REAL CROWNED CHAMPION KING OF THE KING : LX3

read link below :
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Q408enthusiastgroup/


Topic latest updated at page 44 : Forummer kevin7ae bought full set of lens for lx3

Market price : Rm 1480(no memory card) to Rm 1550(with 4 gig pana card) for black and silver (Please note that this is not WTS thread,Im not selling this camera nor selling pictures)

Currently with Version 1.0
version 1.1 with more improved AWB firmware out on 15th december 2008

link to update firmware 1.1 : http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/dsc/.../LX3/index.html

In firmware 1.1 : Performance tweak log files :

Compatibility update for the DMW-FL220 flash unit.
Improved auto white balance performance.
Improved auto focus performance.

Bintang maju and foto edar in BB plaza still got stock for black

Superb DSLR replacement camera with full manual function for user that want a small size camera.

Loaded with main features : 24mm, LEICA F2.0 lense,1/1.63 sensor,burst flash,hot shoe,HD video,Venus engine 4 and much more.



LX3 accesories :









Spec:


Click this link for "ISO noise test only" LX3 vs ricoh GX200 Vs sony dSLR A200
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=18873237

From Lyn user: Daruma


Review and camera hotlinks:
Panasonic Main LX3 site, must click

http://dcuser.net/panasonic/panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx3.html

http://www.panasonic.net/pavc/lumix/lx3/high_image.html#no02

http://www.steves-digicams.com/pr/panasoni...008_lx3_pr.html

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08072102panasoniclx3.asp

Compilation of picture from new user,newbie,guru,dslr user of LX3 :

Walking ant,Hard to take non static pictures with no tripod


100% crop shot to see ant details


new owner of kevin7ae


new owner of kevin7ae


new owner of kevin7ae


LX3 pictures link..click to see for image



This post has been edited by RoxyGal: Dec 20 2008, 05:18 PM

How can this be the 'king of the king of digicam' and the 'Best digicam with 1/1.63 sensor size' when it isn't even out yet?

Have you even tried it to make those sweeping claims?

http://www.lawrenceripsher.com/blog/2008/0...lx3-review.html

http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews_pan...mix_dmc_lx3.php

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/digitalcamera...3812104p,00.htm








LX3 , f/2.8 , 60mm , iso400 (photoshop reduce noise, still retain more details than a200)
A200, f/5.6 , 60mm , iso1600
LX3 , f/2.8 , 60mm , iso400

LX3 can perform just as good A200 in low light, @ lower ISO and bigger apperture.

This post has been edited by daruma: Oct 15 2008, 09:06 AM

Nono, we should suggest all the DSLR users to sell off theirs and get this since this is the king

expensive or not this lx3

sure more expensive than G9

d***. I just bought 40D. I'll sell it off to get this instead....

leica lens weih... leica lens!!!!!!!

>>>Aperture values • Wide: F2.0 - F8.0 Tele: F2.8 - F8
ganas wooo....

>>> can take video somemore..
(ur DSLR can take video or not??? )

Mine can. But frame rate 6.5fps only la...

You guys really crack me up!

what external flash can use on this cam?

This would be a good backup cam. King of PnS is more accurate. Move over G9.

knowing panasonic, the sensor proc would be crap. Hopefully fuji can land the killer blow provided they stop with the mp race. They already got phenomenal dynamic range.

agree. Panasonic jpeg processing is one of the worst especially low light. But we never know. Let's wait
for review.

from the spec this would be the best point n shoot camera out there..

want to ask one noob question, PnS or Point and Shoot is it mean taken picture by see LCD screen?

i guess point n shoot camera more like a camera that u can grab from the table and immediately press the shutter to take pictures...maybe turn a few dial to the wanted mode...

for like dslr cam...usually we need a lot of settings...that leaves to the dslr pro owner to explain

i'm using lx2 too now, really good cam, feels like selling mine to get this

post sample if ISO800 , 100% crop

can take nice pic at ISO1600?
Using same Venus Engine IV proc like Tz-series.
Only Leica and 1/1.63" sensor looks good.
Battery life so, so only.





