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post Dec 17 2012, 11:12 AM

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The movie is too long. What else do you call a movie that does not even start to tell the tale of The Hobbit even after 30 minutes into the opening. I'm talking about the part in which the old Bilbo and Frodo appears. Does absolutely nothing to advance the story.
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post Dec 17 2012, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(shinjite @ Dec 17 2012, 11:17 AM)
For me the length of the movie is alright, after all, I am enjoying Middle-Earth instead happy.gif
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It feels to me like Peter Jackson is mercilessly trying to milk his LOTR franchise for all that it's worth. Much of what's in this movie alone actually comes from the appendixes in the LOTR books. The Hobbit was a very straightforward children's tale. Yes. The Hobbit was a children's book and was planned as a one-off to boot. It does not and will not have an epic scale like LOTR did. Peter Jackson seems to be trying to make it epic but he only made it overly long.
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post Dec 17 2012, 02:26 PM

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I think it's not me that's comparing The Hobbit with LOTR. I think it's Peter Jackson himself that's making the comparison. I would have been perfectly happy if the tale was told in just one movie.

Spoilers alert! If you don't want to spoil your movie, DO NOT read further!

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post Dec 17 2012, 04:06 PM

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Ok. I'm going to do a little analysis here with regards to the movie and Tolkien's book.

Don't get me wrong. The Hobbit : An Unexpected Journey is not a bad movie by far. Great production values and special effects. I'm just a little bummed out that they dragged it out like they did but that's just me.

As always, analysis cannot be made without revealing details of the movie so spoilers are ahead.

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post Dec 17 2012, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Dec 17 2012, 04:32 PM)
It's based on the books. A film should never punish it's viewers for not knowing the source material. Oddly, it seems now that knowing the source material is what the problem is right now. I didn't even know "The Hobbit" was more of a children's story until recently.

The tie-in factor with LOTR was present because the film is an adaptation of the book and I'm confident it was seen an opportunity to have the references in it. Had the film been done just like books, the question would then be on why make the less menacing and the lack of coherence with the LOTR plot would come into questioning. Perhaps if I did read the book, I would have a different opinion altogether but I didn't.

I didn't find much issues with the film at all except for the darn IMAX. I think my viewing experience would be even better in 48fps.

On another note, the film has grossed over $220 million.
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I agree. Here in this instance, not knowing the source material made the movie all the more unbelievable. I don't know. Perhaps a couple of viewers that were seated in front of me in the cinema when I was watching the movie said it best.

When the credits rolled, one viewer uttered one word which I think described the whole thing : "Huh?"

Now, here's a viewer that truly did not know the source material.
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post Dec 18 2012, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(soitsuagain @ Dec 18 2012, 01:15 PM)
It's long? I almost felt sad when they showed the eye but still a great closure for part 1.
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Yes. It's long. Too long for my taste. Much of the scenes have little or no relevance to the story. I shall re-count what I deem to be unnecessary in the movie:

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post Dec 18 2012, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(Mov_freak @ Dec 18 2012, 04:27 PM)
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (2012)

Wow... how to review this.

Watched this on Sunday, in 3D...

After watching Lord Of The Ring, Return of the King, I really REALLY wanted to see The Hobbit, just to be complete.

After hearing all the drama, related to the copyright, the changes in director, and now have watched the first of the three movie, I am... underwhelm....

Don't get me wrong, it is beautifully shot! Nostalgia galore, and hence there lays the problem, there really isn't enough story to justify 3 MOVIES!!!!

He spread thing out, to the point of stupor...

Alright, he extracted information from the compendium, and also, that is the problem. It is compendium, which means additional information, NOT story....

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Pacing is an issue. When action happens, it is NOTHING but, and when things slow down, they slow down to a stupor...

One thing I would like to add though, the "music" in this movie, is actually an improvement over The Lord of the Ring trilogy, which is a good thing!!

I'm a little concern for part 2 and 3...

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Thank you! Finally! Someone who feels the same as I did. It's too long!

I think the scene with Galadriel, Saruman, Elrond & Gandalf is all Peter Jackson and not Tolkien.

As with the meme:

Padding! Padding everywhere!

