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Introduction

Sugar gliders are little marsupials that have been taken as exotic pets in many countries. These creatures are different from normal pet rodents like hamsters, mice and rats. They have character, mood swings, emotional bonds and the sweetest nature for a pet that comes in such a small package. Commonly mistaken as flying squirrels, Sugar gliders can be both easy and hard to take care. Their general care is much more complicated than pet rodents and they require alot of affection and attention from its owners. Look at it this way, gliders are like 3 year old kids.... they act cute and can annoy us sometimes while at the same time needs our total attention and bond.

Sugar gliders are tiny gliding opossums from Indonesia, New Guinea, New Zealand and Australia. The gliders that we get as pets in Malaysia are mostly from Indonesia as the other countries limit or does not allow native animals to be exported in the pet trade. Wild sugar gliders live in colonies of 6 to 15 animals in tree hollows or other nests made of vegetation. They are nocturnal so will mainly spend most of their day time asleep, only waking up at early mornings and late at night to forage for food.

An adult sugar glider is about the size of a flying squirrel, approximately 5 to 7 inches long from tip of nose to base of tail. Adults in proper body condition weigh about 120g. The tail is fluffy, often curls on the end and usually is longer than the body length.

Sugar glider joeys are normally a nice slivery grey but as they age, they will shed away this soft joey coat and replace with their true colours. Some glider colours that we have here are the normal greys and a few shades of browns. Some would turn brown if they constantly stay in coconuts coz it stains the fur. You should not worry about the colour for each sugar glider is unique in its own little way.

Where to get a joey? What age and size?

Petshops and suppliers do sell Sugar Gliders but please be aware if the age and size. Some shops may tell you that the younger the joey, the better but do remember, these animals when young needs milk to stay healthy. Also, our local pet milk or cows milk is not suitable since marsupials cannot tolerate lactose that is higher than 3.5%.

A guide to know which is the right age and which is not.


Never get a joey that looks like this:

Original photo by Hun







Photos as reference from www.glideruniversity.org

Underaged sugar gliders..... never get joeys that look like the ones in these pictures. They still need their mother's milk and warmth, they need more attention and more work than properly weaned joeys. Those pics, the joeys are only 3 weeks old Out Of Pouch.... joeys should be separated when they are more than 8 weeks Out Of Pouch... and that is the minimum age. The best age is actually 3 months....

Some people have experience their joeys dying... WHY? Coz the joey is too young, it is depressed and stressed.... a joey that young that is depress will not have any appetite for food, will catch cold and die coz it gives up living.

You should be getting joeys that look like these:


Orginal Photos by Reanne


Original Photo by Hun

Do get joeys that are older than 8 weeks Out Of Pouch. Never trust what petshops says. If you would like to get from a supplier but have no idea how to see the age or if the seller is responsible, do PM Reanne, krynzpeaches or crazymouse_yyh for guidance and information.

There are many sellers and suppliers here in LYN, so please beware of them. Some may tempt you into getting an underage joey by giving you false information. Some may sell you a pair package in order for a quick sales. Do your research first before buying.

There are a few good homebreeders here but they only have a few joeys available once or twice a year, so this is why it is hard to come about homebreeders.

Sugar Gliders as Pets

Tame Sugar Gliders just make the perfect pocket pet for they can travel anywhere with us in a little bonding pouch. They got happy little personalities that love to play and have physical contact with us. These creatures need attention. They are 100% social animals that live in small colonies in the wild. When we keep them in captivity, we must be able to give them a lot of attention and time. Play, bond, touching and feeding are all little things that we must do each day in order for our gliders to be perfect little healthy pets.

Gliders can live 10 to 15 years in captivity so they are considered a long term commitment. Make sure you can actually care for the glider for about 10 years before you get one.

Gliders are not like dogs, where you can train it with a leash and harness or collar and they can do tricks and come when called. Sugar gliders got minds of toddlers or young children. They need to be socialized and trained as soon as you get them but do not train them as if you would train a puppy. No, they would not react to "Good Boy/Girl, shake hand and beg" kind of training and tricks. Gliders require a soft human touch when training. They can be trained to know their names, just be patient and repeat their names when you cuddle them, handle them, feed them and during play. Gliders will never know where to defecate and relieve themselves like cats and dogs. Litter boxes would not work. These creatures would do it anywhere they please.

Also, gliders are not really domesticated so they do have a few wild habits like scent marking, chewing and gnawing on items or us and also climbing all sorts of high places.

A fact to remember, sugar gliders glide, they do not fly so don't be a genius and try to make your glider fly like a bird. Sugar gliders have a gliding membrane that connects their front paws to their back feet. They will spread open when there is a need to glide. This is why harnesses and leashes should never be on them for it could tear the membrane and hurt them.

Important items to have before purchasing a glider!

- A bounding Pouch and sleeping pouch
- A large cage suitable for the glider in the long run
- Fruits and glider mix (eg: GliderSLURP!(tm)) with supplements
- A container of mealworms or crickets
- Knowledge on sugar gliders and joey care
- Get in touch with someone that has experience with gliders.

Males or Females?

