Fibre under MSAP control. The difference is TM RAO is fixed from year 2023 till the renew MSAP version. And they have this things called Tier Pricing. The rest can offer even more cheaper bcoz they just copy paste MSAP to their own RAO.

If that happen and all agree to share tower, DNB 1 will be strongest. But I think moving forward they will still be fragmentation where telcos will use DNB1 + DNB2, given U Mobile's promise for cheaper access rate.

I believe they allow it, just that without working together, which telco willing to do nationwide HSBB alone? End up they only target specific areas and try not to overlap each other.

Problem now is how they want to integrate existing Huawei and ZTE with DNB Ericcson

Let's see what this gomen is doing!!
After announcement of winner both big giant tak puas hati with Govt and MCMC. We need to wait until U Mobile withdraw stack from DNB and awarding spectrum to build 2nd 5G network
MCMC remains silent about to explain about criteria to choose

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AFAIK, around 2012, the government instructed TM HSBB Fibre to give access to other ISPs like Astro, Maxis and Digi, as per MSAP terms.
....... Thereafter, Maxis began contracting with housing developers to exclusively lay Maxis fibre cables in their new Taman/s, in order to have a captive market, but Maxis's "backhaul" connection to the Internet for their "exclusive" new Taman/s was still via TM HSBB Fibre network. Before that, most old/existing Taman/s had TM fibre cables deployed in their backlanes whose residents might subscribe to ISPs other than TM Unifi Fibre if there were available ports. Eg .......

https://www.maxis.com.my/ms/about-maxis/new...omes-in-melaka/ - Maxis dan Teladan Setia bekerjasama untuk membawa kesalinghubungan fiber ke lebih ramai penduduk Melaka
23 Mar 2022

- Perkongsian bakal membawa kesalinghubungan fiber ke lebih 2,100 penduduk di Taman Bertam Heights, Melaka
- Memanfaatkan binaan fiber Maxis untuk membawa kesalinghubungan yang lancar melalui pelan Maxis Home Fibre setelah serahan milikan kosong
- Pelan Maxis Home Fibre menawarkan kelajuan pantas sehingga 800Mbps dan pengalaman WiFi yang dipertingkatkan

IOW, Maxis does not has it's own HSBB Fibre network like TM.

TIME Fibre mostly services many condos and apartments, not TM Unifi Fibre. Was this by government arrangement.?
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 10 2024, 09:19 PM

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https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ile-says-fahmi/ - 2024/11/09 - mcmc-can-impose-additional-conditions-on-u-mobile-says-fahmi
CYBERJAYA: The Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission (MCMC) has the right to impose additional conditions on U Mobile Sdn Bhd before granting them the spectrum to operate the country’s second 5G network, says communications minister Fahmi Fadzil.

He said these conditions are necessary to maintain balance and ensure healthy competition among telecommunications companies (telcos).

“This is standard procedure. We must distinguish between the criteria for selection and the conditions for spectrum allocation. ...

Emphasising that the additional conditions are designed to ensure effective collaboration between U Mobile and Digital Nasional Bhd (DNB), Fahmi added a similar approach was taken with Celcom Digi Bhd during their merger in 2022.

“When Celcom and Digi merged, MCMC imposed conditions, including the return of some spectrum.

“If U Mobile plans to collaborate with other telcos to develop the country’s second 5G network, MCMC will apply similar conditions,” he said. ....
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As per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Nasional ..., MCMC has allotted DNB1 ....
200MHz for mid-band 3.5GHz (= 4Gbps of bandwidth),
80MHz for low-band 700MHz (= 1.6Gbps of bandwidth) and
1600MHz for high-band/mmWave 28Ghz (not used by most of the masses),
which bandwidth DNB1 has been selling to the 5 celcos, eg Maxis is paying RM360 million per year per 1,000 cell towers for 1Gbps of 5G access while the other celcos are paying RM288 million per year (= fewer cell towers). This is besides the upfront (deposit) payment of RM230 million per celco for 5G access.

