inside de car.. no need so loud n bassy dat de outside world can hear n feel de bass...
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coucar brand

any comment for this brand?
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coucar brand

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Like Seas and Brax, it is "cap ayam". whistling.gif
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QUOTE(robinhood @ Apr 2 2009, 08:21 AM)
Like Seas and Brax, it is "cap ayam".  whistling.gif
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pls elaborate... as gud as seas and brax?
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Apr 3 2009, 03:40 AM)
pls elaborate... as gud as seas and brax?
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WOI!!!

wheres agako and prokick amps??? how come not in the (+ve) list??


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haha, evil machan, here comes mohawk, digital revenge, shuttle lab and adam's digital... biggrin.gif
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how bout american sound?? Wanna ask for ur guys opinion..
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QUOTE(yaw90 @ Apr 8 2009, 11:36 AM)
how bout american sound?? Wanna ask for ur guys opinion..
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WOI!!!

wheres agako and prokick amps??? how come not in the (+ve) list??
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Added on April 8, 2009, 1:14 pmalso, since this thread is similar to the one in ZTH ill just cut n paste my reply from there lah.....hehe

best known brands in car audio (for good sound quality systems):

source: alpine pioneer eclipse denon mcintosh etc

processing: alpine audio control rf jl pioneer mcintosh etc

speakers: scanspeak, focal, morel, dls, RS Audio, hertz, phd, helix, brax, seas, phass, vifa, peerless, eton, etc

amps: mcintosh, genesis, audison, steg, sinfoni, phd, helix, brax, celestra, phass, luxman, dls, etc

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'kok kok' grade...
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thx for letting me noe tats a kokkok brand...
cuz gt ppl declare it is a japan brand
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hey i wanted to install subwoofer...but the shop recommend me this "E-TONE" 12" woofer.....wonder where is this from??....and i need only normal woofer..not those branded ones....any advise??

btw this is the website... hmm.gif

http://www.amerion.com.my/etone.asp?cat=25
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if u need a non branded and normal one, then no need to bother where is it from, it's either SEA or China. Amerion is quite established in m'sia, dunno bout E-Tone tho. there's a German brand called ETON which produces hi quality speakers. Not sure if this is the same case of ADIDAS and ASADI. tongue.gif
btw, i realize dat the magnet of the sub is quite small. so, it's really onli gud for normal use. smile.gif not for blasting all night long.
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oo...means not good if keep on blasting loud loud and long time??....what u mean the magnet sub quite small?....can show me an example of large magnet?? btw those jbl woofer costs around 300-500bucks ok ah??.....not to mention what other brands is good for heavy bass lover...price for woofer is around 200-400bucks... brows.gif

and heard that if wanna install subwoofer....the rear speakers has to be taken out and use front speakers to do the job...rite?? so that will sound much better..is this right?? hmm.gif

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not to say not gud for blasting too long, just that the bass might not satisfy u. i dunno which JBL subs u talking about, i guess shud be the GT5 series. neva heard them b4, so can't comment.

this is ur ETONE which has 40Oz magnet,
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some examples of a big a$$ magnet,

1) Alpine Type X
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2) Power Acoustics MOFO
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3) Earthquake HOLEES 12
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for ur budget, i suggest a rockford fosgate P1 or Kicker CVR, at least they are no cap ayam and well known around the world. wat u wan is called a SPL setup, boom boom all the way. below is the P1 sub.
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QUOTE(hipeys88 @ Apr 20 2009, 10:16 PM)
oo...means not good if keep on blasting loud loud and long time??....what u mean the magnet sub quite small?....can show me an example of large magnet?? btw those jbl woofer costs around 300-500bucks ok ah??.....not to mention what other brands is good for heavy bass lover...price for woofer is around 200-400bucks... brows.gif

and heard that if wanna install subwoofer....the rear speakers has to be taken out and use front speakers to do the job...rite?? so that will sound much better..is this right?? hmm.gif
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and i personally think that they r better than alot of entry subs out there
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hi am a newbie for ICE

oredi upgrade my ICE

HU : Pioneer DEH-2450F CD Player
Front Speaker : Memphis 1 Pair 6.5" Two Way Coaxial Speaker
Rear Speaker : Memphis 1 Pair 6" x 9" Three Way Coaxial Speaker
Amp : Trans (TRA754) Class AB 4 Channel 1200wt max
Pre-Amp : Caliber CPE-M4USB
No Sub

and also slow-slow to increase ICE

WTA
how about my Amp (Trans) really this JAPAN Tech?
and want to install Memphis 12" PR Subwoofer...
how about this woofer? and recommend MONOBLOCK for this woofer?
also recommend for DOME Tweeter...

thank 4 all... icon_rolleyes.gif
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my recommendation, sell both your front and rear coaxials, buy a component speaker set for fronts. sell off your amp and buy a 4 channel amp, to run both fronts and sub. lastly sell off both your player and pre amp, just get one decent head unit.
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ayooo...juai suma ka
tq zennn

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how about my Amp (Trans) really this JAPAN Tech?
and want to install Memphis 12" PR Subwoofer...
how about this woofer? and recommend MONOBLOCK for this woofer?
also recommend for DOME Tweeter...
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QUOTE(panjo @ Apr 23 2009, 08:23 AM)
ayooo...juai suma ka
tq zennn

WTA
how about my Amp (Trans) really this JAPAN Tech?
and want to install Memphis 12" PR Subwoofer...
how about this woofer? and recommend MONOBLOCK for this woofer?
also recommend for DOME Tweeter...
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for ur amp for sub better take 2 channel or class A mono.....coz 2 channel bridged is better than class D mono....
this is what ive experienced with NEW soundstream amp b4.... smile.gif
but dunno other brands..... must ask sifu zenn to explain... heheh
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for ur amp for sub better take 2 channel or class A mono.....coz 2 channel bridged is better than class D mono....
this is what ive experienced with NEW soundstream amp b4.... smile.gif
but dunno other brands..... must ask sifu zenn to explain... heheh
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You sure using a class A amp to power a subwoofer is better than a class D???? blink.gif You should do a research on the classification of amps. By the way, nobody will want to use a Class A amp to power subwoofers (even if their vehicle electrical system can support that). Another interesting point to highlight is that a true Class A for a vehicle is so expensive and limited in production. Audiophiles will use the Class A amp to power their comp. speakers.

Current Soundstream producing Class A amps? I highly doubt it. hmm.gif Even their legendary Human Reign series are not Class A. As for an audiophile, most will prefer 2 channel amps (mostly they are Class AB) to power their subs owing to better control/damping properties (but on the expense of efficiency). As for those looking for a louder system, a Class D amp (assuming similar power rating) will be much more efficient. Hence, the popularity of recommending a Class D for subwoofers.

Another thing to bear in mind that not all Class D amps are inferior in SQ (perhaps due to higher THD and lower damping properties). Lastly, can you really hear the difference in sub bass???? Boominess yes, but not neccesarily the overall ambience in what you are looking for from the subwoofer.

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dont get so excited la, he's a relative newbie, as u can see he only experienced one amp. i think he means class AB and not class A, and his view was also qualified by saying from his own limited experience.

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QUOTE(zennn @ Apr 23 2009, 12:35 PM)
dont get so excited la, he's a relative newbie, as u can see he only experienced one amp.  i think he means class AB and not class A, and his view was also qualified by saying from his own limited experience.
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oops sorry.... what i mean is class AB....... my mistake.... that time was freak with NEW soundstream amp coz of their beauty outlook.... but now ugly already to me coz frustrated with the sound... hahaha
thanks sifu zenn for correcting me up... smile.gif

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haha, dun say that, there are lotsa hardcore soundstream fans around here. smile.gif i told a lot of ppl, the new amps are overrated but they just love the tarantula logo. lol.

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hahahaa.... one thing about soundstream their amps are nice... i mean in terms of outlook.... the new lil wonder damn nice one..... shit!~ tgk pon cair.... hahah!~ tongue.gif
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Alpine PDX amplifiers have nice design too.
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Looks bellies the sound huh.

Hello guys, Class D amps are not inferior. They are just made differently to be more efficient for a particular band of frequencies. In fact, they cost more to manufacture than a typical class AB amplifier. For that purpose (in running a subwoofer), they give higher output and can be as efficient as 80-90% of usable power and runs cooler too. Furthermore, Class D amps allow you to run at lower impedance to double or even triple the power (2ohms or 1 ohm) which a typical non-high-current class AB amp can never do.

If you ask me: A branded 2ch class AB amp (non-high current) vs a branded class D monoblock. Which would i choose for my subwoofer duties? I would probably pick the class D monoblock. However, if I can find a good class AB monoblock, would probably go for that!

Some amps like TRU Hammer, Focal Solid 1, Zapco iforce i600 and Reference 500.1 are Class AB monoblocks. Yummy!
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yeah.. pdx also nice.... but helix also nice!~~~~ heheheheehhehehhe:P
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QUOTE(deserte4gle @ Apr 23 2009, 01:25 PM)
oops sorry.... what i mean is class AB....... my mistake.... that time was freak with NEW soundstream amp coz of their beauty outlook.... but now ugly already to me coz frustrated with the sound... hahaha
thanks sifu zenn for correcting me up... smile.gif
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QUOTE(deserte4gle @ Apr 23 2009, 06:46 PM)
hahahaa.... one thing about soundstream their amps are nice... i mean in terms of outlook.... the new lil wonder damn nice one..... shit!~ tgk pon cair.... hahah!~ tongue.gif
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Looks bellies the sound huh.

Hello guys, Class D amps are not inferior. They are just made differently to be more efficient for a particular band of frequencies. In fact, they cost more to manufacture than a typical class AB amplifier. For that purpose (in running a subwoofer), they give higher output and can be as efficient as 80-90% of usable power and runs cooler too. Furthermore, Class D amps allow you to run at lower impedance to double or even triple the power (2ohms or 1 ohm) which a typical non-high-current class AB amp can never do.

If you ask me: A branded 2ch class AB amp (non-high current) vs a branded class D monoblock. Which would i choose for my subwoofer duties? I would probably pick the class D monoblock. However, if I can find a good class AB monoblock, would probably go for that!

Some amps like TRU Hammer, Focal Solid 1, Zapco iforce i600 and Reference 500.1 are Class AB monoblocks. Yummy!
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ya Tru Hammer is a beauty just in case Taikor deserte4gle wish to opt for hammer but no budget he can go for RM10 2 piece from those hardware shop, can choose color too laugh.gif

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QUOTE(mnkh27 @ Apr 24 2009, 10:13 AM)
Looks bellies the sound huh.

Hello guys, Class D amps are not inferior. They are just made differently to be more efficient for a particular band of frequencies. In fact, they cost more to manufacture than a typical class AB amplifier. For that purpose (in running a subwoofer), they give higher output and can be as efficient as 80-90% of usable power and runs cooler too. Furthermore, Class D amps allow you to run at lower impedance to double or even triple the power (2ohms or 1 ohm) which a typical non-high-current class AB amp can never do.

If you ask me: A branded 2ch class AB amp (non-high current) vs a branded class D monoblock. Which would i choose for my subwoofer duties? I would probably pick the class D monoblock. However, if I can find a good class AB monoblock, would probably go for that!

