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Movies LOTR & Hobbit Movies Thread, NOW: THE BATTLE OF THE FIVE ARMIES

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post Dec 17 2012, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(shinjite @ Dec 17 2012, 11:30 AM)
I bet most likely it will have an extended edition like LOTR
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PJ has confirmed there will be an additional 20 to 25 minutes for extended edition next year for Unexpected Journey. biggrin.gif
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oo, thanks for the reply. blush.gif

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Dec 17 2012, 11:29 AM)
It feels to me like Peter Jackson is mercilessly trying to milk his LOTR franchise for all that it's worth. Much of what's in this movie alone actually comes from the appendixes in the LOTR books. The Hobbit was a very straightforward children's tale. Yes. The Hobbit was a children's book and was planned as a one-off to boot. It does not and will not have an epic scale like LOTR did. Peter Jackson seems to be trying to make it epic but he only made it overly long.
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Overly long = unnecessary scenes? I found the length only a minor issue, and I barely felt the 170 minutes runtime. The fact that I did genuinely care for some of the characters is already an achievement. I was really afraid if the 'adventure feel' would be lost. Peter Jackson had always wanted to 'complete' the LOTR Trilogy with The Hobbit, back then he was not well known at all and it was a big risk to have green-lit three films.

After the LOTR Trilogy, there was a lot of talk about doing The Hobbit but PJ distanced himself, making "King Kong" and "The Lovely Bones" instead, heck he wasn't even going to direct it but everything fell into place.

In the end, I am really pleased with how the film turned out to be. You can really tell PJ tried his best to bring back memories from the LOTR Trilogy and a number of instances in the film made me feel like I stepped into a time machine.

Why would anyone want to compare "The Hobbit" to the LOTR Trilogy, I have no idea. These are two separate stories in the same world. There is no way it is going to have the epic scale of those films, but we did see glimpses of war and (again) LOTR fans would rejoice.






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post Dec 17 2012, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Dec 17 2012, 11:29 AM)
It feels to me like Peter Jackson is mercilessly trying to milk his LOTR franchise for all that it's worth. Much of what's in this movie alone actually comes from the appendixes in the LOTR books. The Hobbit was a very straightforward children's tale. Yes. The Hobbit was a children's book and was planned as a one-off to boot. It does not and will not have an epic scale like LOTR did. Peter Jackson seems to be trying to make it epic but he only made it overly long.
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That’s the feeling I have few weeks before the movie hit the local cinemas and that’s also the reason why I have my reservation on this movie. I have yet to watch it and honestly, I’m not excited about it.

With all the video logs and production videos being released, I felt like PJ is trying really hard to recapture and reproduce that same essence emitted from LOTR trilogy.

That’s me.

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post Dec 17 2012, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(William Somerset @ Dec 17 2012, 01:09 PM)
That’s the feeling I have few weeks before the movie hit the local cinemas and that’s also the reason why I have my reservation on this movie. I have yet to watch it and honestly, I’m not excited about it.

With all the video logs and production videos being released, I felt like PJ is trying really hard to recapture and reproduce that same essence emitted from LOTR trilogy.

That’s me.
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Eh? Pete loves to share his production details as always. He is always keen on talking about film-making process. I have the "King Kong Production Diaries" - 2 DVDs dedicated entirely for day-to-day production videos.

For the LOTR Trilogy, three Extended Edition DVD box set - you'd be surprised by the number of production videos (making of...), the details are astounding (favorite is when they showed exactly what happens from start to finish for a single scene - life of a raw film reel).

So it could just be you feeling that way... tongue.gif

Planning on watching it again on HFR3D this weekend.


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Watched it yesterday. Nice music, nice tone to it. Some needed violence (very minor- beheading goblins). That epic dwarf song is still automatically repeating in my head till now.

I didn't once feel the long runtime. I wished it was longer, tbh.

Last but not least, Gandalf is casting more spells that he did in LOTR. And the same plot hole as many claimed..

"Why not just use the eagles through out the journey?"

For non readers, it's normal to have this thought. I'm not a reader myself but I did myself some researches.

"The lord of the eagles saves Bilbo and the dwarves because Gandalf had saved his life when he had been injured by an arrow. It was just a favor to return the debt, they're not servants, they're not horses or carriers."
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Dec 17 2012, 01:43 PM)
Eh? Pete loves to share his production details as always. He is always keen on talking about film-making process. I have the "King Kong Production Diaries" - 2 DVDs dedicated entirely for day-to-day production videos.

For the LOTR Trilogy, three Extended Edition DVD box set - you'd be surprised by the number of production videos (making of...), the details are astounding (favorite is when they showed exactly what happens from start to finish for a single scene - life of a raw film reel).

