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Movies LOTR & Hobbit Movies Thread, NOW: THE BATTLE OF THE FIVE ARMIES
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defaultname365
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Dec 20 2012, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE(vivienne85 @ Dec 20 2012, 01:50 PM) the stone giants were in the book and it was not explained in the book why were they fighting  Lol, I wonder why they started fighting. I think eventually they got 'too close' due to slow movement of the Earth's crust and bumped into each other. Perhaps that's why they were called a myth since barely anyone has actually seen them fighting. That scene was incredible... it really felt like two behemoths fighting.
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shootkk
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Dec 20 2012, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE(axoloke @ Dec 20 2012, 02:06 PM) Even the scene in LOTR was not following the book if i remember correctly. Radagast was passing along a message to this particular eagle for Gandalf, and he arrived at Saruman's tower and Gandalf asked him for help. I could be remembering it wrong though, need to consult the books  Meaning again, Gandalf doesn't go around summoning the eagles on a whim  You are right, of course. In the books, there were no moths. I was referring to Peter Jackson's version which was inconsistent. The time it took the moth to relay the message varied greatly. Thus I was wondering if moths on Jackson's Middle Earth could break the sound barrier in flight. Wouldn't it have been cool to see the little moth make a tiny cone shaped cloud and hear the sonic boom as it broke through the sound barrier?
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lyn_grayskale
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Dec 20 2012, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE(soitsuagain @ Dec 19 2012, 10:06 PM) then don't watch movies at 1080p because it is too clear like they are talking to you  1080p and 48fps are two different things - 1080p is the resolution and relates to quality of the image - 48fps affects speed of the image being displayed. 1080p can still be in 24fps and as clear as being there - ie: bluray with the 'smooth motion'/high refresh rate interpolation feature turned OFF on the TV. This post has been edited by lyn_grayskale: Dec 20 2012, 04:38 PM
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H2D
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Dec 20 2012, 05:10 PM
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hi guys, wana find out which cinema in klang valley has the biggest screen to watch HFR 3D for hobbit? Thanks.
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soitsuagain
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Dec 20 2012, 05:12 PM
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Dec 20 2012, 02:34 PM) You are right, of course. In the books, there were no moths. I was referring to Peter Jackson's version which was inconsistent. The time it took the moth to relay the message varied greatly. Thus I was wondering if moths on Jackson's Middle Earth could break the sound barrier in flight. Wouldn't it have been cool to see the little moth make a tiny cone shaped cloud and hear the sonic boom as it broke through the sound barrier?  Bro, you have to chill a bit with Peter Jackson. It is Hollywood after all. Do you remember the Frodo at Mount Doom part right before the lava? The ring had initially cursed Gollum that if he is to touch the ring again, he will fall to his death in Mount Doom. It is a very critical part because the message by Tolkien then is that Evil will defeat itself. Frodo is never meant to snatch the ring from Gollum but in the movies with Frodo snatching and him hanging precariously with only one arm is so much more dramatic.
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shootkk
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Dec 20 2012, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE(soitsuagain @ Dec 20 2012, 05:12 PM) Bro, you have to chill a bit with Peter Jackson. It is Hollywood after all. Do you remember the Frodo at Mount Doom part right before the lava? The ring had initially cursed Gollum that if he is to touch the ring again, he will fall to his death in Mount Doom. It is a very critical part because the message by Tolkien then is that Evil will defeat itself. Frodo is never meant to snatch the ring from Gollum but in the movies with Frodo snatching and him hanging precariously with only one arm is so much more dramatic. Ok... ok.. I'll chill. It's just that I'm mad at Hollywood in general. Mad at the way they have traded good story for special effects and gee-whiz cutting edge techy stuff and especially mad when you-know-who decided to jump on that bandwagon. We've been fed movies that are getting worse and worse in terms of story or plot. Just look at Transformers : Revenge of the Fallen. And Avatar before that. And the Twilight flicks. Heck even Hunger Games was lame. So, for all those out there who has not seen The Hobbit. Go see it and decide for yourself. Don't listen to me ok? Anyway, I'm just poking fun. And yes, I do agree that with Frodo and Gollum battling near the end is dramatic.
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Mov_freak
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Dec 20 2012, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Dec 20 2012, 10:45 AM) Well, I was just wondering. Any kind of story on any kind of media does need some degree of suspension of disbelief on the reader's/viewer's to work but if you go too far, people start complaining. Wizards, elves and what-not can exist but the imaginary world still need to abide by some form of logic and that logic needs to be consistent. We can see that Gandalf is a wizard adept at fire and light magic but if he starts to spew laser bolts out from his fingers, people will start to complain. The moth case is just inconsistent. Not a biggie. Have you considered that where Gandalf is in The Hobbit may be alot closer to the Eagles nest then compared to Saruman's Tower... Totally silly answer. Just being silly!!
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seiluen
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Dec 20 2012, 05:49 PM
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Possible for me to understand the story of this movies if I never watch any lord of the ring series before ?
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shootkk
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Dec 20 2012, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE(Mov_freak @ Dec 20 2012, 05:38 PM) Have you considered that where Gandalf is in The Hobbit may be alot closer to the Eagles nest then compared to Saruman's Tower... Totally silly answer. Just being silly!!  I have entertained that thought!  But I decided that it wasn't the case. If the eagles were so close, they would have seen the commotion themselves. No need for messenger moths. QUOTE(seiluen @ Dec 20 2012, 05:49 PM) Possible for me to understand the story of this movies if I never watch any lord of the ring series before ? Yes. It's totally possible but you may be missing a lot of references.