With DNB2 or U Mobile deploying it's 5G infrastructure soon, what will happen to the above 5G spectrum.?, let's say if TM Unifi Mobile and Maxis will decide to dump DNB1 next year and collaborate with DNB2 via a cheaper RAN agreement.? Re-allotment.?
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 10 2024, 09:24 PM

Every network slows as adoption increases. My point is that even with more users, DNB 5G speed ranking is still outperforming Malaysia early 4G rollout speed ranking, which had much lower rankings globally. Do you deny this fact



Aiyo, you don't read properly is it? I already said 100 times I compare 3-YEAR TO 3-YEAR la. DNB 5G ranking vs telco 4G ranking both at 3 years after launch. Not comparing old 4G vs new 5G. Don't twist my words pls.

Funny, because when the 5G load is similar, countries like New Zealand, Japan, and the Philippines all have slower 5G speeds than Malaysia. So, tell me again how this is an unfair or biased comparison?

The fact is, DNB hit 80% nationwide coverage in 3 years, while Telcos took over a decade to roll out 4G. Yes, DNB indoor coverage is still expanding, but that’s a long-term process, you can’t expect it to be perfect in 3 years. Telcos didn’t have full in-building coverage during their early 4G rollout either, yet you’re suddenly holding DNB to a higher standard.

This is straight-up misinformation. L700 is a legitimate part of the 5G spectrum allocation under ITU standards. Just because it has better penetration, doesn’t make it not 5G. By your logic, DSS and NSA used globally for 5G is also “not 5G”?

That’s literally the POINT of spectrum differences. High band for speed, low band for coverage. If you think Telcos don’t also rely on low band spectrum for coverage, you’re kidding yourself. DNB strategy prioritizes widespread coverage first while gradually densifying.

Oh wow, a company promotes its product? Shocking. You act like telcos don’t advertise. Still doesn’t change the fact that DNB 5G speeds ranking are outperforming what 4G ranking in the same timeframe.

Competition? You mean like how “competitive” 4G telcos gave us garbage speeds for years? Where was all this “competition” when rural 4G coverage was neglected? Funny how you trust the same telcos that milked users with high prices and poor service to “drive the industry.” Show me la where your precious "competitive" 4G telcos got better rankings in their early years? I've asked 1000 times already, still waiting for your data...

Here the thing, Malaysia already has publicly regulated pricing for things like petrol and electricity, which benefits us with cheaper prices. TNB ensures stable electricity, unlike Thailand with messy powerline and Texas freezing incident. So, why is it a problem when DNB, in just 3 years, has already achieved more than Telcos did in 4G rollout, while also providing cheaper bills for consumers?

5G infrastructure costs are massive. It’s not like clicking a button to roll out software. The fact that 4G still struggles with congestion and call issues after years of operation proves that running a network isn’t cheap or easy. Instead of focusing on a second network, how about addressing why mergers like Celcom and Digi happened in the first place? Maybe running a 24/7 network isn’t as profitable as you think.








This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Nov 18 2024, 10:17 PM

Do share the 3rd year Msia 4G speed comparison with rest of the world as per openSignal. Dont forget to compare unbiasedly on the amount of spectrum each telco had.

Back then, MCMC only give every telco 10Mhz instead of standard 20Mhz for 4G deployment, instead gave newbie Altel majority of spectrum and also Redtone 10Mhz (Both Redtone and Altel never have 4G services till today). Probably that why it was sucks initially…
Telco been forced to rent spectrum from Altel and Redtone … if telco not being forced to rent, they will have money to able to build more sites to reach higher coverage … so is MCMC fault in a way.

DNB “fortunate” to receive 120Mhz for itself and with gov pumping money in to support and help extort telco to subscribe and buy its stake. If DNB like telco back then get partial 30Mhz instead, you will see how fast is the speed compare to others globally …

DNB reaching the self declared 80% coverage which contributed highly by 700Mhz, if they are building using 2600Mhz (like 4G), they wont be able to hit that number at current pace …

DNB inbuilding after 3 years not even into a single mall is i think cause they ran out of money. Telco focus on where user is so they will go into building and malls instead of rural … this is true. DNB saves all those money and build more outdoor to reach higher outdoor coverage … so that is the trade off … building inbuilding does not give DNB the shout of reaching 80% despite benefiting more people … so they target outdoor instead cause chasing for the 80% shout … they know Fahmi likes the fame