So it could just be you feeling that way...  tongue.gif

Planning on watching it again on HFR3D this weekend.
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Love watching all those LOTR production videos, especially the part taht shows the bonding and friendship of the actors~ Really heartwarming~ biggrin.gif
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Gonna watch again soon, this time in 48fps. (previously in 3D 24fps)

Anyone watched both and compared? 24fps/48fps...which one u prefer? smile.gif

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I think it's not me that's comparing The Hobbit with LOTR. I think it's Peter Jackson himself that's making the comparison. I would have been perfectly happy if the tale was told in just one movie.

Spoilers alert! If you don't want to spoil your movie, DO NOT read further!

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QUOTE(Ninja @ Dec 17 2012, 02:00 PM)
Love watching all those LOTR production videos, especially the part taht shows the bonding and friendship of the actors~ Really heartwarming~ biggrin.gif
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Yeah that too... especially the last day of filming on "Return of the King" where everyone was really emotional.


QUOTE(shootkk @ Dec 17 2012, 02:26 PM)
I think it's not me that's comparing The Hobbit with LOTR. I think it's Peter Jackson himself that's making the comparison. I would have been perfectly happy if the tale was told in just one movie.

Spoilers alert! If you don't want to spoil your movie, DO NOT read further!

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I don't quite know the length of which the film has based its content on the books because I have never read the books. Indeed I've heard about "The Hobbit" being a children's tale... but if that's how it is then so be it. At the end of the day it is still a fantasy film, and a really good one too.

It is never LOTR epicness in terms of scale or story, because it NEVER was in the first place. Did I feel like the film was trying to be epic? No.. To me I see it as how PJ has interpreted the story and made decisions that would please any LOTR fan. If one has never seen the LOTR films, they are still in for a wonderful time but are missing on so many references of what is to transpire on an epic scale.

Anyways,
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Dec 17 2012, 02:26 PM)
I think it's not me that's comparing The Hobbit with LOTR. I think it's Peter Jackson himself that's making the comparison. I would have been perfectly happy if the tale was told in just one movie.

Spoilers alert! If you don't want to spoil your movie, DO NOT read further!

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for me who already finished the book, no surprise at all. in fact all of them will survive until the Battle of Five Ways.
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That is a major spoiler right there. laugh.gif
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Yeah that too... especially the last day of filming on "Return of the King" where everyone was really emotional.
I don't quite know the length of which the film has based its content on the books because I have never read the books. Indeed I've heard about "The Hobbit" being a children's tale... but if that's how it is then so be it. At the end of the day it is still a fantasy film, and a really good one too.

It is never LOTR epicness in terms of scale or story, because it NEVER was in the first place. Did I feel like the film was trying to be epic? No.. To me I see it as how PJ has interpreted the story and made decisions that would please any LOTR fan. If one has never seen the LOTR films, they are still in for a wonderful time but are missing on so many references of what is to transpire on an epic scale.

Anyways,
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Yeah, "True courage is about not knowing when to take a life, but when to spare one"~

I remember from FOTR, when Frodo mentioned that:

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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Dec 17 2012, 03:22 PM)
That is a major spoiler right there. laugh.gif
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Not necessarily... on film, there can always be changes.

On a different note, I think the third film will bridge the gap between "The Hobbit" and "Fellowship of the Ring" ; could possibly be a film based on references/hints of what could have transpired between that time. The image of Legolas says it all.

Benedict Cumberbatch plays the The Necromancer... hmm, interesting. Storyline for "There and Back Again"

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Shouldn't this be film two? hmm.gif

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Are you sure Cumberbatch is The Necromancer? Because he is casted as Smaug.
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Yeah, he was casted as Smaug and also as Necromancer.
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is the blue wizard come out on next two movie? hmm.gif


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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Dec 17 2012, 03:36 PM)
Are you sure Cumberbatch is The Necromancer? Because he is casted as Smaug.
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Says on IMDB... "Smaug / The Necromancer" for second film and just "The Necomancer" for third film.


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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Dec 17 2012, 03:36 PM)
Are you sure Cumberbatch is The Necromancer? Because he is casted as Smaug.
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it was stated in his wiki entry. he will be playing both.
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I'm aware of the LOTR production videos e.g. actors and actresses fooling around (Viggo and Bernand's NG was the best i.e. “They’ll take you into a dark room, my lord. They’ll scan your very skull, so that they can make toys for children to play stupid games!”), cuts and screen shots, NGs, make-up process, and etc but if I recall it right, those videos were released after the movie was released and not before or perhaps I was not crazy enough to hunt down these videos if it was released before movie did; thus, rendering it enjoyable.

Like I said, that’s me.

However, I'm interested in the new 48fps 3D format though. Perhaps those who have watched it in this format could relay your experience, in comparison with the iMAX 3D format as well as the differences between the iMAX in One Utama and that of Sunway Pyramid.

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