This post has been edited by yehlai: Jul 30 2008, 01:17 PM

f/2.0-f/2.8 24mm-60mm rocks

sigh.. i just bought a lx2 last moon

buy another Lx3 next moon

aiyoh... u sponsor ar

wen is this lx3 officially available?

how much u bought the LX2??

Been a long time Lumix user, I'm really considering this as the sidekick for my dslr. Come on now, anybody knows when will this be available here? If still not available by September, I'm bringing my money somewhere else

i bought it for 1.5k

http://dp.pconline.com.cn/photoblog/spic_i...479234&pageNo=1

full picture

iso80 & 100 only

ISO800?

Don't even have to try ISO800 - even ISO400 is bad enough . . .

but LX2 almost 2 year model edi.

LX3 might improve alot

hard to say. F50fd is worse than F31fd.

12mp vs 6mp mar...

resize back no help?

hmm... it looks something like the sigma pns.

LX3 @ ISO 3200

http://www.hardwarezone.com.my/articles/vi...?cid=15&id=2630

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Added on August 4, 2008, 9:50 amLX3 tested

http://dcuser.net/panasonic/panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx3.html

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Added on August 4, 2008, 6:14 pmhttp://www.panasonic.net/pavc/lumix/lx3/high_image.html#no02

This post has been edited by daruma: Aug 4 2008, 06:14 PM

It is coming out mid of August.
Retail price at RM1799.
Cheaper than Powershot G9 (retail price RM1999).
Gonna buy this very soon.
But still comparing the FZ28 with the LX3.
Dunno which is better.
hahahah

WHAT!!! KING of the KING of Digicam???
Dude...this cam won't even come close to SIGMA DP1 man, 1/1.63" sensor can't even touch 20.7*13.8mm Foveon X3 Sensor ( The HOLY Grail of digital camera sensor out there!!! ) Don't believe me, go www.dpreview.com and check it out, it will blow u away man...

kl/pj where selling dp1?

This post has been edited by RoxyGal: Aug 7 2008, 05:19 AM

I saw a few Sigma cam reviews on mags before (not sure is the DP1 or not), but they don't seem very good.
Are you sure it is the holy grail of camera sensors?

dpreview say no good wor

Hahahahah.....funny, especially when somebody just called it the Holy Grail


The conclusion on the DP1 from dpreview:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sigmadp1/page21.asp

if u shoot indoor/babes more than monkeys and birds, get a LX3

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Added on August 7, 2008, 8:57 amking must be good in all aspects.

dp1 movie sux

ovie clips

• QVGA: 320×240
• 30 Frames Per Second

This post has been edited by daruma: Aug 7 2008, 08:57 AM

hakka lin...panasonic supporter spotted

Hahahaha.....
Of course babes and scenery shots more

And the DP1 reviews are really bad ler.....how come somebody say it is the holy grail?

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/compact/...07/29/8921.html

come see ISO800/1600 of the king

At first i'm considering this as backup but since Micro Four Third announcement came up, i'm gonna wait for that.

might need to wait till LX4

With this LX3 come out TZ series dead alrdy.

all other digicam also die

Olympus micro 3/4 come out will also pawn LX3.
Wait and see.. im gonna wait for micro 3/4 too.
But from rumor, its using Pana's 3/4 sensor also

This post has been edited by yehlai: Aug 7 2008, 01:52 PM

i also die...... why lar... bottom itchy go buy lx2 ?

maybe better in high ISO. but not much chance you'll get 24mm f/2.0-f/2.8

it's olympus and panasonic joint make it wan..

maybe olympus can help built lx4...water and drop proff also

Micro 3/4 is interchange, want pancake lens or super wide also can

This post has been edited by yehlai: Aug 7 2008, 02:08 PM

then wait for LX4..