It is best not to get a male and female pair. Why is that so? Well, a glider can live for 8 to 12 years on average. A glider can readily breed once mature, some would start breeding at 8 months old while some start only at 2 years. Yes, it may sound tempting to have little joeys but can you be that dedicated? To sell one off can also be heartbreaking for you. So to avoid such pain and also overbreeding for gliders, you should either have a single sex pair or get the male castrated if with a female.

Is there any difference with males and females? Physically yes, females have a pouch on their tummy, it is like a belly button-kind of opening. Males would have their testicles looking like hanging cherries. The males when they mature, would develop a bald patch on its head. This is normal. The bald patch is the scent gland. Males have another scent gland on their chest and also at the anal area. Females do have scent glands to but only at the anal area.

Males musk, means covering their scent all over their territory. Females will mark but very little.

2 males can get along well if there are no females around. But 2 males can fight if a female is about coz they would fight over breeding rights. 2 females get along well too.

If you want to keep a male without all the musking and territorial attitude, get it neutered at a qualified and experience vet. Remember, your pet can live up to 10 years so make the right decision.

If you are thinking about breeding, please please please do read the caresheets and also research more on glider breeding. This is not simple and in the long run, over breeding can stress a glider and can cause it to have a short life span. Not healthy for them.

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General Breeding Information

In this forum, we do not encourage breeding if you do not have the time and knowledge but here are a few websites to guide you if you are curious to know. Also it has pictures and about joey growth:

http://www.petsugargliders.com/sggrowth.php

About milk for gliders:
http://www.pygmypets.com/sg8.html

Good Care Sheets:
http://www.sugarglidercentral.com/wiki/ind...ider_Care_Sheet
http://www.exoticpetvet.com/breeds/sugarglider.htm
http://www.sugar-gliders.com/sugar-glider-care.htm
http://ksks.essortment.com/sugarglidercar_rdxi.htm
http://www.sugargliderbabies.com/info.htm
http://www.thesugarshack.com/
http://thepetglider.com/index/
http://www.glideruniversity.org/index/cont...tegory/5/19/64/
http://www.glideruniversity.org/index/cont...tegory/5/25/64/
http://www.glideruniversity.org/index/content/view/36/64/

Housing

Adult gliders can tolerate a temperature range of 18°-31°C. If you ever keep in an air condition room, never keep the cage directly under the air flow of the glider could catch a cold. Recommended temperature for an air cond room with gliders would be 23°C to 26°C. Gliders in air cond rooms would need warm bedding like fleece or old tshirts to keep them warm in their pouches. Why pouches? Firstly, it is soft and warm, it is also very comfortable and easy to clean and wash. Try and avoid hideboxes for hamsters and birds, coconuts with holes, plastic bird houses. These things just causes your glider to hide more from you and it is hard to clean and also to get your glider out of the hidebox or coconut. A timid glider may become over protective of it's coconut or box and will be harder to tempt it out than a glider that is in a sleeping pouch. Fabric for the pouches should be absorbent materials such as fleece or cotton because it keeps humidity from building up inside, and also "breathe" so that moisture and smells don't build up. It's also easy to wash. If you use materials such as plastic or glazed ceramic, your gliders will eventually take on a brownish tinge as their fur is stained by the trapped moisture, and they probably won't smell as nice as they should.

As for cages, the bigger it is, the better for gliders! Do not be fooled by people saying that hamster cages are good enough or fish tanks. Even small bird cages are too small for them.

Here are some pictures from the Internet as an example of suitable cages:


Dimension: 30"Length x 18"Depth x 55"Height.


Dimension: 18" x 14" x 34"


Dimensions: 60" tall x 30" wide x 30" deep


Dimensions: 19" X 28" X 72


Cage is available at Pet Shack(Sunway Mentari), Pet Safari(Ikano), Petaling Street petshops, depending on quality, prices are around RM100 or more.

Websites on sugar glider cages, even a How To page:
http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/sugarglider...rglidercage.htm
http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/sugarglider...rglidercage.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/facehugger/cageplans.html

You can use coconut decorative pots but make sure they are not glazed. Polished ones are ok.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...=post&id=214243

You can get creative with cage accessories. You can use plastic link chains, twine rope, nylon rope, hammocks, flower pots... the list just goes on with your creativity. Check out Garage Sales for sleeping pouches that are a must have for gliders.


Wooden toys for birds do make excellent toys for gliders.

Gliders are arboreal, they need lots of climbing exercise. You can get hold of ExoTerra Vines and make a creeping perch for your gliders to climb up on. Get hold of safe non-toxic branches and use natural fine twine to create climbing ladders or stands, make it up to your own creativity.

Besides climbing material, gliders do love to run on wheels so getting a quality wheel is good for their health. The safest wheel for gliders are Wodent Wheels, which are available only at Pet Shack. So get yourself a wheel. No other places carry this wonderful wheel which your glider would enjoy running and playing on.



Bedding and Cage Substrate

Now it must seem that sugar gliders look like rodents, so some petshops would recommend you to buy hamster wood shavings for your gliders. This is a very big mistake. Never use hamster wood shavings on gliders for the wood would secrete phenols which could cause lung damage in the long run.