Some amps like TRU Hammer, Focal Solid 1, Zapco iforce i600 and Reference 500.1 are Class AB monoblocks. Yummy!
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QUOTE(zennn @ Apr 22 2009, 11:32 PM)
my recommendation, sell both your front and rear coaxials, buy a component speaker set for fronts.  sell off your amp and buy a 4 channel amp, to run both fronts and sub. lastly sell off both your player and pre amp, just get one decent head unit.
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how bout Infinity Kappa 3 way Comp. set compare Memphis MClass Comp. set
n Pioneer DEH-P6050UB head unit oso

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hey guys...just want to ask..right now i have subwoofer+amp..but i want to remove the subwoofer...so left the amp, but if the normal speakers connected to the amp, will it spoil the speakers??...do i need to remove the amp if i remove the subwoofer?? hmm.gif
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if its a mono amp then maybe not suitable for speakers. if its a 2channel amp then is ok...
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no any old school nice stuff to introduce??~~~
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click my signature la, got some...
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can i noe wat is SPL? T.T
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can i noe wat is SPL? T.T
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SPL = Sound Pressure Level

SPL cars are the ones going boom boom boom around town

SPLP competitions are for measuring how loud the car can play. they dont use music, just some fart sounds.

too bad in this country when u say u are into car audio, they automatically think spl...bcoz so many show cars are spl based...
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Glad to see my amp & speaker include inside SQ
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where is yamaha in the list?
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yamaha doesn't produce ICE if i'm not wrong.
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omg my bad.. i thought they did. sorry
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just asking an opinion...my budget is not much...i will upgrade my ice using hertz esk 165, infinity amp and using audison cable...

what do you think the costing u will get with this setup??
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imho, rm2k more or less depending which audison cables u talking abt.
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thank2 bro ckmoy007 for ur opinion...audison cable it's quite expensive too...1 power cable (rm400) + 1 signal cable (rm 350) = rm 750.00...
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better use that money to upgrade your amp, no need to spend so much on cables la...
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wah, ur cables price kinda scare me...

why would you need such expensive cable for infinity amps+hertz drivers?
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sound quality more clear...at that time 1 of the customer using a same cable with same speaker...hertz and audison cable came from same company...i can used ordinary cable...sound is clear too but maybe little bit different lah...ade kureng sikit....hehehehe

i dont know other opinion but i already heard it...really different....

look at this website :- http://www.hertzaudiovideo.com/default_en.htm

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if youre using audison amp then diff story lah, hehe....
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if youre using audison amp then diff story lah, hehe....
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i used infinity amp 4 channel

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thats why i said u should use your cable budget to get a better amp, much more improvement compared to spending it on cables....
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QUOTE(deserte4gle @ Apr 23 2009, 08:35 AM)
for ur amp for sub better take 2 channel or class A mono.....coz 2 channel bridged is better than class D mono....
this is what ive experienced with NEW soundstream amp b4.... smile.gif
but dunno other brands..... must ask sifu zenn to explain... heheh
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hey how is ur setup?

never let me audit audit leh

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QUOTE(zennn @ May 30 2009, 11:10 PM)
thats why i said u should use your cable budget to get a better amp, much more improvement compared to spending it on cables....
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hehehehe...that's right...i aggree with u....just thinking to get soundstream 4 channel amp....or any other opinion???
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soundstream is not much better than the infinity u have, lol...

what is your budget now?
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QUOTE(zennn @ Jun 1 2009, 12:48 PM)
soundstream is not much better than the infinity u have, lol...

what is your budget now?
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my budget now around 4k...my front speaker right now is soundstream....i planning to bring my front speaker to the rear and replace it with hertz esk 165....i also planning to replace my previous amp with infinity or soundstream....my setting is SQ...i dont really interested in SPL...

have you ever heard phatwatt or phawatt electronic crossover???

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4k is quite gud d. zenn could help u do better than esk and infinity. neva heard of the brand of x-over b4.
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that's right bro ckmoy007...bro zenn help a lot to me...give opinion about soundstream is much more better than infinity...i just got the price for soundstream LWS 4 channel amp rm 1300 and hertz esk 165 component speaker rm 1200...that price is including installation, tuning and setting...

i using phawatt x-over...the sound is really clear...really different before i change it...around rm 450
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phatwatt also i never hear before, why u need xover? whould have saved your money to get a good head unit with inbuilt xover laa...

if yore a beginner on a budget, no need to buy new la, u end up with cheap stuff from china only...

better get your moneys worth by getting 2nd hand branded equipment, baru puas hati...it will last longer and sound much better
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support 2nd hand ori products... smile.gif most of my stuffs also 2nd hand but serve me damn well. new stuffs are onli for glamour and need time to run in, most of the real gud stuffs are bullet proof, can last for a long time. actually i wouldn't recommend sound stream for SQ especially the new soundstreams. zenn got some nice SQ stuffs for sale. i oso got a set of boston acoustics for sale. at least cheaper and better than the ESK. mine is comparable to HSK series.
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i juz wan to know about nightkids brand and hertz <<<<is it ok or cap ayam,,,,,noob here all sifu plz help me
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i dont know about nightkids...but hertz is quality product...but beware fake hertz brand...8 inches hertz subwoofer price near rm 1000....esk 165 component speaker rm 1200...but fake hertz will be sell below than rm1000


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support 2nd hand ori products... smile.gif most of my stuffs also 2nd hand but serve me damn well. new stuffs are onli for glamour and need time to run in, most of the real gud stuffs are bullet proof, can last for a long time. actually i wouldn't recommend sound stream for SQ especially the new soundstreams. zenn got some nice SQ stuffs for sale. i oso got a set of boston acoustics for sale. at least cheaper and better than the ESK. mine is comparable to HSK series.
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thanks a lot bro ckmoy007 and bro zenn for ur opinion....well i should look it back and make some revision back before spend it...try to look for 2nd ori product...i saw some ice shop sell some HSK product costly near rm 2000...boston acoustic is really good product too

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i juz wan to know  about nightkids brand and hertz <<<<is it ok or cap ayam,,,,,noob here all sifu plz help me
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just make sure it's Hertz, not Herts, Herz or something like dat. Italian company, a reputable car audio company worldwide, famous for their Mille speakers . Nightkids is ah beng's blasting brand, nothing to shout about, in other words, cap ayam. but most beginners will ignore wat we say and still buy the cap ayams cos a lot of their frens oso using that brand.tongue.gif
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Hi everyone,

Interesting article. A good read for info. As for me, old school only lor because cannot afford new ones.
I guess at the end of the day, within your budget, get maximum value via maximising your system capability.

Cheers biggrin.gif

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So, how about Av quart quality?
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all i can say is it's the imitation of a German brand 'MB Quart'. so, u take a guess on how gud it can be. tongue.gif
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hi all, might ask some stupid question but dont fire me ya.. haha..

is the Phoenix Gold QX-2180 and Precision Power 2030M consider as entry level of ice..?

currently my setup:
HU - pionner 8650
component - Rockford 2614 component set
sub - peerless XLS 10"
stage 1 DIY sound proof(paiseh...)

i owned a rockford 2614 component set(2yrs+), and i replaced the tweets with hertz(forgotten the model, but its a normal performance tweets la~)
planned to drive the component set with the ppi, and the peerless xls 10" power by the PG.

any comment or advice..? i know it might be not enough juice to drive the sub, but what to do..? i only manage to get the PG for the sub.. sob~

thanks in advance..

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http://ampguts.realmofexcursion.com/Phoenix_Gold_QX-2180/
this PG is 2x40w and 1x180W @4ohm. XLS 10 is 250W rms if i recall correctly. shud not be a problem if u dun blast excessively.

http://ampguts.realmofexcursion.com/PPI_2030M/
2x 30W for ur comp set. ok la, better than nothing. smile.gif

both amps are very old skool, i suppose they are entry lvl. but at least much better than cap ayam. smart choice for starting ICE. mind to tell me how much u bought the XLS?
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hmm.. last time i bought it for RM350.. at gr8tunes..

the subbie need at least 300rms.. told by sifu zenn or mnkh.. forgotten.. tongue.gif

next month will aim for a better power amp for the midbass.. i think around 75-90rms..? should be fine with my component rite..?
den the 2030 will pair with the tweets.. anything i should careful b4 running active..? kinda noob in active setup..

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not bad, nice sub for a very nice price. now almost imposible to get at that kinda price d. amp for mid around dat la, 80w shud be sufficiient. how u plan to play active, using hu to cross?
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if i'm not mistaken, my HU does support active setup. but i dono how to set it.. there is a button to select whether to run normal or active.. i worry after dat i'll spoiled my system. anyone can help..?

what's ur suggestion, ckmoy..?
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dats ur HU, u gotta figure out if it's capable of running active. smile.gif u just need to have an HU dat can cross at least up to 3kHz before thinking of going active with ur HU. another option is get an external electronic crossover to do the job.
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i wouldnt recommend those 2 amps, very very very old.....

what HU r u using, if alpine u have to take the unit out, switch is below, change from 2 way to 3 way xover
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pioneer 8650.. there's a switch there. i know dat.. juz gone thru the manual. haha..
b4 getting the proper amp and component, i'll keep running my ICE in passive 1st.. summore i nid to study more on active setup..

both amps were old skool.. but in my opinion, i juz start playing with ICE, it will be better than spending the same amount on new amps but not really good quality amp..

correct me if i'm wrong.. newbies learning.. ^^
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u were already on the right path, branded 2nd hand amps, just have to buy something thats not so antique la.....
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ahahaha~ both of the amps is in antique level..? 0.o
juz hope thier performance dont let me down..

sifu zenn, do you audit both amps b4..? or anyone..? like to hear some comments..
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QUOTE(toonny @ Jun 17 2009, 09:01 AM)
ahahaha~ both of the amps is in antique level..? 0.o
juz hope thier performance dont let me down..

sifu zenn, do you audit both amps b4..? or anyone..? like to hear some comments..
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My 2sen view on ol'skool amp. If you can get in good working condition at great price, grab it. Most of them are sonically good enough for newbie. The good and not good thing is that since they are mainly 'pure' amp i.e without features such as crossover, bass boost la etc, you need to have the function via HU or external crossover. But similar to 'pure' deck/HU, you get the money spent on quality. The amps never clipped and stay clean through to high volume.

Personally i have 4 equipments older than 10 years in my setup. 2 of them are close to 20 yrs old. Most of the others are >7 yrs anyway. My friends with newer equipments also agree that for the money spent, its well worth.

Just be careful that bcoz they are old, do not push beyond their limit esp buying SQ ol'skool to be used for SPL. Give them some headroom. All in correct gain setting.

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QUOTE(abeye @ Jun 17 2009, 09:46 AM)
My 2sen view on ol'skool amp. If you can get in good working condition at great price, grab it. Most of them are sonically good enough for newbie. The good and not good thing is that since they are mainly 'pure' amp i.e without features such as crossover, bass boost la etc, you need to have the function via HU or external crossover. But similar to 'pure' deck/HU, you get the money spent on quality. The amps never clipped and stay clean through to high volume.

Personally i have 4 equipments older than 10 years in my setup. 2 of them are close to 20 yrs old. Most of the others are >7 yrs anyway. My friends with newer equipments also agree that for the money spent, its well worth.

Just be careful that bcoz they are old, do not push beyond their limit esp buying SQ ol'skool to be used for SPL. Give them some headroom. All in correct gain setting.
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well said... but something to add... whether old or new... gain must be in correct setting...

and yes... i do also own amps that are more than 10 years old... and they are running superbly fine till today... and i find them having better SQ than any current amps at the same price as i bought them new last time,,,

cheers,,,,
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The ol'skool amps are generally hand crafted and well designed, use quality comp with high tolerence level and indivually soldered. Recently, i just repaired one channel of my 19-year old Soundstream D100ii because one of the caps dried off. Costs only RM50.

Money wise. Eg a/d/s PQ20, which i bought for RM600, was sold for around USD700 when it was launched more way back in 1989. Taking into account inflation etc, that very huge equivalent money now, maybe around USD2,500 or equivalent. That would be equivalent to nowadays class of Sinfoni, Brax, Genesis, Audison etc. The design may be old but as far as i know, there's not much design change for amp over last decades or so except for perhaps class D.

