What is Tomato ?



Advantages over DD -WRT
Written by me (This is solely based on my view of point. For some of you you may use DD-WRT if you want all the stuff)

DD-WRT is getting heavier and heavier with all the un-needed stuff. they have included a lot of un-needed stuff and the router tends to hang from time to time because of this (the older ones were just fine ). Next I've tried OpenWRT , it rocks but pretty much you'll have to configure everything by hand and it sucks big time for lazy people like me. Then i came across with Tomato. At first after trying it out , it seems to be lacking of something. Eventually , I fell in love with it as its simple , easy to use and has a superb QoS functionality (you'll only get that sort of QoS if you pay for the DD-WRT firmware) and as for OpenWRT you'll have to use SSH/Terminal and do it via the terminal (command prompt). Overall , it seems to be pretty good



»» Routers that are known to work with Tomato:


Screenshots



More Information : http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato

Download link : http://www.polarcloud.com/f/Tomato_1_19.7z

I'll be posting mine soon


Live Demo : http://lampiweb.com/tomato/status-index.htm
Here we go peeps , lets discuss. Contribute !

This post has been edited by prasys: Jun 24 2008, 05:44 PM

Woot
at last, Tomato firmware thread

jump from DD-WRT to Tomato mainly because they do not provide speed control in the QoS (DD-WRT need to purchase special edition to have that sort of features)

Tomato may lack some features
but for home usage, it serve me well

after using quite some time, i do agree that Tomato are much lighter than DD-WRT (especially v24 standard)

Why Dun Have Tomato Firmware For Belkin.

SAD

I do have to agree that tomato is way to lighter (sure it may lack of certain stuff) but its way better then DD-WRT in many ways. Elegant , simple and it gets done things right. before this DD-WRT was something like that , but now they have messed it up totally by adding unwanted stuff

bro, im runnning ddwrt v24 now on WRT54g v2.2. If i want to switch to Tomato.
Just flash it on conf page?

This post has been edited by xjukie: Jun 20 2008, 04:49 PM

Yeah you can just flash it using normal method. But keep in mind you need to restart your settings. do a hard reset as DD-WRT config doesnt work with Tomato. So you'll have to do a hard reset after flashing and re-configure your router

Is Tomato capable to increase signal strength? Seems like Tomato have more happy users than DD-WRT judging from comments I Googled.

I also ex-DDWRT switch to tomato user....Damn happy with it.
Lean, clean and fucntional..
DD-WRT is like a FAT lady while tomato is slim little sexy babe...hahaha

if you need freaking good function then go for DD-WRT, it is just got so many amazing function....
while Tomato firmware got its best QoS and snother thing is you dont need to reconnect to the router after you save change(most of the module)..it will just restart the affected service. Example like we tmnut user always have to recoonnect to get the best connection, if you are using DD-WRT you will need reconnect to the router but Tomato firmware wont.

im still learning to adjust the QoS....any master can post some tutorial?

This post has been edited by tvcat: Jun 20 2008, 10:26 PM

I am writing one tutorial for QoS...give me some time !

succesfully flashed my ddwrt v24 wrt54g to Tomato haha
pretty good for user need stability with small, lean firmware

personally I suggest to use Tomato if your router have large memory, eg. 32MB or above.

does tomato QoS has the ability to set bandwidth control for each client connected like what they had in paid version of DD WRT?

and frankly speaking, i never did successfully configured my QoS in DD-WRT. Hope tomato QoS is simpler and better

i'm really looking forward to that function.

Yes it does. Keep in mind that the qos is advance it might take sometime for you

Nice article to read though
http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/02...nner-is-tomato/

This post has been edited by xjukie: Jun 22 2008, 01:22 AM

i failed thoroughly setting QoS in DDWRT V23 SP2 and yesterday i tried V24, it got even worst, the router automatically reboot every 5 minutes or so if i enable QoS and heavy traffic flow.

things is that i do not have much chance to sit there all day and play around the setting cuz there's 3 other person in my house needed the connection.

will give tomato a try some time next week

anybody did QoS for deluge?
i tried but it seems that deluge manage to pass through QoS...
maybe my setting is not correct...

This post has been edited by blackorange: Jun 23 2008, 05:00 PM

anything with encryption pretty much bypasses the QoS. You should include it in other TCP/IP traffic as bulk or the lowest

hey guys
did u guys try the Tomato SpeedMod?
or
Tomato Firmware Mod's by Victek?

I'll be giving the modded version a shot

haha
i google the "Tomato SpeedMod"
and a lot of positive feedback about that firmware
does Tomato OpenVPN version support buffalo router such as WHR-HP-G54 and WHR-G125?