Gliders love to sleep in their hideboxes or coconuts or sleeping pouches but they do love it when there is something soft for snuggling. Do not give our normal bath towels. You can just use plain old soft tissue paper. Fleece pieces could be made into blankets. Another safe material would be our cotton tshirts. Get 1 of those Rm3.90 cotton tshirts from Carrefour or Giant hypermarkets and cut the shirt into little pieces. Make sure there are no strings or holes in it. The reason why tissue paper, fleece and cotton tshirts are recommended is that very often gliders like to chew and kick around the material. Stringy towels or holey cloths would tangle the gliders, causing the lost of limbs or worst, death from suffocation. Also, never use sponge or pure cotton.

As for cage substrate, always make sure there is a wire mesh separating the gliders from the substrate at least with a 1 inch gap. You can use plain old newspaper, corn cob bedding, Breeder's Celect Recycled Paper cat litter, Litter Star silicon cat litter pellets or Careline Wood base cat litter. All this can be found in Pet Safari.

For cage accessories, you can contact krynzpeaches

For cages good for gliders, you can contact jtl

Diet/Nutrion written by krynzpeaches

A good and balanced diet can make all the difference not only to humans, but Sugar Gliders too! This will ensure a healthy and long happy life as well as a more clean and slightly better smelling environment

Like the saying "We are what we eat..." So don't take lightly on their diet.

Sugar gliders thrive on sweet substance just like their name, however they cannot take simple sugar like we do, the sweetness must come from natural sources such as fruits. In the wild they require sweet substance from nectar, tree sap, manna, honeydew and fruits, so in captivity, to simulate as close to this, we must provide them with a variety of fresh fruits daily.

Sugar gliders are omnivorous meaning, they don't only need fruits in their diet but insects too for their protein intake. In the wild they get to chase and eat a variety type of insects, but in captivity we normally give them farm raised* meal worms, crickets or boiled chicken meat for their protein. Although there are other types of insects that can be given to sugar gliders, unfortunately we do not have them available here in Malaysia.

DO NOT feed your sugar gliders insects that is captured in your backyard or house compound area, they may contain harmful pesticides that can cause illness to your sugar glider.

For captive sugar gliders, it is also very important to provide them with a daily staple food which can either be a pre-set feeds** that are meant for omnivorous animals or mixes. Unfortunately there is NO pre-set feeds available for sugar gliders in Malaysia. Luckily mixes are something that we can whip up ourselves or be purchased on LYN To make your own mixes, there are plenty of the recipes available in the net, however, personally I feel that we need to make a few adjustments to the recipes in the net to accommodate our sugar gliders in Malaysia. Watch out for cereal, alot of baby food cereal in Malaysia contains milk and soya, which is not good for a glider's health.

Here's a breakdown of the 3 main food category intake for captive sugar glider. Always feed to a ratio of 60% fruits and vegetables and 40% protein. (Increase the protein to 50% for breeding sugar gliders especially moms with joey/s In Pouch or Nursing.)

1) A fresh source of fruits or vegetables. The fruits or vegetables are best to be chopped into grab size pieces as sugar glider likes to grab hold of their food by hand to eat them.
*For a list of fruits and vegetables that is has been fed to our local captive sugar gliders plus some remarks about it, click on the spoiler below.*



2) A fresh source of protein. Farm raised* mealworms or crickets or boiled chicken meat. Be sure to always gut load your mealworms or crickets first before feeding your sugar glider

3) A daily staple of mix. (This is a must since we do not have any other pre-set feeds** for their staple diet.)

Vitamins and Calcium supplements (and other supplements) is a need for captive sugar glider to ensure a balance and healthy diet. Most of the food sources provided still lack of vitamins and especially calcium. By giving them these extra supplements, we can ensure them of a long and healthy life

Most recommended vitamins and calcium supplements (like Vionate and Rep Cal) are unfortunately NOT available here in Malaysia, however there are other brands that has been found similar to these in Malaysia which is Repti-Vite and Repti-Cal. Vitamins and calcium supplements are normally sprinkled on top of their daily food serving. Not more than a pinch per glider and not more than one serving per day. Means if you have added the supplements to their mix, DO NOT add them to their other foods. Too much of the supplements can be as harmful as not giving them at all.

Another great supplement that can be added to their diet is yogurt. Yogurt is high in protein and calcium plus bacterial cultures that promotes the absorption of calcium better. You can feed them plain low fat yogurt or choose to indulge them in some naturally flavored ones. Not more than 1 teaspoon per glider 2 or 3 times a week only. Avoid getting fat-free yogurt. The best are low-fat yogurt for our gliders.

Finally, ensure that fresh clean water is available at all time. Water bottles such as the ones used for hamsters are highly recommended compared to water in dish bowls because water in dish bowls will get easily contaminated by their food, poo and pee.

Some NO foods / CAUTION foods and why.

1) NO corn - Although sugar gliders will readily dive into it, we must not include corn in their diet because the phosphorus content is higher than any other food, thus do not offer any benefits to sugar gliders except more phosphorus that could lead to bone deficiency.

2) NO avocado - Very high in fat.