I might be biased because i love ol'skool due to its cheaper price but i think money well spent and who know, it has the built quality and repairable, can last long enough to pass over to your kids haha.

Want to know much better on the craziness of ol'skool stuff in the US market, go to Diymobileaudio website. I can provide the link later


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QUOTE(abeye @ Jun 17 2009, 11:29 AM)
The ol'skool amps are generally hand crafted and well designed, use quality comp with high tolerence level and indivually soldered. Recently, i just repaired one channel of my 19-year old Soundstream D100ii because one of the caps dried off. Costs only RM50.

Money wise. Eg a/d/s PQ20, which i bought for RM600, was sold for around USD700 when it was launched more way back in 1989. Taking into account inflation etc, that very huge equivalent money now, maybe around USD2,500 or equivalent. That would be equivalent to nowadays class of Sinfoni, Brax, Genesis, Audison etc. The design may be old but as far as i know, there's not  much design change for amp over last decades or so except for perhaps class D.

I might be biased because i love ol'skool due to its cheaper price but i think money well spent and who know, it has the built quality and repairable, can last long enough to pass over to your kids haha.

Want to know much better on the craziness of ol'skool stuff in the US market, go to Diymobileaudio website. I can provide the link later
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http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/diy-mo...off-thread.html



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i went to acc shop yesterday and found CROSFIRE component set...forgot what model sell only at RM450......but i dint buy yet....is it a risonable price or too cheap??anyone know what the true price for the lowest grade of ORI CROSFIRE component set???
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I'm planning to change my old HU (Clarion one 2-DIN with cassette player! lol) to one that has USB and a front AUX. Any recommendations (value for money in terms of features and sound)?

Not going to touch the rest yet as budget is limited for now but definitely looking to slowly upgrade the rest later. I have an old 2ch Soundstream amp, can I re-use that for the front speakers only? Thanks for any advice.
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I just bought a Kenwood 7340BT and you state as Entry Level? WHAT THE F
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I just bought a Kenwood 7340BT and you state as Entry Level? WHAT THE F
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Mine Kenwood DNX7320 with gps and bluetooth also considered as Entry Level la.. Bought it for like 6k. Why u wanna angry there?
SQ is NORMAL.. Better than China Brands Sound.. Lousier than High End HUs

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I'm planning to change my old HU (Clarion one 2-DIN with cassette player! lol) to one that has USB and a front AUX. Any recommendations (value for money in terms of features and sound)?

Not going to touch the rest yet as budget is limited for now but definitely looking to slowly upgrade the rest later. I have an old 2ch Soundstream amp, can I re-use that for the front speakers only? Thanks for any advice.
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QUOTE(gavinchong @ Jul 21 2009, 10:31 PM)
Mine Kenwood DNX7320 with gps and bluetooth also considered as Entry Level la.. Bought it for like 6k. Why u wanna angry there?
SQ is NORMAL.. Better than China Brands Sound.. Lousier than High End HUs
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shocking.gif ...6K for in-car double din dvd player+gps+bluetooth?


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I just bought a Kenwood 7340BT and you state as Entry Level? WHAT THE F
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QUOTE(gavinchong @ Jul 21 2009, 10:31 PM)
Mine Kenwood DNX7320 with gps and bluetooth also considered as Entry Level la.. Bought it for like 6k. Why u wanna angry there?
SQ is NORMAL.. Better than China Brands Sound.. Lousier than High End HUs
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Wow shocking.gif RM6K can buy my entire sets including spares, man....

Nice one you have there....the HX-D2 or DRZ9255........looking to own one of those one day
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u have some nice spare amps there, abeye. Keep it up. 6k for all of ur setup including spares, u must have gotten them for a really cheap price. respect... smile.gif
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I am visiting KL from 15~19 of Aug and will be staying at Holliday Inn Glenmarie .... I am interested in buying Kenwood DNX7340BT in-Dash 2Din Audio Video system. I would appreciate if you guys can help me the nearest shop from where I can buy this... Also do you have ball park price on this unit in Malaysia!!

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have a search at the classifieds.........
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QUOTE(Ero-Sennin @ Jul 22 2009, 10:35 AM)
shocking.gif ...6K for in-car double din dvd player+gps+bluetooth?


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erm...i think this model for kenwood is mid-end level
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Yes was 6k for it
That is the highest end in Kenwood lar
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what about BMBoschmann..
which category n quality does it fits?
as in SPL or SQ and lower or higher qualitiy..
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bukit mertajam boschman fit in cap ayam category...
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Hi all sifus...

Im currently using Pioneer DEH-P7150UB HU with Hifonics Titan Monoblock + titan 4 channel Amp.
Planning to change Mid Component Sets.

Any ideas on Orion Cobalt 6" series compare to Sounstream XSC.6??
Wonder why soundstream websites dun have XSC.6 on it.. Izzit Fake product or wat?

Hope to get all sifus opinion.

Thanks in advance..
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orion cobalt definitely better than soundstream xsc, fake or not your guess is as good as mine

agako i wouldnt call it really good brand, only popular with SPL systems on a budget, not recommended for SQ systems
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QUOTE(zennn @ Sep 3 2009, 12:45 PM)
orion cobalt definitely better than soundstream xsc, fake or not your guess is as good as mine

agako i wouldnt call it really good brand, only popular with SPL systems on a budget, not recommended for SQ systems
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Zennn...

Any recommendation with the same price to orion cobalt?
Need a few suggestion before do final decision..

Thanks..


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Zennn...

Any recommendation with the same price to orion cobalt?
Need a few suggestion before do final decision..

Thanks..
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Any Recommendation??
Goin to change it between this 2 week..
PLS HELP... Any1?? Im from Ipoh but most of the time in Butterworth..

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whats your budget...?
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Anyway is BMBoschmann under Entry Level? Coz interested to use it as subwoofer system.
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Anyway is BMBoschmann under Entry Level? Coz interested to use it as subwoofer system.
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QUOTE(robinhood @ Jul 22 2009, 08:53 AM)
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whats your budget...?
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Zennn.. sorry for late reply..
while i round2 surveying the market..
i saw Phoenix Gold component set model V65C. <-- Any comment on this set compare to orion cobalt??


Budget around 500/pair..

Any got stuff in that budget?

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All SIFU here, HELP

Hi, I'm a Newbie in ICE. Recently just thinking to upgrade my car audio system. Just few question.
1) I want to concerntrate on Mid Bass. Shu I use 2ch Amp or 4ch Amp?
Actually I thinking to use 2ch Amp for my Mid and 2ch Amp for my
SUB. Or do you think 4ch is enuff?
2) Soundstream brand ok? According to my budget. Or is there any
recommended 2nd brand selling?
3) For HU unit, which model better targeting pioneer or alphine?

Cheers


Added on September 9, 2009, 12:08 pmOr maybe I shu ask:
Everything in my car now is stock HU, Speakers ...etc
Now, shu I change Component Sets first or the HU first?
because I saw some one in the forum is selling FOCAL component set.

Anywhere,
My Idea of my ICE:
HU: Alpine Single Din or Kenwood Dual Din
Component Sets Front: FOCAL or Soundstream
Rear Speakers: Ori
AMP: ??? no idea
SUB: ??? no idea

Pls advice me. Thanks.

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QUOTE(shiwamoto @ Sep 8 2009, 07:16 PM)
Zennn.. sorry for late reply..
while i round2 surveying the market..
i saw Phoenix Gold component set model V65C. <-- Any comment on this set compare to orion cobalt??
Budget around 500/pair..

Any got stuff in that budget?
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500 i scared orion and PG are immitation la

save up bit more to 700-800...


Added on September 9, 2009, 3:27 pmteck333

u can change speakers first, then HU, and then add amp.

yes u can use 4ch amp, 2ch for fronts and 2ch for the sub.

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Zennn sifu,
Someone recommend me this combination
HU: Clarion don know wat model but around RM1.2k
Component Set: DLS don know wat model but around RM600-700

Cause i tell him my budget around 2k.

wat do u think?
But sometime i thinking some 2nd stuff but don know who is selling.
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for 1.2k better get alpine, or maybe pioneer which is cheaper, so can raise the speaker budget higher.

i have some new and 2nd hand stuff for sale also, click my signature below....
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ur items are very very good quality but unfortunately I can't really afford. hahahahaa..... I saw few times already. What u suggest which suitable for my situation now?


Added on September 10, 2009, 5:14 pmClarion DXZ786 RM1,200
Alphine 9887 RM1,6xx

This is wat he quote me. Other model got time alignment?

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alpine 9887 selling at RM16xx?! u sure?!
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Howie selling RM1,2xx.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=403021&hl=
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zennn...

orion at 99aa BM, Penang also fake (imatation)??
but they put banner authorized dealer??

pheeww..
lucky i havent buy yet..

how about autotek component? any comment..

Thanks in advance..
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autotek mostly for SPL uses. so if u r into SQ, can skip thru this brand la.
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autotek mostly for SPL uses. so if u r into SQ, can skip thru this brand la.
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Thanks ckmoy.
tat means autotek component just for SPL?
Cant use to hear slow songs?

wat i wan is.. vocal loud n clear..
but sometimes i used to hear techno and r&b music..

Haizzz.. how ahh..

confuse now..
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any speaker can be used for slow song. just see whether it sounds gud or not. wats ur budget for speakers? and wat are the rest of ur system consist of?
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Sep 13 2009, 02:46 PM)
any speaker can be used for slow song. just see whether it sounds gud or not. wats ur budget for speakers? and wat are the rest of ur system consist of?
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my current setup is..

monoblock hifonics titan
4 channel hifonics amp
pioneer p7150ub HU
12" DVC / DMagnet (cap ayam -- AUDIO QUART)

Planning to change both set Component -- Exising using Kicker old model & Mohawk Crystal.

Budget i have now is 1k - 1.2k -- for 2 set of component

As mention b4.. i saw 99 auto accessories in BM, Penang.

Selling Orion Cobalt at RM 520.00/set.


Really need advice so tat i dun waste my money this time..
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better get 1 set of 1k-1.2k component nicer den u take 2 component tat in lower end ~~
juz advice no offense hehe

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i see, i really wud recommend to use dat money to get a single set. i saw there is someone selling 2nd hand focal polykevlar 3 ways for rm1.3k. it's at www.mycarhifi.com nick name vickyz, perhaps u can nego with him to keep within ur budget. i wouldn't wan to install any comp set at the back. it realli disturb the front stage. or if u wan just use the current one. all the money u spent u wan maximum pleasure for ur ears right?
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Sep 13 2009, 11:32 PM)
i see, i really wud recommend to use dat money to get a single set. i saw there is someone selling 2nd hand focal polykevlar 3 ways for rm1.3k. it's at www.mycarhifi.com nick name vickyz, perhaps u can nego with him to keep within ur budget. i wouldn't wan to install any comp set at the back. it realli disturb the front stage. or if u wan just use the current one. all the money u spent u wan maximum pleasure for ur ears right?
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KEN San ---> Thanks for the advice..

ckmoy san..
Normally behind should put wat kind of Speaker instead of Component?
2 way coaxial?
If i use back the old 1..
should i cabut out the tweeter?

Thanks in advance.
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normally we put nothing at the back as i said it distrbs the front staging. imagine the singer singing both from the front and back. if u realli wan to put something, just leave the current one as it is and tune the gain to the lowest possible, afterall it's just for the passengers, no point spending money and u won't wanna hear vocals coming from the back. most SQ ICE players remove the rear speakers. while SPL players is alwez the more the merrier.
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Sep 14 2009, 05:48 PM)
normally we put nothing at the back as i said it distrbs the front staging. imagine the singer singing both from the front and back. if u realli wan to put something, just leave the current one as it is and tune the gain to the lowest possible, afterall it's just for the passengers, no point spending money and u won't wanna hear vocals coming from the back. most SQ ICE players remove the rear speakers. while SPL players is alwez the more the merrier.
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will go round2 and check it out..
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Anyone heard of SIERRA????
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Are DLS component sets good and reputable???