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post Dec 18 2012, 11:18 PM

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I did not expect to be wowed again by the sweeping scenery shots. We've already seen that. They were beautifully shot and is appreciated but they have lost their novelty and I'm ok with that.

What I am not ok with is how PJ thought he could get away with making 3 movies with such lean materials. Draggy dialogue scenes and action scenes that are not plot relevant does not make a movie great.

I am appalled when after 30 minutes of the movie opening the story had not even started proper. We are still seeing the old Bilbo. That's time wasted. Then when we see the dwarves, we are treated to a long, messy dinner and a silly dish tossing stunt. More time wasted. I think it was around the 1 hour mark before the young Bilbo even got out his front door!

Then there was Radagast the brown time waster and the stone giants rock 'em, sock 'em match interlude.

PJ could picked up the pace and brought us right to base of the Lonely Mountain before he ended the first movie and then wrapped it all up in the next movie. 6 hours. That would have been miles better.

He could have done away with all the doom and gloom foreshadowing about Sauron coming back with draggy council scenes. Just a little mention of it would have sufficed. This is The Hobbit anyway. Not the LOTR. Should have been much lighter in mood. PJ should not have resurrected Azog but because he wanted the movie to be 3 hours long and only tell half the tale, he needed a villain to up the tension or the viewers would have been bored stiff!

That's is what PJ did wrong. He thought he could pull a fast one on his viewers. He thought wrong.

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post Dec 19 2012, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(tonYe @ Dec 19 2012, 02:27 AM)
Then why isn't one movie enough for this one? Because LOTR is not as epic?
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No. LOTR is epic and it deserved 3 movies. The Hobbit on the other hand is hardly as epic and the only reason it was stretched to 3 movies is because of Peter Jackson's greed and indulgence.

In my opinion one movie should be enough for The Hobbit.
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post Dec 19 2012, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(tommyfai @ Dec 19 2012, 02:49 PM)
not really .. i guess it should be at least 2 movies.. 1 movies would be too rush and less content to be inside.. its made for the fans though..
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Yes. This movie is made for the fans. Peter Jackson's fans to be precise. Tolkien fans? Not so much.
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post Dec 20 2012, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(tonYe @ Dec 19 2012, 11:52 PM)
sorry for the spoiler.
They don't interfere until Gandalf asks them to? Then still, why not send them closer to the destination? They did, after all, interfered and save their useless arses from danger. Thanks for clarifying a bit anyway. The non-fan viewers shouldn't have to go looking for answers. A 164-minute film really should explain it all, not to mention making a trilogy out of a single book (which I heard is like less than a hundred pages?).
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The real reason for the apparently stupid move done by the giant eagles is because Jackson did not follow Tolkien's version of how it happened in The Hobbit.

In the book, the eagles were NOT summoned. Gandalf did not summon them. They were just flying by when they saw the fire below and investigated. When they saw that goblins are harassing the party, they decided to help because they had no love for goblins. So they swooped down, picked the party up and dropped them just out of the goblin's reaches. It was done more to spite the goblins than anything.

And yes, they were intelligent and could talk in the book but Jackson never told his audience that. It kinda made sense in the book. Although I must say that it was a good idea to have the eagles fly them all the way. Save all the trouble. Haha. And you're not the first one to bring up this question. There were some who asked in LOTR why not just have the eagles fly Frodo to Mt. Doom so he could just chuck the ring in. It would have been a very short story if that had happened.
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post Dec 20 2012, 09:57 AM

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Now that someone brought it up... I kinda wondered how fast the moth could fly!!

In LOTR it made some sense as the eagle did not arrive to save Gandalf from Saruman's tower until quite some time had passed.

In The Hobbit, it seemed like the moth could do supersonic speed and alerted the eagles and had them come to the rescue in just a few minutes.