3) CAUTION on grapes - Although there is still research going on about this, we must caution on the intake of grapes or raisins due to some death in sugar gliders that points to some of the substance found only in grapes. I'd say better safe than sorry.

4) NO iceberg lettuce - Non nutritional value and can cause watery poo!

5) NO chocolates - Chocolates are a NO-NO to all animals. It causes a toxic chemical reaction in most animals.

6) CAUTION on high fat content food - Nuts especially are high in fat. Some will offer sun flower seeds to their sugar gliders, but do this sparingly and strictly as treats not a part of their diet.

7) NO fried food - Again, very high in fat.

8) NO cat or dog food as a staple- Although most commercial breeders feed their sugar gliders with cat or dog food, they just merely want to substitute the fresh food that needs to be prepared daily, to something easy and lasting to eat without considering their long term health and not to mention - Cheap. Cat food is designed for cats, same goes with dog food. They are not meant for sugar glider. Not to mention that cat or dog food can cause lumpy jaw (because it is hard), intestinal blockage and kidney failure in the long run. You can ONLY feed it as a treat.

* Farm raised mealworms or crickets are those you can buy from our local pet shops.
** Pre-set feeds are those commercial dry staple food specially for sugar gliders.

A list of fruits we can get locally to feed our gliders:

Apples - Fuji, Gala, Golden, any variety is ok, as long not Granny Smith coz that is sour. Do not feed apples every night. The phosphorus level is higher than calcium.

Oranges - only feed ONCE a week. Feed along with the skin but make sure you scrub the skin clean. Only a small portion. Oranges are acidic, it can cause health problems if given too much, especially young joeys. It benefits in small portions as it has a good amount of calcium but just take note of the acidic side of it.

Watermelon - high in water and also minerals, it can also cause watery poop. So feed in moderation.

BlueBerries - high in antioxidants, a juicy treat for most gliders. Berries are very good for gliders. Take note that you can find fresh blueberries at ColdStorage, Carrefour, Jusco, and basically any hypermarket or supermarket that caters to expatriates.

Strawberries - not very high in calcium but good enough. You can find fresh ones be it from Korea, Camerons, America, Australia or Egypt strawberries.

Honeydew - one fruit that alot of gliders love to eat.

Papaya - a good source of calcium. Don't feed papaya alone. Feed a fruit that is higher in fiber, like apples so that the poop stays firm.

Sweet potato - cooked ones of course. A small amount is good for fiber and carbohydrates.

Rose Apple/Jambu air - make sure you get the large sweet ones. Can find at most market places, high in calcium.

Ciku - a sweet treat, not all gliders may like ciku.

Pineapple - give small amounts like once a week. Only feed very ripe pineapples. Never feed more than a cube. The enzymes benefits the digestion.

Sugar Apple/Custard Apple - Google to find the picture. This fruit is grown locally, is high in calcium and very sweet. Remember to get rid of the seeds.

Kiwi - High in Vitamin C and fiber, it is good in moderation.

Sun Melon/Rock Melon/Cantaloupe - a crunchy melon which is a bit better than honey dew.

Banana - it is high in potassium, but very high in phosphorus, so only give this like once a week but as a little treat. Never a meal.

Starfruit - high in vitamin C as well, make sure all seeds taken out.

Cherry Tomatoes - 1 little tomato every few days is good enough. It is high in vitamin C and also minerals. If you notice lots of seeds, then scoop it out. Never give any green vines or leaves of a tomato plant as that is very VERY toxic.

Plum, Nectarine and Peach - Make sure you take out the stone(seed). Good source of vitamins and minerals

Cherries - excellent fruit with vitamins, antioxidants and also calcium. Can get from Cold Storage or Fruit sellers in certain areas.

Water Chestnut - good source of fiber, limit amounts.

Durian - some gliders love it. Take care not to give too much and also no seeds.

Nangka/Jack Fruit - An exotic flavour, some may not like it.

Mango - loved by most gliders, it is packed with goodness.

Lemon skin and orange skin - High High High in calcium!

Persimmon - Good fiber, calcium and phosphorus level also same.

Grapes - Only give seedless ones. Also, do not give everyday. Like with oranges and pineapple, give once a week and only 1 grape per glider.

Rambutan - Sweet nectar to gliders. Make sure no seeds.

Lychee and Longan - Do not feed so much. These are high in chemicals, so always remove the skin and wash properly before feeding to your gliders.

Figs - Cold Storage and also supermarket catering to expatriates carry these. High in Calcium.

Cucumber - High in water. Make sure you de-seed it as well. No skin.

Celery - Good source of fiber and vitamins. Good calcium ratio as well.

Sawi/Choy Sum - High in calcium.

Diseases and Disorders - written by bonai -

Sugar gliders are excellent in hiding their illness, so make sure you're always alert about your gliders when they are sick. If your pet shows signs of illness, do not give it any medications unless prescribed by your veterinarian. Remember that with the appearance of any clinical signs, a qualified veterinarian should be allowed to make a definitive diagnosis. Identifying and treating diseases in their early stages is the key to successful treatment and cure. Like many other exotic species that become ill, sick sugar gliders are very fragile, and require prompt veterinary attention.