And due to poor inbuilding, the consumption of 5G become low, adoption slow, so 5G speed is higher cause lower user than supposed to be using it…

So i said comparison you made is skewed and biased as a lot of facts deliberately undeclared merely to hard sell DNB. There is impossible to have a proper comparison between 4G and 5G deployment in Msia …

And why I said DNB wasted money on advertising and marketing, cause they have no customers besides of the 6 telcos which MCMC extort and force to buy their stakes … so their ad is to justified their existence …

U Mobile's 5G deal: The inside story you may not have heard

https://newswav.com/article/u-mobile-s-5g-d...rd-A2411_BAsSDh

Owh understand MCMC Chairman is giving his favorite company also he part of it.
Boo Madani MCMC government

But, if there is no DNB, most of the telco wont have the access to mid band, eg maxis 100mhz um 100mhz celcomdigi 0mhz...

This will cause malaysia 5g speed low like 4g era.

So... It seems have to accept that DNB is a must for malaysia due to malaysia gov or mcmc like to distribute the band unfairly.

Guys... Dun think of gov so fair to everything. Everyone know the 10mhz for telco and 20mhz for non-telco issue at 4g time, y u guys expect without DNB all telco will have 5G license?

I only know about royalty connection

But this news article exposed more...

Didn't know he MCMC chairman "links" with Vincent Tan via his other company MRCB....

Really plot twist...

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https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/698751 - MRCB, Berjaya Land and IJM confirm in consortium to bid for KL-Singapore HSR project - 26 Jan 2024

https://www.maxis.com.my/en/about-maxis/new...nt-development/ - Maxis partners IJM Perennial and GlobalComm to deliver integrated connectivity and smart city solutions to Penang’s latest iconic waterfront development
19 Aug 2024

So, how come Maxis did not get the 5G DNB2 contract.?

How come CelcomDigi, a well-connected GLC, also did not get.?

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https://soyacincau.com/2024/11/06/mcmc-why-...network-tender/ - 2024/11/06 - MCMC explains why U Mobile was picked to roll out Malaysia’s second 5G network
= was MCMC lying.?, as alleged by the newswav article above.?
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Maybe MCMC has reserved DNB1 to be taken over by CelcomDigi and Maxis who both have deep pockets to fund DNB1.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 19 2024, 04:55 PM

So now what is the update?

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Latest related news update: .......

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2024...ster-says-fahmi - 2024/11/27 - 'Horrifying and concerning': DNB's dealings a mystery when I became minister, says Fahmi
.... Fahmi was responding to Hassan Abdul Karim (PH-Pasir Gudang), who had asked about claims that [the previous Perikatan Nasional coalition, led by then-prime minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin, allocated RM16.5bil of taxpayer money for the first 5G network rollout through DNB.

Fahmi said he could not explain DNB further as it was now under the Digital Ministry’s purview. ...

= DNB1 and DNB2 are now under Digital Ministry or Gobind Singh Deo. Was the recent award of DNB2 to U Mobile decided solely by the Digital Ministry or by MCMC.?
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Gobind: No issues concerning DNB’s governance, finance and administration since Digital Ministry took over


Digital Minister Gobind Singh Deo said the results of a due diligence exercise carried out on Digital Nasional Berhad (DNB) showed there were no issues concerning its governance, finances, and administration.

While wrapping up the debate on the 2025 budget for his ministry in the Dewan Rakyat this evening, Gobind said the due diligence exercise carried out this year was necessary and that it showed that everything in DNB was in order.

"The issue of RM16.5 billion said to be funds channelled and used by DNB was brought up (in the Dewan Rakyat) yesterday," said Gobind.

"Let me state clearly here that since my ministry took over DNB, we have called relevant parties involved in DNB to provide a full explanation regarding problems and issues that had been raised."

"I would like to clearly state that if there exist, or it is brought to my attention that there are matters that need to be looked into... extraordinary matters ... I will take action," he said.

In the Dewan Rakyat on Tuesday, Hassan Karim (PH-Pasir Gudang) questioned the Communications Ministry about the allocations for the first and second 5G networks and asked if it was true that the former Perikatan Nasional government had allocated RM16.5 billion of public funds for DNB’s first 5G rollout. Hassan had also asked how much of this sum had already been spent.