I tested a few brands fitted in a row. DLS components sounds the most natural and clear. Others like kickers sounds soo too harsh and feels uncomfy when listened to for long time.

Was offered about 700 for the DLS component set.
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QUOTE(2fast2furious @ Sep 16 2009, 10:37 AM)
Are DLS component sets good and reputable???

I tested a few brands fitted in a row. DLS components sounds the most natural and clear. Others like kickers sounds soo too harsh and feels uncomfy when listened to for long time.

Was offered about 700 for the DLS component set.
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what model?
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teck3333
no never heard of it

2fast2furious
yes dls has always been natural sounding, just be careful of fakes
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FANCY AUDIO at SHAH ALAM selling alot of DLS product. There can buy?
They claim they are authorised dealer for DLS.

Zennn,
U never heard of SIERRA?? cuz EA selling whole range of SIERRA at their shop. Around DLS and FOCAL pricing. But online cant find the info.
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QUOTE(teck333 @ Sep 16 2009, 05:27 PM)
FANCY AUDIO at SHAH ALAM selling alot of DLS product. There can buy?
They claim they are authorised dealer for DLS.
lol, of coz they are
Me a good fan there thumbup.gif



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Mind me to ask a noob question,
Does woofer really need to come with an amplifier?
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QUOTE(1692 @ Sep 18 2009, 11:00 AM)
Mind me to ask a noob question,
Does woofer really need to come with an amplifier?
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I suppose you're talking about a subwoofer. Yes it does.
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how about AutoCraft component speaker set? Which category is it belong to?
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<mod edit> please do not advertise here

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QUOTE(1692 @ Sep 18 2009, 11:00 AM)
Mind me to ask a noob question,
Does woofer really need to come with an amplifier?
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YES..!!!!!


Added on September 24, 2009, 2:00 pm
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how about AutoCraft component speaker set? Which category is it belong to?
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.....cap ayam.....

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Between Morel Tempo and Rainbow Dreamline SLX265 component speakers, which will you guys pick? anyone know the retail price for those speakers? Thanks biggrin.gif
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zennn and all sifus..

If im into SPL.
Which brand should i go for?

Thanks in advance..
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QUOTE(shiwamoto @ Oct 5 2009, 09:01 PM)
zennn and all sifus..

If im into SPL.
Which brand should i go for?

Thanks in advance..
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how about MTX rclxms.gif
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how about MTX  rclxms.gif
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ok..

1) MTX

any others recommendations?
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shiwamoto さん,
あの、SPL は JBL,Earthquake,Kicker もいいです
でも、ねだんはほんとにたかいですね!
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Serious SPL: Fi Audio, Rockford Fosgate, Audiobahn, Ground Zero, Sundown Audio, US Amps, Helix SPXL, Soundstream SPLX, Orion, Cervin Vega and much more.

cheap cheap SPL: auXdio, Mohawk, Audio Specialist, LV Audio, Shuttle Lab, Tomahawk, Adam's Digital, Ayam audio, Sardin audio, China audio and much much more. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(gavinchong @ Oct 6 2009, 01:04 AM)
shiwamoto さん,
あの、SPL は JBL,Earthquake,Kicker もいいです
でも、ねだんはほんとにたかいですね!
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System updated.
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shiwamoto さんは日本人ですか?
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QUOTE(gavinchong @ Oct 7 2009, 12:48 AM)
shiwamoto さんは日本人ですか?
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Gavin san,

Nope..

Im a malaysian and i cant read japanese..
Sorry..

Heehee.. rclxm9.gif

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waaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaaha.....apa la, lawak betul
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hahaha... Cant read why can respond to my question.. Funny man!
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QUOTE(gavinchong @ Oct 7 2009, 07:42 PM)
hahaha... Cant read why can respond to my question.. Funny man!
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Hehe.. I just follow comment sense..
summore.. japanese word mostly same with chinese word..

Hehe..
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hahahaha...


Added on October 11, 2009, 8:48 amWant to know Audio Quart going for what level?

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QUOTE(nawie @ Oct 11 2009, 08:45 AM)
hahahaha...


Added on October 11, 2009, 8:48 amWant to know Audio Quart going for what level?
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nawie..

Audio Quart = Cap ayam.. But me myself currently using its 12" sub..

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we shud start the cap ayam category... haha. biggrin.gif audio quart is just trying to sound like MB Quart, there are oso ALS trying to sound like DLS. got ALFINE trying to imitate ALPINE, Lightning Acoustics trying to be Lightning Audio, even LV Audio trying to sound like LV handbags.
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Boschmann speakers okay?
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QUOTE(Daltonsama @ Oct 12 2009, 05:50 PM)
Boschmann speakers okay?
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Well..

as wat all the seniors here said..

Its a chap ayam..

Actually is up to urself my friend.. icon_idea.gif
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Hai all? Noob here. Which subwoofer can play down to 17hz according to your experience. I prefer 8 inches and available in Malaysia. And also in sealed box.

My thot, it should be combine with the right amp, right hu, right box? And the diagfragm should be soft right? Or the Fs bla bla right?
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dont dream la 8inch can go down to 17hz

most probly a good 15inch sub in a large sealed box powered by a good powerful amp can

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QUOTE(zennn @ Oct 13 2009, 04:26 PM)
dont dream la 8inch can go down to 17hz

most probly a good 15inch sub in a large sealed box powered by a good powerful amp can
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Zennn..

Need your advice on DLS R6A and MS6A..

Which 1 better??

Thanks in advance..
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QUOTE(zennn @ Oct 13 2009, 12:26 PM)
dont dream la 8inch can go down to 17hz

most probly a good 15inch sub in a large sealed box powered by a good powerful amp can
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+1, even 12" subs has problem going down to 20Hz, let alone 8" playin 17Hz.


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Zennn..

Need your advice on DLS R6A and MS6A..

Which 1 better??

Thanks in advance..
notworthy.gif
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both are equally gud.it just depends which one suits ur kind of music. usually newbies won't be able to detect the differences, they sound almost the same, just the midbass like i said each one has its pro and cons.. aiya, just get the cheaper one and hentam first, if u like the sound then keep using it. if dun like sell it and go for other speakers. smile.gif

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OIC. wat you'll suggest then? Sub + amps?
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40Hz and below!! most cars will not be able to feel that sub-bass region.
Why?
speakers energy translates to vibration on body panel and to heat!!..
even the sub-box is NOT heavy enough to produce that freq.

Yes! its still possible to produce low sub-bass region.
How?
1. Fully damp including roof (RM3K++above)
2. foam all the hollow pillars and etc.. (RM1K++above)
3. Lock down the sub enclosure' preferably with weight on it
4. Sub can play 33Hz below well.. large sub with vented enclosure(min 2.2cbft above)
- 15" or 18" has much larger surface area. Hence able to push the air gently NOT violently like a 10" or 12". 8" only good for midrange.. (juz kidding)
5. use a min 10awg sub cable. Forget about that RM0.50 cents terminal cup. Its a disaster!!!
6. use HDF unstead of MDF. Much stronger and denser!!
7. Use wood glue + internal bracing for sub enclosure. Finish off with a 2" nail above into the panel.
8. Use a combo 25mm+19mm HDF on the front panel at least!!
9. Change alternator to 120amps above with extra 4awg power and grounding cable.
10. Rear deck cut a bigger ventilation hole + heavily damped it. Preferably 1/3 air can come into the cabin from the boot!!

Have fun!! do all the above your car will be one of its kind. Not even a JLW7 or velodyne plug-and-play type(without doing any of the above) can compete with all the customization job above.
Thats serious ICER!! who seeks the best NOT juz buy the best drivers smile.gif
Best drivers + well thought off customized job = very different from mass market cars
*applicable not juz to sub but to all other hardware and components!!


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thanks carcrazy. Lot of info. Not going for competition. Just want to play Hoods run down by Lil Whyte. Can't hear the 1st 25 sec bass. Anyway, Very good advice.
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QUOTE(shiwamoto @ Oct 13 2009, 05:11 PM)
Zennn..

Need your advice on DLS R6A and MS6A..

Which 1 better??

Thanks in advance..
notworthy.gif
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R6A la, kaw-kaw bass, hehe, plus i got new unit for sale, lol....


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thanks carcrazy. Lot of info. Not going for competition. Just want to play Hoods run down by Lil Whyte. Can't hear the 1st 25 sec bass. Anyway, Very good advice.
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here's a tip, screw down your box into the car chassis, u will feel the sub bass vibrations

i can confirm this coz thats how i built the box in my jazz during competition last time, it was only a single 12, but box was larger than recommended specs, and i passed the sub bass test with flying colours. we had an 18hz note at 1.09 of track 6 (planet krypton) where the chair supposed to vibrate and tickle your ass, lol

of coz a small car helped a lot, and it wasnt even soundproofed, important thing is, good sub, good amp, sufficient clean power, good box and good installation.

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[quote=zennn,Oct 14 2009, 04:03 PM]
R6A la, kaw-kaw bass, hehe, plus i got new unit for sale, lol....

Thanks zennn..

This saturday go ICE shop test both..

C with 1 suite me..

hehe.. laugh.gif
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Dear Zenn, how much you sell the R6A? Where to get the JL HD 900/5?

Are you using the 12'' in a sealed box?
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r6a new unit going for 1200, can refer to my list below for some stuff for sale

jl amp i dont have la, just the subs...

yes ive been using sealed box all the time, better for SQ
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i wanna get a hu for a kancil, which should i get? i'm going to use it mainly for connecting my ipod. can anyone recommend me good ones? thanks.
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gud ones? Alpine X-001 then... state ur budget if u may so dat ppl can help u.
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Oct 17 2009, 03:39 PM)
gud ones? Alpine X-001 then... state ur budget if u may so dat ppl can help u.
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probably around 3-4 hundred?
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rclxm9.gif

Yes...

Finally i had made a good decision.

DLS MS6A.. I like it..
Hmmm..

Now start funding again for sub.
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nice... how much u got for the MS6A? take a video and post it on youtube la. smile.gif


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probably around 3-4 hundred?
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if u are not into CDs, maybe u can try asking around for alpine X300. not much choice for dat budget, or another one is alpine CDE-100UB which is abt rm500. for rm300-400 most likely u might get china brands.

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pioneer lower range is in that range... it had AUX input that you could connect your ipod to... but cant control the ipod from the HU though...
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oh..what bout 500 then? can i get an alpine, pioneer or kenwood with a usb port?
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[quote=ckmoy007,Oct 18 2009, 04:22 PM]
nice... how much u got for the MS6A? take a video and post it on youtube la. smile.gif

hmm..

I got it for RM 1200 including installation n tuning.
Sounds nice and awesome for me.. rclxm9.gif

video? i dun have a video camera my friend.

The speaker got NTC hologram sticker.
So i think its ORI gua..

So now i can play my favorite songs loud n clear..
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So i'll skip the 17 hz sub. make me bengang. haha. Pls anybody suggest me a good set of 4'' speaker and match it with 4 ch amps. Budget around 2k - 2.5k. Want good bass from the 4''. Is Rockford ok?
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4inch where got bass one, dont waste your time la....
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From ICE talk

Hi guys, my first time step on ICE thread.
I need a Radio-CD player for my Wira with very limited budget $1xx~2xx
Bcos the range is really wide *pins, aux, and etc etc
No cap ayam and throw-after use-recycle one.