Obesity (Same). Treatment -Avoid overfeeding; enlarge living space to encourage more climbing and exercise.

Hyperparathyroidism (Weakness, muscle tremors, fractures). Treatment - Caused by nutritional imbalance and calcium deficiency; review and correct diet; calcium supplements.

Head alopecia (Hair loss in the center of the head). Treatment - Normal in some males; identifies the location of ascent gland.

Abdominal "lumps" (Apparent lumps on the stomach of a female glider). Treatment - Again, this is normal; these "lumps" are baby sugar gliders in their mom's pouch!

Lack of or decline in appetite. Treatment - Can be caused by stress (lack of companionship, too much light, temperature fluctuations), may cause blindness, damaged teeth, other illness.

Enteritis (Diarrhea) Treatment - Caused by parasites and/or bacterial infections; treat accordingly; improve sanitation and reduce stress.

Overeating/overdrinking; pacing; excess vocalization. Treatment - Usually caused by boredom; insecurity (lack of adequate hiding places); lack of social interaction; housing too small; correct underlying cause.

Blindness (Partial or complete loss of sight) Treatment - Thought to be dietary in origin; often seen in obese gliders.

Rear-end paralysis (Weakness or paralysis of the hindlimbs) Treatment - Due to poor diet coupled with a lack of exercise; stress may also play a role; treat by correcting diet and increasing size of living quarters.

Incoordination (Falling from branches; bounces into walls) Treatment - Can be caused by blindness, rear-end paralysis, obesity, foot disorders, sprains and fractures; treatment should address the underlying cause.

Recommended vets:
(these vets are known to treat sugar gliders)

1) Dr Yeoh

YEOH VETERINARY CLINIC & SURGERY
126, Jln SS 24/2, Tmn Megah, 47301 PJ, Selangor
Tel: 03-78048684
Fax: 03-78052350
Dr Yeoh can neuter male gliders safely.
Call to make an appointment

2) Dr Jenny

HANDS "N" PAWS
C-17G, Jalan PJU 1/45,
Aman Suria Damansara, 47301 PJ
Tel: 03-78046539
Dr Jenny can neuter male gliders safely.
Call before you go coz Dr Jenny is not always around. She works on weekends.

Sugar Glider Events!


Small Animal Day at PETSTER'S 2nd Bite event!

Date: 1st of June 2008

Time: The event is on for the whole day from 11am to 7pm

UPDATES:

31 May 2008: Sugar glider talk will start around 2pm, latest to start is around 2.30pm as this depends on the crowd.

1 June 2008: LYN mini Sugar glider gathering. The glider talk would start at 4pm.


There will be a sugar glider talk on 31st May and 1st of June, but the gathering would be on the 1st of June. If you cannot make it for 1st June, do come on 31st May.

Venue: At Ikano. NOT IN Pet Safari! It is the outdoor area beside ACE Hardare. Look for the Petster Banner.

Petster's 2nd bite will be a 3 week event, starting from 23 May to 15 June. There will only be major events on Saturdays and Sundays while the rest of the week is a bazaar.




Coming soon! Workshop and gathering at Pet Safari, Ikano. Date should be around June or July.

This post has been edited by crazymouse_yyh: May 26 2008, 05:56 PM

Pet shops that carry glider accessories.


Pet Shack

View the map to know.

Carries cages, a nice variety of sugar glider accessories and necessities. The only shop carrying WODENT WHEELS for gliders, hamsters and hedgehogs. Safest and most recommended wheel.

Contact: 603- 5637 4536

Operation Hours
Tue - Sat : 11am to 9pm
Sun : 11am to 7pm
Mon : Closed

102 Block A Mentari Business Park
Jalan PJS 8/2
Bandar Sunway
46150 Petaling Jaya
Selangor, Malaysia

Pet Safari
They carry certain items and accessories for gliders. You can find good sized cages, substrate for cages. Metal bowls and bird toys.

PLC Pet Safari (KL) Sdn. Bhd.
S1, IKANO Power Centre,
No. 2, Jalan PJU 7-2,
(Level 2), Mutiara Damansara,
47800 Petaling Jaya, Selangor Darul Ehsan, Malaysia.

Tel: +603-7724 1578
Fax: +603-7724 1527

Operating Hours . 10am - 10pm



This post has been edited by crazymouse_yyh: Apr 22 2008, 10:21 PM

V6 is finally opened!

Great and I shall leave my mark here as a new adventure to being a great sugar glider owner! By the way, Hun, did you received my SMS? Please check your phone. Thank you.

This post has been edited by Pennywise: Apr 22 2008, 10:23 PM

ggMing reporting in... together with Zo'e...

Teddy says HI!

yahuu.. ver 6!!

wow..you guys are hell fast congrat

Whoah V6 already! Happening oh!

yo!!!
hehehe, got some problem back home.
That's y cannot attend the gathering.
Will try make it the next time, seems like u guys had load of fun.
yay!!!V6

V6 special poses by Teddy.

yaa i onli hav dydy..bt dydy is a gal wor..can she be dominant also??

how old is ur gal n boy??can be parents dy??

yup..she jumped over to attack kiah..

really??how if she turns out to be like billie???

im actually kind of really worried..i do wan her to be like all alone..

ermm..silver is actually in the pic u put as ur avatar..bt kind of blocked dy la..there,the 1 sitting on the far left with a white shirt with strips..can see??
so sorry hun.. i hav never seen her draw blood b4..tis is the 1st time..

i scared bring her out to socialize with end up attacking others..how?? ltr all glider owners keep her away..