In response, Communications Minister Fahmi Fadzil said the matter was under the purview of the Digital Ministry.

In the Dewan Rakyat today, Gobind said that the RM16.5 billion was for a 10-year period.

"To date, I would like to state that the RM16.5 billion for 10 years does not involve government funds except for an equity injection of RM500 million in 2021 and a shareholder loan amounting to RM450 million from the Ministry of Finance (Incorporated) in May 2023.

"MOF Inc is a shareholder. These are the only funds that came from the parties I had mentioned," Gobind said.


https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/gobind-no-i...-114046748.html

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https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2024...der-says-gobind - 2024/11/28 - DNB -audit-reveals-all-dealings-in-order-says-gobind
.... Gobind said the RM16.5bil funds to DNB were for a 10-year period and did not fully involve government funds.

He said government funds only involved a RM500mil equity injection in 2021 and a shareholder loan of RM450mil from the Minister of Finance Inc in May 2023.

“As of 2024, DNB has also spent as much as RM5 bil for developing and maintaining its 5G network,” he said.

“Apart from that, DNB’s expenditure was carried out through private loans, including banks and other sources,” he added.

Gobind added that government funds in DNB as well as bank loans, would be taken over by telecommunications companies and later paid to the government as part of the transition process to the dual-network 5G model.

“In other words, the government will still be paid by telcos and clearly shows that it will not sustain any losses,” he said.

Gobind said 41 projects worth RM51.8mil were awarded by DNB this year through a tender process.

“We always emphasise transparency when it comes to any steps taken by DNB,” he said, adding that it will continue being an industry player.

“I want to stress here, that we will investigate if there are any issues. We take an open approach,” Gobind added. ...


So far, DNB1 has spent RM5 billion to deploy 5G through a RM450 million loan from the government, the remainder from loans from banks, ... collected RM1.165 billion from the 4 celcos as their 14% share subscription stake and charging each celco about RM300 million per year for 5G access (= RM1.5 billion in total).

DNB1 should have an operating expenses of about RM2 billion per year since it is not a normal celco which the latter usually has an op-ex of about RM4 billion per year, eg CelcomDigi has to pay thousands of staff to service it's subscribers.

DNB1 should need another RM2 billion (total deployment costs = RM7 billion) to achieve 99% coverage of all populated areas in Malaysia, including rural areas. At 5% interest rate, it cost DNB1 about RM300 million per year to slowly pay off the RM5.4 billion debt (after minus the celcos' share subscription injection of RM1,165 billion + RM450 million govt stake).

So, DNB1 needs to collect about RM2.3 billion per year from the celcos, in order to be sustainable.

Correct.?
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 29 2024, 02:44 PM

In short, gov setup an empty shell company, in which the empty shell company borrowred billion ringgit of loan from bank using gov as guarantor.

Spent 5B, gov paid 450M, telcos paid 300M.

Now government aaid telcos shall bail this company out entirely and also pay back gov 450M.

This is classic failed gov business looking for bailout …

Look at the way DNB spent their 5B,

1. Office in one of the most expensive place in KL
2. Advertise on most expensive billboard all around KL (they only have 6 telcos as customers)
3. Heard their employees also paid in premium
4. Have events/campaigns everywhere to promote 5G some even overseas

This is a forced bail out. Umobile fortunately doesnt have to be part of this bailout.

If 5 companies paying the bill, each company has to fork out 1B over 10 years meaning 100M per annum from their profit to settle DNB 5B debt.

Biggest winner is Ericason getting 5B out of DNB deal.

This post has been edited by p4n6: Nov 30 2024, 06:46 AM

In the end, MoF win 😂 Forced telco to use DNB and now telco have to payback what DNB used. A no loss investment for MoF. The management of each telco must be 🤬

Why does competitive 4G network pricing for consumer is more expensive than monopoly 5G?



This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Dec 2 2024, 11:30 AM

Competitive coverage come with competitive pricing. 5G all the same, you get the same quality for all, so pricing it low to get customers to use them. 😂 We are just typical consumers. Siapa murah dia dapat duit kita (Majoriti)

This post has been edited by poh880: Dec 2 2024, 11:43 AM