Micro 4/3 might can use 4/3 lens!!
Good news for current 3/4 user!!
http://www.digitalcamerareview.com/assets/19675.gif



Announce micro 3/4 just right after launch LX3. Bad timing

SOURCE

This post has been edited by yehlai: Aug 7 2008, 02:28 PM

dun want interchangeble lens ler. pricy

Its very attractive for current E-5x0 and E-4x0 user. Can get at 2nd hand market ma, so cheap.

Yo..did u check out the sample image of DP1 in dpreview...look at the pictures itself...and i say Faveon X3 is the best sensor out there not the camera itself...read what i say carefully and since DP1 use this sensor it can produce very nice and accurate color. Aren't u guys judge a camera by the picture quality?
And how can someone say Fuji F100 not nice a? my fren show me some of the pictures he's taken with the F100, i tot it was taken by his D80 until he told me it was F100..
And the main reason to buy a DIGITAL CAMERA is to take still pictures..if u wanna take good video then get a Video Recorder not a digital camera, if digicam can take video as good as those camcoder then who is going to buy or use those camcoder?

You have so much money buy both ah?
hahaha....

If u read the DP1 review carefully, u will find that dpreview complained a lot on the photo quality of the DP1.

Conclusion - Cons
Desaturated and 'flat' JPEG output
Some chroma noise even at base ISO, lots of it at higher sensitivities
Unreliable White Balance (and poor color in low light)
Generally very slow, very long read/write and processing times
Unimpressive shutter lag
Continuous mode only allows three shots per burst
Very slow Auto-Focus
Auto Focus gives up completely very quickly in low light (and there is no AF help light)
28mm fix focal length limits applications (but you know that before you buy)
Lens prone to flare (using the optional lens hood helps)
Red channel clipping
Low resolution screen that is also prone to reflections and smearing
Preview and playback view are both inaccurate (but in different ways)
Low refresh rate results in slightly jerky live preview image
Preview image turns monochrome in low light
Longwinded menu structure, few external controls (plus almost redundant zoom buttons)
Black writing on black buttons hardly readable
Battery life not impressive, indicator not very precise
Underpowered Flash, slightly unreliable flash exposure and slow flash recycling
No live histogramm
No highlight warning in review mode
Image parameters cover only small spectrum
Low quality video recording
Gridlines cannot be diplayed in Manual Focus mode
Quite heavy vignetting at F4
You can't shoot RAW and JPEG (only one or the other)
No macro mode
Highest sensitivity only ISO 800


Given this long list of "Cons" isn't exactly something I would call a "holy grail".

Oh My God u didn't get it do u....i say the Foveon X3 Sensor is the Holy Grail of digital imaging sensor out there at this time not the Sigma DP1...ok, i admit that the Sigma DP1 is not the best camera out there in terms of capability or functions, in fact if u look at the spec it doesn't make much sense also...fixed 28mm-F4 lens with no zoom and the huge price tag(800USD according to dpreview), can get a D80 with that price man...the most i can say is a good sensor stuck in a not so good camera, and since it's the only camera on the market i know of that has this sensor,i automatically assume that this is the best consumer "Fixed Lens Digital Compact Camera" out there....but to tell u the truth the picture it produces really blow me away, i like the color very very much...and the sharpness per pixel of Foveon X3 is much better than conventional sensor..i've never seen a compact camera that can produce this kind of quality and i'm all about picture quality, the rest comes second...and below is the quote from dpreview about the Foveon sensor :

"Foveon's sensor instead of having a single photodetector at each pixel location has a multi-layered design which has the equivalent of a red, green and blue photodetector at each pixel location. This means that instead of having to interpolate the values of neighboring pixels the X3 sensor 'sees' full color at individual pixel locations. This is pretty much the 'holy grail[U]' of digital image sensors, it should mean ultra sharp, detailed images with full color single pixel resolution."