This post has been edited by azim61: Jun 24 2008, 06:33 PM

cool...I already flashed my WRT54GL with latest tomato speedmod. First thing I notice is my free memory increase from 2.2mb to 4.2 mb...NICEEE

wow the speedmod firmware has many options. You can increase concurrent connections up to 6000 ! (faster p2p)

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Added on June 24, 2008, 10:51 pmOh My God , the modded version is damn cool

P2P Obfuscation FTW !. i've noticed that my BitTorrent speed rose from 15Kilobytes/sec to 30 Kilobytes/sec !

This post has been edited by prasys: Jun 24 2008, 10:51 PM

Wow..where to set this "P2P Obfuscation" ? Cat seem find it...

im running tomato 1.19 now on wrt54g, can just flashed it speedmod tomato on it?
look nice hmmm

Ya...U can. I already direct flash from 1.19 to speedmod tomato.

just flashed it, haha dam farking rawks!
my freee ram's memory increased from 2mb to 4mb
damn sui

glad everyone have nice time with their router
what do u mean by direct flash?
dont have to hard reset or what?

I prefer the modded one as it comes with improved QoS. The speedmod just comes with the speed mod but the modded version comes with improved qos and the ablility to overclock the rotuer's cpu to handle high load !

which one modded ver? not that Tomato Speedmod?

http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=d7e...5941c8f6d1ec491

I am using that

_ Updated to BusyBox 1.10.2 (IP WAN DHCP renew tested and fixed)
_ JHash Conntrack 8092 connection (Speed Mod)
_ Conntrack default values adjusted for high P2P load
_ Theme for visual handicaped
_ Eight additional themes, Bluedream, Enlightenedd, Tijuana, Asus, Linksys, Buffalo
_ Spain TZ included
_ CPU Frequency.
_ Previous IP display
_ Two additional window for Button script
_ Bandwidth Limiter per IP/MAC
_ Code Optimization

It comes with SpeedMod + lots of mods and its way faster. It has improved QoS , which is better then regular Tomato !

http://www.linksysinfo.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57912

prasys how to flash this speedmod on my WRT54GL? Currently using DD-WRT and scare brick the router so better ask before flash.

For DD-WRT , I recommend you to do a clear flash and then re-flash. Downgrade it to Linksys Original Firmware and then flash it from the original linksys firmware. Its far better then DD-WRT. Plus I've been noticing improvement for my p2p connections. Its way better now

My WRT54GL is V1.1, but in Linksys Malaysia only has V1.0 firmware available for download, so should I use this version to flash? Where can I find the correct firmware version?

The other option you have is to do a direct flash. it will work , but you'll have to hard reset your router. That is how I did

I flashed directly from DD-WRT. Then i had to hold the reset button for 30 seconds so that it will remove the old settings !

i flashed from DDWRT, u need to get the router passwd (binary) first before flash it to Tomato.

One more happy tomato user reporting in. My HP-G54 happily chugging along for the last one month without any hickups and I've increase the tx to 72! w00tt

Now waiting for Prasys' QOS ultra leet tutorial with pictures..

u can get the idea for QoSing here http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/10/03/tomato-qos-setup/

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Added on June 26, 2008, 8:32 pmi just discover that SpeedMod tomato not much different from stock Tomato. Now i just flashed to Tomato Victek after being poison from bro prasys.
Much more nice, esp QoS part .. u can QoS based on person instead of general in stock tomato firmware

This post has been edited by xjukie: Jun 26 2008, 08:32 PM

How strong do you guys set your transmit power to be? I'm on 70mW now, will it do any harm to the router or anything? The router is located at a place without fan and aircond, all by it's own.

tomato + mod > ddwrt

prasys... i just got the wrt54gl 2 days ago so i'm good to go for this firmware? Is there anything else that i need to take note of? I scare later kill my own router. THen as for the password and username. Is it the same?

I flashed mine within 5 minutes. For the username and password, both are "admin" in my case, if it won't work try "root". The only thing that troubles me after flashing is that I cannot find the place to enter my Streamyx login details, it's like hidden.

Just in case you are as blur as me, it's at Basic > Network > Choose PPPoE on the drop down menu (Type) under WAN / Internet. It took me quite sometime to look for it as I was searching on every single tab looking for the form, who knows it is hidden—considering I know quite nothing about those things.

Any free wifi signal strength monitor that will display signal strength in %? The bars aren't that reliable IMO.

another tomato-er reporting in!

Are you into p2p ?

yea.. definitely.. thats what streamyx for.