Hi All,

I'm in the midst of considering which cage to get. I really love the medium size cage sold by Pet Shack but to find a place to put it at my current house is a headache.

Bonai,
Can you post up your sugar glider cage? Which cage are you using?


Seems to me, many use this cage but yet, some say the medium sized one is better. I spoke to Hun about it and she said it will probably do me good since they are new.

Are there any of these sold in 2nd hand?

This post has been edited by Pennywise: Apr 22 2008, 11:17 PM

here is some from Zo'e
She is always stoning like this(pic2)... anyone know why???
all she will do is to peep out and stone out...
but still.... she is so....

and the last pic, the Ka-Bob thing...

This post has been edited by ggMing: Apr 22 2008, 11:28 PM


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yayy!! v6!!

reporting in with dydy..

This post has been edited by spinel-sun: Apr 22 2008, 11:18 PM

she loves the new blanket so much kot..?

conporm babe... conporm...

wow you guys are so fast!

I want Jason's hammock/pouch... KP! NAK!

xena reporting..........

crak crak crak crak

Pict 2 Zoey look like a talibanese glider. Is that her tail over the forehead?

HAHAHA... KP, JANGAN!!! PATENTED EDI WEI... LOL... but with this design hor, in which i curi from my friend, makes it easy to take the glider out from the sleeping pouch..
hehehe... and the leopard print is maut...

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Added on April 22, 2008, 11:31 pmi ter-LOL-ed when i read your reply... yes, thats her tail... AHAHAHA TALIBANESE..
guys, lets Spam this thread with PICS.... KAMONG!!!!

This post has been edited by ggMing: Apr 22 2008, 11:33 PM

Ecah reporting.....

Thinking of naming my upcoming joeys - Squirmy and Wormie. Girlfriend laughed until pengsan and told me to put them Pinky and The Brain but not suitable for females.

Zo'e...

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Added on April 23, 2008, 12:16 amemino... tgk pouch cum hammock ni... canggih... ko nak tak... =P

This post has been edited by ggMing: Apr 23 2008, 12:16 AM


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ggMing, where u get it??

ahhh.... this is a good question... Custom Bikin dari KP..

nice leapord
ngehehe

waa...
i want it to...


This post has been edited by thejamz: Apr 23 2008, 12:26 AM

i siap with matching punya bonding pouch... woot!

AHA! V2.. but i'm not ready with the pics.. HAHAHA =P

Fellas.. to avoid another day of dissapointment.. i shall post the pictures a lil by little.. =P hehehe today we have the 1st one to two hours of the gathering.. =P i'm editing the photos and post a lil by little.. torturing u all.. MUAHAHAHAHA =P

darn evil.. ngeik ngeik..

scared u all nanti do protest in fron KLCC say want pictures kang.. die ler.. so must post d.. summore i must post pictures of the cute and handsome bonai that claims his botak head was there but i think he spying with us so he was there la.. =P rite bonai.. u were there.. eh.. waita minute.. u shook my hands in a&w.. waita minute.. u were that.. hrm.. brown.. orange.. big size.. shorter than me.. always shake people's hands with an orange beret hat.. and walking around not talking to people two big eyed that suppose to be in a glider suit but kenot find till u resort into a bear outfit one rite? oh.. cheh.. u were there.. that char also botak one.. just use hat to cover.. =P hehehe

first sight of glider when i arrive.. i see glider.. and not mistakenly.. that was gadget and zoey there.. =P


well definitely i see people.. like orang TJ


and more people.. like from left.. i forgot who =P omg sry.., then there's Cukin the wassap glider and Mr. Emino macho baju terbuka.. =P


and more more people..


oh the one in bright pink.. is evan.. oh the glider on his body.. aint his.. quite poser for first timer.. use other people's glider to pose.. haha =P jk he's still waiting for his potential breeder and potential wallet grows.. =P


after 15min i think.. this fella.. still buffet-ing.. and miraculously.. not that fat also.. munching not onli on meal worms.. cat food also sapu..


after another 10 min.. she's still there.. at her fav spot.. according to the owner.. it's the first time she's having live meal worms.. and vege.. bfore this all beheaded worms.. =P


zoey decided to join in.. curious bout a glider that chews on vege..


then they makan together.. =P


this is the featured glider of the day.. Gadget.. aka ketot.. why called ketot why not gadget onli leh?




This post has been edited by thisiskj: Apr 24 2008, 05:44 AM

boooooo... KJ.. faster ler...
beh tahan edi...

my baby glynx barked for the first time this morning! hahaha barked like 6-7 times then continue again.. then crab at olivia pulak.. hehehe =P

tumpang post.. MORE PICTURES! =P
then i have.. er.. so sori.. i morning brain freeze.. who d.. can sumbody help me here?