U can find more info about the sensor at this link - http://www.dpreview.com/news/0202/02021102foveonx3tech.asp

Guess u miss it since u don't read the whole thing...hope i don't offend u but from what i can tell u are not very good at looking at pictures also...or u didn't download the sample picture and take a look at it? Well i hope u read this reply carefully cause i don't want to repeat the same thing over and over again,hope this will clear up the confusion..and by the way i didn't have D80 or F100, it's my friend, guess u're the one that didn't read carefully

Hahahahaha.....
Don't worry, no offense taken.
And truth be told, I skipped everything and directly went for the conclusion on the DP1.
hahahaha.....

Anyway, what makes a cam good, doesn't depend on 1 component or 1 chip in the camera.
Your holy grail stuck in a cheap built cam will still make it a cheap cam with not so good photos (at least not as good as it should have been).
So, unless guys like Panasonic/Canon start using this kind of holy grail sensors, I guess the LX3 will still be way better than the DP1 in terms of a lot of things (including photo quality).

Just my opinion:
You like the photos of the DP1 doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same.
And I see the conclusion of dpreview and they don't even mention the photo quality of the DP1 as a plus point.
So....maybe you are one of the rare fans

Well ur rite, a good camera doesn't only depend on 1 single component....a modern digital camera actually has 3 major component that i think is the most important in determining a good camera....
1.) The Lens - this is the major factor that affects the quality most...a good lens will make a lot of difference in terms of picture quality, sharpness, color and most importantly...bokeh or depth of field....

2.) The Sensor - this is one of the most misleading or confusing information that has confuse consumer for a very long time..i think most of u guys already know it but i'll just say it anyway, more megapixels doesn't mean better quality..it all depends on a sensor size...for example a 12mp - 1/1.6" sensor will not look better than a 6mp - 1/1.6" sensor...this is due to the large amount of photosites they need cram in a small space...and the only way to cram it is to make it even smaller than they already are!!! Photosites is used to catch light in the sensor and then convert them into electricity thus making them into a digital signal...small photosites are not as good as catching light compared to the bigger photosites in a larger sensor found in D-SLR..(mind you that 1/1.6" sensor is only around 8 x 6mm while Nikon DX format is 23.7 x 15.7mm...that's several times bigger than 1/1.6" sensor), because the signal that the small photosites gather is weaker they have to bump up the signal to get a better picture, but when u bump up a weak signal then the noise gets bump up as well, so thats where all the noise come from..another thing that i don't like about small sensor is the ability to control the depth of field..if u notice, a compact camera doesn't produce as much bokeh as D-SLR does because of the sensor size..so big sensor big bokeh, small sensor limited bokeh
To tell the truth i'm actually sick and tired of this megapixel race where they put as much pixel as they can in a small sensor without considering the consequences. so please forgive me if i don't have anymore confident with a large megapixel,small sensor type compact camera ...

3.) The Processor - well the first one to brand and promote a camera processor is Canon i think, with their DIGIC processor..so what do processors do? the sensor read the light and then converts them to signals, then who convert the signal back to a picture...the processors la...the processor(lets call it CPU) is responsible for constructing the signal as well as managing the picture quality..the CPU actually controls the white balance, color saturation and most importantly noise reduction (these r only some of the things that a CPU controls)..a same sensor on a different CPU will yield different results. even with the same sensor and the same CPU which has slightly different algorithm will produce different result also, in the end it all comes down to what the manufacturer sets them to be..some people like to bypass the CPU by taking raw picture files and then calibrate them using a 3rd party software, eg:Photoshop...

So sorry that this might sound like a lecture but i just want to express whats on my mind for a very long time..
the Sigma might have crappy functions and might not produce an ideal looking picture to u but its mostly due to the processor fault (they are not very good in that department anyway)..and it takes a long time to come out with a good processing algorithm to control the overall quality of the picture.... i hope i didn't make any mistakes and hopefully this will provide some info to anyone wanting to learn more about photography.Thanks

Walaoeh.....marvelously detailed post!!!
I like it very much~!
hahahaa....

