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post Dec 17 2012, 04:06 PM

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Ok. I'm going to do a little analysis here with regards to the movie and Tolkien's book.

Don't get me wrong. The Hobbit : An Unexpected Journey is not a bad movie by far. Great production values and special effects. I'm just a little bummed out that they dragged it out like they did but that's just me.

As always, analysis cannot be made without revealing details of the movie so spoilers are ahead.

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post Dec 17 2012, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(ReAcTiVo @ Dec 17 2012, 03:40 PM)
is the blue wizard come out on next two movie? hmm.gif
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I don't really think so
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post Dec 17 2012, 04:32 PM

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It's based on the books. A film should never punish it's viewers for not knowing the source material. Oddly, it seems now that knowing the source material is what the problem is right now. I didn't even know "The Hobbit" was more of a children's story until recently.

The tie-in factor with LOTR was present because the film is an adaptation of the book and I'm confident it was seen an opportunity to have the references in it. Had the film been done just like books, the question would then be on why make the less menacing and the lack of coherence with the LOTR plot would come into questioning. Perhaps if I did read the book, I would have a different opinion altogether but I didn't.

I didn't find much issues with the film at all except for the darn IMAX. I think my viewing experience would be even better in 48fps.

On another note, the film has grossed over $220 million.




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post Dec 17 2012, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Dec 17 2012, 12:24 PM)
Overly long = unnecessary scenes? I found the length only a minor issue, and I barely felt the 170 minutes runtime. The fact that I did genuinely care for some of the characters is already an achievement. I was really afraid if the 'adventure feel' would be lost. Peter Jackson had always wanted to 'complete' the LOTR Trilogy with The Hobbit, back then he was not well known at all and it was a big risk to have green-lit three films.

After the LOTR Trilogy, there was a lot of talk about doing The Hobbit but PJ distanced himself, making "King Kong" and "The Lovely Bones" instead, heck he wasn't even going to direct it but everything fell into place.

In the end, I am really pleased with how the film turned out to be. You can really tell PJ tried his best to bring back memories from the LOTR Trilogy and a number of instances in the film made me feel like I stepped into a time machine.

Why would anyone want to compare "The Hobbit" to the LOTR Trilogy, I have no idea. These are two separate stories in the same world. There is no way it is going to have the epic scale of those films, but we did see glimpses of war and (again) LOTR fans would rejoice.
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Agree on the bold part.

So i already watched 2d version. Just wanna ask u guys here is it worth it (in terms of the watching experience not the film itself) in IMAX 3d?

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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Dec 17 2012, 04:32 PM)
It's based on the books. A film should never punish it's viewers for not knowing the source material. Oddly, it seems now that knowing the source material is what the problem is right now. I didn't even know "The Hobbit" was more of a children's story until recently.

The tie-in factor with LOTR was present because the film is an adaptation of the book and I'm confident it was seen an opportunity to have the references in it. Had the film been done just like books, the question would then be on why make the less menacing and the lack of coherence with the LOTR plot would come into questioning. Perhaps if I did read the book, I would have a different opinion altogether but I didn't.

I didn't find much issues with the film at all except for the darn IMAX. I think my viewing experience would be even better in 48fps.

On another note, the film has grossed over $220 million.
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I agree. Here in this instance, not knowing the source material made the movie all the more unbelievable. I don't know. Perhaps a couple of viewers that were seated in front of me in the cinema when I was watching the movie said it best.

When the credits rolled, one viewer uttered one word which I think described the whole thing : "Huh?"

Now, here's a viewer that truly did not know the source material.
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QUOTE(nazanto @ Dec 17 2012, 04:46 PM)
Agree on the bold part.

So i already watched 2d version. Just wanna ask u guys here is it worth it (in terms of the watching experience not the film itself) in IMAX 3d?
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For me, no. Not really worth it. The one at 1U was blurry and noticeably pixelated, felt like they failed to properly configure the display or something. 2D version is in 24fps, so if planning on seeing it again why not go 48fps instead... the 'rarest' of all at this point.


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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Dec 17 2012, 05:08 PM)
For me, no. Not really worth it. The one at 1U was blurry and noticeably pixelated, felt like they failed to properly configure the display or something. 2D version is in 24fps, so if planning on seeing it again why not go 48fps instead... the 'rarest' of all at this point.
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so where available this 48fps?
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QUOTE(nazanto @ Dec 17 2012, 05:16 PM)
so where available this 48fps?
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Refer: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=56858945
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QUOTE(Ninja @ Dec 17 2012, 05:17 PM)
Thanks though! I thought imax 3d would be better so i guess it not then.
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QUOTE(nazanto @ Dec 17 2012, 05:16 PM)
so where available this 48fps?
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Posted here previously,

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/624050/+240#

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post Dec 17 2012, 05:20 PM

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48fps mean 3D?
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QUOTE(ragk @ Dec 17 2012, 05:20 PM)
48fps mean 3D?
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post Dec 17 2012, 07:01 PM

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TGV markets HFR 3D as 'normal' 3D at selected cinemas while GSC actually labels them 'hfr 3D' at Pavilion and Gardens...for those who found the motion-blurring just too much, you will definitely love the extra details found on 48fps.