Miss KP


Awesome kiwi muffin.. first time tried kiwi muffin.. oOo.. interesting.. a lotsa seeds.. good for ur digestions.. =P not good for gliders thou these muffins.. DON'T FEED THESE AT HOME!


teng teng.. showdown of the day.. sifu's side by side.. =P


This post has been edited by thisiskj: Apr 24 2008, 05:56 AM

how long usually they active?
one hour?
two hour?
before they goin to sleep back...

mine is like active from 12am till like 12pm..

whole night? =P normally from 10-12 till 5-8

mine active for like an hour or two then run back into the bounding pouch

i also pening... sometime, at 1pm also belum tidur... i also stone..

mine active at 4 -5 pm ,stil crab and bite as before
grrr

wah.. pain or not.. when it crab.. i alwiz pull my hand b.. coz i scared it bite.... i c my SG teeeth so sharp.. oso scared...aiks

congrats.. V6 dy.. hope all sifus stay... n more newbie come... more suggie lover....

lol. Mine starts getting active about 3am - 11/12.

She still crabs at me, but I kinda know when she is in the biting mood, or when she's just crabbing. (she gets very irritated when she doesn't get enough sleep, or you disturb her when she's sleeping)

being afraid of ones bitting is not good for suggie's owner.. especially for joeys they wont bite that hard.. let your fingers get used to it's biting so it will know that your finger are not food..

if you can't bare a joey bite, how can you deal with it's bite when they grew older??

yea, dear all suggies owners, let's show ur guts n give them ur tasty hands!!!

just passby n wan to spam a bit... /run before i get spank~

This post has been edited by shayne: Apr 23 2008, 03:57 AM

yeah
tak sakit pun
just bleed a bit only

Headlines yesterday
Kiah kena bitten..

My girl and boy almost same age. I got them in August last year.
I would suggest you to have a companion for Dydy in future. I believe you know about the adverse of solo gliders.
I don't know if there is any reason for not having dominant females as well for dominant males. But i do hope more clarification.

I hope i'm concealed, in identity, that i can have privacy. But not quite then.

Hearing your story of Dydy attacking Kiah, makes me a bit wary to let mine mix as well also. I don't think mine can be better than yours.
The two have been so comfortable by themselves all this while.
You know they attacked my guinea pig once.

This post has been edited by silverwineus: Apr 23 2008, 05:56 AM

my SGs wake up at 4am n sleep at 6am... spend whole day on sleeping..

Susah betul kamera mahal ni kan kj. seminggu pun pic tak ready lg. Hehehe~
Tgk kameraphone murah I. Cepat je.

yesterday i begin playing with my glider (no name yet).. she walk on to my hand, and was scared la.. after awhile ok already, then she start biting in between my fingers.. quite pain lah, since that part of the skin is sensitive.. is it normal ???

and also, i took her out with my right hand, and crabs when i stroke her with my left hand.. is it normal ??? macam she bonded to my right hand, not my left hand.. haha

update : altho small,she already pro at eating mealies, and i didnt know it until i saw her clean her bowl of mealies..

Wahhhhh, V6 already?



Okaylah, lemme start off with my infamous long reply signature





Females can be dominant too, but not often.

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No lah, I don't think dydy is like billie at all. She was okay when Micah checked her out remember? Maybe she was a bit overwhelmed with the so many new smells and sights around.

I'm sure with proper introduction, she will be happy to have a companion

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Don't be scared, I think she'll do just fine with time





Muahahaha

Gaduh lah korang



Pinky and Brainy sounds girly





Ahh, one important rule to bond with your suggie is never show fear.

When they crab or attack, it means they are actually scared of you. So if you show that you are scared of them too, who will they rely on? You must learn to approach them with confidence, gain their trust and show that you mean no harm to them. Then they will learn that you are their safest tree they can trust

If they strike and bite, don't pull your hand immediately, take the bite and slowly remove your hand. Don't show to them that biting will scare you.



All mine starts active at dusk around 7-8pm till 10-11pm, then rest a bit, up again around 1-2am until 6-7 am.

Yeah, Molly still does that, she likes to crab at the little-little things... The rest are fine and has never really crabbed anymore...



Iggy used to attack or try to annoy other gliders when he was alone, but after having a companion(and now colony of his own) he is great even with other gliders

Ohh, concerning your question about the Complete Multivit, the feeding amount seems little as it is well balanced and meant as supplement. Although containing acacia gum, nectar and bee pollen, it is not meant to mimic their exact diet in the wild, it is a supplement to ensure they do get the nutrition value of it.

I apologize if it seems little to you but the measurement count/supply is a s per what is given to me by the creator/breeder herself.



The biting is normal, she is testing you

The left hand and right hand is also normal, she's not 100% familiar with you yet so you need to let her explore you more

Good that she's eating mealies!

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There, Happy V6 everybody!


KP

No sign of pictures from kj yet.. so passive la.. card reader also hard to find.. haiyo!

btw, joey biting is normal la as KP said.. and shouldnt be as hard as adults.. maybe u guys should get bitten by an adult first.. then only you'll know that the joey's bite is no match..

I agree, joey's bite, no match to adult's bite. LOL

Because she loves to gnaw on my fingers, especially when I massage her to sleep.

congrat ya !!