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Mov_freak
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Dec 20 2012, 06:06 PM
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aka. Nickelodein Weirdo
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QUOTE(seiluen @ Dec 20 2012, 05:49 PM) Possible for me to understand the story of this movies if I never watch any lord of the ring series before ? Very good question and the answer is, YES! This story/movie takes place BEFORE The Lord of The Ring. Personally, I would RECOMMEND you see it in the 48fps 3D format. Again, emphasis on the word, personally Hope this helps
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seiluen
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Dec 20 2012, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE(Mov_freak @ Dec 20 2012, 06:06 PM) Very good question and the answer is, YES! This story/movie takes place BEFORE The Lord of The Ring. Personally, I would RECOMMEND you see it in the 48fps 3D format. Again, emphasis on the word, personally Hope this helps Thanks ! Will catch this movie up tonight. So,after I watch this..I can follow up LOTR
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Mov_freak
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Dec 20 2012, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE(seiluen @ Dec 20 2012, 06:17 PM) Thanks ! Will catch this movie up tonight. So,after I watch this..I can follow up LOTR  Not quite... You probably want to wait for Part 2 and 3 of The Hobbit first. Truth to be told, after watching this movie, you'll understand why the LOTR books/movie exist!!  Enjoy you luck so and so!!
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axoloke
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Dec 20 2012, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Dec 20 2012, 02:34 PM) You are right, of course. In the books, there were no moths. I was referring to Peter Jackson's version which was inconsistent. The time it took the moth to relay the message varied greatly. Thus I was wondering if moths on Jackson's Middle Earth could break the sound barrier in flight. Wouldn't it have been cool to see the little moth make a tiny cone shaped cloud and hear the sonic boom as it broke through the sound barrier?  Haha..then it becomes another genre movie already...Top Gun Moth? Anyway, just good to have some discussions here on the movie. I always try to treat the movies as just another interpretation as movies and books are very different mediums. Some parts of LOTR also greatly annoyed me....but it is what it is.
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khairullz
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Dec 20 2012, 10:28 PM
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guys, now we have HFR 48fps 3D, will we have a HFR 48fps 2D?
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tonYe
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Dec 21 2012, 02:56 AM
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Dec 20 2012, 09:05 AM) The real reason for the apparently stupid move done by the giant eagles is because Jackson did not follow Tolkien's version of how it happened in The Hobbit. In the book, the eagles were NOT summoned. Gandalf did not summon them. They were just flying by when they saw the fire below and investigated. When they saw that goblins are harassing the party, they decided to help because they had no love for goblins. So they swooped down, picked the party up and dropped them just out of the goblin's reaches. It was done more to spite the goblins than anything. And yes, they were intelligent and could talk in the book but Jackson never told his audience that. It kinda made sense in the book. Although I must say that it was a good idea to have the eagles fly them all the way. Save all the trouble. Haha. And you're not the first one to bring up this question. There were some who asked in LOTR why not just have the eagles fly Frodo to Mt. Doom so he could just chuck the ring in. It would have been a very short story if that had happened. Thanks for clearing this up for me! I guess it makes more sense why the eagles can't carry Frodo in LOTR 'cause they might not have the will to fight the temptations of getting the ring for themselves. But what do I know, I never read the book haha QUOTE(maranello55 @ Dec 20 2012, 10:03 AM) funny that most of my frens are not fans....but they enjoyed the movie and everything is understood, without 'thorough explaination'. PJ done well there. That's why they're your friends.
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soul2soul
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Dec 21 2012, 08:51 AM
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QUOTE(memphiz_zero88 @ Dec 16 2012, 03:10 PM) when I posted the question, I haven't finished reading book yet until now. now that I finished it, I kinda have a glimpse of what will happened in the third movie. and kinda sad  I'm waiting for lady galadriel to destroy dol goldur with her epic magical powers , together with gandalf, elrond, radagast, and sarumon
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shootkk
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Dec 21 2012, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Dec 21 2012, 08:51 AM) I'm waiting for lady galadriel to destroy dol goldur with her epic magical powers , together with gandalf, elrond, radagast, and sarumon  Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Dol Goldur already destroyed by the time of The Hobbit? And I do not think Saruman would take part as he was the one secretly trying to find the one ring and trying to keep everyone in the dark about Sauron's re-appearance.
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BeastX
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Dec 21 2012, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Dec 21 2012, 09:13 AM) Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Dol Goldur already destroyed by the time of The Hobbit? And I do not think Saruman would take part as he was the one secretly trying to find the one ring and trying to keep everyone in the dark about Sauron's re-appearance. Dol Guldur was somewhat abandoned by Hobbit.... Re-established by LOTR... and finaly destroyed by Galadriel when Sauron's defeat with the destruction of the RING... as per Wiki.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dol_Guldur
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axoloke
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Dec 21 2012, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE(BeastX @ Dec 21 2012, 09:22 AM) Dol Guldur was somewhat abandoned by Hobbit.... Re-established by LOTR... and finaly destroyed by Galadriel when Sauron's defeat with the destruction of the RING... as per Wiki.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dol_Guldur» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Perhaps PJ will show the White Council driving out Sauron from Dol Guldur? That would better fit the pre LOTR timeline here. Sauron of course was ready and made his way back to the main fortress of Barad-dur.
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