I'm from USM, so naturally I was there. XD

Umm , I know this is kinda early to ask about the LAM part 1 n 2 exams, but from your diagram, issit UM,USM,UIAM do not need the LAM part 1 exam whereas UTM does not need LAM part 1/part 2 exams?

PS: I scared of exams hahaz.. ever since spm

UM, USM, UIAM, UiTM and UTM degrees will allow u to skip the part 1 exam.

UM, USM, UiTM second degrees and UTM degree will allow u to skip the part 2 exam.

My lecturer just asked me to work for his company doing 3D,drafting,photoshop thingy n mostly presentation things.I just want to know how much do we usually get paid doing this? I dont really mind about the money, just want the experience.Its my first time working.But i want to know just for comparison.

Will be working the usual working hours for a month.Any advice?

This post has been edited by croviax: Jun 21 2008, 10:45 PM

Thanks for clarifying...

Hey azarimy, just want to ask. I saw on the web the procedures to apply RIBA and PAM Graduate Membership. But just want to clarify. Do we need transcripts as proof of graduation and accreditation? How do they know that we are accredited?

will u be working freelance or contract? freelancers get paid by job, meaning how much u get paid depends highly on how much a job is awarded to u. if by contract, u should expect between RM1000 to RM1300. if it's a practical training, expect less than that.

yes, u would need the transcripts and ur degree certificates. usually they have a list of schools that are accredited, and they can easily verify ur status by contacting ur university. if they cant find ur university or unable to determine ur accreditation status, they might call u for an interview or to review ur portfolio.

did anyone here take a loan to study architecture in overseas university? i'm contemplating on getting one because my parents cant afford it.

i might go to hku and i probably need rm150k for 3 years, maybe more. i will be going to different banks to ask about their loan repayment system and stuffs like that tomorrow, but first i need to know: how much will i be getting paid every month when i graduate with a PAM I and II? have anyone ever heard of someone not being able to pay back the bank?

how long will it usually take for a fresh graduate with a Part I and II to get his/her Part III? or do people usually work for 5, 6, or 7 years before trying to get their Part III?

one more thing: i went to PAM's website to look at the accreditation list but the link is broken. so i went to the LAM website instead but found that HKU wasn't in that list but i'm 100% SURE i saw 'HKU' in PAM's list because that's how i came across this university in the first place. so what could cause this discrepancy?

(btw, HKU is still in the list in the first post of this thread by sir azarimy)

Click this link for the LAM accreditation list

Can a university suddenly Not be accredited? okay, i suppose there is that possibility, but...hku?

that's weird, i referred the same page and HKU was in the list, the last time i checked. but no worries, as long as HKU is accredited by RIBA, u should be fine.

and yes, a university can suddenly be unaccredited. actually, NUS was on the verge of being unaccredited by RIBA about 2 years ago bcoz of some internal issues that they had concerning their standard of examination. but seems that they got through that.

anyways, for ur 1st question:

a part 2 architect will start at around RM2200 in the big cities (KL, penang, JB), or around RM1800-RM2000 outside those areas. u should be able to reach RM3000 within 5 years, and usually RM4500 within 10 years. some of my friends have already broken the RM4500 barrier within 6 years, so it depends on how good u are.

the fastest u can get part 3 is 2 years after u've graduated. but normally it takes people 5-10 years to get a part 3.

'fine' as in....i'll get a job in HK and UK but not in malaysia? that means i can't come back to look for a job until i pass my Part I and II, right? *sigh* what is the procedure of sitting for a part I and II exam? am i only required to mail my portfolios (accumulated during my university education, i suppose?) and wait for their assessments then go sit for an interview on a fixed date? then they'll determined whether i'm qualified? and that'll usually takes up...half a year?

and thanks for the info

This post has been edited by yuexia: Jun 22 2008, 09:32 AM

fine as in, u can work in malaysia, but u cant start preparing for part 3 until u've taken LAM part 1 and 2. u see, RIBA is internationally recognized, which includes malaysian practice. alot of people with RIBA are currently working in malaysia WITHOUT LAM, and they dont mind about it. LAM dont mind at all, that is, if they dont plan to become a part 3 architect. in order to become a part 3 architect, u need to fill in a logbook starting from the point u've gained ur LAM part 2. so until they've taken the LAM part 2, they're just wasting their time, which is totally fine.

with RIBA part 2, the LAM exams are fairly simple. submit ur application, and they will call for interview. during the interview, show and present ALL ur portfolios during ur part 1 and 2 degrees. u dont mail ur portfolio, but rather, u go there and present it urself. if u managed to score atleast a B in all ur design subjects, u should pass the LAM exam in a breeze. and that's it. all things done, u'll be walking with a LAM part 2 by the end of the day.

but if they feel that it is not enough, they'll require u to gain experience and do some assignments to make up for the shortcomings. this will make the process longer, up to 6 months.