Where can I get genuine & last long one ? My friend suggests from Brothers; my options
1) Get from my friend's shop and install for me
2) Buy from outside and install by him ( some coffee money for installation ) probably from Brothers

He wouldn't con/tiuk me but maybe his dad will biggrin.gif


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what brand of amp nice to push 2way/3way component?
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what about DLS R4 4" 2 way 50W? I really looking for Good 4"?
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Hi SiFus..

Wanna ask..

AV Quart cap ayam ka?

and Mohawk Subs good or not?

oyea im driving a 4WD so what would SiFus out there recommend coz the engine of my car is kinda loud and vibrating hard lols

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QUOTE(jye7785 @ Oct 21 2009, 02:47 AM)
what brand of amp nice to push 2way/3way component?
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depending on ur budget and which comp u are pushing. tons of nice brands on the market.


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what about DLS R4 4" 2 way 50W? I really looking for Good 4"?
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looking for gud 4"? i have the DLS IR3 dome mid going for rm650, used one of course. dat is if u have the right equipment to play this mid. in this case, a crossover for a start.


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Hi SiFus..

Wanna ask..

AV Quart cap ayam ka?

and Mohawk Subs good or not?

oyea im driving a 4WD so what would SiFus out there recommend coz the engine of my car is kinda loud and vibrating hard lols
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AV Quart cap ayam, copying the famous brand from Germany MB Quart. Mohawk are just for blasting, nothing special abt it. u can do soundproofing to eliminate those noises in ur car.

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Shiwato...

RM1200...nice price...where u get it?

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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Oct 21 2009, 05:37 PM)
AV Quart cap ayam, copying the famous brand from Germany MB Quart. Mohawk are just for blasting, nothing special abt it. u can do soundproofing to eliminate those noises in ur car.
thanks for your info but aint improving the sound proofing cost a fortune to do?

what amp, sub do u recommend..

budget around RM1000 only =(
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[quote=ckmoy007,Oct 21 2009, 05:37 PM]
depending on ur budget and which comp u are pushing. tons of nice brands on the market.

my budget for component set is 2k and amp to push component is 2k too.
any brand?
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vince, soundproofing is the onli way to reduce noise and yes, it does cost a fortune, if no money then have to bear with the noise. as for amp + sub at rm1k, u gotta ask zenn for some recommendation, he has an arsenal of ICE products.

jye, if u are looking at hi end products, i am willing to sell mine at the price u mentioned, 2k for DLS Nobelium 6.2 and 2k for Helix P400 Precision. but i doubt u wan 2nd stuffs la. 2k can get u something like DLS UP6, Focal Polykevlar K2P and so on. Amp 2k, maybe audio system F4-600 will do the job. i can get Focal K2P at a nice price, PM me if u r really interested.
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vince, soundproofing is the onli way to reduce noise and yes, it does cost a fortune, if no money then have to bear with the noise. as for amp + sub at rm1k, u gotta ask zenn for some recommendation, he has an arsenal of ICE products.

jye, if u are looking at hi end products, i am willing to sell mine at the price u mentioned, 2k for DLS Nobelium 6.2 and 2k for Helix P400 Precision. but i doubt u wan 2nd stuffs la. 2k can get u something like DLS UP6, Focal Polykevlar K2P and so on.  Amp 2k, maybe audio system F4-600 will do the job. i can get Focal K2P at a nice price, PM me if u r really interested.
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Sabah... hehe. even if i sell, not right now... after new year la. the P400 is very new, used onli 3 months and lying at home now. u can of course reserve those stuffs if u really interested.
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ckymoy.. Sell me your Nobelium @ 2k ... me saliva all come out ed... sad.gif
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QUOTE(jye7785 @ Oct 21 2009, 09:04 PM)
my budget for component set is 2k and amp to push component is 2k too.
any brand?
for 4k can get u steg amp and mcintosh speakers.

what type of music do u listen to?
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for 4k can get u steg amp and mcintosh speakers.

what type of music do u listen to?
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both STEG and McIntosh are damn famous in SQ world but not for beginners due to their price. STEG amps are very gud for midbass and subs. While McIntosh are very famous for their HU.
Zenn, the McIntosh MSS630 i heard is made by Vifa, is it true?
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mc also famous for their amps...
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jye,
try browsing the thread from beginning then u get an idea on what brands to go after

ckmoy yes they do look like vifas...
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hi guys, asking for some opinions.

i saw a phoenix gold M25 on sale.
rated rms at 25wx2 @ 4 ohms. but i googled around found out there are some users telling it was around 60rms. any idea..?

btw, it was an old skool amp.

and the other amp, precision power 4200M.
i planned to get this amp for my peerless 10" sub.
power rated at 1x600w rms @4 ohm bridged.

my question is, are these amps is good..? reviews thru diy mobile audio are not bad for the M25. selling for less than RM500. worth to get it..?
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m25 u going to use it for wat? tweeters? 2x25w is at 12V, if 14.4V maybe about 2x50w or so. PPI is a gud brand, famous for their amp in handling lower frequencies, PPI are considered dynamic sounding amp, means can feel lke lotsa energy in the music.
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oo.. i would like to use m25 to drive my component..
midbass i gonna change to lower power handling type. cause my midbass speaker now got weird sound.

someone is selling oem speaker for audi. he say the speaker is low wattage type. or another brand which is "visaton".

or any recommended component to get..? my budget around RM600. i dont mind 2nd hand things. as long it produce good sound.

so i assume the ppi is good for the sub rite..?

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M25 is ok if u are using it to produce midrange and hi freq. dun expect too much bass coming from low powered components. as for component set, better ask zenn, he sure have something around rm600. dun take the OEM audi speakers. Visaton if i not mistaken are home audio speakers, the midbass requires an enclosure, playing it free air at the door will shorten its lifespan.
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alright. let see what sifu zenn will list out here. ^^

bro ckmoy, thanks for giving your opinion.
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there are visaton models that plays free air... and for their sound... i cant complaint about their price... they even sound better than priced...

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i dono which type is the guy selling. might have to pm and ask him..

crazie child,
so by wat you means is, the visaton is worth for the price offered..? if there are model that plays free air.
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i wouldnt say they are bad for theprice offered... and yes... they do have free air models... dun remember which though...

i had used them for mid and mid-bass and for my computer last time... and i say they are not bad... worth it for the price i paid... but mine was the home audio models which was in a custom enclosure though...

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can i ask about coral brand?is it a good component set?
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coral is italia brand... if not mistaken has a link with the brand Audio Development(AD)... its a all rounder performer... which model are you inquiring?

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coral daytona if im not mistaken..is it good?
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Zennn, is pioneer amp GM 6300F 4 channel can power up the MS6A? Think of going for the MS6A but still looking for the amp to drive it.

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the midbass need at least 100w rms to bounce.
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i thought that also. So, ckmoy, the alpine pdx 4.100 rated at 100 rms right? and the ms6a will match perfectly with it right. who sell the pdx and what price? zenn?
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Hi Bros, Any idea of Maestro brand? handcrafted in German.
are they related to MB Quart? looks quite the same. Anybody have any idea what's their price range?
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i thought that also. So, ckmoy, the alpine pdx 4.100 rated at 100 rms right? and the ms6a will match perfectly with it right. who sell the pdx and what price? zenn?
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Just to check. what's the difference between Focal P. V1 and V2?
Anyone know what's the price of V1 and how good it sounds?
I just visited a shop, selling V1 at RM580.
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rob, is it something to o with the setting or connection? I found that most review in web the pdx is good? anyway, still doing research actually. Even sony system sound nice to me but according to sifu's, their entry level only. hahaha. what you're using rob? kind to share?
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Class D amp are known for efficiency but lack of cleanliness, dats why most SQ kaki dun use class D amps, even monoblock they oso choose to use class AB. the gud thing abt PDX is the small footprint of the amp, makes it easier during installation. wats ur budget btw? PDX are not cheap, u can get better amps at that price and cheaper if u get 2nd hand... smile.gif

AVJunior, neva heard of Maestro b4, maestro and cirrus on ATM cards got la. focals ain't cheap, even the lowest range Access cost bout rm700 for the component set, so u think the V1 u saw is ori? V1 and V2 i think they just updated version for marketing purposes, not much difference i suppose.
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yeah, i know it's hard to believe for V1 at RM580. when i 1st saw the price, i was like, "it's fake". but out of curiosity, took it out, wow, looks exactly the same......
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Oct 27 2009, 04:42 AM)
Class D amp are known for efficiency but lack of cleanliness, dats why most SQ kaki dun use class D amps, even monoblock they oso choose to use class AB. the gud thing abt PDX is the small footprint of the amp, makes it easier during installation. wats ur budget btw? PDX are not cheap, u can get better amps at that price and cheaper if u get 2nd hand... smile.gif

AVJunior, neva heard of Maestro b4, maestro and cirrus on ATM cards got la. focals ain't cheap, even the lowest range Access cost bout rm700 for the component set, so u think the V1 u saw is ori? V1 and V2 i think they just updated version for marketing purposes, not much difference i suppose.
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See our bro ckmoy has spoken. He is definitely right. The PDX doesn't sound clean at all. The looks is definitely sexy but certainly not in the league of being qualified as a SQ amp. Yes, they are much more efficient than any AB class amp but one thing I don't really like the PDX is lack of control. In fact, many audiophiles even shun away from class D amps for their SW although they are more efficient.

I am using the Arc Audio XXK4150 now. Just borrowed the Agako Reference 4100 from one friend recently to test that out. After having tried a number of amps starting from Helix Esprit, Helix Competition A4 and now Arc Audio XXK4150, this Agako has made me change my mind about Koreans.

Anyway, it's your money and most importantly you must be happy with it. cool.gif

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am using pdx 1.1000.... but when people ask me to recommend a monoblock... i would recommend mine as well...

unless he wants to take it off my hands with a high price...biggrin.gif

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Anyone tried sps audio? Asked at a audio shop in tmn permaisuri, offered the sps audio speakers to me plus Tweeter for rm 200.
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Sifus, need your help. Actually on a tight budget. need your recommendation on any budget 2ch SQ amp. 50RMS X 2ch is enough.
.........thanks first.....
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robin, for some ppl, helix competition A4 is like god d... including me last time. but later i found out each amp has their own character. and dat determines if u like the amp or not. there are ppl who prefer denon over alpine F1 or ODR. just dat everyone has their rights to choose wats best for them. gud thing dat u wrote ur opinion bout this agako reference for other's future reference, dare to try. smile.gif u r lucky to be able to listen for free. i wouldn't spend 2k+ on dat tho, it's risky. i'm quite 'cheap' actually, when i buy any ICE stuffs, i alwez consider its resale value oso. u get what i mean? brows.gif just for added info, there are ppl who use rockford fosgate old skool amps for SQ, they are very clean, dynamic and detailed. dunno abt the new amps tho.
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old skool amps are always better than new-school in my opinion... because those amps are well built for one purpose, music...

nowadays its more like cost saving... which in turns using lower grade materials... and in the end dun sound as nice as expected... rule is still garbage in garbage out... and many turn to digital because of power efficiency which in turn degrades the analog sound as well...

converting from analog to digital amplify then digital to analog before it send the signal to the speaker is like buying a new CD rip them out to MP3 and burn them...

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so, u r an old skool and analog supporter. just like most old timers. i've listened to ODR system b4, the earliest version really sounds synthetic. but the newer one is much better, not as dull. one fella from team pioneer told me dat it's all about the tuning, as long u have the experience and the skill both digital and analog system will sound as good. smile.gif haven't got the chance to listen to Z1 brows.gif onli 1000 biji in the world.
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QUOTE(craziechild @ Oct 27 2009, 09:19 PM)
old skool amps are always better than new-school in my opinion... because those amps are well built for one purpose, music...

nowadays its more like cost saving... which in turns using lower grade materials... and in the end dun sound as nice as expected... rule is still garbage in garbage out... and many turn to digital because of power efficiency which in turn degrades the analog sound as well...

converting from analog to digital amplify then digital to analog before it send the signal to the speaker is like buying a new CD rip them out to MP3 and burn them...