Use Speedmod version or the modded version. It improves overall RAM usage and total number of connections.

i'm using this

so we can say speedmod for p2p geek and victek for superb QoS?

victek is jack of all trades. Victeck mod's includes the speedmod + Improved QoS. But since it has some extras , it doesn't give you as much of Free RAM as Speedmod's firmware. Both do have its pros and cons. If you are more into p2p and you want more memory space , then opt for speedmod. but if you're into qosing and p2p too , then opt for Victek

Just switch from dd-wrt to the tasty tomato. When i'm using dd-wrt v24, i got dhcp problem. Now everything is solved after switch to tomato.

with this tomato.. yesterday i tested at my house.

Compared to stock linksys firmware, i get occasionally high latency and poor connection. But with tomato.. it seems to be gone. I pump up to 70mw and the router doesn't becomes too hot.

u wont regret at all after switched it.

70mW consider safe for the router. But the best is to wait until warranty finish. Open up the router and put some "metals" inside it.

This post has been edited by amyhs99: Jun 28 2008, 04:21 PM

Hmm.. Any firmwares I could use on DSL-2640T

Well Tomato firmware is getting popular and its way better then DD-WRT in many ways. especially when it comes to stability. DD-WRT was once a good firmware and it is now bloated up as windows vista.

i'm using a DSL-2640T currently.. also got a WRT54GS which i'm flashing with tomato atm, but no spare modem so can't test it with internet... well I *could* through the dsl-2640t but it would add a few unneeded ms

I tried flashing it with WRT54GS.bin and it immediately said error, then I tried WRT54GSv4.bin and again a error thing popped up. What should I do?

I'm attempting to put Tomato 1.19.8815 Mod

This post has been edited by Graham: Jun 28 2008, 06:56 PM

Is there a way to completely block P2P using this firmware? I used the access restriction to block it now. But still haven't test whether it is working.

Tomato has the predefined P2P applications/port numbers. Just include them in the access restriction rules and you'll be fine. It is so simple.. anyway, I'm using Tomato on WRT54GSv4 and WRT54GL .. both configured to support AP+WDS and the WRT54GSv4 as the Internet gateway connected to an ADSL modem. Been using Tomato since it was available and love the simplicity ..

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Added on June 29, 2008, 5:34 pmWhat version do you have for your WRT54GS? Version 5 and above I believe is not supported by Tomato. You may need to go for DD-WRT.

This post has been edited by wiraone: Jun 29 2008, 05:34 PM

disagree...Tomato runs perfectly in my WRT54GL V1.1, which has only 16MB...
I only use ddwrt for its universal repeater feature...

ah damn it, it says version 6!

What choices do I have for firmware?

This post has been edited by Graham: Jun 29 2008, 06:11 PM

I have not tried dd-wrt, but I guess you've got no other choice for a third party firmware for your router. When I was hunting for a new router, I specifically looking for WRT54GL since that is the last model that Linksys is selling and have a Linux kernel in them. My wrt54gsv4 was the last version that has Linux in it ..

This post has been edited by wiraone: Jun 29 2008, 07:30 PM

only can go with dd-wrt micro, but get v23sp2 better

other way is get a kerbaus n let it eat some tomatos
WHR-G54S or WHR-HP-G54 should be ok

Ya, get the kerbau or just get WRT54GL.

now no more headeache with the slow connection since my rent house share internet with 5 pc. Before this 1 person running P2P then all network will be congest. After flashed with Tomato with its superb QoS functionality. I can surf the web without any hassle.
1 week uptime no reboot no dc

This post has been edited by xjukie: Jul 12 2008, 02:40 PM

I have trouble configuring the QoS function, it seems that when my housemates uses Xunlei, no matter what I do to the QoS settings, there is still significant lag in the web surfing speed. Max connection is at 4096. no ACK is turned on. Checking the QoS bandwith list, the Xunlei bandwith is in the class I set it to be, which is lowest. I had the maximum upload for it at 50% and download at 40% and yet, it's still hogging the bandwith. Another thing is that, I tried with utorrent and port forwarded it, yet, turning it on would still produce some significant lag to web surfing.

one more thing, how much can I boost the antenna value, since I'm sitting next to the router, I don't want my brains to be fried.

This post has been edited by kaiserreich: Jul 13 2008, 02:41 AM

1) i dont set any Qos, but with heavy torrent, other PCs ddl, still no problem surfing.
what i do is change the Conntrack/Netfilter setting on TCP/UDP Timeout
anyting bigger than 120 change to 120, and anything smaller leave it as it

2) 70 mW should be more than enough

This post has been edited by kitsuna: Jul 13 2008, 07:07 AM

Xunlei uses port 80 - which is HTTP Traffic. You'll have to set HTTP Trafic for yoyur friend. Plus its a bit hard to throttle Xunlei as well as it can jump one port to another and it can bypass firewall !

hello, between kerbao n linksys.. which one can flash back to ori firmware?