V6 !!!!

guys.. question from my friend.. if he were to travel anywhere.. how do they take care of their suggie.. say hes going to sabah for one week..

can send to boarding.. crazymouse offers that service with some fees.. contact her.

wah V6 edi ... chika ... aiko ... yuri .. bangun la cepat .. kite joget lambakk ...



alaa .. guys .. they wanna sleep la . dont want to joget lambat with us ..

wohoo! finally joined the forum andnow emino doesn't have to sms me to tell me when and where there will be gatherings! gots to get used to this.

hello everyone! my name's Naz, i was at the glider gathering kat a&w depan amcorp mall, boy was it fun and memorable. I'll put some pics of Skully up soon! can't wait to chit-chat and gather with all you suggie lovers again! =)

hai naz.. welkem to suggie thread!
n gr8 to see u there tho dun have the opportunity to talk to u.

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Added on April 23, 2008, 4:39 pmOh so she was silverwineus. I tot Ming said sumthing about "Thai"....confuse2....hahahaha
I did exchange a smile or two wit u rite Vanny.

Dydy is still a sweet glider...She doesnt know how to socialize lagi....
Since they are colonial species, i believe that's y they become defensive without proper introduction.

This post has been edited by spel'it: Apr 23 2008, 04:40 PM

Thai???

ya lor...ader u said sumthing about thai...savadikap....ape ntah...
with the hand gesture summore....
u can the joker of the day.....

LOL.... funny la you spel'it...
back to kedai kopi, later kena marah...

Thye is just a surname, millions of people have that.

haaa...that's y....bcoz i know u by silverwinues and vanny...
so when u introduce urself as thye i dun know it was u....
with ming do the gesture summore....i dah confuse2....
so hi vanny....

This post has been edited by spel'it: Apr 23 2008, 05:05 PM

So spel'it, you ada bawa Cheekoo ke? Mesti kan?
Dah lupa, tak silap Cheekoo and Koochee

This post has been edited by silverwineus: Apr 23 2008, 05:08 PM

of coz.... but both he and Koochee very shy....
Pan, Cukin's suggie, say hi also they run for cover....
but they maybe tired also. I just got back from PD and went straight to Amcorp.
Even mealies were not inviting to them at that time.

O I see..

if the suggie is bonded to us....when we let they roam free in the room....we cannot get a sound sleep huh?

i tried a few days already...last2 brought them back to their cage
*with a big struggle from their part*
tengah baru nak try mamai nak tido, tibe2 diorang dtg n groom rambut...but still ok lagi....once dah smpi kat telinga...cannot tahan....
once ok....tp three four times....aduh.....last2 have to caged them blk. kesian....but if not i wont get a wink of sleep at all.

anyway, if we fall sick...can the virus affect our glider as well?

ala glider groom... jealous la...
malam ni i nak try gak...

anyone?? say if i get flu, will my glider kena also??

yerp....my cousins children are having measle (demam campak, btul tak eja camtuh tuh?)....afraid that it can effect gliders as well if i bring them over to their house to visit them.

I guess not, but not 100% sure...
Cos my gliders stay in the same room with me...flu, i kena before but doesn't seem to affect them at all.
Maybe someone else can share more bout this...

If we touch them with infected hands, like we sneeze by covering with our palms or use tissue and never wash our hands after all those, then germs can pass on. Maybe normal flu could pass on.... not so sure but I have been sneezing non-stop... having fever and a cold... damn frustrating coz I dare not handle my gliders.

my little winnie(SGs) take mealies d... but she juz suck the juice n throw away the skin... may i know is it too small to provide her meal worms?

This post has been edited by spirit of demon: Apr 23 2008, 10:03 PM

What you mean? Too far? You mean is it too far to buy mealworms?

is it too far to provide her meal worms??? don't get you on this...
normally gliders take will throw away the skin...

sry.. typo.. i got edit d... too young...

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Added on April 23, 2008, 10:07 pmreply above... too small or too young... not too far... sry..typo

This post has been edited by spirit of demon: Apr 23 2008, 10:07 PM

Cute cute suck thumb

If she can suck out the juices and innards from the mealworm and spit the skin, then it is ok.

It's normal, they usually just suck all the guts and leave their skin.
If it's too young, they won't eat it.
Haha, just smell n ignnore it.
So since they are eating, then it's fine

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This post has been edited by thisiskj: Apr 24 2008, 07:31 AM

pic!!! pic!!! pic!!!

there will be more comin today.. =P tengah editing.. and now.. i wana tidur.. =P cause i tidur masa half posting.. hahaha =P then now post again.. guyz.. er.. u guyz wan me to post here or at page 2? page 2 like a bit mafan but good for quick referencing.. and newbie can see also.. quick quick.. =P

Aiyerrr... Why big, big my pix??

Malu lah

Either page is fine kut... But if all in one page(ie: page 2 only) would be easier lor

Ohh, the mysterious guy in black tu, if not mistaken is cheekyd.


KP

KP KP,
boy bite and pull lou's skin up, but not pain. pull a few times. it that sayang?

Haha, we continue in chat


KP