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BTW to all ICE friends, i am contemplating of selling 2 of my amps as i have too many and they are considered excess. They are one Poweramper QA200x (6ch) and one PPI 2075AM (2ch). Great for complete active setup and passive too covering tweeter/midbass + sub.

Configuration at 4ohm
Poweramper QA200x Class A
6x30w or 4x30w+1x120w or 2x30w+2x120w or 3x120w

PPI 2075AM
2x75w or 1x300w

Looking at RM1500 if buy both for quick sale. Some people are selling >RM2K for the Poweramper 6ch and >RM500 for the PPI individually. Soundwise warm, airy and transparent sound for front and clean dynamic for subs.

If interested, call or sms me 012-6547162

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well... dun get me wrong, i dun look down on digital sounding system when its on rock music... because most of the time i find a digital sounding setup has a lot of dynamics...

anyway... to sound good in both analog and digital setup has a same common way: tuning

and well both are good amps... but try the garage sale section for the sales.. ok? smile.gif

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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Oct 27 2009, 06:09 PM)
robin, for some ppl, helix competition A4 is like god d... including me last time. but later i found out each amp has their own character. and dat determines if u like the amp or not. there are ppl who prefer denon over alpine F1 or ODR. just dat everyone has their rights to choose wats best for them. gud thing dat u wrote ur opinion bout this agako reference for other's future reference, dare to try. smile.gif u r lucky to be able to listen for free. i wouldn't spend 2k+ on dat tho, it's risky. i'm quite 'cheap' actually, when i buy any ICE stuffs, i alwez consider its resale value oso. u get what i mean? brows.gif just for added info, there are ppl who use rockford fosgate old skool amps for SQ, they are very clean, dynamic and detailed. dunno abt the new amps tho.
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ICErs, Tuning and scratching actually. To me... I'll go to reading section first lah. Hobbies will last forever. I've been reading the 12volt.com, bcae1, caraudohelp,thielesmall, and bla bla for the past 1 year but still no improvement till now. haha. I understand few things from you all and thanks alot.

Nice set up still need to match the cars, amp to speakers, cabin gain, sound deadening, crossovers, what music, what taste, how loud, and importantly the listener either ourself, our kids, our wife/s (hehe), the crowd, or the judges.

Well, I'll go for the 4 channel first. I believe that what i am going to is a wasting for some guys but yup, we're young and bored right? haha. even we're turn 65 next year.
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Hi i m newbie here... i know a lot of sifu here... i just wanna get some opinion from you all....

I have decided to spent 5k in car sound system.
I prefer Sound quality (SQ). Thus what combination is the best? drool.gif drool.gif
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5k includes cd player or not..?


Added on October 28, 2009, 4:20 pm
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Sifus, need your help. Actually on a tight budget. need your recommendation on any budget 2ch SQ amp. 50RMS X 2ch is enough.
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QUOTE(naetto92 @ Oct 28 2009, 11:30 AM)
ICErs, Tuning and scratching actually. To me... I'll go to reading section first lah. Hobbies will last forever. I've been reading the 12volt.com, bcae1, caraudohelp,thielesmall, and bla bla for the past 1 year but still no improvement till now. haha. I understand few things from you all and thanks alot.

Nice set up still need to match the cars, amp to speakers, cabin gain, sound deadening, crossovers, what music, what taste, how loud, and importantly the listener either ourself, our kids, our wife/s (hehe), the crowd, or the judges.

Well, I'll go for the 4 channel first. I believe that what i am going to is a wasting for some guys but yup, we're young and bored right? haha. even we're turn 65 next year.
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whats scratching?

and why wasting time?
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Hahaha craziechild, Im amateur enough scratching my head to do the tuning things la. And still dont get what I want. Of course I do with the 4'' try looking good bass. Now I boxed it, with 1 inch port. If I had done it earlier.... hhahaha.
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My 5k budget is excluding HU.... Thus what will you all recommend? Really need your help....

another question.... do you all heard of rockford fosgate 360? is that a good equalizer?
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My 5k budget is excluding HU.... Thus what will you all recommend? Really need your help....

another question.... do you all heard of rockford fosgate 360? is that a good equalizer?
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For the price of of the RF 360, you can get a very good HU. Unless you insist on the OEM integrated HU outlook of your car, then it may worth a try. The problem is OEM integrated HU has very weak pre-output, hence less than desired SQ. The RF 360 is merely a processor and boosting up the original signal may render the result unnatural.
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QUOTE(robinhood @ Oct 29 2009, 10:35 AM)
For the price of of the RF 360, you can get a very good HU. Unless you insist on the OEM integrated HU outlook of your car, then it may worth a try. The problem is OEM integrated HU has very weak pre-output, hence less than desired SQ. The RF 360 is merely a processor and boosting up the original signal may render the result unnatural.
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with budget 5k may i get a good SQ system for my car?
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for about RM5200 i can get you
Steg K402 amplifier, Eton RS 160 components and Peerless XLS sub.
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Sifu Uncle Soong has answered. rclxms.gif
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how bout Ameron? nice or not?
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Sifu Uncle Soong has answered. rclxms.gif
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In fact, already retired from ICE!! sad.gif
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wa, so humble of u. smile.gif ur retirement means sold all ur stuffs or not changing anymore?
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no more upgrading deem worthy... and minor maintainance kua... hehe...
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steg k402 alone how much? is it new?
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u check his sales thread la. used, rm2600 if i'm not mistaken.
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wa, so humble of u. smile.gif ur retirement means sold all ur stuffs or not changing anymore?
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No more upgrades, just maintain the 2 systems as they are.
Retiring because recently very busy and seldom find time online and attending TTs. sad.gif

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Me certainly not a sifu.
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cannot retire yet. now got brax matrix amp to upgrade your GE drool.gif
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QUOTE(raymondyap1943 @ Oct 29 2009, 10:38 AM)
with budget 5k may i get a good SQ system for my car?
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QUOTE(naetto92 @ Oct 31 2009, 09:41 AM)
steg k402 alone how much? is it new?
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u check his sales thread la. used, rm2600 if i'm not mistaken.
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cannot retire yet. now got brax matrix amp to upgrade your GE  drool.gif
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QUOTE(raymondyap1943 @ Oct 28 2009, 03:50 PM)
Hi i m newbie here... i know a lot of sifu here... i just wanna get some opinion from you all....

I have decided to spent 5k in car sound system.
I prefer Sound quality (SQ). Thus what combination is the best?  drool.gif  drool.gif
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for SQ with RM 5K budget you can get

4 mid...2 mid at front and 2 mid at rear...- Hertz but beware fake Hertz
2 amp...4 channel and 1 monoblock - 4 channel Nakamichi, Rock Fox, Infinity, Soundstream
1 12inch subwoofer - Orion, Zeuz, Rock Fox



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that one not SQ la, that one is ABC = Ada Bunyi Cukup, hehehe....

terkedu jap when i read SQ and RockFox in same sentence....lol
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with budget 5k may i get a good SQ system for my car?
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RM5K can get a very decent premium SQ items lor if excluding HU
Recommended the following:
Setup 1
Mcintosh 4ch amp
Vifa 2-way or Focal 165KF or Focal K2P UV

Setup 2
Luxman 2ch amp
Vifa 2-way or Mcintosh 2-way or Focal 165KF or Focal K2P UV

Either one is RM5k thereabout.

Cant go wrong with the stuff above.


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i didnt see boschmann in the list first post in this thread. IMO BM is pretty decent, for newbie to ICE, like me tongue.gif
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VIBE go for which catagorieS?

http://www.vibecaraudio.com/
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depending on series, imho, their 'black box' amps are hi quality. speakers are no big deal. they have some big subs as well.
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But seems like no 1 viewing my topic...
Need help on market price for MTX TS5512-44 subs.

And SIFUs do know the price?

Thanks in advance. notworthy.gif
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....can i know from sifu...what is your recommend for this 2 model monoblock...which one u prefere if u in my shoe

1.NIGHT KIDS D76.MII 1000W
2.Kenwood monoblock kac-8104d

hope your feedback can help me lot
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....can i know from sifu...what is your recommend for this 2 model monoblock...which one u prefere if u in my shoe

1.NIGHT KIDS D76.MII 1000W
2.Kenwood monoblock kac-8104d

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Both are no way to go no.1 Chap Ayam. No.2 Why taking risk on Kenwood.
Can get something better than this two actually if your budget is around 1.5K if dont mind 2nd hand

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Both are no way to go no.1 Chap Ayam. No.2 Why taking risk on Kenwood.
Can get something better than this two actually if your budget is around 1.5K if dont mind 2nd hand
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No.2 Why taking risk on Kenwood. (can i know why u said like that)?
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It is slighly overrated in terms of performance, getting hot and easily activate the protection unlike other class d amp which suppose to run cooler.
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Kenwood is not as good as they advertised. The only thing good is their hu only. And it's not the best in the world. They mostly attack entry lvl market. Imho, not worth to invest in kenwood.
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Kenwood eXcelon series have a good review. But too bad Malaysia not selling.
Anyway there's lots of possible cause to make an amp hot, like :
Using too small power cable
run too low impedance
Don't know why nowadays people like to see big numbers. A pair of good tweeters with 10W of clean power is more than enough to fry your ears.
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never know small power cable cause amps to get hot... only know that when we use small power cables on demanding usage... it may fry the insulator...

well... the norm in today's amplifiers are not much are producing enough clean power that we have to source for big numbers to compensate... and good speakers nowadays are also demanding on the power... matching is the key to these situations...

one more thing is cant compare home setup to a car's on the power side... my DIY amp on my laptop is only producing 10Wrms powering a pair of DIY book shelves and its crazy on spl... but take that same book shelf to car usage... spl are only so so... reason dates back to a lot of electronics reasons... which may differ in every built...

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QUOTE(supersound @ Nov 10 2009, 08:56 PM)
Kenwood eXcelon series have a good review. But too bad Malaysia not selling.
Anyway there's lots of possible cause to make an amp hot, like :
Using too small power cable
run too low impedance
Don't know why nowadays people like to see big numbers. A pair of good tweeters with 10W of clean power is more than enough to fry your ears.
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more power can brings out more details and more linear response for 99% of drivers . There's no stuff with great sound but less power. does it?
Headunit can produce 15rms, but why it sound bad compare to we give it an amp with 30rms?
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When using smaller power cables to car amp, current draw is limited to its size and length. And have to consider the output from alternator also. By using bigger cables(overkills it) will prevent such problem.

Howie : I don't know how to say on this, I'll just relate it to current marketing gimmick. Then it will be much easier to answer your questions. Cannot deny that putting more power from amp to driver do bring out more details, but does it really true clean power we are putting in?
There's always arguement between marketing and technical department on this.
HU's output power is 15WRMS, if you connect it to low efficient drivers, for sure it will sound bad.
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so..ig night kid and kenwood is not recommended...can i know if i want spent around 850..wich monoblock can i get....?i'm in dilemma
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what's your sub's specs?
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just cap ayam one...coustic svc,400 Watt RMS,675 Watts,33 Hz - 150 Hz
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QUOTE(supersound @ Nov 11 2009, 01:00 AM)
When using smaller power cables to car amp, current draw is limited to its size and length. And have to consider the output from alternator also. By using bigger cables(overkills it) will prevent such problem.