Linksys can flash back to its original firmware , not too sure about kerbau aka Buffalo

is it value on the Assured column? mine showing 180

can, but dont use firmware from buffalo site because it is encrypted
need to dl cracked stock firmware from here : http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/down.php?pa...actory+revert+/
only have WHR-G54S / WHR-HP-G54 / WZR-G300N stock firmware
done once before when to send WHR-G54S for waranty, no problem



under Advanced > Conntrack/Netfilter
anything more than 120 (eg : 180, 320, 240), change to 120
if lower than 120, dont change

This post has been edited by kitsuna: Jul 13 2008, 10:36 AM

it uses port 80 for TCP and 15000 for UDP by default, even if I limit the upload bandwith for the port 15000, there appears to be no effect. My housemates are getting pissed and they've decided to put QoS aside and set some time window to download torrent which I do not like. But since I can't get QoS to work properly, i had to yield.

It appears that Xunlei seems to be the cause for the QoS to not work, however, I couldn't understand why turning utorrent on and with it's speed limit turned on in utorrent itself, there would still be lag in the network.

wonder how fast the tomato firmware connecting back the wan IP after disconnecting (PPPoE) ? I'm using dd-wrt v24, and compare with d-link PPPoE, I noticed that d-link PPPoE is much faster then dd-wrt, once I disconnect n connect again, it will get the wan IP, unlike dd-wrt, I have to wait for another 2 or 3sec.

that is because the default page auto-refresh are set every 3 sec
tomato also using the same features, default also 3 secs

but im not sure if can change the auto-refresh timing

This post has been edited by kitsuna: Jul 13 2008, 01:47 PM

You'll have to recompile the whole firmware for that. plus it will tremendously increase the load in the router

hmm, so far having problem with the final version of DD-WRT V24 T_T...Btw does Tomato actually support Kaid? can't find other firmware that does..(except dd-wrt)

OpenWRT does support kaid -> http://www.macsat.com/macsat/index.php?opt...id=49&Itemid=37

new fresh tomato out from the farm already available for grab

http://www.polarcloud.com/f/Tomato_1_20.7z


now wait for Victek to add some spices in it
then can feed mah kerbau

This post has been edited by kitsuna: Jul 13 2008, 02:10 PM

hmm,really eh..maybe i should flash to this XD (woah...so hard to configure =.=")

This post has been edited by Lacus: Jul 13 2008, 02:14 PM

thanks n good, now i start wonder which router should i go for..

You are doing it wrong. You should set up QOS on a per MAC/IP basis. Bascially, your housemates PC should be allocated 1 static internal IP and you give him a max up/down speed and it will not affect the rest of the users.

Just flashed to Tomato Firmware.
Really more light compared to DD-WRT.

-pWs-

Your suggestion literally means spliiting connection rite? I thought that by allocating a max speed, his application would use up the max bandwith allocated and it wouldn't affect other people. If i got 5 people in the house, he's only ever to get 20% max, no?

How do I block P2P applications, such as Ares, Limewire and Bitcomet?
I'm using Linksys AM300 modem linked to Linksys WRT54G router on Tomato firmware.

That can only be done if you limit him via his MAC address or internal IP. That is how I do it and there are no issues at all. The only downside is that they will never be able to use the full speed of the connection at any one time.

Wow so fast already 1.20, i just flashed to 1.19 for my hp-g54!!!
wat value should i set for my wireless power? can anyone give more some info?

I would say set 50-70mW for it. It should be sufficient enough !

usb is still didt work for tomato right?

i'm still getting hard time to get my asus 520GU usb worked at dd-wrt.

Hi prasys, is tat the figure after amplified or before? i know tat my router got the build in amplifier, so i wasnt sure wat is the safe figure for this router thanks in advance!

This is a big downside.

i am usign DD-wrt with my linksys WRT54GL. so far so good. no DC or hang after online for 3 weeks.

DD-WRT???
I think U posting at the wrong thread...
This is tomato firmware....

By the way, any1 try out the latest tomato v1.20 ??

looks like there have some sort of DNS/DHCP bug on 1.20

so better stay on 1.19 1st

more info : http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato

Can anyone help me?
How do I block P2P applications, such as Ares, Limewire and Bitcomet?
I'm using Linksys AM300 modem linked to Linksys WRT54G router on Tomato firmware.

i dun see any options for block .. if QoS can

hi, does flashing linksys router firmware to tomato firmware will void warranty??

technically yes
but you can revert back to stock firmware w/o any problem

QoS dont block, only throttle speed down
need trial n error to make things work

This post has been edited by kitsuna: Jul 19 2008, 12:05 AM

Any updates on the modded firmware of 1.20...Can't wait for it !