We (KAED UIAM) especially the dept of architecture just finish our accredetation for part 2 and renewing our part 1 early of this month. Now, just wait for another 3 months for the result.

Azarimy, Dr. Syed Iskandar gave a hint to my lecturers before he left last time, "See you in 5 years" which mean a good sign for us. Anyway, we just pray that we'll success this time. Our dept had worked so hard especially my batch (5th year, final year part 2) for this accredetation.

I just started working, currently big-big firm especially like GDP, RSP, BEP, VERITAS ans etc are increasing the starting salary to the fresh gradute due to current petrol price. So, for the fresh graduate who want to start with these big firms, u can demand and they can pay...(experience through my ex-studiomate)

can i ask watz the difference between landscape n architect?
seniors told me landscape still design buildings, but not skyscrapers
but some say we r gardeners.. blink.gif

landscape architects and architects are both designers in the built environment but using very different subjects with different tools on a different canvas.

architects design buildings, his materials are bricks, concrete, timber, steel and so on. his canvas is the usually an empty site ready to be built on.

landscape architects design the environment, his materials are floras and some hardscapes, and his canvas is the natural environment in compliment with the built environment.

in a way, landscape architects ARE gardeners, just as people refer architects as draftpersons. yes, architects do draft, but that's not their job. landscape architects do gardening, but that's not exactly what they do. architects are armed with the knowledge of building construction, socio-cultural issues, technology and so on in order to design and build a building. landscape architects on the other hand are armed with botanical knowledge. they have enough knowledge about plants and its properties to become a botanist, but with a design edge. this allows landscapers to design and compose the open environment usually left by architects.

originally architects are the one who do the landscapes. but due to the complex nature of the built environment, landscape architects nowadays have become a necessity bcoz of their expertise in the natural environment, soft scape and the language of open spaces. just like the interior designers who specializes in interior spaces.


landscape architects do not design buildings. hardscape, yes. but they dont build buildings unless they're qualified as an architect first (with LAM part 1 or part 2 qualifications). ur senior might be confused with the old ways of training the landscape architect. before 1997 in malaysia, all landscape architects will be trained as architects with part 1 qualification. after gaining their part 1, they will venture into either architecture (with Part 2) or landscape architecture. this means they are indeed qualified to design and build small buildings (shop lot, bungalows etc).

but nowadays, u can start into landscape architecture straight after STPM without the need to join architecture first. this is so that u dont waste time to study architecture if u just wanna be a landscape architect. however, architects with part 1 could still venture landscape architecture after their degree if they still want.

hi, Azarimy...I'am new here, I wanna ask something, referring to your "4.0. Common Paths to Studying Architecture" route 1...
I am actually planning to go for foundation in UCSI>>3yrs Degree in UCSI>>LAM part 1>>UTM LAM part 2...it sud be ok if everything goes well right??

now my prob is..can I enter UTM B.Arch LAM part 1&2..if I get my foundation in UCSI?? will UTM accept their foundation??is it possible??any chances??

thx...

This post has been edited by WhiteBox: Jun 24 2008, 05:11 AM

for the first one, u need to get accredited with LAM part 1 before u can join UTM for part 2. UCSI's degree is not accredited by LAM part 1, meaning u need to sit for exam independently. do check with UCSI in how to do this. some schools organize their students to sit for the exam in bulk.

for the second one, no, UTM or any other IPTAs do not recognize foundation programmes in IPTS. they dont even recognize foundation programmes from other IPTAs as well. foundation programme is a short course conducted and regulated by a school to feed for degree courses conducted in the same school. so any foundation programmes (for any course) u see in malaysia are normally not recognized by other institution. so for UTM, u either go via STPM, matrics or diploma.

some questions here..
I have decided to go UK after finish my diploma in taylors college. But i m worrying about the University that I want to go. My target is probably UCL or sheffield U. put aside the exemption(probably not so easy to get if now wrong?). am I going to qualify to enter this 2 uni? I mean with my qualification from diploma in taylors,how high is my chance to enter this 2 university?

hope to hear ur opinion, Mr.aza

hi utm archi-08/09 batch .
no senior or junior among us . dont use that term among us . it diverts the relationship .
pm me if u are coming into utm .

ur diploma qualification should be enough for u to enter these universities, but they're also looking for design flare in ur design. if u're a play-safe designer with an 3.70cgpa, they might not consider u at all. sheffield might, but probably not bartlett.

i dun understand wad u mean by "play-safe designer".they might not consider u at all mean that all ur design work is boring or?

This post has been edited by mars16: Jun 24 2008, 09:18 PM