Howie : I don't know how to say on this, I'll just relate it to current marketing gimmick. Then it will be much easier to answer your questions. Cannot deny that putting more power from amp to driver do bring out more details, but does it really true clean power we are putting in?
There's always arguement between marketing and technical department on this.
HU's output power is 15WRMS, if you connect it to low efficient drivers, for sure it will sound bad.
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1 thing for sure, no matter how clean the signal is, without proper power, just forget about the control....
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QUOTE(jebon506 @ Nov 12 2009, 08:59 AM)
just cap ayam one...coustic svc,400 Watt RMS,675 Watts,33 Hz - 150 Hz
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single voice coil no need to get monoblock ma

look for 2ch amp, around 100W x 2 also ok

i have an avionixx 800.2 for about RM800, but maybe too much power for your sub, but i think can la, if gains are kept low and volume played no so loud..
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to all sifi.. between alphine pdx 100.4 and zapco reference 360.4 amp. which one is better?
hope all de sifus here can give me some advice or other recommendation for SQ. biggrin.gif
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which comp/speakers u planning to power using them? my choice would be zapco. but if the speaker need more than 100w rms then alpine. 360.4 would be gud on high and mid, lower end requires more power. smile.gif
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which comp/speakers u planning to power using them? my choice would be zapco. but if the speaker need more than 100w rms then alpine. 360.4 would be gud on high and mid, lower end requires more power. smile.gif
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if u bridge the zapco for passive setup maybe u can get gud result. if wanna play active, then have to try pdx d. i believe zapco has better potential on the bass section if bridged. if possible try to listen first. i personally dun quite like PDX, design wise is ok, very plastic feel tho, but SQ wise the signal is not so clean for its price, class D ma. haha. may i know how much u got quoted for these 2 amps?
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Nov 12 2009, 06:02 PM)
if u bridge the zapco for passive setup maybe u can get gud result. if wanna play active, then have to try pdx d. i believe zapco has better potential on the bass section if bridged. if possible try to listen first. i personally dun quite like PDX, design wise is ok, very plastic feel tho, but SQ wise the signal is not so clean for its price, class D ma. haha. may i know how much u got quoted for these 2 amps?
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hmmm.. zapco for 1900 and alpine for 26xx. em.. if bridge to passive is it mean de sound will nt so clear? or any recommendation between tat around tat price range?
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26XX? damn, dats expensive for dat kinda SQ. i recommend u to get a 2nd hand amp. gud amps are made to last, and 2nd hand are at least 30% cheaper than new ones. so with 2k, u can a hell of an amp. try to ask zenn bout his STEG K4.02, dats gud shit. STEG + focal is oso a nice combo. smile.gif
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Nov 12 2009, 06:26 PM)
26XX? damn, dats expensive for dat kinda SQ. i recommend u to get a 2nd hand amp. gud amps are made to last, and 2nd hand are at least 30% cheaper than new ones. so with 2k, u can a hell of an amp. try to ask zenn bout his STEG K4.02, dats gud shit. STEG + focal is oso a nice combo. smile.gif
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haha.. i oso got a mind of tat. jz thinking either get zapco or steg n trying to get better combo. biggrin.gif
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if between zapco or STEG to pair with focal, i'll take STEG K series. biggrin.gif of course the price oso differs la.
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if between zapco or STEG to pair with focal, i'll take STEG K series. biggrin.gif of course the price oso differs la.
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any recommendatioon of other amp some more? or any lubang from u? haha..
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i got a lubang for rainbow iPaul 4.300 used 1 yr. price is abt rm1.5k. interested?
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i got a lubang for rainbow iPaul 4.300 used 1 yr. price is abt rm1.5k. interested?
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better thn steg ma? biggrin.gif
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2 diffrent sound. mid and hi is gud, bass is a little dry, so depends on individuals. overall it's a very gud amp for dat price, it's roughly 500 euro for a new one. there are ppl dat dislike steg. for the money u saved can use to do soundproof and buy better cables smile.gif pm me if u r interested to discuss further.
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iPaul! nice amp...
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can someone recommend me a component set that is worth around RM1.2-1.3k?

please be exact with the brand and the model.

does vifa sell component set that comes with the XT25?


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vifa only available as individual drivers, they dont have component sets, but they do supply other ICE brands that use their speakers to make their component sets, like alpine, mcintosh, orion, a/d/s, all once upon a time la haha....old skool stuff

1.2k plus can get DLS R6A, Focal Polyglass, Boston SL60, Alpine Type X, etc etc
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QUOTE(iamkroll @ Nov 12 2009, 09:06 PM)
can someone recommend me a component set that is worth around RM1.2-1.3k?

please be exact with the brand and the model.

does vifa sell component set that comes with the XT25?
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I got my DLS MS6A for RM1.2K.
Actually got a few brand n model out there in between ur budget!

Go out and test.
Then only u can get wat u want!

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will it be cheaper if i get single drivers instead of a component set? planning to go active so i don't need the crossovers. and i want different brands for my tweets and drivers.

just out of curiosity, how much is the vifa XT25 tweeters?
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xt25 is probly around 700-800, cant remember....
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CALIBER go for which catagorieS?
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go for chicken factory... hehe...
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chicken CHOP... where dealers/retail shop CHOP u up nicely tongue.gif
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hahaha...

BOSCHMANN? go for which catagorieS?
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caliber, if old old units, can be medium range american products
if its new, probly china made using the caliber name, since its an old brand.

boschman also in ayam category, unfortunately
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mohawk go for which catagories?
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I won't judge like this. I will judge the brand by my personal budget.
And the term "best" or "worst" is subjective.
For me, $/performance ratio is more important and have to see all inter-related equipments.
For my case, worst brands will be Mcintosh, Tru Billets, Brax, Sinfoni, Genesis due to $/performance is out.
Best brand will be JL Audio, Pioneer Premier, RF Power OS series(smuggle from US direct and I'm using JL Audio) because the $/performance is ok.

Another factor that I will label it as worst brand is fakes that flying around. Fakes can fly around is because they want to increase profit margin and let third party to manufacture them. Brands like Focal and DLS falls under this. They are ware of fakes but never take a better measure to prevent this. Instead, they fry up the price more by urging people to buy from authorized dealers(which they sell fakes also sometimes). The only way to prevent fakes is they manufacture them directly by not letting third party to do the job.

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well most of the brands you dislike... manufacture themself le...

anyway... let the list be a collective of reputable brands that is realiable and recommended...

sound wise to everyone is subjective... price wise is a out of topic subject as well... because when you really search for the good sound... money is secondary... the least you have to do is just play around with your budget... i dun recommend high end setup if one doesnt have the knowledge...
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ICErs generally look for the equipment that gives the best sound up to their budget. If you go for price/performance you should just stick with stock. Cause stock is already paid, therefore its theoretically rm0, so price/performance will be through the roof.

Serious/audiophile ICE is like F1 racing. Get the best performing equipment with your budget at hand. Then tune and tune again to maximise the equipment that you have.
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QUOTE(CaptDupe @ Dec 3 2009, 12:32 PM)
ICErs generally look for the equipment that gives the best sound up to their budget. If you go for price/performance you should just stick with stock. Cause stock is already paid, therefore its theoretically rm0, so price/performance will be through the roof.

Serious/audiophile ICE is like F1 racing. Get the best performing equipment with your budget at hand. Then tune and tune again to maximise the equipment that you have.
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cap ayam bro....
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hahaha....all brand are " cap ayam"...
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^I won't say a brand is cap ayam directly.... Each grade of the amps listed got their market segments and that's personal taste when judging how good they are.
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hi end and low end, basically are classified by their recommended retail price. it's not up to the manufacturer to say hi end speakers. when comparing items in ICE, we compare those in the same pricing category, then we figure which is the best bang for bucks within that particular category. and every man has their own taste, not everyone likes brax or sinfoni. i'm not saying dat all hi ends sounds gud nor all ayam sounds bad, but dats how it's classified according to price and fame worldwide these days. Marketing RULEZ... like the old saying, cheap things dun come gud, gud things dun come cheap.
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where is TS...
just found out... DENON is not in the list...
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hahaha....all brand are " cap ayam"...
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in car audio you get what you pay for la bro....

thats why i always advise, if your budget is tight, better buy 2nd hand branded ones instead of cap ayam new ones.....


craziechild.....i think the denon one a bit of oversight on our part because its not sold in malaysia.......

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what about kennon? just saw their shop in rawang lately.. is dis imitate brand oso? a.k.a ayam brand?
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what about kennon? just saw their shop in rawang lately.. is dis imitate brand oso? a.k.a ayam brand?
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well if u said cap ikan oledi,suppose its an immitation rite? buttt..i saw their ads in magz,n ofkos, the shop.. already ask dat shop. its canadian brand, assembly in malaysia. seem suspicious rite? well for budget-savvy like me,naahhhhh like some sayin' it here, its tuning factor. brows.gif
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^Nope, cap ayam means using lower quality stuffs. It may not last long. Alot of brands can say it is designed in somewhere, but that's not important. More important is the QC for it. Like some exepnsive brands, they have 2 place that makes them. 1 is the brand's country of origin another is by their OEM factories. Some acc shops dare to sell stuffs from OEM with the price of from country of origin. Just like handphones.

Best still, work aorund with your budget. As long as they don't produce noise, it is decent for you. Sometimes cheaper stuffs do sound good, depend to what level you are.
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QUOTE(cengkoi @ Jan 19 2010, 05:16 PM)
well if u said cap ikan oledi,suppose its an immitation rite? buttt..i saw their ads in magz,n ofkos, the shop.. already ask dat shop. its canadian brand, assembly in malaysia. seem suspicious rite? well for budget-savvy like me,naahhhhh like some sayin' it here, its tuning factor. brows.gif
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^^^^That's why I always say, cheating a newbie is very easy.
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post Jan 20 2010, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jan 20 2010, 04:43 PM)
^^^^That's why I always say, cheating a newbie is very easy.
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ha,quite agree wit dat. conning a newbie can be very easy heh heh but let share dis kennon links :

Kennon

new brand ah?
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Hahaha...some would say cap ayam...

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^I won't say like that at any 1 time. Each brand got its class. Just like cars.

cengkoi : Well, have to see the amp's price first. If rm150-350 for a 4 channel amp, I may consider. Or I will say, Kennon's amp price range is around there.
Some simple guide to you, try to do as much homework from the net then start comparing price from 1 shop to another. Then when doing installation works, supervision is very important. If you are not there, alot of hanky panky may happen.
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Put your self in the manufacturer's shoes, do you wann to target mass market or niche market?
Mass market will have better volume.
Niche market will be otherwise.

Analogy to this, Cd's like Black Eye Peas(generic CD) Vs Dianna Krall(audiophile CD) which has better sales world wide?
If you are into the music business, and you have a choice to get either one record license to sell/distribute in South East Asia, which would you choose?

So there's no really bad amp for anybody. If an A person can afford a RM3K amp, so thats a good amp for him/her.
If B person can only afford a RM300 amp, thats a good amp for him/her too.

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If one were to be a pure seeker in high-fidelity hifi system, the person would buy the best amp, best HU, best speakers and etc...
Having a RM30K amp, RM20K HU, RM30K speakers and etc... + superb tuning/installation skills, would you be able to achieve 'audio nirvana' ?
Some might be happy some might not. It depends on the maturity level or exposure to music.
Ex: when I was young, I never like Bittergourd but now as I crazed for Bittergourd cook with chicken.. nice:)

Please dont be confuse here, I'm not saying that a RM30K speakers will NOT sound good whereas a RM2K speaker will sound better.