Simply put, I strongly believe the movie is meant to be watched in its native format. Yes, it will take 30-60min for your eyes to adjust to the faster frame rates but it is very well worth it for the action scenes alone. Also, unlike previous 3D showing, the HFR 3D that I watched at 1U TGV was bright and clear (the horrible 2D at neighbouring GSC just could not compete at all when I watched it on Thursday).

And ironically, the afternoon cinema hall on Saturday where I watched the 'normal' 3D was completely empty (only 7 of us were in there) while the nearby IMAX hall was quite packed...this in 1U during a premiering weekend is almost unheard of. While understanding the commercial aspect of ticket sales (RM32 for IMAX 3D vs RM22 for 'normal' 3D), TGV doesn't do justice in its marketing of the Hobbit HFR 3D as they should have considering more of their venues actually supporting it...
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For me, the 48p in Gardens was worth it. For RM32, you get physically excellent seats, no queue, 48p and the best of all, THX. But I do admit the hot dog was abit expensive. RM7 is like a KFC meal.

48p works fantastic during the action sequence. But it kind of dulls down during dialogue session. Maybe it was the camera angle, maybe it was the characters. Not as 'memorable' as the Fellowship. Heck, I can't even name a single dwarf. Ok, ok, The Hobbit was originally meant as a children's book.
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Some spoiler regarding Azog and Bolg (his son) a possible future of the 3rd movie
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Just got back from HFR The Hobbit at TGV.
HFR is freaking awesome drool.gif

Was a bit skeptical at first because people been saying it's like watching those soap operas on TV or behind the scene footage, but it's NOT. It's totally different.
Looking forward to watch more movies in this format.

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QUOTE(BeastX @ Dec 17 2012, 07:49 PM)
Some spoiler regarding Azog and Bolg (his son) a possible future of the 3rd movie
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I think PJ will put them both together (tag team?) as the Dwarven/Goblin wars was fought earlier and as you just stated,

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Dec 17 2012, 04:06 PM)
Ok. I'm going to do a little analysis here with regards to the movie and Tolkien's book.

Don't get me wrong. The Hobbit : An Unexpected Journey is not a bad movie by far. Great production values and special effects. I'm just a little bummed out that they dragged it out like they did but that's just me.

As always, analysis cannot be made without revealing details of the movie so spoilers are ahead.

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Actually, to be fair, The Fellowship does start off light as well, with the long expected party and it's related events...and only become progressively darker as the books move along.

I do agree on some of your points though...some parts were certainly unnecessary. Example, I thought the stone giants, while being well done, was really just for eye candy's sake.


Added on December 17, 2012, 9:36 pm
QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Dec 17 2012, 04:32 PM)
It's based on the books. A film should never punish it's viewers for not knowing the source material. Oddly, it seems now that knowing the source material is what the problem is right now. I didn't even know "The Hobbit" was more of a children's story until recently.

The tie-in factor with LOTR was present because the film is an adaptation of the book and I'm confident it was seen an opportunity to have the references in it. Had the film been done just like books, the question would then be on why make the less menacing and the lack of coherence with the LOTR plot would come into questioning. Perhaps if I did read the book, I would have a different opinion altogether but I didn't.

I didn't find much issues with the film at all except for the darn IMAX. I think my viewing experience would be even better in 48fps.

On another note, the film has grossed over $220 million.
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Hmm, however from my view, there were many references that people NOT knowing the source material would simply get overwhelmed with too. I appreciated it since I read all the books, but most non-readers would simply be wondering what that was all about perhaps? And some of those are incidental stuff that relates to LOTR but doesn't directly impact on it.

I'm more worried about the tone of the movies...overall, The Hobbit : An Unexpected Journey is pretty respectful of the books. I hope PJ doesn't screw around much like he did for Two Towers and Return of the King.

Thranduil, abandoning the Dwarves? I haven't read the Hobbit for a couple of years, but I certainly don't remember this issue. Thorin's father getting killed in battle? I seem to remember he was captured and tortured rather than falling in battle.

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Dec 17 2012, 04:06 PM)
Ok. I'm going to do a little analysis here with regards to the movie and Tolkien's book.

Don't get me wrong. The Hobbit : An Unexpected Journey is not a bad movie by far. Great production values and special effects. I'm just a little bummed out that they dragged it out like they did but that's just me.

As always, analysis cannot be made without revealing details of the movie so spoilers are ahead.

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Enjoyed reading your opinion, bro.
I think you would've love Del Torro's The Hobbit better.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hobbit_(f..._interpretation

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Boyens revealed that it would have had a different script and visual elements, and would more closely have resembled a fairy tale




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