Taking into consideration that it tool some time for the eagles to get to where Gandalf and company were, that moth could have been flying faster than our modern jets could!!
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post Dec 20 2012, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Dec 20 2012, 10:26 AM)
Science/logic in a fantasy film with wizard, elves and dwarfs? Ok then, an interesting fact is that a male emperor moth can detect a female about 6 miles (11 km) away. Moths have an extraordinary sensory detection so yeah, word could travel fast I suppose in Middle-Earth, no idea if it can work both ways but just an interesting fact. Zzzz...
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Well, I was just wondering. Any kind of story on any kind of media does need some degree of suspension of disbelief on the reader's/viewer's to work but if you go too far, people start complaining. biggrin.gif

Wizards, elves and what-not can exist but the imaginary world still need to abide by some form of logic and that logic needs to be consistent. We can see that Gandalf is a wizard adept at fire and light magic but if he starts to spew laser bolts out from his fingers, people will start to complain.

The moth case is just inconsistent. Not a biggie.
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post Dec 20 2012, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(axoloke @ Dec 20 2012, 02:06 PM)
Even the scene in LOTR was not following the book if i remember correctly. Radagast was passing along a message to this particular eagle for Gandalf, and he arrived at Saruman's tower and Gandalf asked him for help. I could be remembering it wrong though, need to consult the books tongue.gif

Meaning again, Gandalf doesn't go around summoning the eagles on a whim  rolleyes.gif
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You are right, of course. In the books, there were no moths. I was referring to Peter Jackson's version which was inconsistent. The time it took the moth to relay the message varied greatly. Thus I was wondering if moths on Jackson's Middle Earth could break the sound barrier in flight. Wouldn't it have been cool to see the little moth make a tiny cone shaped cloud and hear the sonic boom as it broke through the sound barrier? rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 20 2012, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(soitsuagain @ Dec 20 2012, 05:12 PM)
Bro, you have to chill a bit with Peter Jackson. It is Hollywood after all. Do you remember the Frodo at Mount Doom part right before the lava? The ring had initially cursed Gollum that if he is to touch the ring again, he will fall to his death in Mount Doom. It is a very critical part because the message by Tolkien then is that Evil will defeat itself. Frodo is never meant to snatch the ring from Gollum but in the movies with Frodo snatching and him hanging precariously with only one arm is so much more dramatic.
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Ok... ok.. I'll chill. biggrin.gif

It's just that I'm mad at Hollywood in general. Mad at the way they have traded good story for special effects and gee-whiz cutting edge techy stuff and especially mad when you-know-who decided to jump on that bandwagon.

We've been fed movies that are getting worse and worse in terms of story or plot. Just look at Transformers : Revenge of the Fallen. And Avatar before that. And the Twilight flicks. Heck even Hunger Games was lame.

So, for all those out there who has not seen The Hobbit. Go see it and decide for yourself. Don't listen to me ok? smile.gif


Anyway, I'm just poking fun. And yes, I do agree that with Frodo and Gollum battling near the end is dramatic. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 20 2012, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(Mov_freak @ Dec 20 2012, 05:38 PM)
Have you considered that where Gandalf is in The Hobbit may be alot closer to the Eagles nest then compared to Saruman's Tower...

Totally silly answer.

Just being silly!! tongue.gif
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I have entertained that thought! biggrin.gif But I decided that it wasn't the case. If the eagles were so close, they would have seen the commotion themselves. No need for messenger moths. biggrin.gif


QUOTE(seiluen @ Dec 20 2012, 05:49 PM)
Possible for me to understand the story of this movies if I never watch any lord of the ring series before ?
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Yes. It's totally possible but you may be missing a lot of references.
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post Dec 21 2012, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Dec 21 2012, 08:51 AM)
I'm waiting for lady galadriel to destroy dol goldur with her epic magical powers , together with gandalf, elrond, radagast, and sarumon thumbup.gif
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Dol Goldur already destroyed by the time of The Hobbit? And I do not think Saruman would take part as he was the one secretly trying to find the one ring and trying to keep everyone in the dark about Sauron's re-appearance.
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post Jan 2 2013, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(BrianLai @ Jan 2 2013, 09:20 PM)
Just saw it for the 3rd time today. Still EPIC! But my gf can't seem to stay awake watching it sad.gif
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Because the movie is basically boring...

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post Jun 6 2013, 10:22 AM

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^ That's it. It's official now. Peter Jackson does not care for the source material. He's trying to re-invent the wheel as far as Tolkien's Middle Earth is concerned.

Not going to see the rest of the trilogy anymore.

 

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