I still believe having the best hardware to achieve 'audio nirvana'. But then again having the best hardware + superb tuning/installation skills still will NOT be able to achieve but with better hardware it makes life a little easier.
Why?
-cause to build a hi-end system is NEVER about plug-and-play.
To me in my opinion and pls dun flame me, the route is 'customized' setup.
Ex: Some people like to use the word customized sub box by juz building one enclosure and expect to get it right cause they based on manufacturer's recommendation or using winISd.
Those are just theoretically values which can be accurate, but NOT optimum!!!
Why NOT build 4-10 different enclosure and you might juz get the sub sound even better!!..

Let talk more about a RM20K amp/HU, is it the best amp/HU? Well it could be as compared with the rest. But is it the best amp for the music?
Most probably NOT!!
It could have a very good amp topology design, but fail to have premium parts in it.
Example -
Why still use an opamps where a discrete HDRam are much better
Why use a normal transformer where a pure silver toroidal is even better
Why still use a thin aluminium heat sink+ chasis wher a thick solid aluminium block CNC machined out is even better for lower floor noise
Why the amp chassis go 'zing' when we run our finger across the chassis/heatsink where this is what we would hear when its amplified
Why still use a PCB board design where as point-to-point soldering can improved the sound to a few notches up
Why still use carbon potentiometer for volume attenuation where using a single high quality resistor in series with the signal and there is only one switch contact with multiple series resistor tap is better
Why still used the generic switching power supply where it is known to generate 'noise'
and etc...

I guess the reason for the above is cost. A pure silver toroidal transformer can cost up to a brand new honda accord. A block of Alumimium CNC machined out just for a single amp, will cost several thousand of dollars
So in conclusion to me at least, a RM20K amp/HU is still far away from achieving 'audio nirvana'...

The above statement is strictly based on my personal opinion and as you know music is always subjective to different people.
Analogy to this- If A person were to drive a Evo9 he/she would like to hang out with all the crazy car mods guys as we have the same level of interest/exposure/goals BUT you can never expect B person who believe in pump and drive to mix with them. Hence different opinion!!...


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QUOTE(supersound @ Jan 21 2010, 12:45 AM)
^I won't say like that at any 1 time. Each brand got its class. Just like cars. 

cengkoi  : Well, have to see the amp's price first. If rm150-350 for a 4 channel amp, I may consider. Or I will say, Kennon's amp price range is around there.
Some simple guide to you, try to do as much homework from the net then start comparing price from 1 shop to another. Then when doing installation works, supervision is very important. If you are not there, alot of hanky panky may happen.
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To me if you wann near close to perfection install job, an analogy is like this:
Send the car for a premium aftermarket paint job.
Was quoted RM4K for the job. This particular owner is very fussy about everything and he has and 'eye' for paint works.
So if you were to sent to a premium body shop, bare in mind that there will be stages in doing the job.
1. Mudguard/Body knocking to rectify irregular surface - A guy doing it
2. Boh lai and then sanding it down to flat perfect surface - B guy doing it
3. Primer/Basecoat/Clear coat spray - C guy doing it
4. Compounding/Polish to remove surface imperfections - D guy doing it(probably bangla/mynmmar)

Highest paid worker generally will be A,B,C guy.
But overall there's always a main guy(sifu/boss) to supervise overall job or even hands-on on certain areas.

So if this owner wanns near perfection job, I recommended to him that only the so-called 'sifu' should do the whole entire process of the new paint job. No one else should help or touch the car.
That way you can rest assured a quality premium job.
But be prepare to pay extra + more time needed to finish such high premium expectation job.

Conclusion, the owner is nice guy. He juz wanns a peace of mind and job to be done professionally. He understand the whole thing, and without hesitation he juz ask how much more for the 'sifu' to do my car


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^Your reply is too long, I'm very lazy to read it all and have no intention to understand it either. But if you want to say your shop's job is "perfect", I in doubt. There's no perfect job in this world. Reputable shops never do mistakesand pissed their customer off? That will be the best joke ever if got any of such shop dare to say they never.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Jan 21 2010, 06:08 AM)
^Your reply is too long, I'm very lazy to read it all and have no intention to understand it either. But if you want to say your shop's job is "perfect", I in doubt. There's no perfect job in this world. Reputable shops never do mistakesand pissed their customer off? That will be the best joke ever if got any of such shop dare to say they never.
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I don't see that carcrazy has ever mentioned his shop is providing perfect service. Anyway, if the forum is going to turn into a battlefield for those in the ICE business, I think the forum will lose its credibility as a platform for exchange of ideas.

My philosophy for ICE is very simple, "The best set up will be the one that you are satisfied with. Sound quality is always 'individualized' (nobody knows it better than yourself)".

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jan 21 2010, 02:08 AM)
^Your reply is too long, I'm very lazy to read it all and have no intention to understand it either. But if you want to say your shop's job is "perfect", I in doubt. There's no perfect job in this world. Reputable shops never do mistakesand pissed their customer off? That will be the best joke ever if got any of such shop dare to say they never.
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dat shows how short-sighted and arrogant u are. ppl said near perfection, and u get all hyped up... sometimes u need to sit back and relax, dun get so tensed.
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robinhood : I agree with you on this.... But then our local forum is just another place for people to do free advertisments. I'm just 1 of them.

ckmoy007 : Yes sir, you are right. I'm a very short sighted person, especially dealing with people like to justify a crime is right and try to say he is perfect(or near perfect like you said).

Just take below as example :
A young person that just start working buy a Proton Iswara brand new with alot of small problems. What will he do? Visit a forum and open a thread voice out his frustration.

A middle age manager bought a brand new Merc and facing alot of small problems also. But will he visit forum and voice out his frustration? I in doubt on this.

Such scenario will happen in every business. Some will voice out but some won't.
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well... i do agree with R.Hood... but problem arise when sellers tries very hard to "snatch" business...

other situation... i dun see there is any problem with knowledge sharing...

one more thing is... there is a lot of ICErs out there... but there is 2 type of ICErs... one group brand oriented(branding, budget, fame oriented)... the other group are knowledge oriented(tunings, installs, technicalities oriented)...

to spot them... easy...
first one talks about how good a brand is...
another talks about what proper setup is...
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QUOTE(robinhood @ Jan 21 2010, 08:19 AM)
I don't see that carcrazy has ever mentioned his shop is providing perfect service. Anyway, if the forum is going to turn into a battlefield for those in the ICE business, I think the forum will lose its credibility as a platform for exchange of ideas.

My philosophy for ICE is very simple, "The best set up will be the one that you are satisfied with. Sound quality is always 'individualized' (nobody knows it better than yourself)".
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I agree with you too.

You pay for what you like, even though it might be Chap Ayam to some... But when the moment is right, you'll enjoy every single moment/sound of it.

Enjoy your ICE~~
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^^^I will always let my budget do the talking..... But sometimes I just hate when there's a group of people will discriminates such concept.

Cheaper products might have noise issues. But if you have a certain level of skills, you will able to counter such issues. Only those that have no skill will discriminates cheaper brands.
That's why I respect Richard Clark for this. An amp is just an amp.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Jan 21 2010, 06:40 PM)
^^^I will always let my budget do the talking..... But sometimes I just hate when there's a group of people will discriminates such concept.

Cheaper products might have noise issues. But if you have a certain level of skills, you will able to counter such issues. Only those that have no skill will discriminates cheaper brands.
That's why I respect Richard Clark for this. An amp is just an amp.
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Well, brands are serves merely as a benchmark of quality. But it is not necessarily a well-known brand produced the best equipments and meets your needs. The goal post always changes from one person to the other (or as his/her experience evolves).One has to understand the manufacturer's target market and product segmentation as well. Based on my personal experience through various change of amps from Blaupunkt, JVC, Alpine, Helix, Arc Audio and Agako, I find that brands have actually created a lot of misconceptions to the market particularly the Agako amps.

The Agako Reference amps has indeed open my eyes on how wrong can those brand orientated groups are. By the way, don't forget the forum dynamics as well. The more u talk about it, the more popular it becomes (either the positive way or in the contrary) cool2.gif

Same thing goes to speakers, some people proclaimed Focal K2P are lousy speakers with harsh tweeters, but have they really heard of a well-tuned system yet???? ICE is not merely about brands anyway. I don't think I need to elaborate on the ingredients in the journey to audio nirvana again (since it has been comprehensively covered earlier).
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1. I agree with you on this.

2. I not agree with you on this. Reason is, our local forum is run by acc shops or people that have direct interest on this field while other countries forum are mixed by all level people, from acc shops, manufacturer to end users. I don't see any forum dynamic over here, I see only free advertisments by few acc shop's personal.
I like Agako amps basicly, based on the price/performance ratio. But later I have to sell them off because I need more power and channels for my new setup. And the price I can get them is the price I'm getting Jl Audio amps from US.

3. Focal speakers..... The reason 1 get the tweeters with harsh sound is maybe fake sets. Who knows? That's why I always hate a brand that has fakes around.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Jan 23 2010, 10:25 AM)

2. I not agree with you on this. Reason is, our local forum is run by acc shops or people that have direct interest on this field while other countries forum are mixed by all level people, from acc shops, manufacturer to end users. I don't see any forum dynamic over here, I see only free advertisments by few acc shop's personal.
I like Agako amps basicly, based on the price/performance ratio. But later I have to sell them off because I need more power and channels for my new setup. And the price I can get them is the price I'm getting Jl Audio amps from US.

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Are you also one of the forummers who have direct ICE business interest?? rolleyes.gif Well, this is just what I deduced from the replies I saw from other threads. whistling.gif There is nothing wrong in advertising your products or services but I think you should be more open to opinions. ICE is not 1+1=2. Don't get me wrong. I am not judging you, but this is just my personal opinion.

It is unavoidable that forums are used as a platform for free publicity. Even the mycarhifi forum which proclaimed to be a 'clean' forum is tainted. Worse, one of the moderators has a direct business interest and there are efforts to quiet those who try to expose them too.

As for the newbies, they should learn and filter what ever is necessary. Do your research and homework. Make price comparison and experience various set ups before jumping to the bandwagon because ICE ain't cheap.

Lastly, ICE is only a hobby. One doesn't need to be too hard on it....relax and enjoy your music cool.gif

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^Basicly, I sell speakers is just to get lower price when I'm changing speakers. I treat this as part time job. And have the chance to listen others speaker also, free audition.
Yup, is not wrong to do free ads basicly, but what I don't like is the group bashing that this gang doing.
mycarhifi is run by those acc shops basicly. Is there any effort to quiet others? You are wrong again. As they are moderators, they say the sun is rising from west also can. They can just use their power to slaugther other's post.

Newbies? Yeah, indeed, we can always see newbies trying to ask questions when they have problem. But why? Because nowadays people have not much intention to spend more on acc shops. That's why they open thread here. Changing our experience to them is ok, but then again some acc shops being introduced. How you expect newbies to learn? I in doubt.

Indeed, ICE is hobby, but when there's some jokers say cheap stuffs cannot be listened and always got problem, is this right? For me, this is like a person robbed a bank and say that he is right. For me, with proper skills, it should able to counter potetntial problems. And do you come accross a rm10k hifi set with the active sub internal QC very bad(need to resolder anything inside) and the speaker enclosure leaking?
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Need some advise from u guys.

Isit BM VTK-S12 is a acceptable sub for SPL and how durable?I'm going to get 2 of those to add in my car which is currently running on Mid and components only.Wanna add some heart pounding.

So 2pcs of BM VTK-S12 1300W 4Ohm Double voice coil and a MA Audio MA-3001D 600W RMS Class-D Monoblock.

Spec of amp:

300W RMS @ 4 Ohm
600W RMS @ 2 Ohm
Max Power: 1400W PMPO
PWM MOFSET switching power supply
Adaptive Class D technology
High powered transformer
High powered stacked inductor
Pure N-channel design
Doubles power into 2 ohms

Possible to wire both sub into 2ohm with that amp bridged?How?Or i need more juice/other high RMS monoblock?

Thanks

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