u d one said its draggy....and tell one part too long....which one?

then don't watch movies at 1080p because it is too clear like they are talking to you

The first half. All that talking without thorough explanation. Two of the biggest questions I have is... why can't Gandalf get the birds to fetch them all the way to the destination from the beginning? Why does he use Bilbo's house as meeting point without his consent? He also disappears for no reason and predictably appears at the right time. Why doesn't he use his magic as much as he obviously needed to anyway? Also, what is with the rocks that started fighting each other? Seems like this movie is made purely for the fans of the book. Still good to watch, given that I was ignoring these gaps.

The Eagles are not "taxis"...this is one part I wish PJ had elaborated on in LOTR and now in the Hobbit. They are intelligent and even have a king of their own. But they also don't interfere if possible with the goings of the world. I agree that PJ didn't flesh out this aspect properly.

As for the other questions, CNN covers some of it

http://us.cnn.com/2012/12/18/showbiz/movie...html?hpt=hp_bn9

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Added on December 19, 2012, 11:15 pmWell...a bit of both I would say

This post has been edited by axoloke: Dec 19 2012, 11:15 PM

sorry for the spoiler.

They don't interfere until Gandalf asks them to? Then still, why not send them closer to the destination? They did, after all, interfered and save their useless arses from danger. Thanks for clarifying a bit anyway. The non-fan viewers shouldn't have to go looking for answers. A 164-minute film really should explain it all, not to mention making a trilogy out of a single book (which I heard is like less than a hundred pages?).

not the spoiler.

like axoloke said, the eagles are not "taxis". i dunno how to explain, but the king of eagles owe gandalf about something. in exchange, gandalf can call them for help when needed. need someone to fix this for me

This post has been edited by memphiz_zero88: Dec 20 2012, 12:01 AM

obviously ure not a fan

u want thorough explaination yet u complain abt drag?

This post has been edited by maranello55: Dec 20 2012, 12:40 AM

It's draggy even without thorough explanation, that's what I'm complaining. If this movie was made for fans like you only, then they should've said so on their poster and trailers so that people like me would understand and try to enjoy the film without knowing the heck is going on. But no, so I'll just take it as it's not done well enough.

it is not a normal 1080p, i already suit with 1080p hd, but 48fps is similar to 1080p + 200hz LED tv, too fluid and look cartoonish...

well..it is a good technology, but not for me at least for this time around, not yet... just my humble point of view

Well HFR 48fps, some may love it, some may dislike it

Personally, I haven't experience it yet, will do so soon

The real reason for the apparently stupid move done by the giant eagles is because Jackson did not follow Tolkien's version of how it happened in The Hobbit.

In the book, the eagles were NOT summoned. Gandalf did not summon them. They were just flying by when they saw the fire below and investigated. When they saw that goblins are harassing the party, they decided to help because they had no love for goblins. So they swooped down, picked the party up and dropped them just out of the goblin's reaches. It was done more to spite the goblins than anything.

And yes, they were intelligent and could talk in the book but Jackson never told his audience that. It kinda made sense in the book. Although I must say that it was a good idea to have the eagles fly them all the way. Save all the trouble. Haha. And you're not the first one to bring up this question. There were some who asked in LOTR why not just have the eagles fly Frodo to Mt. Doom so he could just chuck the ring in. It would have been a very short story if that had happened.

The eagles were summoned by using butterfly/moth. They should have kept some in a jar. Seeing this again on Sunday night, in HFR3D.

Now that someone brought it up... I kinda wondered how fast the moth could fly!!

In LOTR it made some sense as the eagle did not arrive to save Gandalf from Saruman's tower until quite some time had passed.

In The Hobbit, it seemed like the moth could do supersonic speed and alerted the eagles and had them come to the rescue in just a few minutes.

Taking into consideration that it tool some time for the eagles to get to where Gandalf and company were, that moth could have been flying faster than our modern jets could!!

funny that most of my frens are not fans....but they enjoyed the movie and everything is understood, without 'thorough explaination'. PJ done well there.

Science/logic in a fantasy film with wizard, elves and dwarfs? Ok then, an interesting fact is that a male emperor moth can detect a female about 6 miles (11 km) away. Moths have an extraordinary sensory detection so yeah, word could travel fast I suppose in Middle-Earth, no idea if it can work both ways but just an interesting fact. Zzzz...

Well, I was just wondering. Any kind of story on any kind of media does need some degree of suspension of disbelief on the reader's/viewer's to work but if you go too far, people start complaining.

Wizards, elves and what-not can exist but the imaginary world still need to abide by some form of logic and that logic needs to be consistent. We can see that Gandalf is a wizard adept at fire and light magic but if he starts to spew laser bolts out from his fingers, people will start to complain.

The moth case is just inconsistent. Not a biggie.

Well. Will WONDERS never cease. You and I are agreeing on the same thing!!! THE WORLD WILL END TOMORROW!!

I just rewatch The Hobbit yesterday in 48fps 3D and it is a TOTALLY different movie.

The images JUST POPS OUT AT YOU!!

This is the WAY the movie should really be seen.

My Addendum's addendum!!

the stone giants were in the book and it was not explained in the book why were they fighting

Even the scene in LOTR was not following the book if i remember correctly. Radagast was passing along a message to this particular eagle for Gandalf, and he arrived at Saruman's tower and Gandalf asked him for help. I could be remembering it wrong though, need to consult the books

Meaning again, Gandalf doesn't go around summoning the eagles on a whim