And I wholeheartedly agree with u on the megapixel race.
It is almost like the old MHz/GHz race for the PC.
Just some marketing hoax to attract people to buy a new PC.
And on my old Lumix, I absolutely see no difference between a 6megapixel photo and a 3megapixel one (except the file size).

anothher test
http://www.dcfever.com/news/readnews.php?id=2280

Well, if you can't see the difference between a 6mp and a 3mp photo, then its no wonder you can't differentiate between photo quality!

No offence intended, ya.

Don't zoom in 100% u won't see any difference la.
And i developed some of them, 3mega and 6mega really no difference on 3R or 4R.
Unless you like to print poster size photos of yourself to hang on your room walls

Wooo..glad u like it...well ur rite again....if u only print 3r or 4r pictures, u will see no difference in 2mp, 3mp,5mp, or even 12mp.(for 4r pictures 2mp is enough edi, anything more than that is a waste)..the big big megapixels is used to print very large pictures, some where from 8r or more...but then,how many people print that size nowdays..but then again, how many people actually go and print their photos nowdays..

it's megasales now. hopefully got special offer

I just went round Melaka asking if any of the shops will be shipping in the LX3 soon.
None of them dare to give concrete answer.
Most of them quoting at least 1 month wait.
Sigh.....
Got money also cannot buy ah.....

need pre-order ka?

Packard Digital Camera quote:

Lumix LX3 + tripod + casing + 4GB SD (high-speed) = RM1750

Lumix LX3 + spare batt (ori) + casing + 4GB SD (high-speed) = RM1880

Can get the cam by next week fastest.


I think package 2 is the better deal.
Any opinions?

wow, i guess that's a relief. i was expecting above 2k.

It was announced quite long ago that the retail price would be RM1799

extra RM160 for the spare battt

normal price how much?

LX3 batt can last 380 shots... maybe no need spare that much

u got ask for fz28 or not?

which shop u went?

great news! sorry didn't follow up after a long time. however after reading much reviews, i'm interested in getting this one

LX3 dont have RAW mode rite?

got la.. can take jpg & raw same time somemore

kns so tempting!!
but still gonna wait for Micro 3/4, it more near to slr.

moments dun wait. $ can earn back

Spare batt (ori) normal price should be over RM180.
I am thinking the same thing.
But I found a spare batt really useful with my old Lumix FX01.
Anyway, i took the one without the spare batt.

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Added on August 14, 2008, 7:13 pmNo wor.
The shop is Packard Digital Camera at Mahkota Parade.
Next to Burger King.

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Added on August 14, 2008, 7:15 pmI don't think it will come out so soon.
Probably have to wait another year or so.
And you still don't know how it will perform.

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Added on August 14, 2008, 7:24 pmI just booked my LX3 at Melaka.
Will get the cam next Monday/Tuesday.


This post has been edited by PCHo: Aug 14 2008, 07:24 PM

u book without testing 1st ar

when can get?

Read a lot of previews and reviews on it already.
Check out the 1st LX3 review on the net.

http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews_pan...mix_dmc_lx3.php

I like what i see in the LX3.
Anyway, I need it soon, that's why no choice but to settle it fast

My cam arriving this coming monday or tuesday

This post has been edited by PCHo: Aug 15 2008, 08:28 PM

can't trust reviews too much. last time see alpha 200 test ,look goods. but after using it. not as nice as been tested.
they do the test under bright lighting, sure high ISO will look better. if u go take in darknesss, u see all the noise.

also need to feel how it hold in your hands. spec say 27mm thick , but does't look so slim to me


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how they do this test?
1/15th / 72mm

i tot lx3 only 60mm


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ISO400 seems noisy
http://img.photographyblog.com/reviews/pan..._dmc_lx3_24.jpg


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The specification claims that the LX3 is 27.1mm deep, but this doesn't take the lens into account. The true depth is actually 45mm,



This post has been edited by daruma: Aug 16 2008, 10:24 AM